What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:02pm:

What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?

Self awareness ?

Reasoning ?




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an aside.....

I think i may have had a minor stroke last Sunday, midday.

I suddenly felt [slightly] 'confused'.

I had to think, deliberately, about usually routine daily tasks.



Those symptoms, now, seem to have completely passed.

Just having 'a senior moment' i guess.



Almost geriatric Yadda.

I often forget where I put my slippers.

Some people grow their brain, other's their mind.
Take Bojack. He has a well educated brain that followed a process to earn a Degree to prove that.
...but he lacks a mind of his own.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:30pm:

I often forget where I put my slippers.

Jedi Mind Trick.......

Whenever you put things down [especially objects [keys/slippers, etc] which you will later, definitely want to know where they are !! ],
very consciously say to yourself, as you put the object down;
"I am putting my keys/slippers down, here."


It works !!!

It is a Jedi mind trick !       ;)



Master Yadda   [or is it Master Yoda ?, i forgot !]

The Brain functions as an automated central operating system with hardware and peripheries. 

The Mind is the programming that is put into it for daily use, and sometimes needs updates or re-installation to run properly.  The eternal trouble is that each Mind has different software inserted into it and even starts from different hardware, so there is next to no uniformity in the Cyber-Mind of the Human Cyborg.  Not only that but the basic hardware can be damaged along the way, since the Human cyborg is required to live physically and make its own way and not simply remain suspended in Cyberspace.

Further reading: - Twelve Years a Cyborg and Slave To The Machine - By Arfur Brain.
Advanced reading:-  Machined to be Slaves and Twelve Cyborgs a Year.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 7:13pm:

The Brain functions as an automated central operating system with hardware and peripheries.  The Mind is the programming that is put into it for daily use, and sometimes needs updates or re-installation to run properly.  The eternal trouble is that each Mind has different software inserted into it and even starts from different hardware, so there is next to no uniformity in the Cyber-Mind of the Human Cyborg.  Not only that but the basic hardware can be damaged along the way, since the Human cyborg is required to live physically and make its own way and not simply remain suspended in Cyberspace. Further reading: - Twelve Years a Cyborg and Slave To The Machine - By Arthur Brain. Advanced reading:-  Machined to be Slaves and Twelve Cyborgs a Year.

grapp,

Your words reminded me, of what i said here......


Yadda said, somewhere.....

Quote:

Reading scripture is a form of spiritual invocation [i believe]. And imo, the words and thoughts expressed within scripture, express [to me] the mind of our God. And, reading those words and thoughts, exposes me to that spirit, which i [choose, and] want to be influenced by. i.e. The spirit of God. It is that simple.

Yadda wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 7:13pm: The Brain functions as an automated central operating system with hardware and peripheries.  The Mind is the programming that is put into it for daily use, and sometimes needs updates or re-installation to run properly.  The eternal trouble is that each Mind has different software inserted into it and even starts from different hardware, so there is next to no uniformity in the Cyber-Mind of the Human Cyborg.  Not only that but the basic hardware can be damaged along the way, since the Human cyborg is required to live physically and make its own way and not simply remain suspended in Cyberspace. Further reading: - Twelve Years a Cyborg and Slave To The Machine - By Arthur Brain. Advanced reading:-  Machined to be Slaves and Twelve Cyborgs a Year. grapp, Your words reminded me, of what i said here...... Yadda said, somewhere..... Quote: Reading scripture is a form of spiritual invocation [i believe]. And imo, the words and thoughts expressed within scripture, express [to me] the mind of our God. And, reading those words and thoughts, exposes me to that spirit, which i [choose, and] want to be influenced by. i.e. The spirit of God. It is that simple.

Yes - that's one example.  A more telling example is how individuals can 'read' the same faith, yet come up with totally opposed points of view as to its intent and purpose* - I won't say principally which kind these days... I'll just say that the victims of Christchurch were peaceful ones of that ilk and suffered and died for the wrong interpretations of others of the same group ... but I don't want to upset peccary again... though that could be Inevitable™.........

It could be argued that the same thing occurs with Christianity - but the differences are much more in the spiritual interpretation and not over such things as 'should a Christian kill ***lims because they are considered an enemy'?  Christianity is a religion of peace these days, having outgrown the Middle Ages and the NEED for Popes Militant etc to take up arms in defence of selves, people and homeland, let alone their faith.

Christianity Ez Paz!

Christianity is the most feminist religion - it has far more women priests etc than other religions do...  well.... apart from Feminism - it has many High Priestesses and Acolytes performing their Delphic Oracular commentaries and campaigns.   ;D  8-)  :-?

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:30pm:

I often forget where I put my slippers.

Most people do not forget it is that they never knew where they left their slippers to start with.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 7:32pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 6:30pm: I often forget where I put my slippers. Most people do not forget it is that they never knew where they left their slippers to start with.

I often forget where the ex put the car keys after she took them from the hook they live on.......... sort of the everyday equivalent of moving the furniture for Stevie Wonder.....

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpureLoathsomeIchidna-size_restricted.gif

What happens in the mind stays in the mind.............  8-)

Jasin wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:30pm:

Some people grow their brain, other's their mind. Take Bojack. He has a well educated brain that followed a process to earn a Degree to prove that. ...but he lacks a mind of his own.

The obsession would be funny if it wasn't so sadly pathetic.

The Brain operates the entire Human physical system. Our senses, our movement and more.
The Mind 'interprets' all that we experience through that Brain/Body ability. Our interpretation is influenced by what we experience through life and education, trial and error and more. Religion, Politics - all evolving and growing our Mind.

It's our Mind that really separated us from the Animal Kingdom... except Orca.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:02pm:

What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?

Real stuff
Stuff that matters.
Human stuff

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 6:02pm:

What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?

What defines a mind, that does not a living brain?

Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:09pm:

Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain

That makes no sense to me...
What defines a mind, that does not a living brain?

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 6:02pm: What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain? What defines a mind, that does not a living brain?

The Brain is the Apollo Mission - the Mind is the Lunar Lander.........

Its a well known phenomenom, called the Doorway Effect.

The best way to overcome this is to follow routeen.
Put keys in the same place every day.
Do things the same way
Simply follow a set pattern and it all happens so easily

Now, where they hell is that bloody mouse?


Quote:

Psychologists believe that passing through a doorway and entering a different room creates a 'mental block' in the brain, which means that walking through open doors resets the memory to make room for the creation of a new episode. This is generally referred to as the doorway effect.

You guys do great similes but are failing at facts...

The image does not, yet should include the eyes, olfactory, and stomach, as they too have a direct line to the the brain...

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Valkie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 8:17am:

The best way to overcome this is to follow routeen. Put keys in the same place every day. Do things the same way Simply follow a set pattern and it all happens so easily

Valkie,

A constant routine can help to develop a high level of skill,       ...but it isn't a given, that constant routine can develop a [desired] resourcefulness and adaptability [of the mind].

A healthy mind, imo, should also seek to develop resourcefulness and adaptability [of the mind], as well as [useful, valuable] high skill sets.



Consider;
One day, you may inadvertently, be forced to deposit your keys, in a different and unfamiliar location !

And then where will you be, when you need to retrieve those keys !!    ;)

I'll tell you.

You will be confused and perplexed, when you can't immediately recall where you left your keys !


:)         ;D

"What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?"

Nothing.

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:04am:

"What happens in the mind that does not happen in the brain?" Nothing.

A human brain is [a little over] 1 kg of a blancmange [like substance].

A mind can take      an individual [self-awareness]     to the ends of the universe !






n.b.
Yadda does not use psychotropic chemicals [aka 'recreational' drugs].

I'm just naturally high on life !!!!!!!!!!!       weeeeeeeeeee !


I,       .....read the bible.    !!!!

The mind does not operate "outside" of the brain.

No neurons firing - no mind.

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 10:09am:

You guys do great similes but are failing at facts... The image does not, yet should include the eyes, olfactory, and stomach, as they too have a direct line to the the brain...

Those are input peripherals.......... the Central Core is the Brain.... the software operating in the central core is the mind although a lot of it is automatic function designed to control the support mechanisms for the Central Core - direct operation and background systems.

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:16am:

The mind does not operate "outside" of the brain. No neurons firing - no mind.

You are mistaken.


I am aware, i have been aware,        of my own 'self-awareness' operating "outside" of my brain,
and indeed being present, remotely and distantly, from my physical body.

It is called OBE, an out of body experience.

It is quite common among some human beings.



I sometimes, also experience lucid dreams.       [i sometimes will experience where i am dreaming, and then, i will wake up, inside my dream.     will be, conscious, awake, within my dream.]

That too, is quite common among some human beings.




Again, i do not take psychotropic chemicals [aka 'recreational' drugs].

Its a Jedi Mind Trick.         ;)



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Job 7:17
What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
18  And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?


Psalms 8:4
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?


Psalms 63:1
O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;
2  To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.

Twaddle.

Yadda wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 10:38am:

Valkie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2020 at 8:17am: The best way to overcome this is to follow routeen. Put keys in the same place every day. Do things the same way Simply follow a set pattern and it all happens so easily Valkie, A constant routine can help to develop a high level of skill,       ...but it isn't a given, that constant routine can develop a [desired] resourcefulness and adaptability [of the mind]. A healthy mind, imo, should also seek to develop resourcefulness and adaptability [of the mind], as well as [useful, valuable] high skill sets. Consider; One day, you may inadvertently, be forced to deposit your keys, in a different and unfamiliar location ! And then where will you be, when you need to retrieve those keys !!    ;) I'll tell you. You will be confused and perplexed, when you can't immediately recall where you left your keys ! :)         ;D

I get it.......

That's why my wife continually puts stuff in "better" places.

And when the kids wash up, everything isn't where it SHOUKD be.

They are helping me advance my skill set..........

It's my shed that's the problem.
Every single bloody tool I use, hides from me when I put it down.

I spent an hour looking for a specific socket the other day.
It had rolled behind the component I was working on.

Bloody pixies

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:48am:

Twaddle.

Its a point of view.

Yours.




What some persons experience, isn't invalidated, because others have not.






"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
- some guy, who may have existed, allegedly

The mind is a fully enclosed subset of the brain.

End of story.  ;)

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:23pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain?

The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities.

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:16am:

The mind does not operate "outside" of the brain. No neurons firing - no mind.

A Pyramid or a Voyager Probe is how the human Mind operates  outside the Brain.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities.

Great post

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities.

The brain's ability to work will diminish if it's not being exercised constantly. Doing things habitually and routinely everyday is not exercising the brain, thus you are allowing yourself to become an "automated" vegetable


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• [ predic. ] (of a person) no longer able to perform well or creatively because of having done something for too long



The Libs and Labs are automated vegetables routinely and habitually following their respective ideologies everyday. Their brains are going stale because they're not feeding different information in, just the same old stuff that suits their ideological dictatorial psyches

At present, they're only using their reptilian lower brain during this Coronavirus, neither their thinking brain nor mind is being used, it's a matter of survival. Decades of reptilian survival has taught them which reptilian moves to make for a the next threat, and it's usually an autocratic approach with no holds barred

When you die your body, including your brain (that is, your corpse) will remain with us, the living.
You and your mind will be gone - except in our minds (not our brains and bodies).

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities.

You are wrong... yet again.

It is an electrically charged organ!

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2020 at 6:29pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities. You are wrong... yet again. It is an electrically charged organ!

https://assets.kogan.com/images/new-aim/NAI-EK-JK-63-BK-H/1-d7dce2c8c2-ek-jk-63-bk-h-00.jpg

In the name of love.
When a male puts his penis in a female's body to plant his seed.
A female puts her dream inside a male's mind....


And you all know what that is, don't you  ;)

Jasin wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 10:28pm:

In the name of love. When a male puts his penis in a female's body to plant his seed. A female puts her dream inside a male's mind.... And you all know what that is, don't you  ;)

World Domination!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be8Gbqdox68

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities.

Which is entirely a function of brain activity.

The Computer is like the Brain.
The Windows and all that you can experience from it, is like the Mind.

@ Reply #35,

LOL

Jasin wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 10:28pm:

In the name of love. When a male puts his penis in a female's body to plant his seed. A female puts her dream inside a male's mind....

The Hand That Rocks the Cradle Rules the World.
- a poem by William Ross Wallace (1819-1881)

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle-is-the-hand-that-rules-the-world/


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The humanity project....

PROPOSITION;
We are all creatures capable of rational thought, and of making consequential choice.


Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance,....







Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49  So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



Harvest, and sickle.



Revelation 14:15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Joel 3:13
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.







Sow.

Reap.

Man does it, and so has God.         :)




Mankind, are the harvest of HIS enterprise.

At the harvest of the earth....

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.



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Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21  Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


Men [all men] always think about what they want, instead of how they ought to act.

Why ?

Because it is a test.

The world [in front of our eyes], is a test, it is a distraction.


Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:32pm:

When you die your body, including your brain (that is, your corpse) will remain with us, the living. You and your mind will be gone - except in our minds (not our brains and bodies).

AN ALTERNATIVE 'ENDING'.

Scripture suggests, that;

When we die, we 'end'.   ....that is, we enter a 'sleep', until that time, when we are 'awakened' [again].


When our physical existence ends, when we 'die'.....

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



At the time of the end.....

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2  And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Michael, aka Jesus.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 9:38pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 2nd, 2020 at 9:32pm: freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2020 at 6:29pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities. You are wrong... yet again. It is an electrically charged organ! https://assets.kogan.com/images/new-aim/NAI-EK-JK-63-BK-H/1-d7dce2c8c2-ek-jk-63-bk-h-00.jpg

I'll pay that...  ;D ;D ;D

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:25pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2020 at 6:29pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:23pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 1st, 2020 at 10:09pm: Lib Lab politics happens in the mind but not in the brain That makes no sense to me... What defines a mind, that does not a living brain? The brain is just a lump of flesh. The mind is the seat of consciousness, feelings, perceptions of external reality, and the home of intersubjective realities. Which is entirely a function of brain activity.

So the mind and brain are the same thing?

Human [or animal] consciousness, we don't really understand what it is, do we ?

Is consciousness something connected to self-awareness ?

And none of us, really understand what our true circumstances are [in 'being' here].

Only a few generations ago, learned doctors in Europe, were not washing their bare hands, between pelvic examinations of pregnant women.

And only a few more generations, before that, the 'Americas' were virtually unknown to the wisest minds within 'the known world'.



We still struggle and strive with each other, for a few years, on this little rock, and then we die.

And we leave what follows afterward, to the generations who come after us.

And all of our accumulated human knowledge, is only supposition, built upon supposition.

There is little wisdom there.



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Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


Ecclesiastes 3:10
I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11  He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12  I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13  And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

Interesting quote there Yadda.

@ Reply #46,


Lots.

Some, seemingly contradictory [in character.  if we view scripture is reflective of the character of God ?].

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war....


Exodus 23:4
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.


Exodus 23:5
If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.



Drinking wine ?

I don't believe that God prohibits that.

Nor in men enjoying pleasure which they find, in this life.



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"And what is good, Phaedrus?
And what is not good?
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
- Plato


And it is not even in the bible !                  :)             ;D

Q.
Do we love God     [i.e ...more than the world] ?


[the answer, ] 'It isn't rocket science.'



Psalms 73:1
Truly God is good.....to such as are of a clean heart.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. Interesting quote there Yadda.

Don't start him. ::)

https://i.imgur.com/hyWrvzT.gif

Jasin wrote on Sep 6^th, 2020 at 1:16pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 11:36am: And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. Interesting quote there Yadda. Don't start him. ::)

Too late.

At least the content of my posts are coherent.




;D

.....sort of.



;)

Now look what you have done FD.