Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees.

Defund them.

defund trump

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them.

I used to stick up for the UN as a needed institution, a way to let nations solve differences, find ways to stop the killing. Unfortunately, just because of the number of impoverished nations, religious nations, that get to vote we get things like the WHO GS beholden to China, propositions of blasphemy laws, states voting as who paid them to vote, telling countries they need to take in the refuse from other countries, so I'm considering reconsidering my position.

John Smith wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

defund trump

Sounds like a plan, boycott his hotels etc. Oh, I've never used one anyway.

Setanta wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: defund trump Sounds like a plan, boycott his hotels etc. Oh, I've never used one anyway.

Trump Golf Count: 254*

Cost to Taxpayer: About $136,000,000**

https://trumpgolfcount.com/


As most of his golf is played at his own resorts, a large portion of that is to his hotels to put him and his entourage up ...

but hey, he doesn't accept his salary  :D :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: defund trump Sounds like a plan, boycott his hotels etc. Oh, I've never used one anyway. Trump Golf Count: 254* Cost to Taxpayer: About $136,000,000** https://trumpgolfcount.com/ As most of his golf is played at his own resorts, a large portion of that is to his hotels to put him and his entourage up ... but hey, he doesn't accept his salary  :D :D :D :D :D

And I don't play golf.

I think world leaders should play marbles.

You couldn't make this up.



North Korea takes over as UN disarmament president
Geneva- North Korea, which is under sanctions for developing nuclear weapons in defiance of United Nations Security Council Resolutions, has taken over as head of a UN body aimed at striking disarmament deals amid scorn from critics.

This year North Korea has tested a flurry of ballistic missiles -- also banned by UNSC resolutions -- and appears to be preparing to conduct a new nuclear test for the first time since 2017.

It gained the presidency of the Conference on Disarmament because it rotates alphabetically among its 65 members.
"The DPRK remains committed to contributing to global peace and disarmament and attaches importance to the work of the conference," Ambassador Han Tae Song told the Geneva meeting, saying it was an "honor and a privilege" to hold the role.
The nuclear-armed state fired several missiles last week, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile.

Western envoys took turns to condemn Pyongyang's actions on Thursday, with Australia describing them as "destabilizing".
However, they did not heed a call to walk-out of the meeting as requested by dozens of NGOs, witnesses said. Instead, some diplomatic missions sent lower-level representatives than the ambassadors who would typically be expected to attend.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them.

Give me three reasons why.  Tell me one way the UN has affected you negatively?

Why don't boomers know what the UN is?

John Smith wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

defund trump

He's done that.  He is a broke ass bitch

Setanta wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: defund trump Sounds like a plan, boycott his hotels etc. Oh, I've never used one anyway.

Perhaps you have NFI what the UN is? If it was as powerful as conspiracy theorists suggest, it could change those things

Frank wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

You couldn't make this up. North Korea takes over as UN disarmament president Geneva- North Korea, which is under sanctions for developing nuclear weapons in defiance of United Nations Security Council Resolutions, has taken over as head of a UN body aimed at striking disarmament deals amid scorn from critics. This year North Korea has tested a flurry of ballistic missiles -- also banned by UNSC resolutions -- and appears to be preparing to conduct a new nuclear test for the first time since 2017. It gained the presidency of the Conference on Disarmament because it rotates alphabetically among its 65 members. "The DPRK remains committed to contributing to global peace and disarmament and attaches importance to the work of the conference," Ambassador Han Tae Song told the Geneva meeting, saying it was an "honor and a privilege" to hold the role. The nuclear-armed state fired several missiles last week, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile. Western envoys took turns to condemn Pyongyang's actions on Thursday, with Australia describing them as "destabilizing". However, they did not heed a call to walk-out of the meeting as requested by dozens of NGOs, witnesses said. Instead, some diplomatic missions sent lower-level representatives than the ambassadors who would typically be expected to attend.

I love you have NFI what the UN is.  The UN has NO power but subtle pressure.  Giving North Korea a role like this gives them no power, and gives the UN leverage on this issue with them

The research team grimly observed that the presence of U.N. staff in DRC correlated with increased rates of sex trafficking in the areas of deployment, including the particularly abhorrent phenomenon of child prostitution involving girls as young as six years old, known colloquially as “kidigo usharatis,” or “little prostitutes,” in Congolese.

The study’s authors wrote:

The presence of [U.N.] peacekeepers [in the DRC] has repeatedly been associated with a rapid increase in sex trafficking and brothels near military bases, child prostitution, the exchange of sex for goods or food, the creation and distribution of pornographic films, growing harassment and catcalling in the streets, and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV.
....
Fuelled by extremely high levels of poverty, displacement and a lack of effective judicial systems, DRC has the highest number of allegations of UN peacekeeper-perpetrated sexual exploitation and abuse of any country in the world (about a third of all such allegations since the turn of the century). Yet no systematic research on paternity claims linked to Monusco (the current UN mission in DRC, which took over from the previous mission in 2010) has existed until now.  DRC is the epitome of a war-torn country with a thriving peacekeeping sex economy
....

The research, which dates back to 2018, implicates UN personnel from 12 countries, the majority of whom were Tanzanian and South African. Mothers said these absent fathers held roles ranging from soldiers, officers and pilots to drivers, cooks, doctors and photographers.

https://theconversation.com/sexual-exploitation-by-un-peacekeepers-in-drc-fatherless-children-speak-for-first-time-about-the-pain-of-being-abandoned-188248

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 8:12am: You couldn't make this up. North Korea takes over as UN disarmament president Geneva- North Korea, which is under sanctions for developing nuclear weapons in defiance of United Nations Security Council Resolutions, has taken over as head of a UN body aimed at striking disarmament deals amid scorn from critics. This year North Korea has tested a flurry of ballistic missiles -- also banned by UNSC resolutions -- and appears to be preparing to conduct a new nuclear test for the first time since 2017. It gained the presidency of the Conference on Disarmament because it rotates alphabetically among its 65 members. "The DPRK remains committed to contributing to global peace and disarmament and attaches importance to the work of the conference," Ambassador Han Tae Song told the Geneva meeting, saying it was an "honor and a privilege" to hold the role. The nuclear-armed state fired several missiles last week, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile. Western envoys took turns to condemn Pyongyang's actions on Thursday, with Australia describing them as "destabilizing". However, they did not heed a call to walk-out of the meeting as requested by dozens of NGOs, witnesses said. Instead, some diplomatic missions sent lower-level representatives than the ambassadors who would typically be expected to attend. I love you have NFI what the UN is.  The UN has NO power but subtle pressure.  Giving North Korea a role like this gives them no power, and gives the UN leverage on this issue with them

You know your answer is not good enough. NK is untrustworthy for the position at the UN. You could just admit it, and come up with a better suggestion. I think you made a knee-jerk reaction.

but...... but..... but.... but....... the great divide wants us to surrender our personal and national sovereignty to the UN Security Council so that peace can prevail worldwide via their invading and taming any who disagree.... he wants to force peace on the planet even if it kills everyone on it in the wars necessary to bring about peace.... then the trials of any dissenters - traitors to the cause of world peace - can go forward and they be... disposed of..... liquidated as enemies of humanity...

Can't see the Afghans accepting that one ... and I mean ... divide is fighting for the right of our Cheers here to their 'sovereignty' while at the same time telling us that sovereignty - personal and national - is an outworn and neoliberal thing that keeps us all in chains...

Funny guy .... can't tell if he's Arfur or Marfa ....

This is a classic 1984 scenario ...... North Korea will disarm the world for you..... and keep enough arms to make sure you carry out your orders fully - or else!!!

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

It's really a case of 'defund' the Blue North Democrat (Yankee) Gay Party - and hold them accountable for their 'international' crimes (like their former justification to exist: Grey South Confederacy was held accountable for its 'domestic crimes').

The USA is currently still overstepping its international rights.
It is NOT the United Nations. It has no right to be meddling in 'ASIAN' affairs. That is, it has no right to have anything to do with TAIWAN (the last stronghold of the Nationalists who once tried to destroy the Communists in China).

Taiwan must be a United Nation's issue, not a USA issue.

The United States not only hardly funds any United Nations actions, it mostly undermines it.
The USA is a 'rogue' Nation politically. Another 'bully'.

If the UN is considered useless, it's mostly because it is undermined by the USA.

USA needs to stay out of Asia.
But hey, the Grey South had domestic crimes against Blacks.
No wonder the Blue North (Democrats) have international crimes against Yellows: Korea, Vietnam, etc.

But let us imagine for a moment that the international community were to do something meaningful to end the war in Gaza, what would it be? At this point people start talking about the necessity of a UN peacekeeping mission and the like, whether in Gaza or the West Bank. And this is where the effects of the UN’s self-delegitimisation really kicks in. Because we know from Srebrenica that UN peacekeepers can be utterly useless at preventing violence. They can indeed (as the Dutch troops did then) stand by as unbelievable crimes are taking place.

Because the thing with peacekeepers is that they have to be willing to shoot. And which country’s soldiers are going to be prepared to fire in order to impose ‘peace’ on Gaza? Will Canadian troops be willing to threaten violence against Palestinians? Will German troops be ready to fire on Jews? Or should the various armies of Africa be given the task? Another problem thrown up by an entity [the UN] that has spent so many years trying to delegitimise Israel is that it doesn’t seem to have noticed that it has done a better job of -delegitimising itself.
Douglas Murray

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

But let us imagine for a moment that the international community were to do something meaningful to end the war in Gaza, what would it be? At this point people start talking about the necessity of a UN peacekeeping mission and the like, whether in Gaza or the West Bank. And this is where the effects of the UN’s self-delegitimisation really kicks in. Because we know from Srebrenica that UN peacekeepers can be utterly useless at preventing violence. They can indeed (as the Dutch troops did then) stand by as unbelievable crimes are taking place. Because the thing with peacekeepers is that they have to be willing to shoot. And which country’s soldiers are going to be prepared to fire in order to impose ‘peace’ on Gaza? Will Canadian troops be willing to threaten violence against Palestinians? Will German troops be ready to fire on Jews? Or should the various armies of Africa be given the task? Another problem thrown up by an entity [the UN] that has spent so many years trying to delegitimise Israel is that it doesn’t seem to have noticed that it has done a better job of -delegitimising itself. Douglas Murray

Excactly.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:13pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 11:26am: But let us imagine for a moment that the international community were to do something meaningful to end the war in Gaza, what would it be? At this point people start talking about the necessity of a UN peacekeeping mission and the like, whether in Gaza or the West Bank. And this is where the effects of the UN’s self-delegitimisation really kicks in. Because we know from Srebrenica that UN peacekeepers can be utterly useless at preventing violence. They can indeed (as the Dutch troops did then) stand by as unbelievable crimes are taking place. Because the thing with peacekeepers is that they have to be willing to shoot. And which country’s soldiers are going to be prepared to fire in order to impose ‘peace’ on Gaza? Will Canadian troops be willing to threaten violence against Palestinians? Will German troops be ready to fire on Jews? Or should the various armies of Africa be given the task? Another problem thrown up by an entity [the UN] that has spent so many years trying to delegitimise Israel is that it doesn’t seem to have noticed that it has done a better job of -delegitimising itself. Douglas Murray Excactly.

FD would ask you Belgarion "How green is your Cactus?" :D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them.

Good idea, Sprint. Defund them.

Then, we can ban them.

Kill them.

Cesterete them.

Still, we might find the UN comes in handy when the Chows get to work, no? First stop Taiwan, then onto the South China Sea, our major trade route with the world.

When this happens, I'd say we might miss the UN.

You?

Karnal wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 2:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them. Good idea, Sprint. Defund them. Then, we can ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them. Still, we might find the UN comes in handy when the Chows get to work, no? First stop Taiwan, then onto the South China Sea, our major trade route with the world. When this happens, I'd say we might miss the UN. You?

You are talking bollocks as usual.
When did the UN prevent or stop ANY international conflict?

As the poet Dzhugashvili pointed out all these years ago, the UN has exactly the same number of divisions as the pope.

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 2:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them. Good idea, Sprint. Defund them. Then, we can ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them. Still, we might find the UN comes in handy when the Chows get to work, no? First stop Taiwan, then onto the South China Sea, our major trade route with the world. When this happens, I'd say we might miss the UN. You? You are talking bollocks as usual. When did the UN prevent or stop ANY international conflict? As the poet Dzhugashvili pointed out all these years ago, the UN has exactly the same number of divisions as the pope.

I've explained it many times, Lizard brain:

The UN was neutered when the US and USSR - victors in WW2, but opponents in economic ideology - demanded access to the veto.

You can't have rule of law if the justices have a veto....

..so... back to war, you lizard brains.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:32pm:

but...... but..... but.... but.......

oh dear, here comes the lizard brain in all its exquisite psychosis...


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the great divide wants us to surrender our personal and national sovereignty to the UN Security Council

1. You already "surrender your 'personal sovereignty'"  when you accept citizenship of your nation, and abide by the laws of the land as determined by the legislature and judiciary. 

2. As for national sovereignty, it's an ancient and obsolete concept based on lizard-brain competition and might is right, no longer fit for purpose in the age of MAD and global economic/environmental crises.

Listen up: the outlawing of war as a means of dispute settlement between nations will not impinge on your "personal sovereignty", any more than your national government already does.....

Hint: international law removes the need to die defending the  'freedom or death' psychosis, in reaction to some other nut-job's 'freedom or death' psychosis.


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so that peace can prevail worldwide via their invading and taming any who disagree....

Nah...everyone wants peace, wellbeing and security,  only nut jobs want to die - or rather (hopefully as they see it) murder - for their preferred ideology.


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he wants to force peace on the planet even if it kills everyone on it in the wars necessary to bring about peace....

See above; you would be surprised by the number of people who would prefer life and peace to freedom or death .


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then the trials of any dissenters - traitors to the cause of world peace - can go forward and they be... disposed of..... liquidated as enemies of humanity...

The "dissenters" would be laughed out of court for the fools they are... of course war doesn't "defend humanity",  it kills - possibly in a very big bang.....


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Can't see the Afghans accepting that one ...

We were close in 1946; if we had got international law back then, the Afghans would be prospering now. 


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and I mean ... divide is fighting for the right of our Cheers here to their 'sovereignty'

At least don't misrepresent my position; you well know I despise "culture" and "sovereignty" when they override universal well-being and security.


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while at the same time telling us that sovereignty - personal and national - is an outworn and neoliberal thing that keeps us all in chains...

All fully examined and explained above...NOW do you understand? (cough...)


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Funny guy .... can't tell if he's Arfur or Marfa ....

..says the guy who thinks he's "free" because he thinks he can change the laws of his own nation...when in fact he needs 50% + 1 of his compatriots to change the law -to maximise his own self-interested ideas on wellbeing and "freedom".


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This is a classic 1984 scenario ...... North Korea will disarm the world for you..... and keep enough arms to make sure you carry out your orders fully - or else!!! ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

That fell flat; only the UNSC would have access to nuclear arms, under international law dedicated to maintaining universal peace, well-being and security, as per the articles of the UNUDHR.

Note: national governments would still have to deal with the trouble makers in their OWN nations... which is why YOUR "freedom" is already limited by law. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 3:35pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 2:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them. Good idea, Sprint. Defund them. Then, we can ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them. Still, we might find the UN comes in handy when the Chows get to work, no? First stop Taiwan, then onto the South China Sea, our major trade route with the world. When this happens, I'd say we might miss the UN. You? You are talking bollocks as usual. When did the UN prevent or stop ANY international conflict? As the poet Dzhugashvili pointed out all these years ago, the UN has exactly the same number of divisions as the pope. I've explained it many times, Lizard brain: The UN was neutered when the US and USSR - victors in WW2, but opponents in economic ideology - demanded access to the veto. You can't have rule of law if the justices have a veto.... ..so... back to war, you lizard brains.

What I like about you parrot is that you are so reliably, consistently stupid. You will never be caught saying something intelligent, coherent, sensible.


". Because we know from Srebrenica that UN peacekeepers can be utterly useless at preventing violence. They can indeed (as the Dutch troops did then) stand by as unbelievable crimes are taking place."

Which veto power prevented the UN peacekeepers from keeping the peace? What WAS the point of them being there?



The rule of law is meaningless without the power to enforce the law. The UN cannot enforce anything, certainly not peace or prevent an aggressor from being aggressive.





‘Rape capital of the world’
Fuelled by extremely high levels of poverty, displacement and a lack of effective judicial systems, DRC has the highest number of allegations of UN peacekeeper-perpetrated sexual exploitation and abuse of any country in the world (about a third of all such allegations since the turn of the century). Yet no systematic research on paternity claims linked to Monusco (the current UN mission in DRC, which took over from the previous mission in 2010) has existed until now.

DRC is the epitome of a war-torn country with a thriving peacekeeping sex economy.



Now there's a phrase pointing to the good works of the UN: creating "thriving peacekeeper sex economies."
How good is the UN??!!

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 3:35pm: Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 2:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 7:32pm: Sack them, suffocate them, cut them off at the knees. Defund them. Good idea, Sprint. Defund them. Then, we can ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them. Still, we might find the UN comes in handy when the Chows get to work, no? First stop Taiwan, then onto the South China Sea, our major trade route with the world. When this happens, I'd say we might miss the UN. You? You are talking bollocks as usual. When did the UN prevent or stop ANY international conflict? As the poet Dzhugashvili pointed out all these years ago, the UN has exactly the same number of divisions as the pope. I've explained it many times, Lizard brain: The UN was neutered when the US and USSR - victors in WW2, but opponents in economic ideology - demanded access to the veto. You can't have rule of law if the justices have a veto.... ..so... back to war, you lizard brains. What I like about you parrot is that you are so reliably, consistently stupid. You will never be caught saying something intelligent, coherent, sensible.

Er... Frank...ok: now let's read on,  to (hopefully) learn from your intelligence, rationality, and wisdom......


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". Because we know from Srebrenica that UN peacekeepers can be utterly useless at preventing violence. They can indeed (as the Dutch troops did then) stand by as unbelievable crimes are taking place."

Of course, BECAUSE the UN was neutered by the UNSC veto in 1946, and was therefore rendered unable to adjudicate the following ideology-based conflicts thereafter,  especially those conflicts which divided the UNSC. 

Note: the UN voted for the Palestine partition plan, but the UNSC could not defend the plan because 'national soveignty' was held to be above international law.

The disintegration of Yugoslavia was part of an ideological dispute; sticking a few hundred soldiers between the warring sides doesn't cut the mustard.   


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Which veto power prevented the UN peacekeepers from keeping the peace? What WAS the point of them being there?

1. The veto power which allows nations to go to war.....

2. The point was to try to show the UN could defend peace (and have relevance), while simultaneously accepting the insane concept of 'legal' war. It's impossible.


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The rule of law is meaningless without the power to enforce the law.

Correct.


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The UN cannot enforce anything, certainly not peace or prevent an aggressor from being aggressive.

Correct.

So...any ideas on how the UN could be instituted to  defend the peace? (cough...)


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‘Rape capital of the world’ Fuelled by extremely high levels of poverty, displacement and a lack of effective judicial systems, DRC has the highest number of allegations of UN peacekeeper-perpetrated sexual exploitation and abuse of any country in the world (about a third of all such allegations since the turn of the century). Yet no systematic research on paternity claims linked to Monusco (the current UN mission in DRC, which took over from the previous mission in 2010) has existed until now. DRC is the epitome of a war-torn country with a thriving peacekeeping sex economy. Now there's a phrase pointing to the good works of the UN: creating "thriving peacekeeper sex economies." How good is the UN??!!

Indeed; a total failure.

So...back to war you go, lizard brain....

If there was no United Nations, League of Nations, Federation of Nations, etc.
The World would be far worse off.
It's not perfect. Nor will it, until the World's nations figure all themselves out to their true natures.
But progress is being made.
Just because a World War is around the corner, it isn't because of the failure of the United Nations.
There will be many World Wars to come.
But 'anything' that represents a Collective of the whole of the nations on this little world, is better than nothing at all.

The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl

The UN is a scam and a sham.

Saudi Arabia. a nation [/]
member of UN  [/]
has women [/]
is on Commission of Status of Women [/]
Christian colony of Charles Windsor     [x]

Frank wrote on Mar 30^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham.

;D ;D ;D ;D You could not make this poo up!  The UN is well past its use by date.

If there are women in Saudi, then they have a certain status. it's as legal as the status in Australia or Paraguay.  If fringe twits are elected to Canberra and so on, they are elected equally with the other humans, by people equal to you.

Frank wrote on Mar 30^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham.

All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain.

Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR?

No? Lizard brain says no?

Better a faulty UN than no UN at all.

Jasin wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:33am:

Better a faulty UN than no UN at all.

Yes; but can we create a 'new, improved' UN, so we can avoid being forced to watch a million Palestinians starve to death, among other catastrophes? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:45am:

Yes; but can we create a 'new, improved' UN

You mean like an all-powerful world government?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:11am:

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no?

How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction?
Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, and call it meritorious common prosperity consensus? Do member states have sovereign, independent rights not dictated by CCP ideology or do they all need to absorb, by osmosis, the wishes of CCP and act accordingly?

How do they come to a unanimous decision to make the Saudis the chair of a UN body on the status of women?
It's like making China the chair of Open and Honest Debate or the Pakistanis of Freedom of Religion and Speech.

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:44pm:

coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively,

This is it. It's so simple and sensible. All Chinese can easily understand it and they teach lizards.

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction?

The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.   


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Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality -

No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos. 

"Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'.



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or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively,

No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto. 

As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:39am:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively,

No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto. 

As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty.

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:D :D :D

You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate.
Love humanity - hate people.

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:14am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty.

:D :D :D

You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate.
Love humanity - hate people.[/quote]

Certainly I detest some people, as you do....

And humanity is the total of individuals...

Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:39am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people.

Certainly I detest some people, as you do....

And humanity is the total of individuals...

Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes? 



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Hamas leaders in Qatar are not starving. Far from it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:39am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people.

Certainly I detest some people, as you do....

And humanity is the total of individuals...

Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes? 



[/quote]

What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death?

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:07am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?

What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death?[/quote]
Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants. 
But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...).

Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:14am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death?

Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants. 
But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...).

Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)

[/quote]

Thanks Frank.

What did the CCP do while a deadly and highly contagious new virus was emerging China in the lead-up to Chinese new year, when the citizens traditionally travel a lot?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:45am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:33am: Better a faulty UN than no UN at all. Yes; but can we create a 'new, improved' UN, so we can avoid being forced to watch a million Palestinians starve to death, among other catastrophes?

The 'rot' began when the UN allowed the BIG BULLIES like Russia, China & USA to start throwing their weight around with more bias towards their own agenda.
In other words - the UN has become a 'power-play' entity and a strict equality regardless, was thrown out the window.

Once again, just like the League of Nations - the more Powerful Nations deemed it should be exploited towards them just because they were sitting at the top of the ladder.
A 'reward' system of capitalism in that the ones at the top get even more than those at the bottom.
Equality is dismantled.

The current U.N. is too far gone possibly to come back from having been corrupted in this very same way as the LON's.
The BIG BULLIES now have too much of an exploitive hold to their advantage to give it up under the current representation.
Of course, if the UN did come back from this and put the big players back in their boxes like everyone else - then it might come out better than before.

Personally, I think the Commonwealth Nations do better than the United Nations as a 'entity' and as France soon fails  with Italy after and even Russia for the East. I see the prevailing Commonwealth getting better and stronger each time... so much so, even the USA finally wakes up to itself and joins as well.  ;) The 'real' New World Order. ;) ;D

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death? Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants.  But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...). Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)

Thanks Frank.

What did the CCP do while a deadly and highly contagious new virus was emerging China in the lead-up to Chinese new year, when the citizens traditionally travel a lot?[/quote]
Welded them into their flats for common prosperity, of course. Everybody agreed.  They were begging for it, 'comrade Xi, weld us in, weld us in',  they demanded. What else could a meritocratic common prosperity government do but act on the common will? What would YOU have done, lizzard brain? Not weld them in, just to spite the collective and to satisfy your individual rights delusion? Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:46am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:16am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death? Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants.  But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...). Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::) Thanks Frank. What did the CCP do while a deadly and highly contagious new virus was emerging China in the lead-up to Chinese new year, when the citizens traditionally travel a lot?

Welded them into their flats for common prosperity, of course. Everybody agreed.  They were begging for it, 'comrade Xi, weld us in, weld us in',  they demanded. What else could a meritocratic common prosperity government do but act on the common will? What would YOU have done, lizzard brain? Not weld them in, just to spite the collective and to satisfy your individual rights delusion? Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)
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I would have covered it up until after Chinese new year, so I could weld even more Chinese people into common meritocratic prosperity.

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:48am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:46am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:16am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death? Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants.  But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...). Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::) Thanks Frank. What did the CCP do while a deadly and highly contagious new virus was emerging China in the lead-up to Chinese new year, when the citizens traditionally travel a lot? Welded them into their flats for common prosperity, of course. Everybody agreed.  They were begging for it, 'comrade Xi, weld us in, weld us in',  they demanded. What else could a meritocratic common prosperity government do but act on the common will? What would YOU have done, lizzard brain? Not weld them in, just to spite the collective and to satisfy your individual rights delusion? Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

I would have covered it up until after Chinese new year, so I could weld even more Chinese people into common meritocratic prosperity.[/quote]


Well, you made an administrative error, didn't you? Foxed by the paperwork, eh? Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:05am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?

Hamas leaders in Qatar are not starving. Far from it.
[/quote]

So? Neither are you; your classic fallacy of composition, again.

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:07am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?

What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death?[/quote]

They changed course, to eradicate poverty at the fastest rate of any nation in history. 

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:14am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death?

Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants. 
But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...).

Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::) [/quote]

Thanks Frank,  you appear to be learning (but why am I doubtful...)

Of course common prosperity is good for everyone, as opposed to the prosperity of the most competitive individuals. 

Don't get confused by your classic fallacy of composition again, each is not everyone.

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 11:07am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:39am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:14am: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 12:44pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:11am: Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 4:43pm: The UN’s Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) unanimously appointed Saudi Arabia to chair its 69th session in 2025, according to the Saudi Arabia Mission to the UN. Saudi ambassador to the UN, Abdulaziz Alwasil, was elected as chair Wednesday. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/middleeast/saudi-arabia-chair-un-gender-equality-forum-intl The UN is a scam and a sham. All previously explained to you (and graps), lizard brain. Anyone for effective  international law which can defend the principles of the UNUDHR? No? Lizard brain says no? How would the UN achieve consensus if the member states -  are there allowed to be member states? - cannot express by a vote, their preferences for this or that political direction? The necessity is for the UNSC (noting policies presented  by the UNGA) to achieve consensus in the same way a High Court achieves 'consensus' in a nationl polity, ie by a majority vote of the justices.    Quote: Are member states sovereign - the national equivalent of individuality - No - and for the same reason that individuals cannot be sovereign under rule of law, if we wish to avoid chaos.  "Absolute national sovereignty" belongs to the Dark Ages and 'might is right'. [quote]or are they all coming with the obligation to toe the Chinese Communist Party line collectively, No, they are coming with the obligation to submit to rule of law promoting the  UNUDHR,  as determined by an ICJ backed by an UNSC without veto.  As opposed to lizard brains  demanding personal sovereignty. :D :D :D You love abstract humanity - it's actual individuals you hate. Love humanity - hate people. Certainly I detest some people, as you do.... And humanity is the total of individuals... Anyone for rule of law, to avoid standing-by when Palestinians en masse starve to death, among other 'human' lizard- brain-caused catastrophes?  What did the CCP do while 50 million of it's own citizens were starving to death? Oh, that was just an administrative error. The paperwork got a bit muddled. Couldn't be helped in a country of illiterate peasants.  But now it's glorious Xi Pingpong Thought all the way to common prosperity and consensus (if you know what's good for you) through printing money by the glorious government everybody loves (or else...). Oh - and refuted above. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)

Thanks Frank.

What did the CCP do while a deadly and highly contagious new virus was emerging China in the lead-up to Chinese new year, when the citizens traditionally travel a lot?[/quote]

Gosh, Frank is copping a lot of praise.....:-)

Answer: they tried to hide it until it couldn't be hidden, just like the CIA wants to hide US war crimes, even after the crimes were exposed.....

Jasin wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:41am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:45am: Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:33am: Better a faulty UN than no UN at all. Yes; but can we create a 'new, improved' UN, so we can avoid being forced to watch a million Palestinians starve to death, among other catastrophes?  The 'rot' began when the UN allowed the BIG BULLIES like Russia, China & USA to start throwing their weight around with more bias towards their own agenda. In other words - the UN has become a 'power-play' entity and a strict equality regardless, was thrown out the window.

Yes, former Oz High Court judge 'Doc' Evatt fought like hell to withhold the veto from Russia and the US ( China was a politically powerless minnow at the time, presumably only a member of the new UNSC because it fought Japan in WW2; India was still ruled by Britain in 1946). 


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Once again, just like the League of Nations - the more Powerful Nations deemed it should be exploited towards them just because they were sitting at the top of the ladder.

Yes.


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A 'reward' system of capitalism in that the ones at the top get even more than those at the bottom. Equality is dismantled.

Yes.


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The current U.N. is too far gone possibly to come back from having been corrupted in this very same way as the LON's.

It's up to us to get rid of the UNSC veto, to reform the UN.


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The BIG BULLIES now have too much of an exploitive hold to their advantage to give it up under the current representation. Of course, if the UN did come back from this and put the big players back in their boxes like everyone else - then it might come out better than before.

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Personally, I think the Commonwealth Nations do better than the United Nations as a 'entity' and as France soon fails  with Italy after and even Russia for the East. I see the prevailing Commonwealth getting better and stronger each time... so much so, even the USA finally wakes up to itself and joins as well.  ;) The 'real' New World Order. ;) ;D

But only applying to Commonwealth Nations?

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:46am:

Welded them into their flats for common prosperity, of course.

Faced with maintaining the health of  1.5 billion people, many living in big cites...


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Everybody agreed.

No they didn't; and even in Oz, there were plenty of 'sovereign individual' goons who fought the police in their silly protests. 


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What else could a meritocratic common prosperity government do but act on the common will?

 
In a pandemic, all MUST submit to rule of law, to avoid decimation of the population.  


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What would YOU have done, lizzard brain? Not weld them in, just to spite the collective and to satisfy your individual rights delusion? Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

I would have required all non-essential workers to stay home during the pandemic, with essential living expenses paid for by the currency-issuing government.

And enforcing vaccine mandates when vaxccines became available.

Sounds similar to Oz, actually. 

[I'm not sure if the CCP paid adequate living expenses of locked-down workers].

So back to it, how will you reform the UN to outlaw war, as part of manifesting a "right to life"?