The whole left, world wide.
Past, present and future.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

I know, Sprint. But look on the bright side.

You'll always have Mr Trump, no?

Past, anyway.

Menstrual Cyclist is so extreme everyone else is left of him.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

How very religious of you

Spot

I hate the word HATE... how about you?... :'(

Hate is possibly the wrong word sprint

Incredibly misguided would be a better way of discussing the left

From an economic standpoint we know that socialism
which is the go to economic strategy of the left
Is an utter catastrophe and failure

It has been tried in numerous countries amongst numerous cultures on numerous occasions and the result is always the same

currently the average adult in Venezuela the latest country to embrace socialism
Weighs 12 lbs less then they did 12 months ago
And that's simply because socialism does not produce goods and services anywhere near as efficiently as capitalism

that fact is so strikingly obvious that it is indisputable

China and Russia experienced mass starvation killing tens of millions of people
Now they have gone the capitalist path they are probably having a problem with obesity

Not that capitalism doesn't have its problems
The main one being the universal law of the prito principal
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer
Once you start to succeed further success becomes easier

But that's not just a feature of capitalism
That's a law of nature

The biggest trees get all the sunlight and get bigger and bigger
The biggest fish get all the food and get bigger and bigger
The biggest cities get all the people and get bigger and bigger
the biggest rock stars get all the audience and get bigger and bigger
the biggest authors get all the readers and get bigger and bigger

We can discuss some sort of redistribution
And that's fair enough
but we can't dispute the capitalism is the system we should adopt

those of the left usually are actually acting out of compassion
And compassion is a virtuous feeling
We should feel compassion for a small helpless infant or a small helpless animal
We should feel compassion for someone we find injured by the roadside
We should feel compassion for the frail and the elderly and the sick

but we should not feel compassion for people who are able bodied and able to stand on their own two feet
It doesn't matter about their skin colour
It doesn't matter about their gender
It doesn't matter if they are a member of some oppressed group

If you are able bodied and able to do things for yourself
The path
forward for you that will lead to success
Is to do things for yourself

And that's where the left strategy causes so much catastrophe
Because they keep people stuck in place through this fake compassion
Which is serving their own needs for moral superiority and smug self-satisfaction
But is doing absolutely nothing to help the people who they purport to be helping

That's what I find so repulsive about the left

They smugly claim to be morally superior
Whilst all around them the evidence is crystal clear

Treating aborigines
Minorities
or any other group who aren't doing so well

As helpless infants

Is a catastrophe and is morally reprehensible

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

Trump is giving ass-to-mouth to Qanon right now.

Marla wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 6:26am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Trump is giving ass-to-mouth to Qanon right now.

Q anon lost their way
And trump was probably not that good for them

What qanon should have done
Is look at trump and say

if I bounce out of bed every morning with a plan
If every time I fail in the business venture I get up and try again
If I am self confident and project that into the world
I can end up with a hot wife beautiful children a great job and a gold toilet

That's the message that should have been taken from the trump presidency

Instead q anon did not bounce out of bed every morning with any plan
Any discipline
Any industriousness

They sat around in a circle jerk on the internet
Feeding their emotional discontent

In this regard they are probably alinged with someone like marla.

Going nowhere and becoming progressively more deranged

I support certain conservative perspectives and policies, but left unchecked, they are just as bad as the "Left," only in different ways. The GFC and the excesses Wall Street cannot be blamed on the Left. The War in Iraq cannot be blamed on the Left or Saddam Hussein. Running an oil pipeline across Indian land in the Dakotas can be blamed on the Right.But so many on the Right loved "Dances with Wolves."

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 8:03am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D

I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest
he'd say to himself -
"I'm too old for the job of POTUS."

He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 6:47am:

Marla wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 6:26am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Trump is giving ass-to-mouth to Qanon right now. Q anon lost their way And trump was probably not that good for them What qanon should have done Is look at trump and say if I bounce out of bed every morning with a plan If every time I fail in the business venture I get up and try again If I am self confident and project that into the world I can end up with a hot wife beautiful children a great job and a gold toilet That's the message that should have been taken from the trump presidency Instead q anon did not bounce out of bed every morning with any plan Any discipline Any industriousness They sat around in a circle jerk on the internet Feeding their emotional discontent In this regard they are probably alinged with someone like marla. Going nowhere and becoming progressively more deranged

I know, dear. Qanon were much better when they were just making predictions.

They got all weird when they didn't come true. I mean, why Mr Trump didn't arrest Hillary, Oprah and the pope is anybody's guess.

Now all Q has to do is successfully predict arrest of Mr Trump. Q seems to have gone rather quiet on that.

You?

There's that Christian charity again, Sprint.

Have you ever heard of this guy called Jesus? You should check him out. He says all sorts of things you don't.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 8:15am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest he'd say to himself - "I'm too old for the job of POTUS." He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now.

I know, but SleepyJoe's too busy trying to get everyone to bounce out of bed every morning, get rid of the virus, get the economy going and buy gold toilets and hot-babe wives.

Aquascoot sounds rather disappointed Sleepy Joe beat Mr Trump to the plan. Still, in Mr Trump's defence, he had four years of Qanon distractions to get through before he could finally focus on making America great again, so there's that.

I'm sure Aquascoot will accept Sleepy Joe's place on the "narrow path to success" eventually.

You?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 8:15am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest he'd say to himself - "I'm too old for the job of POTUS." He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now.

Even if he was, it would still be a vast improvement on the last four years.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 7:48am:

I support certain conservative perspectives and policies, but left unchecked, they are just as bad as the "Left," only in different ways. The GFC and the excesses Wall Street cannot be blamed on the Left. The War in Iraq cannot be blamed on the Left or Saddam Hussein. Running an oil pipeline across Indian land in the Dakotas can be blamed on the Right.But so many on the Right loved "Dances with Wolves."

OK

I am putting my hand up.. what the hell is that all about? :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 11:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:15am: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest he'd say to himself - "I'm too old for the job of POTUS." He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now. Even if he was, it would still be a vast improvement on the last four years.

you did obviously suffer hugely pet.. tell us what did he do to YOU PERSONALY  so we all understand your pure hatred  you have...it appears to be eating away at you..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

That's a pity coz THEY really love you.... see all the proggy responses on this thread alone.

They love abstract humanity but hate particular individuals who doesn't kneel before their absurd pieties.

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 2:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That's a pity coz THEY really love you.... see all the proggy responses on this thread alone. They love abstract humanity but hate particular individuals who doesn't kneel before their absurd pieties.

You can't kneel, dear, you have your knee problem, remember.

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:15am: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest he'd say to himself - "I'm too old for the job of POTUS." He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now. I know, but SleepyJoe's too busy trying to get everyone to bounce out of bed every morning, get rid of the virus, get the economy going and buy gold toilets and hot-babe wives. Aquascoot sounds rather disappointed Sleepy Joe beat Mr Trump to the plan. Still, in Mr Trump's defence, he had four years of Qanon distractions to get through before he could finally focus on making America great again, so there's that. I'm sure Aquascoot will accept Sleepy Joe's place on the "narrow path to success" eventually. You?

At least Biden is pro tinted people.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

I've been reading through some of the threads from late 2016, laughing at the double standards on full display by some of the posters...one of whom still gets pilloried for a silly bet he took at the time, and others who seem to escape scrutiny for some reason.

You had your time in the sun...gloating and carrying on like a pork chop four years' back.

Biden's the President now.  Get around him. Embrace the Left!

  ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

No no, Sprint, you love them, remember?

Cesterete them.

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 1:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 11:45am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:15am: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. Get a life Trumpard loser!   ;D ;D ;D I'm sure Biden is well meaning but if he was honest he'd say to himself - "I'm too old for the job of POTUS." He sounded drunk and/or retarded on TV just now. Even if he was, it would still be a vast improvement on the last four years. you did obviously suffer hugely pet.. tell us what did he do to YOU PERSONALY  so we all understand your pure hatred  you have...it appears to be eating away at you..

Good point, dear.

What's Mr Trump ever done to you, Greggery?

Started a trade war? Sent global markets panicking? Put Iran back on the nukes? Inspired Brenton Tarrant? Stopped action on global warming? Been a real jolly hoot for four years?

At least he didn't start Brexit and destroy my British passport, dear. I'm sure we'd get along. Mr Trump will need someone to talk to over the next few years. If he ever needs someone to have a chat with over in the Terre Haute Correctional Centre, I'm sure I can find the time.

You'd do the same, dear, no?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

That is.... remarkably Christian of you.

Quote:

I hate the left

Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 6:13am:

Hate is possibly the wrong word sprint Incredibly misguided would be a better way of discussing the left From an economic standpoint we know that socialism which is the go to economic strategy of the left Is an utter catastrophe and failure It has been tried in numerous countries amongst numerous cultures on numerous occasions and the result is always the same currently the average adult in Venezuela the latest country to embrace socialism Weighs 12 lbs less then they did 12 months ago And that's simply because socialism does not produce goods and services anywhere near as efficiently as capitalism that fact is so strikingly obvious that it is indisputable China and Russia experienced mass starvation killing tens of millions of people Now they have gone the capitalist path they are probably having a problem with obesity Not that capitalism doesn't have its problems The main one being the universal law of the prito principal The rich get richer and the poor get poorer Once you start to succeed further success becomes easier But that's not just a feature of capitalism That's a law of nature The biggest trees get all the sunlight and get bigger and bigger The biggest fish get all the food and get bigger and bigger The biggest cities get all the people and get bigger and bigger the biggest rock stars get all the audience and get bigger and bigger the biggest authors get all the readers and get bigger and bigger We can discuss some sort of redistribution And that's fair enough but we can't dispute the capitalism is the system we should adopt those of the left usually are actually acting out of compassion And compassion is a virtuous feeling We should feel compassion for a small helpless infant or a small helpless animal We should feel compassion for someone we find injured by the roadside We should feel compassion for the frail and the elderly and the sick but we should not feel compassion for people who are able bodied and able to stand on their own two feet It doesn't matter about their skin colour It doesn't matter about their gender It doesn't matter if they are a member of some oppressed group If you are able bodied and able to do things for yourself The path forward for you that will lead to success Is to do things for yourself And that's where the left strategy causes so much catastrophe Because they keep people stuck in place through this fake compassion Which is serving their own needs for moral superiority and smug self-satisfaction But is doing absolutely nothing to help the people who they purport to be helping That's what I find so repulsive about the left They smugly claim to be morally superior Whilst all around them the evidence is crystal clear Treating aborigines Minorities or any other group who aren't doing so well As helpless infants Is a catastrophe and is morally reprehensible

Lots of words, If I can't sleep tonight I may come back and browse over some of them.

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 2:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That's a pity coz THEY really love you.... see all the proggy responses on this thread alone. They love abstract humanity but hate particular individuals who doesn't kneel before their absurd pieties.

So the left are like Sprint? Himself a particular individual who hates those that don't kneel before his own absurd pieties?

sprint is depressed  leave him alone to work through it..

he may have a 4 year temper tanny   but I hope not...

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 9:59pm:

Quote: I hate the left Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else.

No it's called honesty. It is okay to hate you know....actually you wouldn't. You're a fascist.

If you lefty fascists would actually be honest for a change then you might find out why you're hated so much.  ;)

Raven wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 3:54am:

Frank wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 2:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That's a pity coz THEY really love you.... see all the proggy responses on this thread alone. They love abstract humanity but hate particular individuals who doesn't kneel before their absurd pieties. So the left are like Sprint? Himself a particular individual who hates those that don't kneel before his own absurd pieties?

He is not tolerant of the intolerant Left.

Raven wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 9:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: I hate the left The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That is.... remarkably Christian of you.

Yes it is.

Because those who love God, are encouraged [in God's WORD], to 'hate the evil, and to love the good', in men.

That process is commonly recognised by many, as being a type of 'feedback loop'.

And when we respect God's 'feedback loop' criteria, it tends to produce righteousness in man.

WHICH IS PLEASING TO MY GOD.


Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.



Whenever we identify an entity which fashions and creates evil, we ought to spurn it, and to hate it.

You believe that collectivism tends towards good.

I believe that collectivism tends towards evil.


Raven,

That is the difference, between people like you, and people like myself.

Vive la difference !

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 9:59pm:

Quote: I hate the left Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else.

Lets clarify!

The "right" as you call it is "not built on hate". The grownups have principles and awareness nurtured in the real life experience, that the indoctrinated do not.

Those of you that have your degrees feel superior. Getting a degree is an exercise in hard work and discipline, BUT the ideas you have have are second or third hand, they are not your own. You accept those ideas before you have a chance to develop your unique opinions through life experience, that is real life, not borrowed. And there's the rub, a whole generation of walking zombies, spouting glib rhetoric that sounds good, but is really just nonsense.

Richdude wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 3:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:59pm: Quote: I hate the left Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else. Lets clarify! The "right" as you call it is "not built on hate". The grownups have principles and awareness nurtured in the real life experience, that the indoctrinated do not. Those of you that have your degrees feel superior. Getting a degree is an exercise in hard work and discipline, BUT the ideas you have have are second or third hand, they are not your own. You accept those ideas before you have a chance to develop your unique opinions through life experience, that is real life, not borrowed. And there's the rub, a whole generation of walking zombies, spouting glib rhetoric that sounds good, but is really just nonsense.

Mate, if you want to talk about "indoctrination", you should take a good hard look at yourself, and what you post here.

To quote The Black Sorrows, "Hold it up, to to the mirror..."

Critical thinking...is where it's at. "Educated" or not.

Seriously, you should try it some time.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:59pm: Quote: I hate the left Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else. No it's called honesty. It is okay to hate you know....actually you wouldn't. You're a fascist. If you lefty fascists would actually be honest for a change then you might find out why you're hated so much.  ;)

sprint is just suffering losers sorrow.. HATE is a terrible word  should not be used in this context because he will get over it...I am sending him get well soon thoughts....

lets not turn it into another HATE session on each other.....it just goes around in never ending circles   

Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 2:25am:

Raven wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: I hate the left The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That is.... remarkably Christian of you. Yes it is. Because those who love God, are encouraged [in God's WORD], to 'hate the evil, and to love the good', in men. That process is commonly recognised by many, as being a type of 'feedback loop'. And when we respect God's 'feedback loop' criteria, it tends to produce righteousness in man. WHICH IS PLEASING TO MY GOD. Amos 5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Whenever we identify an entity which fashions and creates evil, we ought to spurn it, and to hate it. You believe that collectivism tends towards good. I believe that collectivism tends towards evil. Raven, That is the difference, between people like you, and people like myself. Vive la difference !

Well there you have it, as Yadda points out Christians hate those that think and believe different from them.

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 9:39pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 23rd, 2021 at 2:25am: Raven wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: I hate the left The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That is.... remarkably Christian of you. Yes it is. Because those who love God, are encouraged [in God's WORD], to 'hate the evil, and to love the good', in men. That process is commonly recognised by many, as being a type of 'feedback loop'. And when we respect God's 'feedback loop' criteria, it tends to produce righteousness in man. WHICH IS PLEASING TO MY GOD. Amos 5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Whenever we identify an entity which fashions and creates evil, we ought to spurn it, and to hate it. You believe that collectivism tends towards good. I believe that collectivism tends towards evil. Raven, That is the difference, between people like you, and people like myself. Vive la difference ! Well there you have it, as Yadda points out Christians hate those that think and believe different from them.

And we on the left hate Christians for the same reason. No?

Look, we all like to hate, it's fun. Jews hate Christians, Christians hate Jews as well as Buddhist's and Hindus but were comforted by the fact we all hate Muslims. LOL!

Richdude wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 3:44am:

The "right" as you call it is "not built on hate". The grownups have principles and awareness nurtured in the real life experience, that the indoctrinated do not.

like the grown up in the OP?  :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 10:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 6:13am: Hate is possibly the wrong word sprint Incredibly misguided would be a better way of discussing the left From an economic standpoint we know that socialism which is the go to economic strategy of the left Is an utter catastrophe and failure It has been tried in numerous countries amongst numerous cultures on numerous occasions and the result is always the same currently the average adult in Venezuela the latest country to embrace socialism Weighs 12 lbs less then they did 12 months ago And that's simply because socialism does not produce goods and services anywhere near as efficiently as capitalism that fact is so strikingly obvious that it is indisputable China and Russia experienced mass starvation killing tens of millions of people Now they have gone the capitalist path they are probably having a problem with obesity Not that capitalism doesn't have its problems The main one being the universal law of the prito principal The rich get richer and the poor get poorer Once you start to succeed further success becomes easier But that's not just a feature of capitalism That's a law of nature The biggest trees get all the sunlight and get bigger and bigger The biggest fish get all the food and get bigger and bigger The biggest cities get all the people and get bigger and bigger the biggest rock stars get all the audience and get bigger and bigger the biggest authors get all the readers and get bigger and bigger We can discuss some sort of redistribution And that's fair enough but we can't dispute the capitalism is the system we should adopt those of the left usually are actually acting out of compassion And compassion is a virtuous feeling We should feel compassion for a small helpless infant or a small helpless animal We should feel compassion for someone we find injured by the roadside We should feel compassion for the frail and the elderly and the sick but we should not feel compassion for people who are able bodied and able to stand on their own two feet It doesn't matter about their skin colour It doesn't matter about their gender It doesn't matter if they are a member of some oppressed group If you are able bodied and able to do things for yourself The path forward for you that will lead to success Is to do things for yourself And that's where the left strategy causes so much catastrophe Because they keep people stuck in place through this fake compassion Which is serving their own needs for moral superiority and smug self-satisfaction But is doing absolutely nothing to help the people who they purport to be helping That's what I find so repulsive about the left They smugly claim to be morally superior Whilst all around them the evidence is crystal clear Treating aborigines Minorities or any other group who aren't doing so well As helpless infants Is a catastrophe and is morally reprehensible Lots of words, If I can't sleep tonight I may come back and browse over some of them.

Don't mind aquascoot - he thinks that North Korea is socialist.... along with every other Stalinist dictatorship... can't see the forest for the trees... and can't see that his own nation society contains many elements of socialism... jeez - that pillar of the conservatives, ScoMoCo, actually fed the peasants to stimulate the economy when the going got tough... now THAT's socialist...

You see - there is good socialism, bad socialism, and emotional socialism, and it is a close race between #2 and #3 for the bottom of the pit.... but those who discuss political ideologies would be far better served by discussing Socio-Fascism, Communism, and Socialism as totally separate and infinitely variable issues... as they are...

Just because a Rogue Socio-Fascist State (RoSoFaSt - row faster you bastards - you ain't getting nowhere!)claims to be 'socialist' does not mean it is.... nor does it mean that every other Socialist government is evil... nor does it mean that every piece of legislation passed by a moderate and genuine Socialist state is always good..... words are cheap - actions are real....

Jeez - 12 lbs less in one year in Venezuela?  Good-bye The Great Gutsby!! Someone should be making a motza from The Venezuelan Diet....

Richdude wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:36pm:

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 9:39pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 23rd, 2021 at 2:25am: Raven wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: I hate the left The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That is.... remarkably Christian of you. Yes it is. Because those who love God, are encouraged [in God's WORD], to 'hate the evil, and to love the good', in men. That process is commonly recognised by many, as being a type of 'feedback loop'. And when we respect God's 'feedback loop' criteria, it tends to produce righteousness in man. WHICH IS PLEASING TO MY GOD. Amos 5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Whenever we identify an entity which fashions and creates evil, we ought to spurn it, and to hate it. You believe that collectivism tends towards good. I believe that collectivism tends towards evil. Raven, That is the difference, between people like you, and people like myself. Vive la difference ! Well there you have it, as Yadda points out Christians hate those that think and believe different from them. And we on the left hate Christians for the same reason. No? Look, we all like to hate, it's fun. Jews hate Christians, Christians hate Jews as well as Buddhist's and Hindus but were comforted by the fact we all hate Muslims. LOL!

Why hate anyone for their opinion?

Seriously.

How does anyone's opinion on this forum stir hatred?

Who here hates a contributor to this forum?

And if you do, what is the f.ucking point?

Why? Why on earth would you hate someone for posting on an internet forum?

Raven doesn't hate "liberals" and he doesn't hate "conservatives"

So why the f.uck do people like Sprint and others, you know who you are, have to define themselves by their hatred of the other?

Spot

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 10:41pm:

The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future.

This sort of tribalism is exactly what is wrong with the world

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. This sort of tribalism is exactly what is wrong with the world

Ageed. I fear it will only get worse, unfortunately.

"Great Reset", indeed. I suspect it will happen eventually, and be a vastly different - and worse - thing than the conspiracy theorists believe it will be...

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:59pm: Quote: I hate the left Just the natural outcome as the right is built on hate. Can't lead anywhere else. No it's called honesty. It is okay to hate you know....actually you wouldn't. You're a fascist. If you lefty fascists would actually be honest for a change then you might find out why you're hated so much.  ;)

I am left wondering if you keyboard is straight ?

When the most authoritarian US president in history has just been replaced you talk about fascists with the most recent example of Donald not even cold yet.


Quote:

No it's called honesty. It is okay to hate you know

Nobody on the right has ever been associated with honesty but they sure hate good.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 6:47am:

Q anon lost their way

Lost their way? Where do you get these ideas from. Their primary goal was and still is armed overthrow of the US government.

Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 2:57am:

Richdude wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:36pm: Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 9:39pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 23rd, 2021 at 2:25am: Raven wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: I hate the left The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That is.... remarkably Christian of you. Yes it is. Because those who love God, are encouraged [in God's WORD], to 'hate the evil, and to love the good', in men. That process is commonly recognised by many, as being a type of 'feedback loop'. And when we respect God's 'feedback loop' criteria, it tends to produce righteousness in man. WHICH IS PLEASING TO MY GOD. Amos 5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Whenever we identify an entity which fashions and creates evil, we ought to spurn it, and to hate it. You believe that collectivism tends towards good. I believe that collectivism tends towards evil. Raven, That is the difference, between people like you, and people like myself. Vive la difference ! Well there you have it, as Yadda points out Christians hate those that think and believe different from them. And we on the left hate Christians for the same reason. No? Look, we all like to hate, it's fun. Jews hate Christians, Christians hate Jews as well as Buddhist's and Hindus but were comforted by the fact we all hate Muslims. LOL! Why hate anyone for their opinion? Seriously. How does anyone's opinion on this forum stir hatred? Who here hates a contributor to this forum? And if you do, what is the f.ucking point? Why? Why on earth would you hate someone for posting on an internet forum? Raven doesn't hate "liberals" and he doesn't hate "conservatives" So why the f.uck do people like Sprint and others, you know who you are, have to define themselves by their hatred of the other?

You need to lighten up!

No one in their right mind hates others for a label, this is just "group think" crap, exploited by the political class.

Innit, Kernel!

Oh, and BTW, I REALLY hate the left! LOL!

Quote:

................   in 2018 more than 86,000 people left California for Texas, nearly 70,000 left for Arizona and about 55,000 left for Washington Between 2007 and 2016, some 5million residents moved to California and 6million people moved out to other states According to a poll locals say they consider leaving due to the high cost of housing, heavy taxation, or political culture           .................

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727961/More-people-leaving-California-wildfires-high-costs-politics.html

You would not BELIEVE how much I hate the left

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 2:34am:

Quote: ................   in 2018 more than 86,000 people left California for Texas, nearly 70,000 left for Arizona and about 55,000 left for Washington Between 2007 and 2016, some 5million residents moved to California and 6million people moved out to other states According to a poll locals say they consider leaving due to the high cost of housing, heavy taxation, or political culture           ................. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727961/More-people-leaving-California-wildfires-high-costs-politics.html You would not BELIEVE how much I hate the left

For me. its not that I hate them so much. Its more like having a disobedient dog, you still love your dog but you hate his behavior.

Very true analogy.  ;D

You arent about to go out and shoot a bunch of lefties are you sprint? Thisis why we have gun laws . . . . . some ppl are full of hate (and irrational)

Spot

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 9:14am:

Raven wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 3:54am: Frank wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 2:29pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 10:41pm: The whole left, world wide. Past, present and future. That's a pity coz THEY really love you.... see all the proggy responses on this thread alone. They love abstract humanity but hate particular individuals who doesn't kneel before their absurd pieties. So the left are like Sprint? Himself a particular individual who hates those that don't kneel before his own absurd pieties? He is not tolerant of the intolerant Left.

Good point, old boy. Forgive me, but I have to say you're one of the more tolerant members here.

Anders Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, the recent protests in Washington, you've always stood up for people's voices being heard. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a lib... Sorry, a l... A li... Damn, I always get stuck on the Ls.

You?

Menstrual Cyclist is experiencing severe moral cramps.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 1:57pm:

Menstrual Cyclist is experiencing severe moral cramps.

They only have themselves to blame, Laugh.

Sprint was warned not to eat the food at Chez Gordon's.

Richdude wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 3:43am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 2:34am: Quote: ................   in 2018 more than 86,000 people left California for Texas, nearly 70,000 left for Arizona and about 55,000 left for Washington Between 2007 and 2016, some 5million residents moved to California and 6million people moved out to other states According to a poll locals say they consider leaving due to the high cost of housing, heavy taxation, or political culture           ................. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727961/More-people-leaving-California-wildfires-high-costs-politics.html You would not BELIEVE how much I hate the left For me. its not that I hate them so much. Its more like having a disobedient dog, you still love your dog but you hate his behavior. Very true analogy.  ;D

yes, I believe I see what you are saying.

It is their abusive, intolerant and totalitarian mindset while simultaneously they say 'warm fuzzy' empty or false statements.

The left do not stand for the worker, they have not for a long time.


It is like the misquote from Lord of The Rings ......
'Their words are poison!

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 1:57pm: Menstrual Cyclist is experiencing severe moral cramps. They only have themselves to blame, Laugh. Sprint was warned not to eat the food at Chez Gordon's.

That's just offal.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology.

Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end.

Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'.

You like to preserve erections, old boy.

Until you lose.

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:07pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:06pm: Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'. You like to preserve erections, old boy. Until you lose.

That was your guy, trouser sniffer, old Chuck da Schwanzer or whatever his name is. He was talking about exciting an erection.

Psychoanalysis- thank you, Sigmund. You taught us how to read the ellisions and slips.

As a progressive paki, when do you think you duplicitius, evasive, lying bastards will say 'we have arrived'? What's  the aim, the thing you pro- to when you progress?

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'.

Conservatives are history, progressives are the future.

Suck it up import.

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:06pm: Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'. Conservatives are history, progressives are the future. Suck it up import.

Where are you progressing TO, two planks? What do you want? You bastards never say, you only ever talk about destruction.

But you are not the one to ask, thicko,  you understand nothing. You are just a mindless shouter. Never mind, not even your betters on the prog side know the answer to that question because there isn't  one. Destruction is all for prog mongs.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:33pm:

Where are you progressing TO, two planks?

I told you, the future .. If it was up to conservatives we'd still be living in caves

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm: Where are you progressing TO, two planks? I told you, the future .. If it was up to conservatives we'd still be living in caves

When/how will you know yoh have arrived, thicko? What is the destination?

Try not to be an idiot, I know it comes all too easily for you.

What do you want to achieve? Are you able to say? (No. All of you progs would rather die than say what  you actually want - unless its some cliched puffery.  You are stupid AND sentimental.  Very destructive)


Say something intelligent, two planks. Go on, I dare you. Something intelligent and insightful, something original. See if you can do it.

.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

What is the destination?

that's for our kids to determine dopey. All humans spend their lives trying to progress, until they're ready to die. Then they just accept the status quo and wait. Conservatives are just ready to die at a young age.


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

Try not to be an idiot

I wouldn't dream of trying to take your title

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:43pm: What is the destination? that's for our kids to determine dopey. All humans spend their lives trying to progress, until they're ready to die. Then they just accept the status quo and wait. Conservatives are just ready to die at a young age. Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:43pm: Try not to be an idiot I wouldn't dream of trying to take your title

I know you are stupud but still.

Why is ecological conservationism good but social conservationism bad?  Is there NOTHING worth keeping from the past?  Why not bulldoze all of Italy and rebuild it like Berlin after 1945?

Why discard all that your and my ancestors built? Why destroy your inheritance?  For what? What do you want in its place? Your parents and grandparents did not destroy your cultural and social inherirance. Why do you want to destroy your children's  and grandchildren's inheritance?

Who are YOU to cut them off from their history? And for what? Your duty is to hand on your culture to them, not to serve up to them your idea of utopian ruin and poo on a plate.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'.

the blm riots attest to this

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:06pm: Conservatives are very clear about what they want to conserve. Greens want to conserve the natural ecology, conservatives want to preserve the social and cultural AND natural ecology. Progressives want to destroy the social and cultural ecology without ever knowing what they want in its place. With progressives, the answer to 'are we there yet' is always no because destruction has no end. Progressives never propose a status they would call 'arrived'. It's  destruction ALL THE WAY.  Proggressives are destructionist. All they want is 'not this'. the blm riots attest to this

Fail.

Stupid does not justify ridiculous.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Why is ecological conservationism good but social conservationism bad?

ahh, derrr. because they deal with two completely different subjects


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

s there NOTHING worth keeping from the past?

Of course. No progressive wants to change everything. That you pretend they do shows just what a dishonest lying turd you are, one who has to resort to lies because otherwise your argument falls flat on its face


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Why not bulldoze all of Italy and rebuild it like Berlin after 1945?

the truer analogy is to ask why don't we use the same building standards they used 2000 yrs ago, sore end? But using a truer analogy would show how foolish you are so better stick to dumb analogies, afterall, you're the expert in being dumb



Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Why discard all that your and my ancestors built? Why destroy your inheritance?

no one is destroying or discarding anything that doesn't need discarding. My grandfather built an old chook pen / shed about 80 yrs ago with some old corrugated iron, some spare fence posts he found and some fencing wire he had lying around .. it's old and rusty and a safety hazard. Should I keep it for you to move into or should I rebuild it with newer materials and more advanced methods?


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Your parents and grandparents did not destroy your cultural and social inherirance

nor did they desperately hang onto their grandparents 'cultural or social inheritance'


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Who are YOU to cut them off from their history?

no one is cutting them off from history. What happens today and tomorrow will be their history. Do you live like your great grandparents? or do you more closely live like your parents? And if you think they led identical lives you're both a liar and a fool.


Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Your duty is to hand on your culture to them, not to serve up to them your idea of utopian ruin and poo on a plate.

No, my duty is to make sure I leave the world a better place for them than what I found it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 6:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 6:43pm: What is the destination? that's for our kids to determine dopey. All humans spend their lives trying to progress, until they're ready to die. Then they just accept the status quo and wait. Conservatives are just ready to die at a young age.

Well, Aboriginese were the most conservative race for 60 thousand years by that reckoning: they changed nothing and did die young.

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 9:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Why is ecological conservationism good but social conservationism bad? ahh, derrr. because they deal with two completely different subjects Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: s there NOTHING worth keeping from the past? Of course. No progressive wants to change everything. That you pretend they do shows just what a dishonest lying turd you are, one who has to resort to lies because otherwise your argument falls flat on its face Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Why not bulldoze all of Italy and rebuild it like Berlin after 1945? the truer analogy is to ask why don't we use the same building standards they used 2000 yrs ago, sore end? But using a truer analogy would show how foolish you are so better stick to dumb analogies, afterall, you're the expert in being dumb Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Why discard all that your and my ancestors built? Why destroy your inheritance? no one is destroying or discarding anything that doesn't need discarding. My grandfather built an old chook pen / shed about 80 yrs ago with some old corrugated iron, some spare fence posts he found and some fencing wire he had lying around .. it's old and rusty and a safety hazard. Should I keep it for you to move into or should I rebuild it with newer materials and more advanced methods? Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Your parents and grandparents did not destroy your cultural and social inherirance nor did they desperately hang onto their grandparents 'cultural or social inheritance' Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Who are YOU to cut them off from their history? no one is cutting them off from history. What happens today and tomorrow will be their history. Do you live like your great grandparents? or do you more closely live like your parents? And if you think they led identical lives you're both a liar and a fool. Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2021 at 7:06pm: Your duty is to hand on your culture to them, not to serve up to them your idea of utopian ruin and poo on a plate. No, my duty is to make sure I leave the world a better place for them than what I found it.

You are confusing improvements with political progressivism.  Abolishing 'father, mother, son, daughter et' is no improvement but pure political progressivism. It destroys without improving anything..



The chook pen analigy is stupid. Italian architecture is no mere chook pen.  Censoring old movies, statues, history, speech, thought are no improvements but pure destruction, ie progressivism.

Progressivism has no aim beyond destruction, unless idiotic utopianism like Marxism is an aim. Conservatism, like gardening, strives for improvement AND presedvation. It cultivates what it has inherited.  It is cooperative, it is based on social solidarity and the acknowledgement that each generation is a bridge between the one before it and the one after. Social, cultural, historical continuity and inheritance are valued and passed on.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 3:44am:

Spot

That's right Spot..... everyone with a differing opinion to left should shut their mouth .... ::)

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 11:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 3:44am: Spot That's right Spot..... everyone with a differing opinion to left should shut their mouth .... ::)

that is about it.
Or you get ridiculed, abused, threatened, taken to court and anything else then can fire against you.

I hate the left

Now this year 2021 has started with the biggest joke since it's inception -

The BLM movement has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

After 19 plus deaths, 14,000 arrests & $1 to $2 billion dollars damage caused by the BLM riots

some idiot nominates an openly Marxist organisation.


Quote:

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear-family-structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another.” A partner organization, the Movement for Black Lives, or M4BL, calls for abolishing all police and all prisons. It also calls for a “progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state and federal levels to ensure a radical and sustainable redistribution of wealth.” Another M4BL demand is “the retroactive decriminalization, immediate release and record ­expungement of all drug-related offenses and prostitution and reparations for the devastating impact of the ‘war on drugs’ and criminalization of prostitution.” This agenda isn’t what most people signed up for when they bought their Spanx or registered for Airbnb. Nor is it what most people understood when they ­expressed sympathy with the slogan that Black Lives Matter.

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-agenda-black-lives-matter-far-different-the-slogan


Quote:

BLM leader Hawke Newsome: "If change doesn’t happen, then ‘we will burn down this system"

Same bloke -

Quote:

“I just want black liberation, and black sovereignty. By any means necessary.”

 
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn-down-this-system/

It would be a laughable suggestion/nomination -

yet it's true. Ridiculous but true.

Even Snopes says it's true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-nobel-prize-nominee/

To forget the past, will only mean it shall be repeated.

We must learn from the past
Strive to be better
Use the good, and dispel the bad, but never forget it.

The past should not be viewed with rose coloured glasses
It should be see for what it was, knowing that we will be better.

Living for the past is futile
Regardless of how it's painted
It can never be again
Utopia does not exist, it never has, it never will.
For behind every man is a demon trying to take control.
Money, power, greed, hate, jealousy are all demons striving to control even the most altruistic of men.

The past is done for
It SHOULD be remembered
The present is now, stove to be better
The future does not exist, it is a blank page waiting to be written on.

What is written depends on actions you do now, not the past.
Blaming someone for the past is pointless
Lefties do this continually

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 11:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 3:44am: Spot That's right Spot..... everyone with a differing opinion to left should shut their mouth .... ::)

Those are xtian bible quotes - who are notoriously religious? the right or left?

Spot

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

You are confusing improvements with political progressivism

So the ones you like are improvements and the ones you disagree with are political progressivism? How convenient for you. :D :D


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

Italian architecture is no mere chook pen.

No one said it was. That the analogy went over your head is to be expected.


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

Censoring old movies, statues, history, speech, thought are no improvements but pure destruction, ie progressivism.

and yet it has happened throughout the ages and everyone survived, people still kept their culture and the kids weren't denied a history. Or do you think Shakesphere was never censured :D :D. As societies develop what it accepts and doesn't accept as part of the narrative changes. Happened to your grandparents, happened to their grandparents, will happen to your grandkids and their grandkids. It's ever evolving and never constant. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

Progressivism has no aim beyond destruction

thats just your stupidity shining through once again.


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

Conservatism, like gardening, strives for improvement AND presedvation.

Who decides what's an improvement and what isn't? you?  :D :D

Conservatism is about maintaining the status quo. If it were up to conservatives you'd still be bowing to your lord and master toiling his soil, whilst he screwed your new wife on your wedding night. After all, it was part of the culture and history your claiming we should preserve?  and you've already said you wouldn't want to deny your kids that history :D :D :D Or


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

It is cooperative, it is based on social solidarity and the acknowledgement that each generation is a bridge between the one before it and the one after.

What a load of bollocks.


Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 10:35am:

Social, cultural, historical continuity and inheritance are valued and passed on

As long as you agree with them, right? :D :D

the right stand for a conservative approach.

the basic idea is that 'we have contructed a lot of awesome things and , if we tinker with it, we might lose those awesome things".

the conservative (correctly) identifies that what we have contructed is very fragile and could easily be detroyed.

and so the conservative , by nature, is suspicious of people announcing 'their grand plans to change the structure of society", because the conservative (correctly) recognises that most attempts to "usher in the utopia" fail and fail dismally.



the reason that the right have a hard time calling for caution and calling to preserve a lot of the status quo, is that most of the awesome stuff people have gotten , they are blind to it.


they arent so much ungrateful for it, they just dont even think about it.

what has been created in the west is a miracle and a very fragile miracle.

the richest man 100 years (rockerfellor) ago probably did not have a flushing toilet ,
he lost one son to pneumonia, he lost his wife in child birth, he never had a fridge, he didnt have air conditioning, he may not even have had a needle when he needed a filling.

but people are just blind to how incredibly lucky they are and they take all that needs to be "conserved' for granted.

think about it.

you come home from work and the internet isnt working.

is your immediate thought

oh well.

at least i can smile and be grateful i have a fridge, that my car got me home safely, that i have a tv, that i will have a hot shower, that i will certainly be having a meal, that i am unlikely to be attacked by a wild animal whilst i eat, that i probably wont be speared tonight.

nope.

you think none of that.

you are just pissed that your internet connection is down.

if people really took the time to focus on the spectacular success that western market capitalism has delivered to them, they would be conservative to the core.
they would never support loopy left wing ideologies based on tearing it all down, because they would literally

"fall on their knees in front of their refridgerator and weep tears of joy that wise people conserved (us conservartives) all this for them

we dont ask for their gratitude, we know we will never get it.

but  if they look at the catastrophies in starvation following mao, following lenin, in pol pots cambodia and now in venezueals (where the average adult lost 15 pounds last year) they would never ever ever flirt with left wing utopian revolution and crazy socialist economic policies.

not for a second

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 2:35pm:

the right stand for a conservative approach. the basic idea is that 'we have contructed a lot of awesome things and , if we tinker with it, we might lose those awesome things". the conservative (correctly) identifies that what we have contructed is very fragile and could easily be detroyed. and so the conservative , by nature, is suspicious of people announcing 'their grand plans to change the structure of society", because the conservative (correctly) recognises that most attempts to "usher in the utopia" fail and fail dismally. the reason that the right have a hard time calling for caution and calling to preserve a lot of the status quo, is that most of the awesome stuff people have gotten , they are blind to it. they arent so much ungrateful for it, they just dont even think about it. what has been created in the west is a miracle and a very fragile miracle. the richest man 100 years (rockerfellor) ago probably did not have a flushing toilet , he lost one son to pneumonia, he lost his wife in child birth, he never had a fridge, he didnt have air conditioning, he may not even have had a needle when he needed a filling. but people are just blind to how incredibly lucky they are and they take all that needs to be "conserved' for granted. think about it. you come home from work and the internet isnt working. is your immediate thought oh well. at least i can smile and be grateful i have a fridge, that my car got me home safely, that i have a tv, that i will have a hot shower, that i will certainly be having a meal, that i am unlikely to be attacked by a wild animal whilst i eat, that i probably wont be speared tonight. nope. you think none of that. you are just pissed that your internet connection is down. if people really took the time to focus on the spectacular success that western market capitalism has delivered to them, they would be conservative to the core. they would never support loopy left wing ideologies based on tearing it all down, because they would literally "fall on their knees in front of their refridgerator and weep tears of joy that wise people conserved (us conservartives) all this for them we dont ask for their gratitude, we know we will never get it. but  if they look at the catastrophies in starvation following mao, following lenin, in pol pots cambodia and now in venezueals (where the average adult lost 15 pounds last year) they would never ever ever flirt with left wing utopian revolution and crazy socialist economic policies. not for a second

it's amazing isn't it ?

One of my favourite books 'Remininsces of a Stock Operator' is a 95 year old book.
In it he owns one of the first automobiles in New York.

There would have been few streets in those times.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 2:35pm:

the right stand for a conservative approach. the basic idea is that 'we have contructed a lot of awesome things and , if we tinker with it, we might lose those awesome things". the conservative (correctly) identifies that what we have contructed is very fragile and could easily be detroyed. and so the conservative , by nature, is suspicious of people announcing 'their grand plans to change the structure of society", because the conservative (correctly) recognises that most attempts to "usher in the utopia" fail and fail dismally. the reason that the right have a hard time calling for caution and calling to preserve a lot of the status quo, is that most of the awesome stuff people have gotten , they are blind to it. they arent so much ungrateful for it, they just dont even think about it. what has been created in the west is a miracle and a very fragile miracle. the richest man 100 years (rockerfellor) ago probably did not have a flushing toilet , he lost one son to pneumonia, he lost his wife in child birth, he never had a fridge, he didnt have air conditioning, he may not even have had a needle when he needed a filling. but people are just blind to how incredibly lucky they are and they take all that needs to be "conserved' for granted. think about it. you come home from work and the internet isnt working. is your immediate thought oh well. at least i can smile and be grateful i have a fridge, that my car got me home safely, that i have a tv, that i will have a hot shower, that i will certainly be having a meal, that i am unlikely to be attacked by a wild animal whilst i eat, that i probably wont be speared tonight. nope. you think none of that. you are just pissed that your internet connection is down. if people really took the time to focus on the spectacular success that western market capitalism has delivered to them, they would be conservative to the core. they would never support loopy left wing ideologies based on tearing it all down, because they would literally "fall on their knees in front of their refridgerator and weep tears of joy that wise people conserved (us conservartives) all this for them we dont ask for their gratitude, we know we will never get it. but  if they look at the catastrophies in starvation following mao, following lenin, in pol pots cambodia and now in venezueals (where the average adult lost 15 pounds last year) they would never ever ever flirt with left wing utopian revolution and crazy socialist economic policies. not for a second

Just so.
The main purpose of progressive 'education' is to stupefy and make blind. To destroy the idea of the bridge between the generations.

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 1:04pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: You are confusing improvements with political progressivism So the ones you like are improvements and the ones you disagree with are political progressivism? How convenient for you. :D :D Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: Italian architecture is no mere chook pen. No one said it was. That the analogy went over your head is to be expected. Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: Censoring old movies, statues, history, speech, thought are no improvements but pure destruction, ie progressivism. and yet it has happened throughout the ages and everyone survived, people still kept their culture and the kids weren't denied a history. Or do you think Shakesphere was never censured :D :D. As societies develop what it accepts and doesn't accept as part of the narrative changes. Happened to your grandparents, happened to their grandparents, will happen to your grandkids and their grandkids. It's ever evolving and never constant. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: Progressivism has no aim beyond destruction thats just your stupidity shining through once again. Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: Conservatism, like gardening, strives for improvement AND presedvation. Who decides what's an improvement and what isn't? you?  :D :D Conservatism is about maintaining the status quo. If it were up to conservatives you'd still be bowing to your lord and master toiling his soil, whilst he screwed your new wife on your wedding night. After all, it was part of the culture and history your claiming we should preserve?  and you've already said you wouldn't want to deny your kids that history :D :D :D Or Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: It is cooperative, it is based on social solidarity and the acknowledgement that each generation is a bridge between the one before it and the one after. What a load of bollocks. Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 10:35am: Social, cultural, historical continuity and inheritance are valued and passed on As long as you agree with them, right? :D :D

You have a warped, stupid idea about conservatism, mostly because you have never actually gone beyond the ridiculous propaganda crap you are here regurgitating.

Conservatism cultivates the garden, progressivism pours concretes over it, declaring gardens to be oppressive and outmoded.  Architecture in the 50s-70s illustrates the point. That was 'progress' and look how hideous it is.


Not for you - you'd never listen - but others might find this worthwhile
https://youtu.be/1eD9RDTl6tM

yes frank,

and the ugliest buildings, constructed out of bessa block are the humanities buildings ,

roger scruton appreciates beauty

@ sprint....i will check that book out, cheers

what the christian conservative  west considers beautiful...jesus colledge oxford university

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what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful

arts/law building  harvard university

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Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 4:00pm:

You have a warped, stupid idea about conservatism, mostly because you have never actually gone beyond the ridiculous propaganda crap you are here regurgitating.

run away sore end. ;D ;D

god you're an idiot horse boy


aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 5:18pm:

what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful

that was never built to be beautiful , it was built to be functional. Try again horse poo

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 5:27pm:

god you're an idiot horse boy aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:18pm: what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful that was never built to be beautiful , it was built to be functional. Try again horse poo

Heaven forbid it be both...........

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 2:35pm:

the right stand for a conservative approach. the basic idea is that 'we have contructed a lot of awesome things and , if we tinker with it, we might lose those awesome things". the conservative (correctly) identifies that what we have contructed is very fragile and could easily be detroyed. and so the conservative , by nature, is suspicious of people announcing 'their grand plans to change the structure of society", because the conservative (correctly) recognises that most attempts to "usher in the utopia" fail and fail dismally. the reason that the right have a hard time calling for caution and calling to preserve a lot of the status quo, is that most of the awesome stuff people have gotten , they are blind to it. they arent so much ungrateful for it, they just dont even think about it. what has been created in the west is a miracle and a very fragile miracle. the richest man 100 years (rockerfellor) ago probably did not have a flushing toilet , he lost one son to pneumonia, he lost his wife in child birth, he never had a fridge, he didnt have air conditioning, he may not even have had a needle when he needed a filling. but people are just blind to how incredibly lucky they are and they take all that needs to be "conserved' for granted. think about it. you come home from work and the internet isnt working. is your immediate thought oh well. at least i can smile and be grateful i have a fridge, that my car got me home safely, that i have a tv, that i will have a hot shower, that i will certainly be having a meal, that i am unlikely to be attacked by a wild animal whilst i eat, that i probably wont be speared tonight. nope. you think none of that. you are just pissed that your internet connection is down. if people really took the time to focus on the spectacular success that western market capitalism has delivered to them, they would be conservative to the core. they would never support loopy left wing ideologies based on tearing it all down, because they would literally "fall on their knees in front of their refridgerator and weep tears of joy that wise people conserved (us conservartives) all this for them we dont ask for their gratitude, we know we will never get it. but  if they look at the catastrophies in starvation following mao, following lenin, in pol pots cambodia and now in venezueals (where the average adult lost 15 pounds last year) they would never ever ever flirt with left wing utopian revolution and crazy socialist economic policies. not for a second

Quote:

the richest man 100 years (rockerfellor) ago probably did not have a flushing toilet , he lost one son to pneumonia, he lost his wife in child birth, he never had a fridge, he didnt have air conditioning, he may not even have had a needle when he needed a filling. but people are just blind to how incredibly lucky they are and they take all that needs to be "conserved' for granted. think about it.

If not for the progressives we could still have all these things ?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 5:09pm:

yes frank, and the ugliest buildings, constructed out of bessa block are the humanities buildings , roger scruton appreciates beauty @ sprint....i will check that book out, cheers

it is 100% up to date. 
I call it a 'rollicking read'. Which is not how you could imagine a 95 year old investment  book to be described.
Well, it is still in print.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Reminiscences-Stock-Operator-Edwin-Lefevre/dp/0471770884/ref=asc_df_0471770884/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341744909748&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16750272726465248885&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9069226&hvtargid=pla-435759599271&psc=1

Valkie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 6:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:27pm: god you're an idiot horse boy aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:18pm: what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful that was never built to be beautiful , it was built to be functional. Try again horse poo Heaven forbid it be both...........

It can be ... if you want to pay for it.

Back when oxford was built, labor was cheap and you could afford to have someone spending a month just to decorate one ceiling. Today, for most people, that is not an option.

Is stupidity part of being a conservative? Cause it certainly seems like it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 6:40pm:

Valkie wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 6:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:27pm: god you're an idiot horse boy aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:18pm: what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful that was never built to be beautiful , it was built to be functional. Try again horse poo Heaven forbid it be both........... It can be ... if you want to pay for it. Back when oxford was built, labor was cheap and you could afford to have someone spending a month just to decorate one ceiling. Today, for most people, that is not an option. Is stupidity part of being a conservative? Cause it certainly seems like it.

good grief youre a fool.

towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things.

your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap"

people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete.

you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 7:27pm:

................ good grief you're a fool. towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things. your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap" people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete. you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D

that's a big call.
I am not disagreeing with you, just that there is some valid competition out there.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 7:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 7:27pm: ................ good grief you're a fool. towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things. your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap" people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete. you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D that's a big call. I am not disagreeing with you, just that there is some valid competition out there.

i cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to think they built beautiful architecture "back in the day" because it was so much cheaper to do so back then

The cornerstone of Notre Dame Cathedral was laid in 1163 C.E., by order of King Louis VII,

Maurice de Sully, then bishop of Paris, convinced the crown to invest an astronomical amount of money in the project — the cathedral ended up costing almost $1 billion in today's figures.

The Notre Dame cathedral as we know it today took nearly two centuries to build — it was completed in 1345 C.E. — and more than 1,000 carpenters, masons, metalsmiths and other laborers worked on its construction. Of course, many of these people never saw it completed,

Several lead architects worked on Notre Dame in the two centuries of construction, and over time they figured out that the way to support Notre Dame's enormous, spectacular stained glass windows and 115-foot (35-meter) ceiling was to add flying buttresses to keep the walls from flopping outward.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 7:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 7:27pm: ................ good grief you're a fool. towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things. your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap" people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete. you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D that's a big call. I am not disagreeing with you, just that there is some valid competition out there. i cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to think they built beautiful architecture "back in the day" because it was so much cheaper to do so back then

yep, good point.

We saw the Pont du Gard. It is amazing.
2000 years old, build over a river bed. Perfectly straight.
How many floods have been down that river over the 2000 years ?
Many other bridges have been washed away over that time.

it wasn't easier to build then.
It was harder.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 7:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 6:40pm: Valkie wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 6:02pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:27pm: god you're an idiot horse boy aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:18pm: what the post modern socialist left consider beautiful that was never built to be beautiful , it was built to be functional. Try again horse poo Heaven forbid it be both........... It can be ... if you want to pay for it. Back when oxford was built, labor was cheap and you could afford to have someone spending a month just to decorate one ceiling. Today, for most people, that is not an option. Is stupidity part of being a conservative? Cause it certainly seems like it. good grief youre a fool. towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things. your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap" people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete. you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D

people who were starving worked on beautiful buildings BECAUSE it was the only way to feed themselves and their families you idiot

Stick to shoveling horse poo, it's one subject you might actually have a clue about

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 7:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 7:27pm: ................ good grief you're a fool. towns 500 years ago strained under the burden to build beautiful things. your stupidity is beyond belief if you think they built beautiful architecture during the renaisaance because "labor was cheap" people , often close to starvation, living in abject poverty , were prepared to work on beautiful building , which sometimes took centuries to complete. you are undoubtedly the biggest fool on ozpolitics.  ;D ;D ;D that's a big call. I am not disagreeing with you, just that there is some valid competition out there. i cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to think they built beautiful architecture "back in the day" because it was so much cheaper to do so back then

Two planks Smiff IS that stupid.

The mistake normal people make is not crediting the depth, stupididity and depravity of the enemies of civilisation like Smiff, Bbwian, karnal and the rest of the progs.

When destruction is the game, they have no limit, decency, norms to check them. Destruction IS all.

heres why the people of portland "hate" the left


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzFr5xD_q8

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:27am:

heres why the people of portland "hate" the left https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzFr5xD_q8

Well heres why 1 person from Portland hates the left.

lol @bojack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oxgn4xrso

heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood

the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform.

his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration.

white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally?????

they have lost the plot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:39am:

heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0

Check out the rest of the videos on that channels. Not exactly unbiased source.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:39am: heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0 Check out the rest of the videos on that channels. Not exactly unbiased source.

are you denying that a black officer was assaulted by BLM demonstrators for being a race traitor and was called the N word?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 12:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:39am: heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0 Check out the rest of the videos on that channels. Not exactly unbiased source. are you denying that a black officer was assaulted by BLM demonstrators for being a race traitor and was called the N word?

I'd like a lot more information. Like actual evidence.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 12:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 12:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:39am: heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0 Check out the rest of the videos on that channels. Not exactly unbiased source. are you denying that a black officer was assaulted by BLM demonstrators for being a race traitor and was called the N word? I'd like a lot more information. Like actual evidence.

So this bloke impersonates a police officer and makes up a fantasy? ........ OK ......

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 1:48pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 12:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 12:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:39am: heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0 Check out the rest of the videos on that channels. Not exactly unbiased source. are you denying that a black officer was assaulted by BLM demonstrators for being a race traitor and was called the N word? I'd like a lot more information. Like actual evidence. So this bloke impersonates a police officer and makes up a fantasy? ........ OK ......

;)  yes, thats a criminal offense.

and its interesting that when black youth tried to clean up portland, they were attacked by white protestors.

sort of shows that the motivation is all about the destruction.

look like a lot of spoilt white kids who have been indoctrinated in marxism by resentful white men (like bojack)  ::) ::)

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Building built with beauty hold their value and look beautiful for centuries.

The boxes we see today hold little value and it's a pleasure to see them knocked down

Case in point
The Sydney opera house, a beautiful piece of architecture.

The toaster ( a block building in Sydney near the opera house)
Ugly as sin and a real eyesore.

I live on the Central Coast.
It's currently going through a building boom.
House after house is churned out, all basically the same design, same size and orientated the same way.

In the area in which I live, every house in the street is different, some quite nice, others, bloody horrible.

But they vary and it's just nice to walk around streets with different architecture in nearly every house.
But in the estates, it's like walking trough a supermarket with the ambiance of a sterile hospital.

Beauty is intrinsic in human nature.
Building boxes and all the same illicits no pride, no or individuality.
No wonder housing commission flats dehumanize the people.
It must be terrible to live like that.

Blaming a particular side of politics for a building is ridiculous

Spot

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..............  Two Biological Males Now Hold 15 Women’s State Championship Titles in Connecticut, Female Athletes Fight Back         .............

I hate the left

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 9:02pm:

Quote: ..............  Two Biological Males Now Hold 15 Women’s State Championship Titles in Connecticut, Female Athletes Fight Back         ............. I hate the left

That's 99.99% of the population. Menstrualcyclist is a far out of sight right-wing extremist. There are few people right or centre of him.

Over the past year, Millar has become one of the three most trolled targets at the ABC among alleged “progressives” on Twitter, alongside her close friend, 7.30 host Leigh Sales, and Insiders host David Speers.

The basis for the Twitter hatred towards Millar appears to be little more than the fact she’s the daughter of the late Queensland Nationals federal MP Clarrie Millar, who died in 2017.

As one ABC source put it succinctly last week: “It’s hard to ignore the irony of left-wing progressives using highly sexist and misogynistic language to bully a 52-year-old woman because they assume she has the same politics as her father.”

And Diary has learned that one of the key catalysts for Millar was her critics savaging her for allegedly “smiling” while introducing a grab of former PM John Howard – which led to renewed claims she was a pro-Coalition stooge.

But the revelation last week that she’d suspended her Twitter account released a “whole new level” of bullying.

“The intensity of the furore has blown me away,” Millar tells us. “Enough’s enough.”

The irony of removing herself from the platform to silence the trolls, only to encounter a whole new round of bullying while absent, was not lost on her.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/coalition-appoints-andrew-bragg-as-abc-interrogator-in-senate-estimates/news-story/e8874a07f40426ad2c55d76e1fa68604

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:39am:

heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0

They never had the plot.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 12:20pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2021 at 11:39am: heres a great video of a black officer asking the socialists to stop demolishing his neighborhood the demostrators called him the N word for wearing a police uniform. his white fellow officers had to protect him from violence during a BLM demonstration. white marxists attacking a black man during a BLM rally????? they have lost the plot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0 They never had the plot.

Destruction IS the plot for progressives.

What a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit!

Kat wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:57pm:

What a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit!

Exactly, Kat. Progressive are full of BS.
They just want to smash what is without EVER articulating what they are progressing to and how they will know that we have arrived there.
It's just unproductive resentment and rage going, progressing absolutely nowhere.

he was talking about you sore end

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

he was talking about you sore end

He doesnt know what he wants. No progressive 'socialist' does, except that they want to destroy what IS.

They hardly ever say what they want to build or create - because they have no creative bone in their bodies -  only ever what they want to smash and destroy.  Destruction is what unites the rainbow coalition of progressives. On the rare occasion when any goal or replacement of what they want to destroy is discussed, they immediately become fractious and the vicious infighting starts. 

And that IS a  a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:57pm: What a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit! Exactly, Kat. Progressive are full of BS. They just want to smash what is without EVER articulating what they are progressing to and how they will know that we have arrived there. It's just unproductive resentment and rage going, progressing absolutely nowhere.

And there you go again - projecting the Right's failings onto the left.

it's about the only thing the Right go well.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 7:06pm: he was talking about you sore end He doesnt know what he wants. No progressive 'socialist' does, except that they want to destroy what IS. They hardly ever say what they want to build or create - because they have no creative bone in their bodies -  only ever what they want to smash and destroy.  Destruction is what unites the rainbow coalition of progressives. On the rare occasion when any goal or replacement of what they want to destroy is discussed, they immediately become fractious and the vicious infighting starts.  And that IS a  a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit.

AND again...

You need to get a new act, mate.

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I hate the left

Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand.

Kat wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 6:55pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 7:06pm: he was talking about you sore end He doesnt know what he wants. No progressive 'socialist' does, except that they want to destroy what IS. They hardly ever say what they want to build or create - because they have no creative bone in their bodies -  only ever what they want to smash and destroy.  Destruction is what unites the rainbow coalition of progressives. On the rare occasion when any goal or replacement of what they want to destroy is discussed, they immediately become fractious and the vicious infighting starts.  And that IS a  a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit. AND again... You need to get a new act, mate.

Well, tell us what you are progressing to, striving for.  Sketch the socialist world you want to arrive at.

You will not because you do not know. All you know is what you want to destroy. You have NO IDEA what you want to build in its place.

Socialism = 'I have no fccn idea, BUT NOT THIS'. Resentment. No creativity, no fruitfulness, no aim beyond destruction.

Prove me wrong.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 7:43pm:

Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand.

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None.

If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'.

Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life.

OK I give up what am I thriving for ?

Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say.

OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life. OK I give up what am I thriving for ? Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say. OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off.

Puuut the boooottle doooown.  Say what you are progressing to.  Two simple things. Can you manage them?

No.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life. OK I give up what am I thriving for ? Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say. OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off. Puuut the boooottle doooown.  Say what you are progressing to.  Two simple things. Can you manage them? No.

As you said I am thriving here.


I said what I intended in a clear and concise manner.

Then read your whiffle waffle or was it gobbledygook ?

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 6:55pm: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 7:06pm: he was talking about you sore end He doesnt know what he wants. No progressive 'socialist' does, except that they want to destroy what IS. They hardly ever say what they want to build or create - because they have no creative bone in their bodies -  only ever what they want to smash and destroy.  Destruction is what unites the rainbow coalition of progressives. On the rare occasion when any goal or replacement of what they want to destroy is discussed, they immediately become fractious and the vicious infighting starts.  And that IS a  a load of absolute, unmitigated bullshit. AND again... You need to get a new act, mate. Well, tell us what you are progressing to, striving for.  Sketch the socialist world you want to arrive at. You will not because you do not know. All you know is what you want to destroy. You have NO IDEA what you want to build in its place. Socialism = 'I have no fccn idea, BUT NOT THIS'. Resentment. No creativity, no fruitfulness, no aim beyond destruction. Prove me wrong.

And once more you project the failings of the Right onto the Left.

As I said last night, you really do need to get a new act.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life. OK I give up what am I thriving for ? Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say. OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off.

Neither you nor Kat nor any of the lefty progs can ever say what you want to build, what you are supposedly progressing TO.
All you can ever parrot is what you want to smash and destroy.


You are like this proggy idiot, AOC, parading a 'tax the rich' dress at a US $35,000 a ticket event.

https://www.leparisien.fr/resizer/DvQdpjrsJ3BIYyDS2mQVLC1N6_8=/932x582/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/leparisien/OTTGSAGI4ZG5ZHOZTWWGXEYHT4.jpg

I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both.


The culture war is sweeping through classical music at the moment, as each institution engages in escalating bouts of virtue-signalling. So, the Royal Academy of Music is debating whether it should set fire to its priceless collection of pianos and violins because they are tainted by the colonial trade in ebony and ivory.

Meanwhile, a black American academic, Philip Ewell, is leading another vanguard in pursuit of the destruction of western classical music which, the chippy idiot avers, is rooted in racism. Phil has his sights set on Ludwig van Beethoven, who he thinks was kinda useless. Our reverence for classical music is an expression of white supremacy and its most gilded exponents were really nothing to write home about. Beethoven, for example, has had his reputation ‘propped up by whiteness and maleness for 200 years’. Poor old Beethoven.

It is not so long ago that black academics were insisting that Beethoven was himself black. Their evidence for this is based on a comment made by an acquaintance of the composer who described his appearance as being ‘brown/black’: the likelihood being that he had chanced upon him in an ill-lit room. Beethoven had Flemish origins and there is not the slightest evidence to suggest that his mum had been adulterously rogered by a ‘Moorish’ servant, as some of the maniacs promulgating this absurd theory suggest. Even more ludicrously, some academics claimed that Beethoven’s music proved that he was black because the cadences reflected African rhythms.

Really? I think there is a largeish distance between the Moonlight Sonata and Wimoweh, cadence wise, but hell what do I know? The suggestion, though, is that the black Beethoven somehow had a genetic memory of African music. The deranged left will happily crawl into wholly spurious genetic arguments when it suits them, no matter how stupid the proposition, but deny real science when it insists men are born men and women born women. Another useful idiot in this war is the German academic Kira Thurman who has said that attempts to claim Beethoven was black result from white people ‘denying black people any association with genius’. Anyway, the race warriors have now given up on the Beethoven is black rubbish, shifted 180 degrees and now want him cancelled because, er, he was not black.

The most important battle of this latest war is over musical notation. As you might have guessed, the de-colonisers loathe musical notation because it requires intelligence and acquired knowledge to understand it, and they hate both those things, much as they hate mathematics and physics for similarly underpinning ‘white supremacy’. (Musical notation is of course a beautiful marriage of physics and maths.) Oxford University professors recently called for the teaching of musical notation to be rethought on account of its complicity in white supremacy. But there is no such complicity. We have had musical notation in the West for more than 1,000 years; the modern form of notation can itself be traced back to the Italian musicologist Guido d’Arezzo in the 10th century. The Chinese, Japanese and Russians all had some form of notation before then and the Indians — through the Samaveda texts — had a primitive form of notation dating back to 1200 BC.

The one place which has no history whatsoever of musical notation is of course Africa, where music is largely improvised or remembered. I remember from my own time at university the system of musical notation being attacked not on race grounds, but on Marxian class grounds. The argument then was that the likes of Lizst, Bartok and Dvorak purloined gypsy music and, in writing it down, removed it bodily from the people who had the proper claim on it. Even then, when I was quite a long way to the left, this struck me as a silly assertion: the music was written down so that people could remember it and hence play it correctly.

This is a war, then, against intelligence, complexity and the acquisition of knowledge. The insistence that maths and physics, for example, underpin ‘white supremacy’ — very au courant, especially in the United States — is based simply on the fact that too few black students get the requisite grades in those subjects to study them at university. And so the demand is: make them easier, make them more intuitive. It is the same with musical notation. This culture war is a battle between the enlightened and the barbarians. Right now, the barbarians are winning.

Rod Liddle

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both.

says the idiot immigrant who cries about immigration


farkk off back to where you came from if you don't like immigration ... talk is cheap :D

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both. The culture war is sweeping through classical music at the moment, as each institution engages in escalating bouts of virtue-signalling. So, the Royal Academy of Music is debating whether it should set fire to its priceless collection of pianos and violins because they are tainted by the colonial trade in ebony and ivory. It is not so long ago that black academics were insisting that Beethoven was himself black. Their evidence for this is based on a comment made by an acquaintance of the composer who described his appearance as being ‘brown/black’: the likelihood being that he had chanced upon him in an ill-lit room. Beethoven had Flemish origins and there is not the slightest evidence to suggest that his mum had been adulterously rogered by a ‘Moorish’ servant, as some of the maniacs promulgating this absurd theory suggest. Even more ludicrously, some academics claimed that Beethoven’s music proved that he was black because the cadences reflected African rhythms. Really? I think there is a largeish distance between the Moonlight Sonata and Wimoweh, cadence wise, but hell what do I know? The suggestion, though, is that the black Beethoven somehow had a genetic memory of African music. The deranged left will happily crawl into wholly spurious genetic arguments when it suits them, no matter how stupid the proposition, but deny real science when it insists men are born men and women born women. Another useful idiot in this war is the German academic Kira Thurman who has said that attempts to claim Beethoven was black result from white people ‘denying black people any association with genius’. Anyway, the race warriors have now given up on the Beethoven is black rubbish, shifted 180 degrees and now want him cancelled because, er, he was not black. The most important battle of this latest war is over musical notation. As you might have guessed, the de-colonisers loathe musical notation because it requires intelligence and acquired knowledge to understand it, and they hate both those things, much as they hate mathematics and physics for similarly underpinning ‘white supremacy’. (Musical notation is of course a beautiful marriage of physics and maths.) Oxford University professors recently called for the teaching of musical notation to be rethought on account of its complicity in white supremacy. But there is no such complicity. We have had musical notation in the West for more than 1,000 years; the modern form of notation can itself be traced back to the Italian musicologist Guido d’Arezzo in the 10th century. The Chinese, Japanese and Russians all had some form of notation before then and the Indians — through the Samaveda texts — had a primitive form of notation dating back to 1200 BC. The one place which has no history whatsoever of musical notation is of course Africa, where music is largely improvised or remembered. I remember from my own time at university the system of musical notation being attacked not on race grounds, but on Marxian class grounds. The argument then was that the likes of Lizst, Bartok and Dvorak purloined gypsy music and, in writing it down, removed it bodily from the people who had the proper claim on it. Even then, when I was quite a long way to the left, this struck me as a silly assertion: the music was written down so that people could remember it and hence play it correctly. This is a war, then, against intelligence, complexity and the acquisition of knowledge. The insistence that maths and physics, for example, underpin ‘white supremacy’ — very au courant, especially in the United States — is based simply on the fact that too few black students get the requisite grades in those subjects to study them at university. And so the demand is: make them easier, make them more intuitive. It is the same with musical notation. This culture war is a battle between the enlightened and the barbarians. Right now, the barbarians are winning. Rod Liddle

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I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both.

Who is it that opposes every single pay increase and working condition?

Who is it that will do anything that is vicious and malicious to workers, unmarried mothers, the unemployed, the tinted or disabled ?

Who is it that opposes safety measures ?

Who blames the Unemployed, The disabled, LGBIT, unmarried mothers, foreigners etc for everything ?

Who will take any opportunity to give the wealthy any increase thay can ?

Who will do anything to give the wealthy an industrial advantage ?

Why its the right of politics - mean, nasty and rotten to the core - all of them.

Why is the right of politics so corrupt and dishonest ?


And who supports all of it ?

That's right its you and your fellow blind unthinking brain dead supporters.

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 12:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life. OK I give up what am I thriving for ? Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say. OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off. Neither you nor Kat nor any of the lefty progs can ever say what you want to build, what you are supposedly progressing TO. All you can ever parrot is what you want to smash and destroy. You are like this proggy idiot, AOC, parading a 'tax the rich' dress at a US $35,000 a ticket event. https://www.leparisien.fr/resizer/DvQdpjrsJ3BIYyDS2mQVLC1N6_8=/932x582/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/leparisien/OTTGSAGI4ZG5ZHOZTWWGXEYHT4.jpg

Yes the dress should have been a bit more subtle, the words should have been placed a bit smaller and on the top half it would have looked better. However it was a brilliant idea.

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 7:12pm: I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both. says the idiot immigrant who cries about immigration farkk off back to where you came from if you don't like immigration ... talk is cheap :D

Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious.


Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. And you do not even have to be an immigrant to see that instantly.  Even you see it but you are stupid and vicious enough to dispute it reflexively.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 12:25pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:43pm: Quote: I hate the left Yes the rights deficiency of empathy would make it easy to hate. Especially the things they don't understand. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Like you understand!!!! You have no idea. None. If you did you would articulate your ideas. But you cannot. All you have is 'oh, but you don't understand'. Ridiculous. You don't understand what you are thriving for. It's your goal but you could not articulate it to save your life. OK I give up what am I thriving for ? Not the word I would have guessed to put there. Though I suspect more interesting than what you attempted to say. OH how you going with that articulation stuff yourself, you could have hardly found a more inconvenient place to show that particular non skill off. Neither you nor Kat nor any of the lefty progs can ever say what you want to build, what you are supposedly progressing TO. All you can ever parrot is what you want to smash and destroy. You are like this proggy idiot, AOC, parading a 'tax the rich' dress at a US $35,000 a ticket event. https://www.leparisien.fr/resizer/DvQdpjrsJ3BIYyDS2mQVLC1N6_8=/932x582/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/leparisien/OTTGSAGI4ZG5ZHOZTWWGXEYHT4.jpg Yes the dress should have been a bit more subtle, the words should have been placed a bit smaller and on the top half it would have looked better. However it was a brilliant idea.

It is as stupid as all her other pronouncements.

The data demonstrates that the U.S. individual income tax continues to be very progressive, borne primarily by the highest income earners.[2]

In 2017, 143.3 million taxpayers reported earning $10.9 trillion in adjusted gross income and paid $1.6 trillion in individual income taxes.
The share of reported income earned by the top 1 percent of taxpayers rose to 21 percent, from 19.7 percent in 2016. Their share of federal individual income taxes rose to 38.5 percent, from to 37.3 percent in 2016.
In 2017, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of all individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 3 percent.
The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (38.5 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (29.9 percent).
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 26.8 percent average individual income tax rate, which is more than six times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (4.0 percent).
https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of-the-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2020-update/

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 7:15pm: Frank wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 7:12pm: I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both. says the idiot immigrant who cries about immigration farkk off back to where you came from if you don't like immigration ... talk is cheap :D Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. And you do not even have to be an immigrant to see that instantly.  Even you see it but you are stupid and vicious enough to dispute it reflexively.

Oh, you're a culture alright, dear boy.

Just so.

Previous generations of immigrants and their children were acculturated in a celebration of American history, values, and ideals—a message constantly reinforced by schools, the entertainment industry, and other powerful institutions. Today, by contrast, a continuous drumbeat of propaganda bombards immigrants from almost the moment they step off the plane at JFK, undermining their nascent love for the country taking them in and instead encouraging them to cling to their native language and every other aspect of the places from which they’re fleeing. It’s a recipe for the “tangle of squabbling nationalities” that TR feared, and it fuels understandable hostility to immigration among citizens who fear the resulting loss of national cohesion.

All this ties in, of course, with the refugees from the Afghan debacle. While some conservatives rail against our taking them in, I would hope that most accept that we have a moral obligation to help those who helped us, just as we took in South Vietnamese refugees 45 years ago—over the opposition of liberals like Joe Biden. The situation is complicated, however, by the fact that, in the withdrawal fiasco, we seem to have left behind tens of thousands of Special Immigrant Visa holders—the translators and others who aided the American war effort and have already been rigorously vetted—while evacuating thousands of others who have not been vetted at all. So, even more than with those coming through Ellis Island, stringent vetting must be a requirement for admission and, sadly, we must err on the side of exclusion. That means that there will necessarily be some heartbreaking cases (for example, a loyal family with a son in the Taliban).

We also must acknowledge the real cultural differences posing challenges to integration. For example, Afghans apparently have the highest sexual crime rate of any refugees in Europe.The solution is not to celebrate or even tolerate such destructive cultural tendencies but to eradicate them, as Teddy Roosevelt understood. Assimilation can be difficult under the best of circumstances, but multiculturalism, which is inherently hostile to the goal, makes it impossible.

It’s a tragic irony that elites began to reject assimilation in favor of multiculturalism just as the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 brought us into a new era of mass immigration, with a far more diverse mix of nationalities and cultures than before.

https://www.city-journal.org/immigration-yes-multiculturalism-no?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Organic_Social

The same goes for Australia after the end of the white Australia policy ended - much stronger selection and no multiculturalusm.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 1:35pm:

Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious.

no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid

My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:37pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D

Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. And you do not even have to be an immigrant to see that instantly.  Even you see it but you are stupid and vicious enough to dispute it reflexively.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants.

The question is: who gets to hold the scales?

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:47pm:

Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants.

you certainly prove that ... if it were up to me you'd be the first one I'd send back to whatever ʇᴉɥshole you came from

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

I hate the Left mainly because they are either stupid or vicious, usually both.

It must literally gall the fork out of you , knowing (not
accepting, but knowing) that I'm actually neither. :P

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:50pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:47pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. The question is: who gets to hold the scales?

The receiving culture.  This goes without saying everywhere BUT in Western countries.

In Western countries, everyone ELSE's scale counts for more = Marxist multiculturalism. The Western proletariat has not destroyed capitalism and 'bourgeois' culture - time to deploy the third world, the race, the gender 'proletariat', no matter how depraved and barbaric they are - see the US-Mexico border ove-run by slave and sex traffickers, drug cartels, gun smugglers and criminals, all waived through on account of being 'exploited victims of white supremacy'.
Ditto in the Mediterranean, the Channel, the borders of Europe everywhere, and recently at Australia's northern waters.

A complete racket.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:50pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:47pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. The question is: who gets to hold the scales? The receiving culture.

Well, that's leading to an infinite regress... 'Receiving' is subjective... In the religious contact, the Christian evangeliser is the receiver of the non-Christian on behalf of the Christ...

As 'Australian' culture (like all new world cultures) cannot be defined such that does not include an amalgam of multiple cultures... So, who gets to call it... And who do they ethnically represent?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 6:43pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:50pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:47pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. The question is: who gets to hold the scales? The receiving culture. Well, that's leading to an infinite regress... 'Receiving' is subjective... In the religious contact, the Christian evangeliser is the receiver of the non-Christian on behalf of the Christ... As 'Australian' culture (like all new world cultures) cannot be defined such that does not include an amalgam of multiple cultures... So, who gets to call it... And who do they ethnically represent?

You are trying to play vague, stupid games.

A country must decide who comes into it and how - and who does not.  It either has a border or it's not a country.  If the people in a country cannot decide who they are, who they want to admit and who t hey do not, then they are either not a country or their rules have robbed them of the ability to BE a country and a people.

This plays out very clearly across the world. Some countries do restrict immigration, legal and illegal, some, mostly Western ones, do not. 

There is no moral kudos in not having enforced borders. Letting anyone just walk in is a sign of bad faith, enervation, lack of self-belief. It's suicidal - sorry, 'euthanasiacal'. 'Doctor, I want to die!!"i

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. And you do not even have to be an immigrant to see that instantly.  Even you see it but you are stupid and vicious enough to dispute it reflexively.

Of course not.

I am astonished why we let somalis, muslims and the like in here when we can choose the best of the world to be allowed here

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 6:52pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 6:43pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:50pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:47pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. The question is: who gets to hold the scales? The receiving culture. Well, that's leading to an infinite regress... 'Receiving' is subjective... In the religious contact, the Christian evangeliser is the receiver of the non-Christian on behalf of the Christ... As 'Australian' culture (like all new world cultures) cannot be defined such that does not include an amalgam of multiple cultures... So, who gets to call it... And who do they ethnically represent? You are trying to play vague, stupid games. A country must decide who comes into it and how - and who does not.  It either has a border or it's not a country.  If the people in a country cannot decide who they are, who they want to admit and who t hey do not, then they are either not a country or their rules have robbed them of the ability to BE a country and a people. This plays out very clearly across the world. Some countries do restrict immigration, legal and illegal, some, mostly Western ones, do not.  There is no moral kudos in not having enforced borders. Letting anyone just walk in is a sign of bad faith, enervation, lack of self-belief. It's suicidal - sorry, 'euthanasiacal'. 'Doctor, I want to die!!"

All proximate cultures merge... Eventually.

That's why, when Shakespeare is recited in the original pronunciation, every anglophonic culture can recognise their own accent in it.... Because London, even in Shakespeare's time, was a multicultural melting pot.

North, you don't get Sore end (frank)  .. .he just wants to ban black and muslims. There is no rhyme or reason ...  Everything else he says is just so he can hear himself talk

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:47pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D Not all cultures are equal, nor all immigrants. And you do not even have to be an immigrant to see that instantly.  Even you see it but you are stupid and vicious enough to dispute it reflexively. Of course not. I am astonished why we let somalis, muslims and the like in here when we can choose the best of the world to be allowed here

Sprint and Frank- entitled much ?

Just keep those snotty noses up in the air boys.

Yes I know your mommies said that you were better than everyone someone.

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 7:36pm:

North, you don't get Sore end (frank)  .. .he just wants to ban black and muslims. There is no rhyme or reason ...  Everything else he says is just so he can hear himself talk

He should read Shakespeare... Most of his works are set outside Britain... And his greatest works include black Muslims and Jews.

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 7:36pm:

ban black and muslims

That would be a very good idea

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

All proximate cultures merge... Eventually.

That is one of the most vapid, vacuous, throw-away nonsense thing you have ever said.  Good thing you are convinced about it without a shadow of any critical doubt. 

Proximate  cultures - what new-fangled crap is 'proximate cultures'? What are 'non-proximate' cultures?

Proximate cultures - the West and Islam are as un-proximate cultures as you can get. They have been at war with each other since the Mohammed was in short pants.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 9:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 7:22pm: All proximate cultures merge... Eventually. That is one of the most vapid, vacuous, throw-away nonsense thing you have ever said.  Good thing you are convinced about it without a shadow of any critical doubt.  Proximate  cultures - what new-fangled crap is 'proximate cultures'? What are 'non-proximate' cultures? Proximate cultures - the West and Islam are as un-proximate cultures as you can get. They have been at war with each other since the Mohammed was in short pants.

5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're asleep... Agatha... I want to speak to Agatha...

Islam was born out of Judaic, Christian and Arabic cultures / religions.
Christianity was born out of Judaic, Greek and Roman cultures / religions.
Judaism was born out of Egyptian, Persian, Mesopotamian  cultures / religions.

5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're back in the room.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 10:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 9:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 7:22pm: All proximate cultures merge... Eventually. That is one of the most vapid, vacuous, throw-away nonsense thing you have ever said.  Good thing you are convinced about it without a shadow of any critical doubt.  Proximate  cultures - what new-fangled crap is 'proximate cultures'? What are 'non-proximate' cultures? Proximate cultures - the West and Islam are as un-proximate cultures as you can get. They have been at war with each other since the Mohammed was in short pants. 5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're asleep... Agatha... I want to speak to Agatha... Islam was born out of Judaic, Christian and Arabic cultures / religions. Christianity was born out of Judaic, Greek and Roman cultures / religions. Judaism was born out of Egyptian, Persian, Mesopotamian  cultures / religions. 5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're back in the room.

That's lazy and stupid. Blinkered. As if all the cultures and religions you selected had not come into contact with anything else but your selection. And when they did come into contact, they fought to assert their differences.
Ask a bearded Muslim with a Kalashnikov who he is merging with. Go on.

You want to lazily wash it all together - when in fact being a 'proximal' culture has always meant asserting your significant differences - not at all your 'merger'. Being who you are means that you are not like the 'proximal' fellows to your right or left.


'Proximal cultures' - where the hell did you get that pompous, vacuuous idea from and what on earth made you abandon all judgement to make it your own?? It stinks of poncy pretentiousness.

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 10:17pm: Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 9:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 7:22pm: All proximate cultures merge... Eventually. That is one of the most vapid, vacuous, throw-away nonsense thing you have ever said.  Good thing you are convinced about it without a shadow of any critical doubt.  Proximate  cultures - what new-fangled crap is 'proximate cultures'? What are 'non-proximate' cultures? Proximate cultures - the West and Islam are as un-proximate cultures as you can get. They have been at war with each other since the Mohammed was in short pants. 5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're asleep... Agatha... I want to speak to Agatha... Islam was born out of Judaic, Christian and Arabic cultures / religions. Christianity was born out of Judaic, Greek and Roman cultures / religions. Judaism was born out of Egyptian, Persian, Mesopotamian  cultures / religions. 5, 4, 3, 2,1... And you're back in the room. That's lazy and stupid. Blinkered. As if all the cultures and religions you selected had not come into contact with anything else but your selection. And when they did come into contact, they fought to assert their differences. Ask a bearded Muslim with a Kalashnikov who he is merging with. Go on. You want to lazily wash it all together - when in fact being a 'proximal' culture has always meant asserting your significant differences - not at all your 'merger'. Being who you are means that you are not like the 'proximal' fellows to your right or left. 'Proximal cultures' - where the hell did you get that pompous, vacuuous idea from and what on earth made you abandon all judgement to make it your own?? It stinks of poncy pretentiousness.

Frank, Agatha, whatever...

Go to bed...

And lay off the piss.

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 4:37pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:35pm: Your first line is stupid, your second is vicious. no, my first line is spot on ... that it is beyond you merely shows that you are stupid My second is vicious, but it's merely your usual crap thrown back at you. Funnily enough, when you demand others go back to their ʇᴉɥs holes it's not vicious ... it's only you who is precious, right?  :D :D :D

Now now, JS, you shouldn't say such things to the old boy. He has the right to not be offended, no?

Just so, as every schoolboy knows, innit.