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Title: Muslim slave trade Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 20th, 2020 at 2:19pm Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world |
Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by freediver on Jun 20th, 2020 at 2:23pm
Even today, Muslims cannot bring themselves to say that slavery is inherently wrong.
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Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by JaSin. on Jun 20th, 2020 at 5:02pm
Arabs learnt to use Slavery from the West Africans who invented it. Used extensively in early Egypt. The Middle-East taught Europe and Asia also.
Criminals were the basis of the first slaves in West African culture. You commit a crime, you become enslaved for a time or life, pending your crime. No such thing as putting someone in a small room locked to do nothing. Beyond Slavery was execution. Most Slaves were used as the first fodder in Tribal battles around West Africa. Thus when Europeans came to do 'business' - West Africa was all too happy to 'sell' their Slaves off to the Traders to North America. Popular demand found people being criminalised for the most petty things - just to be sold off as Slaves. What happened latter is remembered more than what happened in West Africa. Australia should adopt Slavery. It's not like we can send our over-flowing Gaols of criminals to another country, like the British did with theirs to here. It's costing a lot of money having them sit around and do nothing except bugger, fight, kill and get uni degrees paid for by the tax-payer. Slavery is good when used properly. The Slavics are a people named after being known as 'The Slaves'. Probably why they will succeed here in Australia more than the Western Europeans. |
Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by Yadda on Jun 20th, 2020 at 5:07pm Moslems are the innocent, and righteous people. Their faith gives them a privilege, to subdue and to enslave those who are guilty of not being moslems. [.....that belief is what ISLAM inculcates, into the psyche of every follower of ISLAM.] . "Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 . Non-moslems are GUILTY people, who cause wars. It is ISLAMIC doctrine, so it must be correct. '....those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.' cited..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1525612158/2#2 |
Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by polite_gandalf on Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:50pm freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 2:23pm:
Slavery is inherently wrong. Exactly how many muslims did you mean when you used the deliberately ambiguous term "muslims" - as opposed to say, 'some muslims' - or, what I suspect you actually meant 'one muslim called Abu'? |
Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by JaSin. on Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:55pm
Islam is a slave to the past
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Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by freediver on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:23pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:50pm:
Did Muhammad do something that is inherently wrong? And it is not just Abu. You see it all the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world Earlier in the 20th century, prior to the "reopening" of slavery by Salafi scholars like Shaykh al-Fawzan, Islamist authors declared slavery outdated without actually clearly supporting its abolition. This has caused at least one scholar (William Clarence-Smith[96]) to bemoan the "dogged refusal of Mawlana Mawdudi to give up on slavery"[97] and the notable "evasions and silences of Muhammad Qutb".[98][99] Muhammad Qutb, brother and promoter of the famous Sayyid Qutb, vigorously defended Islamic slavery from Western criticism, telling his audience that "Islam gave spiritual enfranchisement to slaves" and "in the early period of Islam the slave was exalted to such a noble state of humanity as was never before witnessed in any other part of the world."[100] He contrasted the adultery, prostitution,[101] and (what he called) "that most odious form of animalism" casual sex, found in Europe,[102] with (what he called) "that clean and spiritual bond that ties a maid [i.e. slave girl] to her master in Islam."[101] Salafi support for slavery In recent years, according to some scholars,[103] there has been a "reopening"[104] of the issue of slavery by some conservative Salafi Islamic scholars after its "closing" earlier in the 20th century when Muslim countries banned slavery. In 2003, Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzan, a member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, the Senior Council of Clerics, issued a fatwa claiming "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."[105] Muslim scholars who said otherwise were "infidels". While Saleh Al-Fawzan's fatwa does not repeal Saudi laws against slavery,[citation needed] the fatwa carries weight among many Salafi Muslims. According to reformist jurist and author Khaled Abou El Fadl, it "is particularly disturbing and dangerous because it effectively legitimates the trafficking in and sexual exploitation of so-called domestic workers in the Gulf region and especially Saudi Arabia."[106] Organized criminal gangs smuggle children into Saudi Arabia where they are enslaved, sometimes mutilated, and forced to work as beggars. When caught, the children are deported as illegal aliens.[107] |
Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by JaSin. on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:38pm
I wish I had some slaves. If they need to be punished, they get zapped taser-like by electronic torcs around their necks.
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Title: Re: Muslim slave trade Post by JaSin. on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 5:14pm
The sexual appetites of the black Bantus? While the Brown Arabs were 'buggering' the younger ones?
Celibacy is better than castration as the 'hormones' of a Celibate is more 'manly' than a Eunuch. Takes more discipline and commitment to be Celibate, than a Eunuch who just 'can't' and ...thinks like a woman? :-? |
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