Sweden's top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

"If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be banned, but throughout the crisis Swedes have been able to visit restaurants, go shopping, attend gyms and send children under 16 to school.

The laxer approach to containing the virus has drawn both praise and indignation from across the globe. What is beyond debate, however, is the effect the strategy has had on the country's death toll.

At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's death rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighbouring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the outset of the pandemic.

Now, Tegnell has for the first time admitted publicly that the strategy is resulting in too many deaths.

What's more, there's so far limited evidence that Sweden's decision to leave much of its society open will support the economy. Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7per cent in 2020, roughly as much as the rest of the EU.

The government has started to grow concerned at the apparent missteps taken to fight the spread of the virus in Sweden. On Monday, Lofven promised there'd be an inquiry into the handling of the crisis before the summer.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/man-behind-sweden-s-controversial-coronavirus-strategy-admits-mistakes-20200603-p54z99.html

Interesting.
Those people rejecting the lockdown had pointed at Sweden.
Turns out Sweden still had restrictions, and now has one of the worlds worse death tolls per capita
And are still having an economic crash

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Turns out Sweden still had restrictions, and now has one of the worlds worse death tolls per capita

Yeah. It doesn't hurt if you say it quick. Seventh behind such luminaries as UK, Spain and Italy.


The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:36pm:

Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be banned, but throughout the crisis Swedes have been able to visit restaurants, go shopping, attend gyms and send children under 16 to school.

Yep sure sounds like a lockdown. You do understand the difference between lockdowns and restrictions; don't you?

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:36pm: Gatherings of more than 50 people continue to be banned, but throughout the crisis Swedes have been able to visit restaurants, go shopping, attend gyms and send children under 16 to school. Yep sure sounds like a lockdown. You do understand the difference between lockdowns and restrictions; don't you?

can you point out where I said Sweden had a lockdown?
looks like you have gone off half arsed again lee  ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:56pm:

can you point out where I said Sweden had a lockdown? looks like you have gone off half arsed again lee

I never said that you had said they had a lockdown.


The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Those people rejecting the lockdown had pointed at Sweden.

So you made a comparison of a lockdown to Swedish restrictions. But critical thinking isn't your longsuit. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:56pm: can you point out where I said Sweden had a lockdown? looks like you have gone off half arsed again lee I never said that you had said they had a lockdown. The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:39pm: Those people rejecting the lockdown had pointed at Sweden. So you made a comparison of a lockdown to Swedish restrictions. But critical thinking isn't your longsuit. ;)

You really aren't very smart are you lee.

I thought you only trolled people on the environmental threads. Clearly not  ;D

Starting with 'feminism', Sweden has got a lot of things wrong....

I feel sorry for them but they made soft decisions.

They did not take hard decisive actions to protect themselves.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 6:09pm:

I thought you only trolled people on the environmental threads. Clearly not

poor petal. Debunking something you write is not trolling. Never mind petal. ;)

Sweden have not got it wrong

sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland

but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus

Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited

Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain

Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist
And for the moment we have suffered very little pain

that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with

It is a basic business principal

When confronted with a threat
It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion
Threats that are not confronted tend to grow

Our leadership has been willfully blind
The population have been willfully cowardly

Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time

My prediction is there society will be far safer
Far richer
And far more free from emotional distress

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 6:38am:

Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress

dear Aqua,
many months ago no one knew enough about this virus.
A good analogy is driving your car through
an intersection where there is water flowing like a river.
You don't know how deep that water is -
will your car be overwhelmed? -
will you end up rolling over and being drowned?
If you don't know you don't drive through it.

You're saying that you'd just head on into those flowing waters and hope for the best?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 6:38am:

Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress

Actually I thought what Sweden did was the exact opposite of confronting the problem.

I thought it took the Beta Male stance not to rock the boat & upset it's people.

You know a real lefty attitude for what is a real lefty country.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 7:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress dear Aqua, many months ago no one knew enough about this virus. A good analogy is driving your car through an intersection where there is water flowing like a river. You don't know how deep that water is - will your car be overwhelmed? - will you end up rolling over and being drowned? If you don't know you don't drive through it. You're saying that you'd just head on into those flowing waters and hope for the best?

Not a bad analogy Bobby
But we have now surveyed the depth of the water
And found it to be 2 inches

The premier of Queensland still considers this
Far too risky for us to venture forward ;D ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 8:24am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress Actually I thought what Sweden did was the exact opposite of confronting the problem. I thought it took the Beta Male stance not to rock the boat & upset it's people. You know a real lefty attitude for what is a real lefty country.

That's not how I see it

When I see state premiers
Crying crocodile tears over the catastrophic death of a 95 year old dementia patient
I am aware that we are in the realm
Of the overly compassionate
Emotionally unmastered
Virtue masking uselessness
Unable to move forward with a spirit of adventure
Safe space loving
Fragile
Helicopter parenting
Lefty intellectual nanny state

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 7:55am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress dear Aqua, many months ago no one knew enough about this virus. A good analogy is driving your car through an intersection where there is water flowing like a river. You don't know how deep that water is - will your car be overwhelmed? - will you end up rolling over and being drowned? If you don't know you don't drive through it. You're saying that you'd just head on into those flowing waters and hope for the best? Not a bad analogy Bobby But we have now surveyed the depth of the water And found it to be 2 inches The premier of Queensland still considers this Far too risky for us to venture forward ;D ;D ;D

But we still don't know enough.
I heard last night - ABC news - that 1 in 6 people -
including old people -
can get the virus, carry the virus and
can infect others
without showing any symptoms themselves.

This is the start of the pandemic - not the end.
We're now in Winter so I expect a 2nd wave.

Bobby just think about that for a second

Throughout the world literally hundreds of millions of people who can carry this around without knowing they have it

That means that eventually you're probably going to be exposed to it

Now the politicians place a great deal of faith in science to come up with a perfect vaccine
Highly improbable

After 100 years of flu vaccines
We still have a vaccine that is usually only about 50% effective
and we still have outbreaks of the flu every year


So with covid being 4 times is contagious
And heaps of people walking around with it

Most people are going to have to confront it at some stage
Like I say Bobby treat it like a letter from the tax office

Trying to avoid it and pretend it isn't going to affect you down the track
Is a non useful strategy

Bobby just think about that for a second

Throughout the world literally hundreds of millions of people who can carry this around without knowing they have it

That means that eventually you're probably going to be exposed to it

Now the politicians place a great deal of faith in science to come up with a perfect vaccine
Highly improbable

After 100 years of flu vaccines
We still have a vaccine that is usually only about 50% effective
and we still have outbreaks of the flu every year


So with covid being 4 times is contagious
And heaps of people walking around with it

Most people are going to have to confront it at some stage
Like I say Bobby treat it like a letter from the tax office

Trying to avoid it and pretend it isn't going to affect you down the track
Is a non useful strategy

Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 9:21am:

Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice

My point stands -
we still don't know enough about it yet.
It's too early for armchair medical generals
to give their advice.

forgiven
namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:16am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste

your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 9:21am:

Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice

More likely a reflection of your self-importance.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 9:21am:

Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice

or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D

Took him 33 minutes to hit it the second time. ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken.

But Aqua has a falsely elevated sense of
his own important advice.

He's not qualified to give any medical advice.

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D

Christ
An intelligent post

cods wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out  :(that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken.

Good grief
Another intelligent post in the same thread

Carl D wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:32am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D Took him 33 minutes to hit it the second time. ;D ;D

it was sitting on my phone which I accidentally looked at after another half hour and tapped

A Huwaei phone as well

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:21am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken. But Aqua has a falsely elevated sense of his own important advice. He's not qualified to give any medical advice.

And the medical people are qualified to give economic advice

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:32am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D Christ An intelligent post

Who told you? Come on, we all know you're incapable of recognising an intelligent post so someone must have helped you. Who was it?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:36am: cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:21am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken. But Aqua has a falsely elevated sense of his own important advice. He's not qualified to give any medical advice. And the medical people are qualified to give economic advice

I haven't seen any medic give economic advise

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:21am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken. But Aqua has a falsely elevated sense of his own important advice. He's not qualified to give any medical advice.

Yet you hang off gates' every word.  ;D
Actually....the whole world does.... :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:39am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:36am: cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:21am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice My point stands - we still don't know enough about it yet. It's too early for armchair medical generals to give their advice. forgiven namaste your wasting your time bobby   aqua is telling you to be BWave dear boy...there is no hope so stop expecting it.....just stick out that noble chin like he does... and thumb your nose at this virus which will go away all of its own accord..... :) :).. he who knows everything has spoken. But Aqua has a falsely elevated sense of his own important advice. He's not qualified to give any medical advice. And the medical people are qualified to give economic advice I haven't seen any medic give economic advise

The politicians should be flanked by the chief health officer who should deliver advice
And economic experts who should deliver advice
And then the politician should try to find common ground
The idea that a politician would say we shall be following medical advice
Is butt half of the story

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 11:07am:

The politicians should be flanked by the chief health officer who should deliver advice And economic experts who should deliver advice And then the politician should try to find common ground The idea that a politician would say we shall be following medical advice Is butt half of the story

no politician worth his salt would ever stand in front of a camera and put economic advice ahead of health advice. Not if they ever wanted to get re-elected.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 11:07am:

The politicians should be flanked by the chief health officer who should deliver advice And economic experts who should deliver advice And then the politician should try to find common ground The idea that a politician would say we shall be following medical advice Is butt half of the story

dear Aqua,
are you saying that you have qualifications as a economist?
From what basis and authority are you giving any advice?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Interesting. Those people rejecting the lockdown had pointed at Sweden. Turns out Sweden still had restrictions, and now has one of the worlds worse death tolls per capita And are still having an economic crash

Does Sweden have a large immigrant population from the Middle East and Africa? Perhaps the immigrants are not accustomed to dealing with viruses that the Europeans have a stronger immune system to fight.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:39pm: Interesting. Those people rejecting the lockdown had pointed at Sweden. Turns out Sweden still had restrictions, and now has one of the worlds worse death tolls per capita And are still having an economic crash Does Sweden have a large immigrant population from the Middle East and Africa? Perhaps the immigrants are not accustomed to dealing with viruses that the Europeans have a stronger immune system to fight.

Large enough to cause considerable trouble well prior to COV19.

You can't say that. ;D

The Americans had found that the black Americans had much higher rates of covid19 than the general population. That was due to the propensity of black Americans to work in service industries with interactions with the general public.

Sweden has a large immigrant population that cluster in cities. In addition to living together in urban areas, I doubt that they have had the same exposure to the diseases native Europeans have had.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 9:21am:

Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice

Brilliant thinking, as usual from AquaScoot.

Really, what I am used to seeing from him

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 10:39am:

Carl D wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:36am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:32am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D Took him 33 minutes to hit it the second time. ;D ;D it was sitting on my phone which I accidentally looked at after another half hour and tapped A Huwaei phone as well

National security issue...........


https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/71/animated-aeroplane-image-0051.gif- - -<- - -< BREAKING NEWS ON FAKENEWS INC - Australian company gains contract to install and service all Chinese internet and telephone operations - - - - AusGov assures the Chinese government there are no booby-traps or trap-doors in the software - - - China says it is relieved by this assurance and is happy to go forward with the arrangement, in conjunction with the United States company - Communication Infrastructure Associates (CIA Inc) - which will provide the hardware- - -<< - - -<<- - - - -<<<<<<<<<< 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 6^th, 2020 at 1:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:39am: Carl D wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:36am: John Smith wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 10:32am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 9:21am: Such awesome advice the universe saw fit to post it twice or some idiot hit the post icon twice :D :D Took him 33 minutes to hit it the second time. ;D ;D it was sitting on my phone which I accidentally looked at after another half hour and tapped A Huwaei phone as well National security issue........... https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/71/animated-aeroplane-image-0051.gif- - -<- - -< BREAKING NEWS ON FAKENEWS INC - Australian company gains contract to install and service all Chinese internet and telephone operations - - - - AusGov assures the Chinese government there are no booby-traps or trap-doors in the software - - - China says it is relieved by this assurance and is happy to go forward with the arrangement, in conjunction with the United States company - Communication Infrastructure Associates (CIA Inc) - which will provide the hardware- - -<< - - -<<- - - - -<<<<<<<<<<

;D

Sweden is one of the few countries with a left-of-centre leader and government that has mismanaged the epidemic. Most of the countries with a high death toll have right-wing leaders: UK, USA, Brazil ...

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 6:38am:

Sweden have not got it wrong

They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it.

They were brave to try, but it failed.

Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions...

lets not be melodramatic.

rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive.

naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive.

a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 5:09pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive

let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 5:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos...

you know its times like this I would not be surprised if aqua got a huge dose of covids   I believe in Karma   

sooner or later he is going to come up against something he cant control    a few thousand elderly who were going to die anyway....

why would you bother dealing with someone with a mentality like that???.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos... you know its times like this I would not be surprised if aqua got a huge dose of covids   I believe in Karma    sooner or later he is going to come up against something he cant control    a few thousand elderly who were going to die anyway.... why would you bother dealing with someone with a mentality like that???.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Aqua may have painted himself into a psychological corner.

I know many elderly people, they really like living.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 5:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos...

but you and gweg compared deaths under trump to the number of deaths in the vietnam war , pointed out how covid killed more.

lets not try to minimise deaths in vietnam to covid to protect our fragile egos

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 6:46pm:

cods wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 6:02pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos... you know its times like this I would not be surprised if aqua got a huge dose of covids   I believe in Karma    sooner or later he is going to come up against something he cant control    a few thousand elderly who were going to die anyway.... why would you bother dealing with someone with a mentality like that???.. >:( >:( >:( >:( Aqua may have painted himself into a psychological corner. I know many elderly people, they really like living.

i like human florishing.

that ALWAYS involves taking on a challenge head on and it never involves trying to construct a "safe space"

cods wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos... you know its times like this I would not be surprised if aqua got a huge dose of covids   I believe in Karma    sooner or later he is going to come up against something he cant control    a few thousand elderly who were going to die anyway.... why would you bother dealing with someone with a mentality like that???.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

not a problem.

1 in 2 men will, if they live long enough, develop a life threatening cancer which will require a massive dose of toughness to overcome.

covid will seem like the sniffles in comparison to what awaits 1 in 2 men.

it will be a good boost to your core confidence to fight it off.

or can we all remain safe and cared for til we are 150  ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2020 at 6:52pm:

cods wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 6:02pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 5:09pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 4:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong They got it wrong.  They're looking at the same economic ruin as their neighbours with a massive death toll to go along with it. They were brave to try, but it failed. Stop making excused to protect your fragin opinions... lets not be melodramatic. rwanda with a million dead in a week from machetes was massive. naples 1462 with 70 % dead from the plague is massive. a few thousand elderly unwell people who got this instead of some other virus in 6 months is not massive let's not try to minimise it by comparing it to genocides to protects our fragile egos... you know its times like this I would not be surprised if aqua got a huge dose of covids   I believe in Karma    sooner or later he is going to come up against something he cant control    a few thousand elderly who were going to die anyway.... why would you bother dealing with someone with a mentality like that???.. >:( >:( >:( >:( not a problem. 1 in 2 men will, if they live long enough, develop a life threatening cancer which will require a massive dose of toughness to overcome. covid will seem like the sniffles in comparison to what awaits 1 in 2 men. it will be a good boost to your core confidence to fight it off. or can we all remain safe and cared for til we are 150  ::) ::) ::)

Do eight stents, leukemia in waiting, cured bowel cancer and a host of other things help my status here?

T'other day I walked the small dog to the end of the breakwater - and wanted to climb the rocks to view the ocean first hand and maybe spot the dolphins - the small dog looked worried at the big rocks, so I picked her up, climbed the rocks like a gazelle, and we both looked at the ocean... how many 70 yos do that?   8-)

Surviving cancer can be a life-changing event grappler
And a life-changing event for the better

The overly compassionate modern feminine world
Tries to create endless safe spaces

The feminine is very sensitive to negative emotion
Another way of saying that is that women get upset a lot more easily
And so women try to protect themselves and those they love from exposing themselves to risk for fear that misadventure will occur
And this would then cause distress

But life is continually throwing things at you
You understand this if you live in the bush
Nature is continually trying to kill you
As are stock
As is farm machinery
Floods bushfires snakes drought

Nature is always trying to demolish you
Coronavirus is simply one in a very very long line of things trying to take you out

So there is no such thing as a safe space
This is what we need to get through to the all nurturing breastfeeding
Anastasia palashay and her chief health officer
You cannot keep nature at bay forever

It's the first story of the Bible for god's sake
Man tries to construct the perfect garden
A garden being a place when nature is brought to order
But it is impossible to keep the snakes out

And it is through confronting nature
That we learn that we are the sorts of creature
That can prevail

This is the only way forward to legitimate self-esteem

if you have battled coronary artery disease as you have
If you have faced off against cancer as you have
These things elevate you

The more things you can face-off against
Prevail against
The more you become

The more you try to shelter in your house
Hiding from a little piece of viral RNA
The less you become

All cancer survivors say this
Beating it was one of the most meaningful things in their life
It often defines them
It certainly makes them more likely to kneel before the refrigerator
And feel a deep sense of gratitude

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 6:34am:

The overly compassionate modern feminine world Tries to create endless safe spaces

And that's the crux of your issues.

If you can't equate an action to something you can deem strong and aligning with the Alpha mentality you so desperately cling to in order feel like you have some sort of power in your personal life, it's therefore weak, feminine and wrong.

Every time this happens you try to mask what I think boils down to you celebrating anti-intellectualism into some age-old psychological truth to justify your point of view when in reality it's just window dressing on the standard manosphere logic out there to help men continue to blame others for all their problems and failures in life and love rather than taking responsibility and bettering themselves, even though you claim at the time they should do that, but can't because of the evil matriarchy holding young men back, oppressing them and making them feminine.

I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::)

I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage.

Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)?
Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)?

So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat.

Jasin wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 8:56am:

I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::) I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage. Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)? Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)? So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat.

Yes but then you have the incel and Trump supporter crossover where everything Trump does is Alpha.

So a Family Male, 5 kids and a decent respectable job is a cucked beta because Trump, the forever Alpha, was raw dogging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Any anyone who thinks there should be any sort of equality, be it with races, religions or sexes, they're cucked.

Basically, if you support anything that doesn't put white males first, you're cucked and weak.

And Trump, everything he does is a show of strength, and because he's strong, he's smart.  The louder his voice, the more CAPS HE USES IN A TWEET, the more intelligent he must be.

Alphas:
Celibate Achiever = White Male
Family Man = Red Male
Romantic = Green Male
Business = Brown Male

Betas:
Poofs = Grey Males.
Wankers = Black Males
Yobbos = Blue Males
Rednecks = Yellow Males.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 6:34am: The overly compassionate modern feminine world Tries to create endless safe spaces And that's the crux of your issues. If you can't equate an action to something you can deem strong and aligning with the Alpha mentality you so desperately cling to in order feel like you have some sort of power in your personal life, it's therefore weak, feminine and wrong. Every time this happens you try to mask what I think boils down to you celebrating anti-intellectualism into some age-old psychological truth to justify your point of view when in reality it's just window dressing on the standard manosphere logic out there to help men continue to blame others for all their problems and failures in life and love rather than taking responsibility and bettering themselves, even though you claim at the time they should do that, but can't because of the evil matriarchy holding young men back, oppressing them and making them feminine.

Skippy

We are embarking on a radical experiment
The judgemental father
Which has probably been the overarching dominant structure of society for thousands of generations
Has been replaced by the ever nurturing mother

They both had their place

I don't have a problem with compassion for the frail and injured
I don't have a problem with compassion for infants and for the very elderly

The problem is that the compassion Olympics is just completely unhelpful
Our modern political social and intellectual leaders
Have come to see stunts such as
Lighting up the opera house in rainbow colours
Or announcing royal commissions into aboriginal deaths in custody
As somehow being productive of good outcomes
When in fact the beneficiary is usually the reputation
Of the person competing in the virtue signalling Olympics

It sounds mean of me to say
That was going to help African Americans for instance
In the United States
It's not another protest march
It's not another politician signallingthe inherent racism of the United States
It's not more diversity training for police officers

It is for the judgemental father
To grab young black men by the Scruff of the neck
And say that it is no longer acceptable
To father children and then abandon the mother's
As occurs in 60% of African American households
You need to have a more noble picture of what being a father is
You need to give up the gang's and the drugs and the victim mentality
And stay home and read to your children
And be a good role model
And work way diligently in your job
A lift a load
And bounce out of bed in the morning
Supercharged with the ambition
That you are going to make the world a better place

We need to tell people the narrow road to success
Involves all of those things
And it involves nothing to do with blame
Resentment bitterness violence anger looting
An emotional un calibration

The all nurturing feminine cannot deliver that message
that message has to come from the judgemental father
Who tells the young man I expect so much more of you


I don't know what you're talking about with all this in cell nonsense
Not my cup of tea
I just want to see people moving up in the world
And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage

Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now...

"And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true...

But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went.

I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned....

Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 1:00pm:

Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now... "And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true... But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went. I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned.... Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone.

Lol...  The womens are coming for us.  Who would have thought incels had such a long history, 38 years...  I guess there have always been weak men, it's only their congregation under the banner that's new.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:00pm: Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now... "And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true... But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went. I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned.... Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone. Lol...  The womens are coming for us.  Who would have thought incels had such a long history, 38 years...  I guess there have always been weak men, it's only their congregation under the banner that's new.

180 degrees wrong.

women are suffering record anxiety depression and breakdown because men (circa 2020) are weak , timid, virtuous, tame, overgrown children who offer no strength that women desperately need to lean on.

i understand why weak men love to be a chode and sit on the couch and do nothing, risk nothing and contribute nothing.

standing up straight and assuming the burden of leadership doesnt come from a lust for power.
it comes from a sense of duty and a sense of selflessness

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 3:03pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:25pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:00pm: Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now... "And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true... But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went. I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned.... Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone. Lol...  The womens are coming for us.  Who would have thought incels had such a long history, 38 years...  I guess there have always been weak men, it's only their congregation under the banner that's new. 180 degrees wrong. women are suffering record anxiety depression and breakdown because men (circa 2020) are weak , timid, virtuous, tame, overgrown children who offer no strength that women desperately need to lean on. i understand why weak men love to be a chode and sit on the couch and do nothing, risk nothing and contribute nothing. standing up straight and assuming the burden of leadership doesnt come from a lust for power. it comes from a sense of duty and a sense of selflessness

I point the finger of blame squarely at 'feminism' which includes the mangina running dogs who support it without thought.... nothing 180 deg wrong about that.... you are discussing the consequences of their own actions in most cases - I was discussing the actions themselves.

Under the feminist flag - any silly sheila can just figure she's sick of the husband, and KNOW that she will come out well while he is bust and cast on the scrap-heap.  Some of them even do it maliciously so as to 'get back' at him over often imagined petty grievances... when you are an emotion-based being flitting from feeling to feeling on a momentary basis and having that Absolute Right to use that as Power handed to you by legal chicaneries, that is inevitable.

The aim of 'feminism', designed and built as it was by the patriarchy itself, was to reduce under despotism MEN in the West, for the simple reason that men are most likely to laugh at some Beta twit ordering them about and most likely to reject despotism.  'feminism' was a very cunning move by the Betas to smash the genuine Alphas, who in reality, rather being used car salesmen types who draw the chicks with bullshit, are the real providers and nurturers in many ways.

It's called Leadership... not despotism.....

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:24am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress Actually I thought what Sweden did was the exact opposite of confronting the problem. I thought it took the Beta Male stance not to rock the boat & upset it's people. You know a real lefty attitude for what is a real lefty country. That's not how I see it When I see state premiers Crying crocodile tears over the catastrophic death of a 95 year old dementia patient I am aware that we are in the realm Of the overly compassionate Emotionally unmastered Virtue masking uselessness Unable to move forward with a spirit of adventure Safe space loving Fragile Helicopter parenting Lefty intellectual nanny state

Looking after the old and sick. Oh, what have we become?

Karnal wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 5:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:24am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 6:38am: Sweden have not got it wrong sure they're death rate for the months of march and April are higher than a place like Queensland but what makes you think that isn't just the Queensland has delayed the inevitable inevitable inevitable inevitable appearance of the virus Sweden and Australia were both sent equivalent of a notification from the tax department they were about to be audited Sweden has confronted this letter and has suffered some pain Australia has chosen to throw it in the bottom drawer and pretend it doesn't exist And for the moment we have suffered very little pain that doesn't mean the letter isn't still there needing to be dealt with It is a basic business principal When confronted with a threat It is always best to stand up straight and take on that threat in a timely fashion Threats that are not confronted tend to grow Our leadership has been willfully blind The population have been willfully cowardly Let's just see how Sweden and Australia are doing in 2 years' time My prediction is there society will be far safer Far richer And far more free from emotional distress Actually I thought what Sweden did was the exact opposite of confronting the problem. I thought it took the Beta Male stance not to rock the boat & upset it's people. You know a real lefty attitude for what is a real lefty country. That's not how I see it When I see state premiers Crying crocodile tears over the catastrophic death of a 95 year old dementia patient I am aware that we are in the realm Of the overly compassionate Emotionally unmastered Virtue masking uselessness Unable to move forward with a spirit of adventure Safe space loving Fragile Helicopter parenting Lefty intellectual nanny state Looking after the old and sick. Oh, what have we become?

nothing wrong with looking after the old and sick

these guys dont look old and sick to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR9Ox_teC_Y

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 4:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 3:03pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:25pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:00pm: Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now... "And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true... But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went. I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned.... Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone. Lol...  The womens are coming for us.  Who would have thought incels had such a long history, 38 years...  I guess there have always been weak men, it's only their congregation under the banner that's new. 180 degrees wrong. women are suffering record anxiety depression and breakdown because men (circa 2020) are weak , timid, virtuous, tame, overgrown children who offer no strength that women desperately need to lean on. i understand why weak men love to be a chode and sit on the couch and do nothing, risk nothing and contribute nothing. standing up straight and assuming the burden of leadership doesnt come from a lust for power. it comes from a sense of duty and a sense of selflessness I point the finger of blame squarely at 'feminism' which includes the mangina running dogs who support it without thought.... nothing 180 deg wrong about that.... you are discussing the consequences of their own actions in most cases - I was discussing the actions themselves. Under the feminist flag - any silly sheila can just figure she's sick of the husband, and KNOW that she will come out well while he is bust and cast on the scrap-heap.  Some of them even do it maliciously so as to 'get back' at him over often imagined petty grievances... when you are an emotion-based being flitting from feeling to feeling on a momentary basis and having that Absolute Right to use that as Power handed to you by legal chicaneries, that is inevitable. The aim of 'feminism', designed and built as it was by the patriarchy itself, was to reduce under despotism MEN in the West, for the simple reason that men are most likely to laugh at some Beta twit ordering them about and most likely to reject despotism.  'feminism' was a very cunning move by the Betas to smash the genuine Alphas, who in reality, rather being used car salesmen types who draw the chicks with bullshit, are the real providers and nurturers in many ways. It's called Leadership... not despotism.....

So, women can only be fulfilled to the point of avoiding depression if they are being dominated by a man?

Go on...

https://i.imgur.com/2qsTY.gif

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 9:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 8:56am: I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::) I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage. Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)? Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)? So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat. Yes but then you have the incel and Trump supporter crossover where everything Trump does is Alpha. So a Family Male, 5 kids and a decent respectable job is a cucked beta because Trump, the forever Alpha, was raw dogging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child. Any anyone who thinks there should be any sort of equality, be it with races, religions or sexes, they're cucked. Basically, if you support anything that doesn't put white males first, you're cucked and weak. And Trump, everything he does is a show of strength, and because he's strong, he's smart.  The louder his voice, the more CAPS HE USES IN A TWEET, the more intelligent he must be.

And how many asian brown skinned races are run by a patriarchy & put male sons first in everything?

Enough of the white male bashing.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 7:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 4:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 3:03pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 2:25pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 1:00pm: Sweden's been getting things wrong for years now... "And the overly compassionate female influence is absolutely demolishing the upward trajectory of young men especially young men of disadvantage " .. how true... But let us never lose track of the reality that, even including this 'nurturing nature' - women are probably much more selfish and self-centred than men are, and are thus not generally suited to leadership.  Quite frankly, women cause more harm when 'in control' than men do - look at our current society and culture in the West.  By demolishing the basic adventuring nature of boys, they are creating a social group that is either whiners or troublemakers - rebels without a cause when their 'cause' should be channeled into that outer layer nurturing that men are so good at and from which they can be excluded at the drop of a whim by - you guessed it - the 'woman' they loved.  Then there is the spectre of this never-ending 'need' to 'equalise' girls/women by giving them artificial props to 'succeed' in every way in our society/culture - I warn you that the long term harm of EXCLUDING men/boys will be tremendous, and one of the least desirable outcomes is the way silly young girls adopt the mantle of the rampant slut and adhere to the 'bad boy' - same as always, only nowadays they never grow up but remain remain stuck in that contradiction, often sticking with serial 'bad boys' for life and wondering where their life went. I've been watching such a scenario unfold for a while now..... and thus far it has been an enormously costly exercise to the woman concerned.... Anyway - like Churchill in 'Darkest Hours', I've been warning you all about the feminist monster for thirty-eight years now - I'm hardly likely to applaud it as it marches up Whitehall.. and I certainly will not be negotiating a 'peace' with it on its terms.... if I stand alone - I stand alone. Lol...  The womens are coming for us.  Who would have thought incels had such a long history, 38 years...  I guess there have always been weak men, it's only their congregation under the banner that's new. 180 degrees wrong. women are suffering record anxiety depression and breakdown because men (circa 2020) are weak , timid, virtuous, tame, overgrown children who offer no strength that women desperately need to lean on. i understand why weak men love to be a chode and sit on the couch and do nothing, risk nothing and contribute nothing. standing up straight and assuming the burden of leadership doesnt come from a lust for power. it comes from a sense of duty and a sense of selflessness I point the finger of blame squarely at 'feminism' which includes the mangina running dogs who support it without thought.... nothing 180 deg wrong about that.... you are discussing the consequences of their own actions in most cases - I was discussing the actions themselves. Under the feminist flag - any silly sheila can just figure she's sick of the husband, and KNOW that she will come out well while he is bust and cast on the scrap-heap.  Some of them even do it maliciously so as to 'get back' at him over often imagined petty grievances... when you are an emotion-based being flitting from feeling to feeling on a momentary basis and having that Absolute Right to use that as Power handed to you by legal chicaneries, that is inevitable. The aim of 'feminism', designed and built as it was by the patriarchy itself, was to reduce under despotism MEN in the West, for the simple reason that men are most likely to laugh at some Beta twit ordering them about and most likely to reject despotism.  'feminism' was a very cunning move by the Betas to smash the genuine Alphas, who in reality, rather being used car salesmen types who draw the chicks with bullshit, are the real providers and nurturers in many ways. It's called Leadership... not despotism..... So, women can only be fulfilled to the point of avoiding depression if they are being dominated by a man? Go on... https://i.imgur.com/2qsTY.gif

Not only but it is definitely part of the dynamic

The fastest selling book of 2012
Literally women falling over themselves to buy it and read it
What's 50 shades of grey

Story about s and m domination

Also psychologically how can we understand the friendship between
Feminism and radical Islam

Women are treated like posessions in Saudi Arabia
There are no princesses holding authority in the royal family
They had to fight tooth and nail just to be allowed to get a learner's permit to drive

And yet radical left intellectual feminine
Is a massive supporter of radical Islam

Could it be that the very hirsute dominant aggressive
Image of radical Islam
Is attractive to the subconscious mind
Of the lefty intellectual feminine
Who are surrounded by pandering timid and submissive girly men
I would imagine that a virtue signalling left the intellectual
Would be very unattractive to a woman who fantasizes about fifty shades of grey

Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 7:40am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 9:20am: Jasin wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 8:56am: I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::) I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage. Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)? Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)? So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat. Yes but then you have the incel and Trump supporter crossover where everything Trump does is Alpha. So a Family Male, 5 kids and a decent respectable job is a cucked beta because Trump, the forever Alpha, was raw dogging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child. Any anyone who thinks there should be any sort of equality, be it with races, religions or sexes, they're cucked. Basically, if you support anything that doesn't put white males first, you're cucked and weak. And Trump, everything he does is a show of strength, and because he's strong, he's smart.  The louder his voice, the more CAPS HE USES IN A TWEET, the more intelligent he must be. And how many asian brown skinned races are run by a patriarchy & put male sons first in everything? Enough of the white male bashing.

Did you even read what I posted?

In Trump world, if you support anything that isn't pro white you're thought of as cucked.  That's not white male bashing, that's just telling it how it is.

If you're so triggered and don't like the truth go find a safe space.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 8:34am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 7:40am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 9:20am: Jasin wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 8:56am: I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::) I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage. Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)? Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)? So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat. Yes but then you have the incel and Trump supporter crossover where everything Trump does is Alpha. So a Family Male, 5 kids and a decent respectable job is a cucked beta because Trump, the forever Alpha, was raw dogging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child. Any anyone who thinks there should be any sort of equality, be it with races, religions or sexes, they're cucked. Basically, if you support anything that doesn't put white males first, you're cucked and weak. And Trump, everything he does is a show of strength, and because he's strong, he's smart.  The louder his voice, the more CAPS HE USES IN A TWEET, the more intelligent he must be. And how many asian brown skinned races are run by a patriarchy & put male sons first in everything? Enough of the white male bashing. Did you even read what I posted? In Trump world, if you support anything that isn't pro white you're thought of as cucked.  That's not white male bashing, that's just telling it how it is. If you're so triggered and don't like the truth go find a safe space.

F*#k Trump & f*#k you

You're as bad as Peccar with your Trump obsession.

I read what you wrote & I stand by my call.

I don't need a safe space from virtue signalling SJWs.

Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves.

Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 8:47am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 8:34am: Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 7:40am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 9:20am: Jasin wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 8:56am: I would consider a Celibate Male (no kids, a dedication to the 'people' or society, etc) Alpha compared to the Beta 'Gay' version who thinks that not having sex with women, means you have to have sex with males.  ::) I would consider a Family Male (five kids and a decent respectable job that just provides) an Alpha compared to the Beta 'Redneck' who has more kids than he can afford and has to compromise his way of life to crime and violence to afford his passage. Should I go into Romantics (Alpha) v the Wankers (Beta)? Or the Business Man (Alpha) v the Yobbo (Beta)? So you can see, there is more than one way an Alpha can skin a Beta cat. Yes but then you have the incel and Trump supporter crossover where everything Trump does is Alpha. So a Family Male, 5 kids and a decent respectable job is a cucked beta because Trump, the forever Alpha, was raw dogging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child. Any anyone who thinks there should be any sort of equality, be it with races, religions or sexes, they're cucked. Basically, if you support anything that doesn't put white males first, you're cucked and weak. And Trump, everything he does is a show of strength, and because he's strong, he's smart.  The louder his voice, the more CAPS HE USES IN A TWEET, the more intelligent he must be. And how many asian brown skinned races are run by a patriarchy & put male sons first in everything? Enough of the white male bashing. Did you even read what I posted? In Trump world, if you support anything that isn't pro white you're thought of as cucked.  That's not white male bashing, that's just telling it how it is. If you're so triggered and don't like the truth go find a safe space. F*#k Trump & f*#k you You're as bad as Peccar with your Trump obsession. I read what you wrote & I stand by my call. I don't need a safe space from virtue signalling SJWs.

Just spend some time online and you'll see what I've said is true.  Just search for the word "cuck" in replies to Trump's tweets. 

Anyone who calls out something Trump has said as untrue, or racially charged, it whatever it is, his supporters will defend him.

When it comes to COVID-19, this happens alot.

No need to get emotional, but it is what it is.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 9:14am:

Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves.

Feel threatened?  ;D

Since when does white male bashing "empower" women?  ::)

Oh that's right certain females & softcorks like yourself thinks that's the only way.

Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:14am: Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves. Feel threatened?  ;D Since when does white male bashing "empower" women?  ::) Oh that's right certain females & softcorks like yourself thinks that's the only way.

It's called being a " white knight"

The chode man panders to the angry feminist by trash talking other men.
He is hoping she will take him home and give him a mercy Fck

This unfortunately , usually ends awkwardly

Gnads wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:14am: Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves. Feel threatened?  ;D Since when does white male bashing "empower" women?  ::)

It doesn't, but the fact that you see their empowerment as bashing white males shows that you are threatened.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 9:14am:

Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves.

Women and manginas who feel threatened by equally empowering men in all spheres of life are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves.... but, as explained to you down south of this post -- that was always the game plan - cut the balls off Alpha provider/protector men and hand it to the Betas and the females who don't begin to understand the game but are sucked along in the wake of endless bribes ......

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 2:33pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 1:44pm: Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:14am: Men who feel threatened by empowering women are akin to the Taliban and are weak themselves. Feel threatened?  ;D Since when does white male bashing "empower" women?  ::) It doesn't, but the fact that you see their empowerment as bashing white males shows that you are threatened.

There's a world of difference between equality/empowerment and attacking one social group to establish your own personal hegemony and place that group under despotism.

Keep attending class, Grasshopper.

In Sweden where equality barriers are lifted for women they tend to gravitate towards traditionally female roles.

The mantra we should all go by is equality in opportunity not outcome.

Gordon wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 6:55pm:

In Sweden where equality barriers are lifted for women they tend to gravitate towards traditionally female roles. The mantra we should all go by is equality in opportunity not outcome.

At least we agree on that.