Post by Marla on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:43am
The Mosque down the street is preaching social justice. Discussing BLM. Really supportive. Nice.
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Title: the left Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 10th, 2020 at 6:55pm Quote:
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:44pm
hardly surprising sprint.
the history of marxist movements is littered with corpses. 60 million in soviet russia 80 million in maos china 2 million in pol pots killing field. the lefty has no appreciation for what modern western society has provided for him. he is the best fed, most protected , best cared for human to ever walk the earth and he has zero gratitude. in fact he has a murderous seething resentment of those who have achieved anything in life (cops included). he likes to tell himself a "story' that he is standing up for the oppressed (george floyd is the current "story") but its not about that at all. its about hatred for the system. its about the nihilistic desire to "tear it all down". its fascinating that this is also the motivation of the hard core trump supporters. hatred of the coastal elites and a lust to see liberal tears. they are 2 groups in perfect sync dancing with eash other. and heres the rub. nihilism and meaninglessness make you feel terrible but anger and violence make you feel much better. you get a hit of dopamine from feeling aggressive. its why people love contact sports and the sting of battle. they feel it as "legitimate " rage and it is addictive as all hits to the brains dopamine pleasure centres are addictive. so no one, antifa or trumps supporters want to stop the rage , because they prefer the hit of dopamin to the depression of having nothing meaningful and they wont really examine what they are doing. they will just rationalise the behaviour because humans always act and do what they enjoy and then back rationalise. you pull up a looter or someone bashing someone else and he is NOT going to say "i am a violent prick full of rage" he will tell you a story about why HIS rage is justified. george floyd is merely a pawn to justify the rage |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:20pm
I am totally dismayed at the lefty attitude and actions.
In the past 8 months I have personally encountered a few arrogant intolerant aggressive lefty mindsets such as these. All that time, normal people have 'carried on'. I will make an elevated garden bed for the front yard. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:27pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:20pm:
And I too, Sprint. You can thank us for that front lawn of yours. You flew here, no? WE GREW HERE. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by chimera on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:44pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:44pm:
The spiritual dimension of the ASX is being grown with steel fridges in devotional niches. After a blessed sell/buy the congregated dealers are gathered for supplication and benediction by the ice tray. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:59pm chimera wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:44pm:
;D ;D the american system is old and stale. perhaps that why they had such trouble with the viet cong with al queda in iraq. the old stale structures are "wilfully blind" the VC and al queda were unconventional nimble quick to adapt opportunistic likely to flare up anywhere and big old baureacracratic dinosaurs cant deal with them the new high tech companies, social media companies are also unconventional nimble quick to adapt opportunistic likely to flare up anywhere and the old stale mainstream media cant deal with them and corona virus is unconventional nimble quick to adapt opportunistic likely to flare up anywhere its no wonder the old stale systems cant deal with it. wilful blindness ideological possession. these things will do you in. for the overly intellectual bureacracy the answer is to "pay attention". and you, cimera, if you were paying attention" would know that america could very well fracture due to the polarisation that is going on. and if it does and supply chains are broken, then that fridge full of food may be something that you regret not being grateful for. it is the second best universal law (after paretto) you could call it the 'law of use' if you are given something to use and you ignore it and dont notice it and are ungrateful for it then it will be "taken away" now get to your kitchen and fall to your knees and give thanks for the "miracle' that is western society |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:40pm
It is difficult to not get angry watching the unnecessary assaults by the police and co as a result of peaceful protests.
The US right are always standing behind their constitution until they are pissing on it that is. Yes the biggest protection stopping these authoritarian wankers from getting what they deserve is the notion that two wrongs do not make a right. (it makes a dozen of them). |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:40pm:
Thats a lie! The police are using force against rioters not demonstrators! 1 cop in half a million is a thug. That doesn't make them all thugs. The policies of the left is thuggish and fascist. Don't punish all for 1 individuals crimes. Whats next a George Floyd annual day or George Floyd statues in every park? He was a criminal but he shouldn't have died. Get over it! Why does the left lie and politicize everything so much? Anyone? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:01pm Richdude wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
dont forget the other 3 cops who stood by and did not a thing to help George....in fact the one I saw made a point of never looking at him... >:( >:( >:( and remembering the Rodney King bashing once again more than one on one... you have a short memory richdude.....dont forget we dont see all of the assaults they are not all recorded like this one.... you really should be hanging your head in shame the rest of the world is watching this play out and I dont think you have won too many friends to be honest.. and the more we read stuff like this Quote:
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:36pm Richdude wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
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Talking about lies - well - you win. There are that many video's on the internet showing many incidents that show how wrong you are that it is just sad. Plenty of good police but some are evil XXXXX. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:52pm Richdude wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
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You think he isn't dead ? What has it got to do with the left ? Do the right support racism and the right of police officers to murder blacks ? This should have nothing to do with politics. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by mortdooley on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:28am
I see where this is headed, every complaint against a Police Officer results in discipline. Seattle has gone so far the locals will not apply to become Police recruits. They payed for billboards to recruit on the south side of Houston Texas. Seattle is probably canvasing the country to try to fill the Patrol Cars! What happens when no one wants the job? Who patrols the streets, the Nation of Islam? The Left never has enough Power, if they keep their anti freedom behavior it is just a matter of time before we have our own version of the night of the long knives! The question is will they lose patience waiting for us to comply or will we have our fill and end their reign.
What they have done is create an environment where the Police will be afraid to do anything. Call for emergency assistance in the Hood and they will be there in time to write a report before shift change. When the call comes in the safe thing for them to do is choose whether they go to Starbucks or Dunkins. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Marla on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:46am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:20pm:
That's because you're stupid and take face value anything written on a agitation propaganda blog. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Marla on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:54am Mortdooley wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:28am:
I know, right!? It'll be the Moon Nazis riding on raptors killing F A T middle-aged white men for their chocolate bars and raping their even F A T T E R daughters. Mortdooley wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:28am:
Exactly! They (those pinko Commie left tards and their socialist agenda) won't let cops do this to innocent black people anymore https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ Good thing for your your white male entitlement, morty torty so that you never have to bother a cop at a Starbucks if you ever find yourself in the Hood |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 11th, 2020 at 4:47am cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:01pm:
Don't you see how fake this all was? The absolute phoniness of it all. George Floyd was murdered by a police man and he will be punished. All the major TV stations had 4 hours of funeral coverage - 4 hours! The media and assorted scum squeezed every drop and then some from this event. They politicized the death of a man. They exploited this unfortunate event for political reasons. Do you understand? What they did was wrong and if you think otherwise - you are a fool. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 11th, 2020 at 4:55am Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
Thats another lie! I said some are thinking that this was staged - a possibility. RACISM RACISM RACISM! Thats all we here from the left in attempting to keep blacks leaving the Democrat plantation. Until now black votes for Trump is increasing dramatically. Democrats promote division and racism cause thats where there votes are ..... and that is all they have. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 11th, 2020 at 5:41am Richdude wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 4:47am:
what would you expect them to do???>>. brush it under the carpet because its quite normal for your country.. >:( >:( it would appear to be.... you seem to think the media is making it all up. no they are not...its real in fact for black people in AMERIKA it is reality.... we do not know what this man was being charged with......just a suggestion he was passing fake $20 bills...we have 4 cops on the scene two of them have extensive lists of charges against them....lets me ask a question.. how many chances does a cop get to make changes to his ways???...... how many chances did this blackman get when he was hauled from his car?????... we give police a whole lot of power...and excuses.... in the past they have mostly managed to get away with so much....in your country....all I can tell you is.. they wouldnt get away with it in my country thank god.. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 11th, 2020 at 6:06am cods wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 5:41am:
You have a very distorted picture of what happens in America. The reality is very different from your TV news. Black people are no more at risk than whites from police. There is no institutionalized racism in America. Yes 200 years ago but this is not 200 years ago despite what you may think. There is an equality of opportunity edict thats supported by all gov Federal, State and Local that ensures this. Victim-hood so loved and nurtured by the left is a myth! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 11th, 2020 at 6:57am Mortdooley wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:28am:
Exactly correct |
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Title: Re: the left Post by chimera on Jun 11th, 2020 at 7:10am aquascoot wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Who produces the coconut milk and shaved coconut in your fridge? It's a guy with a patch of Indonesian garden that's who. They grew coconuts that way when right wing feudal barons made peasants grow peas next to the castle in England. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 11th, 2020 at 7:42am chimera wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 7:10am:
Criticism should always be about separating the wheat from the chaff Sure the Western capitalist system has made some errors But drought resistant wheat Developed by capitalist corporations in America Has probably saved 500 million people from starvation India is now a net exporter of food That is all thanks to the noble corporation Monsanto New farm Bayer John Deere Hastings deering Rather than mope around in Central park With some ill-defined movement like occupy wall Street It would actually be better for the ungrateful socialists To go on a sabbatical to Kenya Ethiopia or the Punjab And see the smiling faces of well-fed people And then come back to America Head to the corporate office of Monsanto And kneel down and weep tears of joy For all the good they have done in the world |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 11th, 2020 at 8:00am Richdude wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
Waaa waaa waa everything is a lie to you. You see one thing, don't like it even after seeing it with your own eyes, "Thats a lie!". |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 11th, 2020 at 8:04am Richdude wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 6:06am:
You've made some pretty far out claims on these forums but that by far takes the cake. It's time you got the Juliar treatment. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by chimera on Jun 11th, 2020 at 9:41am aquascoot wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 7:42am:
William Farrar worked for Dept Agriculture and bred Australia's wheat varieties. He was no capitalist. "He loved his work … Simple and frugal in his personal habits, he was equally direct and straightforward in his habit of thought, and was incapable of … self-seeking. " |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 11th, 2020 at 9:43am Richdude wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 6:06am:
I dont know about risk or what risks you are talking about... all I am saying is the unfairness of the courts who have found so many black guilty when years later they are found to be innocent.....and have let shocking police action get away with... well murder almost... have you ever seen or heard of a white man being treated like George Floyd or Rodney King?.. seriously have you ever had it been broadcast because I have never seen any whiteman treated like this...... and you do have a lot of BAD whitemen....your serial killers are almost to a one always WHITE.... yet I have never seen one bashed up....Charlie Manson lived to a ripe old age didnt he? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2020 at 9:45am Richdude wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
yeah ... that channel 7 reporter that got knocked on her arse must have been looting and pillaging and the 75 year old man they almost killed ?? :D :D :D you need to stay off the cool aid |
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Title: Re: the left Post by mortdooley on Jun 11th, 2020 at 10:57pm Mortdooley wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:28am:
Seattle Is Falling: Antifa/BLM Take A Precinct AND City Hall, Will Police/Feds Respond? https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2020/06/10/seattle-is-falling-antifa-blm-take-a-precinct-and-city-hall-will-police-feds-respond/ Seattle allows anarchy because they don't want to be called racist. They need massive arrests, not withdrawal. That will only get them more of the same! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:44am cods wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 9:43am:
I'm not excusing his murder Cods. However his death has become a circus - an opportunity to exploit this for political purposes. Thats gross and disgusting. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Marla on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:36am Mortdooley wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 10:57pm:
Desperate to pull crap off of Facecrook now as "news?" Christ, you are a loser, morty totrty |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Marla on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:39am Richdude wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:44am:
;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:54am Marla wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:39am:
You find the truth funny - one mixed up SOB! What Marla has in common with the Dead One is that they both say whats opposite to the truth. A lie is truth and truth is a lie. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:43am Richdude wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:44am:
its never any different in your country....dont be shocked by this its now an opportunists paradise.... only its being played out for the world to see every day....... now the opportunists are calling for the demise of icons that have been around for years in some cases centuries with no one being offended.......now have to be destroyed at all costs..... how it will ever change history I have no idea.. but why miss an opportunity like this... >:( |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 7:46am Richdude wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:54am:
Rich Don't get sucked into arguing with mala Molar is a 60-year-old leftist male posing as a young female Molar is probably very bitter that he has achieved very little in life And his aim is to make people lose focus and join him in purgatory Here is how to use someone like molar Put a picture of them on your fridge And use their failure As the emotional juice To propel you to higher levels of success Use them to create in yourself Laser-like focus So you crush it at work Are incredibly successful And then when you are driving in your Corvette With your hot girlfriend And 60 year old molar it's looking all sad standing at the bus stop Drive past and hit that puddle And spray dirty water all over molar And carry on with your awesome life Fantasize about that in your mind And manifest that in your life ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Jesus wept on Jun 12th, 2020 at 8:39am
Jesus was a socialist. Of course, he was born long before the rise of industrial capitalism in the 19th century, but his radical ideas have influenced many critics of capitalism, including many prominent socialists and even Pope Francis.
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Title: Re: the left Post by mothra on Jun 12th, 2020 at 9:36am Richdude wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 6:06am:
Then why are over 2 million black people in jail? Are you aware that most of them are there because they've taken plea bargains to avoid mandatory sentencing because they can't afford legal representation? Held without charge for years. Years without charge. Because they can't make bail. Then you chuck 3 strikes in. Jesus what a sh*t show. Meanwhile, big business is gobbling up massive revenue. And feeding itself through ALEC. America holds one quarter of all prisoners in the world. One in four people in detention in the world are in the the land of the free. It's big business. You just feed it the poor. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 12:18pm mothra wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 9:36am:
bill clintons crime bill of 1994 saw the incarceration of a million young black men ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 12:19pm Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 8:39am:
jesus also said "to those who have, more shall be given from those who have little , even that will be taken away" his middle name was Paretto. jesus paretto christ |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:22pm Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 8:39am:
Your wrong! Socialism is theft! Compulsory taking from the earned to give to the unearned is wrong and is actually - slavery. We are not our brothers keepers unless you chose to be - making it mandatory - force - is a crime! Jesus preached compassion - giving freely to benefit others and oneself by the exercise of one's choice. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:26pm Richdude wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:22pm:
Hows that working in capitalism? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:33pm Richdude wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:22pm:
earned? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:35pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:26pm:
We have compassion for infants, the frail elderly and those in the hospital. All other forms of compassion equate to pity and are unhelpful and used by the perpetrator to climb the hierachy of moral superiority. The victim is merely a pawn in that game. The oppressed person in that game is being used as a throw away plaything by the fake virtuous hypocrite |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:38pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:35pm:
Thanks Dr Pop Freud. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:43pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 7:46am:
Good idea, dear. A picture of the virgin Marla upon one's fridge would provide a suitable image for reverence and awe, fuel for the "journey to success". Bow down thrice a day weeping tears of pure gratitude, picturing yourself driving your Corvette with the top down, your favourite prostitute giving you a handjob as you wizz off to your breakfast prayer meeting, coked up and ready to go on the "narrow path to success". |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:02pm Richdude wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 4:47am:
Benghazi. You didn't care about the politicising of those deaths, you don't get to care about it now. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:03pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:43pm:
You're confabulating. Use those who seek to bring you down as the motivation to awesomeness That's ok isn't it? If a black child is the subject of racist taunts, He or she can become butt hurt and lose focus and end up a loser Or develop a spine of steel, go to the library and end up a paediatrician |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:06pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:03pm:
Racism isn't a problem because it's character building? I don't think there has been a better display of white privilege on here in recent days than this comment of your Scoot... New low there mate, now low... |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:03pm:
spoken like someone who has never had to deal with racism :D :D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:12pm John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:08pm:
or bullying of any kind...pity he forgets all the kids that have committed suicide over bullying and racism,.. he seems to think every thing is cured by toughening up... if only! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:19pm
Lynching was just extreme bullying then.
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:27pm
rubbish,
the children of newly arrived immigrants suffer the worst racism and they nearly all end up climbing the ladder of success . then their children are given an easy time of it by parents who spoil them and that generation nearly all fall back down. you want to succeed in life, you have to WANT it to be hard. priveledge is an anchor around your neck . you want that blowtorch applied to your ass. your thinking is totally simplistic. as for cods comments about bullying and suicide. there was very little suicide amongst young people a few generations ago when the world was way way way more harsh. now, when everyone has their own personal psychologist, teen suicide rates and mental health issues are thru the roof. adversity builds mental strength. surtely you arent that stupid. if you want to build strong muscles, you hit the gym and you bully the crap out of your muscles, you subject them to pain, you torture them thats how they get strong FFS you nitwits ::) ::) and thats how you build a strong mind. by learning to take a blow, by learning that you are stronger then some snivelling little sook |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:29pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:27pm:
:D :D :D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:36pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:27pm:
Actuallyt that just more results in injuryt from overwork. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:50pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:27pm:
But you're conflating that it's because of racism as if you want a thank you for being racist rather than in spite of it. I guess all these attacks on young white when you're seeing, those poor victims, should continue and intensify so they can make something of themselves. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:06pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:27pm:
I agree. Research shows that people who grow up being called dirty Boongs and Spear-chuckers and Tree Apes go on to become the highest income earners and generate the most wealth in society. Many go on to develop marvellous inventions and scientific discoveries, helping others and saving countless lives in the process. The evidence shows that if you want your children to succeed, one of the best things you can do is to encourage people to say BAN THEM, KILL THEM, SEND THEM BACK and WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE. Scientific, innit. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Fuzzball on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:10pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:40pm:
Either you're blind or you're plain and simply a moron.......the latter me thinks... |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:12pm Fuzzball wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:10pm:
Is anyone denying that there weren't troublemakers. The overwhleming majority of the protests were peaceful. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:19pm SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
nope, i am entirely consistent. it sickens me to see young white men being all butt hurt because the lefties dont like them. and then claiming victim status rediculous. particularly young men were designed to take a blow, lift a load, do something hard, push thru some pain. thats why they have an unconscious desire to skateboard down rails and concrete steps their subconscious minds are telling them that pain of a grazed knee will toughen them. modern society isnt going to do that for you nowadays. you want to get ahead , you have to seek out challenges. why do people climb everest. that mountain bullies you. its trying to kill you. why dont they feel a desire to stay in a safe space in tibet and lock themselves in their room. because we all admire the person who can push thru pain. there is nothing admirable about being a cry baby. and when life chucks adversity at you (which it will) you better be the sort of creature that has had lots and lots of practice dealing with adversity or you are f....ked |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:19pm
t sickens me to see young white men being all butt hurt because the lefties dont like them
Why are they butt hurt? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:20pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:19pm:
Whats weird to me is no one is fundamentally is a bigger cry baby on here than you. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:22pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:06pm:
the evidence IS crystal clear that rich fathers will have more successful children if they dont hand over the loot. plenty of studies have shown it. make them make it on their own |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:23pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:20pm:
really ;D ;D ;D. i see myself as an inspiration. are you bowing down before your fridge yet ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:24pm Quote:
the only thing you're consistent in is your inconsistencies. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:25pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
no one else does. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:25pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
Yes, all you do is talk in a vain effort to convince yourself of your own success. And my fridge is comfortable in its own frigidity |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:27pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:19pm:
a lot of white folk are claiming the system is being rigged against them that affirmative action is rigged against them that aborigines get special benefits that the media attack white men. pathetic. use the attacks of the left on our heroes like captain cook, to try to be the next captian cook. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:27pm SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
It's true. If you want to help lift white people out of poverty, you need to apply a bit of the old "evolutionary blowtorch". It can help if we encourage them to see themselves as HUMAN FILTH and SCUM, NO BETTER THAN ANIMALS - WORSE. AN ANIMAL DOESN'T KILL ITS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD. THESE PEOPLE ARE DESPICABLE. THEY NEED TO BE EXPUNGED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:28pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:27pm:
So its lefties fault that white folk are complaining about poo that doesn't really exist. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:30pm
ah the criticism of the left.
it is inspiring me to push on i will work super hard next week now with the goal of expanding my empire thanks guys |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:30pm:
I've fed horses, its not that hard. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:19pm:
Me too, dear. Unless it's Mr Trump and his family.They've had it tough. WITCH HUNT. SO UNFAIR. MCARTHYISM! BAD (OR SICK) GUY! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:33pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:28pm:
no you fool. any whitey who complains about how the leftie media are oppressing him or the government are favouring racial groups with affirmative action has gone over to the dark side. if white folks start complaining, they will end up stuck in victim mentality and then they will fail. never complain!! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:33pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
thats just the hobby farm the real action takes place elsewhere ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:35pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
trump mouths the victim narrative but he's actually bullshitting when he does that. he is high energy optomistic and has the energy of a teenager on ritalin when he speaks i dont see him as a 'debbie downer" not at all |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:36pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Weird, thats all you do. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:38pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
Sure, but driving in your Corvette with your super-hot filly isn't always easy. People are always being so mean and nasty. So unfair. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:39pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:38pm:
How does aqua get a horse in that small a car. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:40pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
Sure, but driving off to make a killer deal in your Corvette with your super-hot filly isn't always easy. People are always being so mean and nasty. So unfair. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:41pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
Aquascoot drives a Corolla. The Corvette's just on the fridge, next to his picture of Marla, inspiring him, pushing him on. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:43pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:22pm:
I know. Like Mr Trump. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:44pm
;D ;D ;D
K cracks me up ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:11pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:35pm:
I know. Lock her up, drain the swamp, build the wall. It's all quite positive when you think about it. Mr Trump promised us a big BEAUTIFUL wall, you know. We might have had to settle for a few rusty old slats, but it's creative visualisation that got us there. Just think how many rapists we'll keep out now, eh? They won't be laughing at us now, dear. Inspirational. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:14pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
What happens in the paddock stays in the paddock, no? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:18pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
I agree with you Aqua. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:31pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 3:43pm:
but arent you claiming donnys daddy gave him too much stuff and that hes a failure. you prove my point If you look at the top self-made (vs inherited) wealthy people: Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Mark Zukerberg, etc., they may not have been from poor families but they weren't the richest kids in high school or college either. And according to some surveys and Thomas Stanley in the book "The Millionaire Next Store", the majority of new millionaires in the United States are first generation immigrants. Almost the same is true for Canada, where nearly half of the millionaires are immigrants or first generation Canadians who made their wealthy after coming to Canada. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm
Did Millionaires Inherit Their Wealth?
We recently released the findings of the largest study of millionaires ever conducted, with 10,000 people participating. We also surveyed the general population, and we found out that 74% of Millennials believe millionaires inherited their money. So do 52% of Baby Boomers. Our study of millionaires blows that theory out of the water. Only 21% of millionaires received any inheritance at all. Just 16% inherited more than $100,000. And get this: only 3% received an inheritance at or above $1 million. Think about that: 74% of Millennials believe millionaires inherited their money, but the vast majority of millionaires didn’t get any inheritance at all, and those who did certainly didn’t get enough to make them millionaires! https://www.chrishogan360.com/investing/how-many-millionaires-actually-inherited-their-wealth |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:17pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm:
It's never about facts for the paki or gino smith. It is always only about the sneering and the jeering and their endless circle wank. That's all they ever want to hear, say and fap to. And now they are on the streets in their useless thousands across the Western world. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:58pm Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:17pm:
all the entrepreneurs say that times of chaos are the best time to start a business. all the protestors are pissing away their futures and the focused guys are about to make a killing. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 12th, 2020 at 7:24pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm:
It depends who you're talking about... If their father was in real estate there is a chance that yes, they did inherit their wealth, in some cases via loans that were never paid back to finance their risks, bailout after bailout after bailout after bailout or trying to swindle siblings out of the estate. I actually thought of changing tact and finishing with a considered and reasons reply about the dangers or starting businesses right now with the added risks above and beyond the usual with the virus and regulatory uncertainty mixed with the notion of having to start from nothing and raising capital being almost impossible at the moment, even worse if you're black in the US, but then I forgot my target audience and the fact that they've already made up their minds and are just looking for excuses to attack the protesters, minimise the issue they're protesting about and blame them, all to justify their dog whistling. So why bother. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 12th, 2020 at 8:27pm SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 7:24pm:
You can't make a considered and reasoned reply but pretend that it wouldn't be understood. The fact is YOU don't understand your own argument SO you cannot make it. You emote and arse-cover your incoherence. Bwianesque. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 10:41pm Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:17pm:
All true, old boy. The proud burgers of this fine land invented a Hills Hoist. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 11:00pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:31pm:
Good God, no. Donny's daddy set him up with a successful New Jersey real estate portfolio. All Donny had to do was collect the rent. But no, Donny was brash, so daddy gave him 4 mil to knock down a Manhattan department store in the early 70s and build a hotel, and so he did. But alas, Donny got itchy feet and moved into casinos. He did okay too, until the '87 crash hit him, so Donny's daddy tried to bail him out with another few mil by buying his casino chips - 2 mil worth to keep Donny afloat for a fortnight. In total violation of the New Jersey gaming laws, but it's all good. Donny had greased the New Jersey Gaming Commission, but do you know? He couldn't keep up with the interest. So, like all jolly carpetbaggers, daddy or no daddy, Donny was forced to throw in the towel - 4 bil in corporate bankruptcies, the largest ever seen in Atlantic City to date. No matter how much his dad tried to save him, it was the junk stock holders who lost their shirts. Three great casinos went under. Daddy couldn't save his son, but Donny kept the Trump brand. You can read all about it in books you don't want to know about, Aquascoot. After he lost it all, his daddy died, leaving Donny the rest of his estate, all in family trusts set up to avoid Uncle. Because of that, Donny hasn't declared a cent in income for almost two decades, despite making the Forbes Rich List for much of it. Donny's daddy's wealth prevailed. If Donny hadn't done a thing, he'd be worth just what Daddy had bequeathed him, with interest, in the 1970s. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2020 at 11:18pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm:
And you can't read a graph. Nearly two thirds of all wealth in America is inherited. That's 63% of everything bought, sold and paid for, all inherited. We know you get your Ms mixed up with your Bs, dear, but even billionaires rely on good old Dad. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by cods on Jun 12th, 2020 at 11:25pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 5:18pm:
:D :D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:04am Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 10:41pm:
Being an electrical and mechanical engineer. I know much about inventions. Australia actually has a very rich history of inventions that an ignorant oafish fool like you would know nothing about. Get back to Karachi dung heap you came from you sniggering POS! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:32am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 1:26pm:
If you look around the World. The nations with the least taxes are also the greatest donators. People who pay high taxes are less willing to donate to charities - which makes sense. Why would contribute more as you have less to give and feel you have already contributed via tax? Then watch in disgust at the way these social welfare recipients behave and realize your hard earned contributes to this. This builds resentment among the producers and look to invest where taxes are lower. "When you want less of something - tax it and you want more subsidize it". Socialism is inherently a failure. Socialism creates ingratitude - the more you receive from welfare the more justified and deluded you become. To the point where they feel entitled and that those who produce - owe them a living. We see this attitude here - a warped distorted sense of reality. Yes - I'm talking about John, DNA, Karnal, Greg, Marla ......... You should be ashamed but you are too deluded to know better. Jesus would have supported the produces - he would have had compassion for the worthless - then kicked them in the ass! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 13th, 2020 at 12:30pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:32am:
source? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 12:38pm John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 12:30pm:
People who pay high taxes are less willing to donate to charities - which makes sense. Why would contribute more as you have less to give and feel you have already contributed via tax? Then watch in disgust at the way these social welfare recipients behave and realize your hard earned contributes to this. Its called common sense. Wealthy people in Oz don't donate as much wealthy Americans and this is something you find elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:01pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
so no source? you made it up? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:17pm John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:01pm:
No I didn't. Common sense comes with experience, knowledge and a sound mind. I can understand why you have difficulty. People with less taxation have a higher disposable income - thus are prone to donate more. People with less ...... do i need to go on? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:18pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:17pm:
Anyone with common sense would understand what the word 'source' meant. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:32pm John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:18pm:
You mean like ketchup or Worcestershire? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:49pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:04am:
Which dung heap do you come from, electrical and mechanical engineer? Oh, that's right. You won't say. We grew here, you haven't even bothered to fly. We invented a Hills Hoist. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:51pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:32pm:
Way past Rich's bedtime, JS. He's too tired to snigger, never mind a source. Quote:
The countries with the lowest tax rates don't even rank on the above list. https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/17-countries-with-the-worlds-lowest-tax-rates-20161005-grv0ao 1. Brunei 2. Qatar 3. Macedonia 4. Kuwait 5. Bahrain 6. Lesotho 7. Saudi Arabia 8. UAE 9. Georgia 10. Singapore As you can see, there's no correlation whatsoever. Rich is an electrical and mechanical engineer, you see. He's a PATRIOT. Just don't ask which time zone he's from, okay? He's having a nap. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 13th, 2020 at 4:38pm Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 1:32pm:
no, that's sauce anyone with a modicum of common sense would know the difference :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 13th, 2020 at 7:26pm
Courbet painted the source of the world, called it l'origine du monde.
Reminds me of you (and bwian, paki, gweggy) for some reason. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:46pm John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 4:38pm:
Anyone with a sense of humor would know that I was joking! ;D If you can't see that someone with a large disposable income is more likely to donate than someone without - there is no point in debating. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 12:56am Richdude wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
So why does Myanmar, one of the poorest countries in the world, top the global giving index? Don't answer that, dear. If I was you, I'd keep hiding. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 14th, 2020 at 1:17am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 12:56am:
We are not talking about 3rd World nations. There are a hundred reasons for this. You tell us why! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 7:05am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 12:56am:
in a proper meritocracy, people work their way to the top and then they look for the next paradigm which consists of philanthropy and mentoring the next set of entrepreneurs. what capitalism has to look out for (and america seems to have become "wilfully blind" to some of this is that you cant have brokers at lehmann brothers making millions fleecing mortgage bonds whilst a welder from arkansas with a mortgage gets made homeless. that isnt meritocracy. the meritocracy has become corrupt. but people are FINE with inequality as long as there is a fair chance for all. no one hates the winner of a lottery if it is conducted fairly. and entreprenuers like, say Jobs, who made the iphone. most people think he deserves the rewards. noone thinks Micheal Jordan doesnt deserve his billions. poor black teenagers save up to buy his nike shoes , happily what a meritocracy needs is "equality of opportunity" good schooling for all kids and then let the cream rise. so, pour cash into education. but the leftie universities are also corrupt. smart aspiring black students are pushed into the humanities and end up with an enormous debt to the instiotution and poor job prospects. how can you be an entrepreneur if you have a 6 figure debt and no health care. there is lots of stuff that can be done to make the meritocracy fair but in the end a meritocracy is the only system that works. you WANT the best plumber, massage therapist, IT nerd to be paid more then the worst. it gets rid of the people who are rubbish at what they do. and most people should be able to identify something they are good at. like my illiterate mate who drives and excavator and owns 7 houses. he climbed the meritocracy of plant operators. trying to produce equality of outcome is catastrophic and wont work. are we going to have 50 % female bricklayers? 50 % females joining the pipes on the deepwater horizon? just give everyone a fair go. drop the identity politics and let people find their niche |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:19am Richdude wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 1:17am:
Because they have the richest and poorest people, Rich, but then, you never did specify the type of nation. Australia's 3rd on the list. Why does it donate more than richer nations? You won't say, but it's a frivolous argument to begin with. You can't measure how much people in a particular country give away, only how much they apply tax write-offs to. There's your incentive, Rich: people give to charity to avoid paying tax. So why's Myanmar number one? Oh. You won't say. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:23am aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 7:05am:
Sounds like you're going for a socialist uptopia. That's a meritocracy. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:48am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:23am:
if we are talking equality of opportunity, a society would be insane not to support that. but equality of outcome? quotas, affirmative action, removing earnt wealth from the more competant and giving it to the less competant? very very bad ideas |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 10:38am aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:48am:
Where does that happen? As we've seen, 63% of wealth is passed on from parent to child. Apart from parents, who's giving jobs or funds to the less competent? Er, don't answer that, dear. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 12:21pm Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 10:38am:
well there is a law suit in the USA brought by asian applicants to universities who have been excluded (despite having better grades) to make way for quotas of african americans now if you have higher grades, i define that as "more competant" you ? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 14th, 2020 at 2:53pm
The left are intolerant, aggressive, destructive, criminally inclined, immature and selfish.
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:04pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 12:21pm:
Been excluded from what? Black scholarships? No, dear, I think I should be able to pay for whoever I want to study, including my own children. No University in America is denying anyone tuition who can pay, I'll guarantee you that. But here you are talking about equality of opportunity. I thought you were frowning on equality of outcome. All an education gets you is something to put in your mind and on your resume. We call that an opportunity. You were about to tell me about the world's best scientists and financial wizards being denied jobs and contracts given to dumb black yokels instead, now weren't you? But you couldn't find any evidence of that, now could you? That's okay. We're all friends here. You can admit it. You could find any evidence to support your argument at all. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:07pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 2:53pm:
You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:15pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 2:53pm:
and yet it's the right attacking coppers in london :D :D |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:25pm Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:04pm:
is race taken into consideration for admission to a university in OZ? what about Harvard ? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:35pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:25pm:
Sorry, are you asking if race is taken into consideration to deny you admission to a university in Oz or Harvard? I don't follow. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:37pm John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:15pm:
Sure, but Sprint's on a roll. Don't confuse him. That was the most eloquent post he's made here in years. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 14th, 2020 at 7:17pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 2:53pm:
And one day you will attempt to support your imagination. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:10pm Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 6:35pm:
harvards admission policy assesses race as one of the characteristics determining admission. is that a good idea ? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:20pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 2:53pm:
i would put it more that "those who are successful in business CANNOT display the characteristics of being intolerant, aggressive, destructive, criminally inclined, immature and selfish." if you run a small business , are a self employed professional or tradesman then your earnings would be demolished if you behaved in such a way. as such . being self employed forces you to a higher level. now if you are on welfare, an activist , a university student, a public servant or a trade unionist, you dont have the same pressure on you to act at a more altruistic paradigm. so you dont have the pressure of society keeping you on the straight and narrow. and you can then drift into these lower behaviours. and you probably will. and then you have to rationalise to yourself your anger and destructive desires. and the easiest way to "let yourself off the hook" is to pretend that you are angry and destructive because you are standing up for the oppressed and various victim groups. you probably have never met one. doesnt matter. i doubt most lefties on here have met an african american. a transgender, a homeless person , a refugee. they are just the pawns in the self deception. so much better to be a noble self actualised self employed person, loving the sting of competition in the marketplace, being driven to provide the very best of service to your fellow man and being rewarded for your efforts. then you can just feel awesome and you have no need for these lesser behaviours |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:35pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
No, Harvard assesses race for scholarships. It does not, and nor does any university in Australia that I'm aware of, exclude anybody from applying to study based on their race. If they did, you would see class action lawsuits like you've never seen before. But I'm curious. Are you saying university entrance is skewed in a way that discriminates against rich whites? And are you saying that this facilitates inequality of opportunity? Cheers. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:54pm Quote:
I'm sure that makes Sprint feel so much better, dear. And let's face it, he needs a laugh more than most. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:05am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:54pm:
How unlucky can you get: A Transgender African american refugee who is homeless. Spin is right I don't think I ever met one of those. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Marla on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:43am
The Mosque down the street is preaching social justice. Discussing BLM. Really supportive. Nice.
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:00am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 9:19am:
Does Myanmar donate more to other nations than say the US? Does Fiji donate more than Australia? Does Ethiopia donate more than the EU? Of course not! They don't have the economic muscle to do so. Its a silly argument anyway. Especially since Joe's giving Ukraine 1.5 Billion for his revolving door bribe. Karnal self righteously thinks that the rich should give the poor money. No doubt echoing his/her own economic circumstances. Much of the lefts psyche of victim-hood springs from the scarcity mindset and laziness. Sucks to be poor - eh! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:00am aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
I'd love some evidence first |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:02am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2020 at 8:35pm:
There are programs which gier students from lower SES , regional areas lower requirements, but they don't exclude people. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:09am Richdude wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:00am:
Excellent questions, Rich. I've provided you with the links and the tools to say. Now, you have a little look and get back to us, okay? We'll wait for you. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:13am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:02am:
Do you think they make the case that we live in a categorically unequal society, so unfair, because blacks get more than rich whites? That's Aquascoot's argument. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:15am Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:13am:
No they make the case that we live in a categorically unequal society, so unfair, because blacks get less than rich whites. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:58pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 11:15am:
So why would Aquascoot be arguing the exact opposite of the truth? It doesn't make sense. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:00pm
“The consideration of race, alongside many other factors, helps us achieve our goal of creating a diverse student body that enriches the education of every student,” University president Lawrence S. Bacow said in a message to the University community. “Everyone admitted to Harvard College has something unique to offer our community, and today we reaffirm the importance of diversity—and everything it represents to the world.”
when they starting talking diversity, they are talking equality of outcome (the outcome being admission to harvard), not equality of opportunity (those with the best grades get the spot) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:07pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:58pm:
he was most likely kicked in the head by a horse when he was younger |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:18pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:00pm:
Thats not evidence you know. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:21pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:18pm:
The university president says the aim is to create diversity. Asian students with higher SATs then African American students miss out. Students are chosen on the basis of race, not test scores, so that diversity can be constructed. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:22pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:21pm:
You still haven't produced evidence yet. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:26pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:21pm:
Whilst we're on equality of opportunity at Harvard how about that kid at the Frisch School whose GPA and SAT didn't merit entry but got entry based on his dad giving them $2.5 million as a gift |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 12:58pm:
Again, you are arguing for equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Chinese working on the railroads in America were badly treated slaves, very similar in victimhood and oppression to African Americans. But Chinese are now doing well. Same with Jews. Terrible oppression. But now doing well. Once you start doing well, you lose your victim status. What logic is there to that. You either were oppressed or you weren't. Why should Chinese kids and Jewish kids lose spots at Harvard so we can have " diversity" |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:30pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:26pm:
Shouldn't have got in. Corruption of the meritocracy. Wicked stuff |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:34pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:30pm:
My point exactly. But you may feel conflicted aqua. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:02pm
no,
it should be equality of opportunity if there are 200 spots, they go to the 200 students with the best grades. no need to look at their sex, race, religion, income, postcode. then you have a true meritocracy |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:00pm:
Talking about diversity, yes? You mean like the way you welcome Chows and "noble Gurkhas" to our fine shores, no? How diabolically wacist. But I'm curious. Equality of outcome is about an equal share of the pie. I.e, equal wages. How does a non-racially biased university entrance policy apply to that? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
Still though in this case of Whilst we're on equality of opportunity at Harvard how about that kid at the Frisch School whose GPA and SAT didn't merit entry but got entry based on his dad giving them $2.5 million as a gift You may feel conflicted |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:15pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:21pm:
Students to Harvard are chosen on the basis of entrance scores and their financial contributions. They have different intake processes, just like our family reunion visa criteria. If you pay a hundred grand to DFAT, your visa application goes to the top of the queue. We call this capitalism. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:22pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
You haven't proved that they do, but student admissions have nothing to do with equality of outcome. Plenty of Harvard graduates go an work in poor legal firms that pay next to nothing. Others go on to become prez. Others still pretend certain black prezes made it through Harvard because they were black, but paid Brown University administrators off to hide their own academic records. There's no equality of outcome in grades, dear. So unfair. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:24pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 1:30pm:
Indeed. But you're arguing that we should have equality of opportunity. So unfair, is it? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 2:24pm:
if you want to have the most prosperity, you make sure things function on a hierachy of competance. for academia...that means the most brainy get the spot....period. why would we exclude africans or women or gays and lesbians from any aspect of society if they were the most competant. if a black muslim transgender is the best neurosurgeon...thats who i want removing my kids brain tumour. but i dont want harvard medical school using race or daddys cash or sex or skin colour to determine who gets trained as a neurosurgeon...that corrupts the ideal of the market capitalist system. favouring african americans is a sin of the left favouring rich kids is a corruption of the right. the left see many hierachies as hierachies of power. that can be because rich people are trying to cheat. thats where the capitalist system needs to "pay attention" and make sure all hierachies are hierachies of COMPETANCE. and if you are Warren Buffet , the most competant stockbroker and a trillionaire, we should applaud you and study you and if you are micheal jordan the most competant basketball player we should applaud you and study you. we shouldnt give a short fat kid who cant play basketball the same ribbon for "participation" as micheal. that corrupts the hierachy. the short fat kid has to go find his niche and climb that hierachy . |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:03pm
On the Warren Buffett thing aqua, what do you think of Jared Kushner?
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:21pm
problematic.
his grandparents were holocaust survivors. now THEY must have been made of stern stuff. but his daddy got him inot harvard...thats corrupt. but then he did start an online business for real estate investment so he probably has some of the entrepreneurial spirit . |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:23pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:21pm:
His dad is a convicted criminal, and its basically rubbed off on him. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 5:05pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
thats way way way above your pay grade to assess. its one of the pronlems with the leftie intellect. most lefties probably wouldnt be able to develop a functional relationship with their partner and their kids. yet they think they can take to the street with placards and announce their broadscale plans for social change. "abolish the police" really, they really think that they have the intricate knowledge of the workings of the ENTIRE society and that they could usher in some utopia. how about a little humility |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 15th, 2020 at 5:23pm
The Left's position is summed up by a suitably... er... diverse little elf:
https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1272258721532518400 The intelligent response, sure to be ignored: The black community that is behind Black Lives Matter is frequently wrong… They make terrible arguments... [But] if you contradict [these terrible arguments] then it must mean that you don’t think black lives matter… and that’s not how science works… If a person says, “Two times three equals a chicken,” that person is wrong. I don’t care how trans they are. We have to have the ability, inside of a free society, to treat each other as equals. And if I can’t tell you you’re wrong, you’re not my equal. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 8:47pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm:
Aquascoot, American universities exclude all students who can't pay hundreds of thousands in fees. If you can't afford to study, you don't. There goes your best marks case. Your next trick will be saying people with the most money should go to university - period. You watch, you'll make just that case. Now rather than me chasing you around calling your krap, just say that. The kids with the richest parents deserve to go to uni, get the best marks, get the best jobs and make the most cash. You can then say how unfair it is that rich white guys like Mr Trump don't get MORE opportunities, so unfair. Chop chop. Stop wasting our time complaining about equality and just join us in a jolly old chuckle. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Setanta on Jun 15th, 2020 at 8:53pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 8:47pm:
That's not true K, I know two people have got scholarships to USA Unis, they didn't have to pay. One was even black. He went to Harvard. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:05pm Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 5:23pm:
Er, you don't think black lives matter. You despise them. You're the one who invented the term tinted. You're the one who calls silly old K a dirty Paki Bastard just because. Now we all know silly old K's a second generation Scottish immigrant who GREW here. And we all know you're a half-Kraut cheese-snorter who FLEW here. Your yeah-but-no-but excuse for sheer hypocrisy is "correlation-not-causation": Niggras, Boongs, PBs and assorted tints are hideous people who should be excluded at all costs: banned, carpet-bombed and SENT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. We know this because that's what you say, dear boy. So stop playing the no-speaka-da-English victimhood card and admit it. You flew here, you think you're ENTITLED to be here, and even silly old PBs like Karnal should be BANNED and kept off your streets. Say that, old boy. You know you want to. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:14pm Setanta wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 8:53pm:
Oh, I see. So Aquascoot's confusing scholarships for admissions. Just as I expected. Here you were thinking he was dumb enough to think American universities are open to all the poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free. I don't think he's that dumb, dear. He might not be able to post a link, but I'll have you know he's perfectly capable of just making stuff up. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:23pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:14pm:
what are you on about? i said harvard have a policy of diversity that means african american students with lower grades get to go there and take a spot an asian kid with higher grades misses out on. if harvard give african americans with lower grades "SCHOLARSHIPS" then WTF difference does it make to my point. they are still getting ADMITTED with their SCHOLARSHIPS despite POORER MARKS. that is UN FUUUUCKIN FAIR |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:36pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:23pm:
I know, dear, so unfair. Do you think Mr Trump's father should have been allowed to pay his fees? Or do you think he should have been forced to pay for someone to go to uni who had higher marks? You know - period. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Setanta on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:37pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:14pm:
I wouldn't know dear, I was taking issue with your claim that "American universities exclude all students who can't pay hundreds of thousands in fees. " with an emphasis on all by using italics. You're not denying you said that are you? Perhaps just trying to sidestep it? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:43pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:36pm:
WTF you are rambling on in bad faith. i do not engage in discussions with "bad faith nincompoops" ;) good bye |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:44pm Setanta wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:37pm:
Sorry, Setanta, you're right. I should have qualified my statement with "all American universities" with the exception of those with privately-funded scholarship boards who administer donated funds to students who "can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands in fees". Thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Setanta on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:54pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:44pm:
Even that is not correct. The black guy who went to Harvard? His father was and is quite well off, he's a hydrologist, long retired now. The white guy? Boarding and no payments and his father is not poor either, a piano teacher, tuner, uni lecturer. I think he only teaches and tunes these days, he's getting on too. I believe the scholarships were on merit. The black guy teaches advanced HS Math, not bad for a guy whose mum grew up on a mission in the TI, the white guy was a network engineer for Telstra last I heard. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2020 at 10:31pm Setanta wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:54pm:
Are you saying the administrators of the scholarship fund got it wrong? Ee-gad, I stand horribly and miserably corrected, Setanta This eats into the very corpus of our social body. It proves, once and for all, that we have NO EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY. Thanks for proving Aquascoot's point. I could not agree more. I don't think so either. Yes, I was just pretending to disagree all along. As if Harvard would share their tinted scholarships with whitey. Cunning, no? I'd rather see equality of opportunity - period. It's just that Aquascoot keeps pretending to REALLY mean it, when as we all know, he's just having a laugh. You? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 16th, 2020 at 12:29am aquascoot wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:43pm:
And just think, you could have just said you were stalling until you got your thoughts together to make more stuff up. Or you could have just said, okay, the jig's up. You couldn't give two hoots about equality of opportunity or outcome or anything else. You just stand up, cap in hand, for rich white kids and good old Pappy. But no, you couldn't bring yourself to do it. You wanted silly old moi to give you lots of attention until the truth, inevitably, rises to the surface like so much flotsam and jetsom from a craft so weak it couldn't last five minutes in a pond. Just be straight. You revel in entitlement. This is the cross you bear for being a poor white boy with nothing other than the colour of your skin. You, at least, grew here. The old boy doesn't even have that. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 16th, 2020 at 6:28am
What are you on about
I stand up for the meritocracy I stand up for the smartest children in America being given the opportunity to go to harvard. Period If you've got a rich daddy or the right skin colour Should make 0 difference to you being admitted Why is this important Did you catch four corners last night The Chinese are now investing hundreds of billions in becoming world leaders in artificial intelligence and machine learning There are now more Chinese university students studying in these Fields then there are qualified engineers already working in these areas and I can guarantee you the Chinese are selecting purely on the basis of good grades If America is to compete And I think it is already behind the eight ball Then America needs to get its act together with regards be meritocracy immediately It needs to scour the schools and find the brightest and the best Regardless of how much there daddy has Regardless of whether they will help with this so called diversity All that should be relegated to the dustbin of history If an Asian kid is hitting the books in the library And gets a better score then an African American kid if an Asian kid is hitting the books in the library And gets a better score than a white kid who's daddy offer s Harvard millions of dollars Then that Asian kid gets the spot at Harvard Can you get that through your thick head If there is a problem with that argument Please clarify This is not stalling This is not having a laugh This is possibly the most important thing that America needs to decide to do |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 16th, 2020 at 10:24am aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 6:28am:
Is see. So you prefer the Chinese system? Quote:
Here's what it costs to go to Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/graduate-program/llm-tuition-and-financial-aid/ What you saw on Four Corners last night was a government-driven project, part of China's Belt & Road initiative. China are busily going around the world offering cities surveillance systems. This isn't for the benefit of corporate profit, it's a plan by the Chinese state. Are you suggesting the US compete with that? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 16th, 2020 at 1:28pm LOL "if you want to be a popular kid in the playground, you have to play a game everyone wants to play" this brilliant statement by jean Piaget, strikes at the heart of what is wrong in america. 1/2 the population dont want to play with the other half. so that dooms them. that alone should finish off the US. but the brilliant Piaget also said "if you look at the outcome of a system of human interactions, a system where people are willingly participating, will always outperform a system where people are not willingly participating". this goes to the crux of my arguement with north. he thinks the chinese people are oppressed by a totalitarian government they hate. if that were so, china would not have 20 trillion in the bank and standards of living that are rising at 400 % since 2006. north thinks western democracy is a system where people are willingly participating. i'm calling BS on that. the USA has racked up 20 trillion in debt and has a completely polarised population. i am a great supporter of the chinese model. people will happily trade having to conform for a bit of stability. by the looks of it the chinese model is more functional. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 16th, 2020 at 4:30pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 1:28pm:
But Piaget didn't say that. Paretto didn't say to each who has all more shall be given. Jesus didn't say more shall be given to the rich. And Harvard doesn't exclude smart white rich kids in favour of Darkie. Let's face it, dear. The truth is the exact opposite of pretty much everything you say here. We gave you a chance. Admit that you don't stand for meritocracy or equality of opportunity or whatever you're going on about and let's just move on. But no, we have to slip around with all this stuff you make up. As soon as we've got you down, you slip out again with another, then another. Then, as soon as we've cleared the air, you come back and start all the krap going again. I'm starting to realise what the Sonderkommando went through in Auschwitz. They'd gas one trainload, pull out their valuables and teeth, burn the corpses, hose the gas chambers down, and then another trainload of starved, dazed Jews would be arriving. Schnell! Schnell! I mean, in your latest attempt to justify whatever it is you're saying, you're supporting the policies of the Chinese Communist Party. When will it ever end? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 16th, 2020 at 7:33pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:05pm:
This is why i love free speech. Idiots like the Paki Arse Bugger can freely display their rancorous stupidity. You are stupid enough to rally FOR any 'flew here' who wants to undermine and destroy the Britannic heritage of this country and equally vehemently attack anyone, like me, who wants to uphold it!! You are an evil. And you can't argue because you are confused and/or evil. You have no idea, you just sneer and wank and sneer. Too much Fvckauld and Marx and haunting toilets have rotted your 'mind'. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:16pm Frank wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 7:33pm:
Looks like the result of some high quality drugs ? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:20pm Frank wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 7:33pm:
And the punchline is, he's not even "Brittainic". Sorry to grow here, dear boy. Would you prefer to have your ancestors zip over to Mother England to inseminate each other, then send a few down here? You try that. In the meantime, best to pop back to where you came from and learn a little English. We'd offer to instruct you, but you'd think that after posting here for 20 years, you'd have the basics. You come back when you're Brittainic. We're here for you. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by John Smith on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:21pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:16pm:
Sadly, I don't think he can even use that excuse. ::) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:25pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:16pm:
University of Balogney. The old boy hasn't had a med review since 1982. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 1:43pm Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 4:30pm:
incorrect on every count. what piaget meant by "if you want to be a popular kid you have to play a game everyone wants to play" is being lived out in the real world in the USA as we speak. the looters and anti-fa dont want to play the game of the capitalist market. the rednecks of southern america dont want to play the game of identity politics and acknowledging their oppressor priveledge. and when people dont want to play, the system degenerates. the second part of piagets statement "an equilibrated system will outperform an unequilibrated system " is also being played out. because if you have tom FORCE people to play a game they dont want to play , then your system cannot compete with a system based on voluntary participation. heres a good example. Ebay. when they first brought out ebay, people would insure the transaction for 10 % of the cost because everyone thought people would send dodgy crap and people would not pay. but ebay is an equilibrated system. people in 99.9 % of cases send the correct item and get paid. the insurance premium was dropped. trust is another way of saying , a voluntary belief in creating an equilibrated system. which countries are doing well? piaget (and myself) would infer that if a country is doing well, there is trust within the system. and then you dont need to spend so much of your effort on enforcement (tyranny) and you dont have resentful citizens who wont co operate. countries like japan, south korea, norway , singapore, denmark are doing well. and yes, even china. to me that proves piagets point....there must be a certain degree of trust in those countries OR THEY WOULD NOT BE DOING WELL. where do we see problems....the USA, the middle east, various african countries, venezuela, the balkans recently, maybe turkey. in those countries there is a breakdown of trust between the government and the citizens or between various sects within the citizenry . this goes to my point about why North is WRONG that china is a country of resentful angry citizens who hate their government and a privleged elite CCP who spend all their capital enforcing tyranical rule. if that was the case, (and that was the case in stalins russia and in pol pots cambodia ), then china would be a basket case....unable to compete. but its not. if you watched 4 corners, the best and brightest software engineers are nurtured and supported and loved by the government and its a 2 way street. if harvard wants to admit people based on skin colour or how much daddy gives as an endowment or whether you can be a good quarteback for the harvard football team, then you destroy trust and you WILL PAY FOR THAT. if trump wants to hate on the 1/2 the population who are tinted then you destroy trust and you WILL PAY FOR THAT. if the dems want to hate on white christian folk from the midweat who are plainspoken then you destroy trust and you WILL PAY FOR THAT |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2020 at 2:04pm
Piaget wrote about cognitive development. Anytime you feel like making stuff up, you say Piaget said it.
Now this, you see, is the problem with uncultivated minds. I don't blame our education system. You can't make people tell the truth. Oh, you can show them how to research and who to read and how to provide a reference, but do they do it? No, it's too hard. Instead, they just say Piaget said this or Paretto said that, not for a second even bothering to read what they really wrote. Just think how easy it is to do a Wikipedia search on Piaget or Paretto or Jesus Christ. Do you imagine people don't do this? Do you think we just think Aquascoot said it so it must be right? Come come, dear, you've cried wolf so many times we now think you must be wrong. Just once, it would be nice to read you write something right. Why don't you give it a go? Instead of just blurting something out, why not bother to check it first? You can do it, we know you were taught to read and write, it's not the teachers' fault. Go on, give it a go. Starting from now. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 4:14pm Karnal wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 2:04pm:
liar liar , pants on fire. heres just a few pages. Jean wrote a whole series on it ::) ::) —How do you think the game of marbles began ?— At first, children looked for round pebbles.— And the rules ? —I expect they played from the coche. Later on, boys wanted to play differently and they invented other rules.— And how did the coche begin ?—I expect they had fun hitting the pebbles. And then they invented the coche.— Could one change the rules ? — Yes.— Could you ? — Yess I could make up another game. We were playing^ at home one evening and we found out a new one [he shows it to us]. —Are these new rules as fair as the others?—Yes.— Which is the fairest, the game you showed me first or the one you invented ?—Both the same.—If you show this new game to the little ones what will they do ?— Perhaps they will play at it.—And if they forget the square game and only play this one, which will be the true game, the new one that will be better known, or the old one ?—The best known one will be the fairest.” G ro s (13 yrs. at the fourth stage in the practice of the rules) has shown us the rules as we saw above. " Did your father play that way when he was little ?—No, they had other rules. They didn’t play with a square.— And did the other boys of your father's time play with a square ?—There must have been one who knew, since we know it now.—And how did that one know about the square ?—They thought they would see if it was nicer than the other game.— How old was the boy who invented the square ?—I expect thirteen [his own age].—Did the children of the Swiss who lived at the time of the battle of Morat play at marbles ?— They may have played with a hole, and then later on with a square.—And in the time of David de Purry [a periwigged gentleman whose statue on one of the public squares of Neuch&tel is known to all] ?—I expect they had a bit of a lark too !—Have rules changed since the square was invented ?—There may have been little changes.—And do the rules still change ? —No. You always play the same way.—Are you allowed to change the rules at all ?—Oh, yes. Some want to, and some don’t. ‘ I f the boys play that way (changing something) you have to play like they do.—Do you think you could invent a new rule ?—Oh, yes . . . [he thinks]; you could play with your feet.—Would it be fair ?—I don’t know. It’s just my idea.—And if you showed it to the others would it work ?—It would work all right. Some other boys would want to try. Some wouldn’t, by^Jove! They would stick to the old rules. They’d think they d have 60 THE MORAL JUDGMENT OF THE CHILD less of a chance with this new game.—And if everyone played your way ?—Then it would be a rule like the others.— Which is the fairest now, yours or the old one ?—The old one.—Why ?—Because they cant cheat. (Note this excellent justification of rules : the old rule is better than the innovation, not yet sanctioned by usage, because only the old rule has the force of a law and can thus prevent cheating.) And if nearly everyone played with their feet, then which would be fairest ?—I f nearly everyone played with their feet, then that would be the fairest.”—Finally we ask Gros, “ Suppose there are two games, an easy one where you win often, and a difficult one where you win seldom, which would you like best ?— The most difficult. You end by winning that w ay’* |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 4:16pm
from his ground breaking work
The Moral Judgement of The Child now i'll find his work on equilibrated systems ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 4:18pm
liar liar pants on fire exhibit 2 ::)
Equilibration as a central concept in piaget’S THEORY According to Piaget, models of equilibration are involved in all questions about cognitive development. Cognitive development, for him, is a succession of constructions with constant elaborations of novel structures. Moreover, for Piaget, this implies a process that improves existing structures and replaces temporally achieved equilibria through re-equilibrations. This process is designated by Piaget as equilibration, and coming to grips with it is the central issue for many of his works. Piaget’s account of equilibration is not only crucial for understanding his approach, it also sets his theory apart from most other theories concerning cognitive development. Moreover, Piaget, in his long career, has developed his own terminology that suits his own intentions better, but this terminology makes the challenge for new uninitiated readers even more daunting. It might be in order, therefore, to characterize the equilibration idea avoiding Piagetian jargon. So, I will first give a brief expository definition and elaborate upon it by expanding on all terms used in - and left out of - this brief definition. Subsequently, I will go deeper into matters now based on Piaget’s own formulations and review some of the central issues and perspectives involved. This review is roughly structured along these perspectives with a focus, first, on biological systems, next on the psychological subject, and third on the epistemological subject. Finally, conclusions and evaluation will follow. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 4:19pm |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2020 at 5:40pm
Good, you're starting, dear. That's more like it
Now the trick is to put these words and ideaa into an argument. I don't think it'll help to suggest the Chinese are playing marbles, but you can try it out, see how it goes. We're here for you. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 17th, 2020 at 5:56pm
understanding the laws of quantum mechanics allows you to build a computer.
the user may not know that but its still crucial. understanding the laws of equilibration, trust, game theory and the emergence of a shared morality allows you to construct a society that works. the third principle of jean piaget was that human interactions , if they were to be successful ahd to be good for both parties, good for both parties families, good for both parties communities, good for both parties environments, good today, good next week and good into the future. you really should try ti develop an understanding of how human interactions can be iterative. i know for a lot of lefties , they dont want to have to think too much. just "rich guys are bad and oppressors". an ideology you can learn in 15 minutes. maybe go read some piaget and develop some nuance instead of ideological smugness ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:03pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:16pm:
No - you are just an uncomprehending silly duck, remember? (Er... no, you don't). You understand nothing and sneer at everything. If you were born here then you would know (should now) that you were born into a Britannic country. The Paki arse bandit wants to be both 'grew here' and be against Australia's Britannic heritage. His repeated pretensions to 'British' heritage seems to me to be the obfuscation of an Irish/Paki navy with the full anti-Anglo animus. After all, our dear Aboriginal compatriots are animated by the Irish mindset of seething and resentment against anything English which they have been drinking in from the days of missions. Scratch an Aboriginal activist and you will soon find a Paddy. The Paki arse botherer is aspiring to be a Paddy. He has the level of resentment and rancour. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:29pm
The rightists here make the argument against George. The fact is that it isn't about George just that Georges murder was the straw that broke the camels back.
Do you all know that the police have murdered another black man since George. This poor black man went down shot twice in the back for the crime of falling asleep in his car. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Dnarever on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:33pm Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:03pm:
Do you have a white MAGA sheet with the eyes cut out as well as access to a pharmacy ?? You may note the difference between royalist and racist. The first isn't an excuse for the second The Britannic was a ship bigger than the Titanic. It sunk in 90 minutes. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:44pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:29pm:
Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/atlanta-police-shooting-rayshard-brooks.html Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:47pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 5:56pm:
One applies Paiget to a discourse of cognitive development. One applies quantum mechanics to a discourse on the nature of reality. One does not apply Piaget and Hawkings to a discourse on Cold War ideology and silly rants about leftists. That would be what psychologists prior to Piaget called moronic. But I see the old boy's popped in, so it must pique the interest of the dead. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:18pm Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:03pm:
Seething resentment and rancour. Imagine, the old boy's so desperate to sniff out stool he'll pretend to be anything other than a flush-faced old Kraut, the kind who stand there peering through their lace-curtains timing the garbos; a curtain-peeper, a bin-straightener, a miserable old Teutonic fool who doubles as an Anglophile. And we wouldn't have it any other way. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:59pm Karnal wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
:D :D you ARE an Irish-Paki! Bloomsday was yesterday. Pile on the words, paki, your rancorius, resentful irish-paki heart comes through. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2020 at 9:35pm Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:59pm:
As you can see, he's a real Black Lives Matter enthusiast too. And a monarchist. He gets his Celts mixed up, but otherwise, the old boy's a real blue-blood. One of his ancestors knocked up dear old Vic, or Albert. They were all dead at the time, but it's the thought that counts. If it's rockin don't bother knockin, no? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:28am Karnal wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 7:47pm:
Incorrect The cold war and leftist ideology Are entirely the matter of people's personal beliefs systems You think that these are all tied to politics the economy and the rational mind a people's beliefs systems and political ideologies Are actually tied to their personal psychology Their emotional state and their cognitive development Understanding Piaget is way way more important then understanding marx or Keynes |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:46am aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:28am:
Well, there's a task. Understand Piaget. First things first, no? While you're down there, love, see if you can come up with a psychology of the dead. If it's rotting, don't bother knocking, eh? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 12:18pm Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:46am:
hmmm, nietzhe said You have to be a fool before you can be a master. so you start off playing the piano terribly but with discipline , you can become a master. but your above reply shows you appear firmly stuck as a fool. if you applied yourself and tried to improve, you could become a master. but just "following the path of least resistance" and being a "smartie pants" is not advancing you towards mastery. all that effort into remaining a twit. you could have spent you time usefully reading piaget ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:00pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 12:18pm:
Did he, dear? Where? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Frank on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:11pm Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:00pm:
Aqua was paraphrasing, Paki Paddy. What Nietzsche actually said in Zarathustra was, “one repays a teacher poorly if one remains a mere pupil"? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 2:39pm
carl jung "the fool is the precursor of the savior".
one of the problems with the smarty pants left. especially the intellectual elite they think they know it all. no humility. and they teach callow youth to wave placards announcing their plans for societal change. "defund the police" :D :D :D. a little humility would make them reflect on their foolishness ;) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 3:45pm Frank wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 1:11pm:
Thanks, dear chap. University of Balogney, innit. Maybe Aquascoot has a different translation. Is that it, Aquascoot? Is one of the problems of the smartypants left their inability to read Nietzsche? What say you? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:05pm
i think their problem is laziness .
its exhausting to start and run a business. it requires courage , discipline and resilience. if you lack those behaviours, you can always go do an arts degree and learn to be an activist , learn the doctrine (all successful people are oppressors) in 15 minutes and then you can "announce your plans for broadscale social change". perfect path for the lazy, arrogant, opionated , smug individual who never actually wants to risk anything, do anything or achieve anything ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:29pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 2:39pm:
Sure, but wat about those who live lives of pure garbage? Shouldn't we try to help them? Point out the error of their ways? I mean, you don't want to call them deplorables or racists or anything like that. That would be beyond the pail. But we do need to encourage and inspire them with quotes from Piaget and Nietzsche, no? We can make our own words up, it's not as if they'd check. |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:34pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:05pm:
True. They're to lazy to look up Nietzsche, it's not as if they'd bother starting a business or anything. Lives of pure garbage, the lot. Lazy - and no humility, that's their problem. They should learn from us, yes? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:53pm Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
if Joe Lunchbox can get himself inspired by some go-getters and action-takers, he may start to move up. if he starts to associate with the ideology of the left...seething resentment, nihilism, jealousy of the successful, an inability to realize the competance of most successful people, celebration of victimhood and dividing people up into their group identities ...then the life of pure garbage is assured. our kenyan brothers and sisters are moving up because the inspirational belt and road initiative is inspiring them our african american brothers and sisters are stuck in a purgatory of identity politics and playing the oppression olympics. there is no glory in that. just seething rage and resentment congratulations ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 5:15pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 4:53pm:
I know. Fancy being bothered by a few frisky cops. While the blacks in America are getting their knickers in a knot, the ones over in Kenya are smiling a big toothy grin and learning Chinese. I'm sure the old boy's with you there, dear. He's going back over his notes on Piaget. Er, old boy? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:37pm
the chinese and the kenyans are playing a game "everyone wants to play"
and its an "equilibrated system". the chinese dont have to use too much force to tyranise the kenyans both are willing participants  kenya.jpg (225 KB | 12
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Title: Re: the left Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:40pm
the left and the right in the USA have not been able to design a game which "everybody wants to play"
the system is not "equilibrated" over time the cost of running such a system destroys any prosperity the system was trying to produce new_york.jpg (12 KB | 14
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Title: Re: the left Post by Setanta on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:59pm
Kristallnacht (German pronunciation: [kʁɪsˈtalnaχt] (About this soundlisten)) or the Night of Broken Glass, also called
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:23pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:37pm:
That's right. The Chows have been reading your paraphrased quotes of Piaget, Nietzsche and Jung for sure. How's Mr Trump doing? Learning too, is he? Cunning, no? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:26pm Setanta wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:59pm:
Always good to see a decent rewrite, Setanta. Read and learn, Aquascoot. That's how to do it. Maybe FD can put it in the Wiki. FD? |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Richdude on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:51pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:40pm:
No quite IMO. The traditional system in the US where opportunities abound and a good living can be made by the average man/woman has been eroded slowly by globalism. Globalism destroys national borders and allows free flow of labor and finance. Good news for multi nationals but destroys small Ma and Pa and medium sized businesses in industrialized nations. Much of the unrest now is because many don't see a future for themselves with this system. Blindly attacking and destroying any hope they have and doing work their real enemies - globalists. Witness the 1.5 billion just given by multi-nationals to BLM! |
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Title: Re: the left Post by Karnal on Jun 19th, 2020 at 12:20am Richdude wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 10:51pm:
Er, you're talking to someone who's eulogising the Belt & Road Initiative, dear. Aquascoot's just told us how superior the Chows are for rolling out surveillance systems throughout the world's great cities. He's cheering on the Kenyan people for grinning at Chinese highways while Uncle's Jigaboos complain about being killed by cops, so ridiculous and unfair of them to talk back, identity politics innit. You must have been distracted by his Piaget and Nietzsche quotes. An easy mistake to make, no? |
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