They now don’t want to pay you for electricity you feed into the grid
They want you to feed in the power and pay them.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/25/australians-could-be-charged-for-exporting-energy-from-rooftop-solar-panels-to-the-grid

Australians could be charged for exporting energy from rooftop solar panels to the grid
Proposed changes to the national energy market rules aims to prevent ‘traffic jams’ of electricity on sunny days.
Australian households with rooftop solar panels could be charged for exporting electricity into the power grid at times when it is not needed under proposed changes to the national electricity market.
The recommendation is included in a draft deliberation by the Australian Energy Market Commission that is designed to prevent “traffic jams” of electricity at sunny times that could destabilise the network.
The commission, which makes the rules for the electricity system, said the change was necessary to allow more household solar systems and batteries to be connected to the grid and make the system fairer for all electricity users.


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https://ndh.org.au/news/australians-with-rooftop-solar-panels-could-soon-be-charged-for-exporting-power-into-the-grid-under-proposed-changes/



Australians with rooftop solar panels could soon be charged for exporting power into the grid, under proposed changes


Posted March 25, 2021
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Australians with rooftop solar panels could soon be charged for exporting electricity to the grid, under new rules being recommended by the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC).

AEMC chief executive Ben Barr said the electricity grid was struggling to cope with the changing power landscape, which was generating more solar energy than ever before.

About 20 per cent of all customers now partly meet their electricity needs through rooftop solar power generation, up from just 0.2 per cent in 2007.



Charging solar owners ‘inequitable’

There has also been some strong opposition to the introduction of any export charges, including from solar panel owners.

In a submission to the AEMC during consultation, community group Solar Citizens said introducing a fee was not justified.

    “It is inequitable to charge solar owners when generators in the transmission network are not charged for accessing the network,” the submission said.

The AEMC’s draft determination is out for public consultation until May 13, with a final determination to be handed down in June.

Mr Barr said the implementation of any changes could be years away.

“The consultation with the poles and wires businesses and the Australian Energy Regulator signing off on any changes will take over 12 [months] to two years,” he said.

“So we’re not talking about a big blanket change coming in overnight.”

This is SHOCKING bobby !!!

SHOCKING !!!

Yadda wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

This is SHOCKING bobby !!! SHOCKING !!!

Honestly this country is run by fricken retards.

All PV inverters cutout over a certain voltage so it is not possible to destabilize the grid.

But they will still allow these so called "energy retailers" parasites to make a killing from your feedins.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:20pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 7:58pm: This is SHOCKING bobby !!! SHOCKING !!! Honestly this country is run by fricken retards. All PV inverters cutout over a certain voltage so it is not possible to destabilize the grid. But they will still allow these so called "energy retailers" parasites to make a killing from your feedins.

bobby,

Some people, will do everything that they can, to get us where they want us.

And once they have us there, they will then often do, whatever they want with us.   !!

[Whatever their 'everyday' title may be...] Usually, people who do such things are called 'rapists' or 'abusers', aren't they ?

Yadda wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:55pm:

bobby, Some people, will do everything that they can, to get us where they want us. And once they have us there, they will then often do, whatever they want with us.   !! [Whatever their 'everyday' title may be...] Usually, people who do such things are called 'rapists' or 'abusers', aren't they ?

Yes - the consumer is being raped.

The power companies should have invested
their profits into energy storage.
Hydro electric power stations could have massive pumps that would pump water uphill
back to the reservoir at times when there
is too much power.

Looks like a case of gross mismanagement on the part of the Australian Energy Market Commission - they simply can't keep up in a changing world

Governments wanted solar, the people responded, and now there's electricity traffic jams due to the lack of batteries in homes

So what's the answer? Free batteries, as part of the solar rebate

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 9:24pm:

Looks like a case of gross mismanagement on the part of the Australian Energy Market Commission - they simply can't keep up in a changing world Governments wanted solar, the people responded, and now there's electricity traffic jams due to the lack of batteries in homes So what's the answer? Free batteries, as part of the solar rebate

The answer isn't batteries -
it's hydro electric used as energy storage.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:20pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 7:58pm: This is SHOCKING bobby !!! SHOCKING !!! Honestly this country is run by fricken retards. All PV inverters cutout over a certain voltage so it is not possible to destabilize the grid. But they will still allow these so called "energy retailers" parasites to make a killing from your feedins.

but those scumbag energy retailer parasites will now make more from all of the free energy pumped into the grid from rooftop solar even though they didn't create a single joule of energy. That is typical of this country to reward scumbags who create absolutely nothing ! That's the Australian way :(

Hi Nail,
the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 9:27am:

Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers.

they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices.

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 9:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:27am: Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers. they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices.

I don't  think the energy companies have invested
even one dollar into energy storage.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 9:37am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:32am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:27am: Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers. they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices. I don't  think the energy companies have invested even one dollar into energy storage.

The incentive to combat climate change is being eroded with their proposal

Everyone with solar should install two batteries and go off the grid altogether, no need to worry about greedy energy providers then

(Strange how the issue of climate change has gone off the radar lately - Is anyone still interested in it?)

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:32am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:27am: Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers. they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices. I don't  think the energy companies have invested even one dollar into energy storage. The incentive to combat climate change is being eroded with their proposal Everyone with solar should install two batteries and go off the grid altogether, no need to worry about greedy energy providers then (Strange how the issue of climate change has gone off the radar lately - Is anyone still interested in it?)

bias,

I predict, that if that option was in prospect [install batteries and go off the grid altogether], the energy provider corps, would lobby our governments to make such a course illegal.


With arguments like.....

"We have the costs of maintaining our delivery infrastructure to think about!"

"We can't allow people, NOT to pay for [to opt out of] the upkeep and maintenance costs of our delivery infrastructure!!"

Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 11:09am:

bias, I predict, that if that option was in prospect [install batteries and go off the grid altogether], the energy provider corps, would lobby our governments to make such a course illegal. With arguments like..... "We have the costs of maintaining our delivery infrastructure to think about!" "We can't allow people, NOT to pay for [to opt out of] the upkeep and maintenance costs of our delivery infrastructure!!"

Sorry, the precedent has already been set

Note: Two percent of Australians currently live off grid

Some city dwellers are going off the grid

The politicians are continually saying they'll reduce the cost of electricity to the consumer - now why would they make it illegal for a consumer to act on their own initiative to help the politicians out, help them also to reduce emissions to meet reduction targets by 2050, or was it 2030? We've got to get emissions down, both major parties have been saying it for years

Poles and wires maintenance is an added cost on electricity bills. That cost would be eliminated by going off the grid. The politicians should be glad our overall cost will be lowered

For me, out here in the bush, that maintenance cost is a rip off, we've suffered 255 power outages since Jan 2013, I jot them down when they occur, they've half filled a small writing pad so far. No matter how short or long the power outage, I've got to restart electronic devices and reset times and dates. Restart the computer halfway through paying for an Ebay item, it's happened, believe me. Or sending a message, which is why I copy and paste as I go into Text Edit so I don't lose it

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:32am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:27am: Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers. they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices. I don't  think the energy companies have invested even one dollar into energy storage. The incentive to combat climate change is being eroded with their proposal Everyone with solar should install two batteries and go off the grid altogether, no need to worry about greedy energy providers then (Strange how the issue of climate change has gone off the radar lately - Is anyone still interested in it?)

Making batteries is energy intensive -
it creates nasty chemicals -
it costs a fortune -
batteries have only a small life span
and then need replacement.

Pumping water uphill at a hydroelectric power station
is a far better option.

Quote:

......The politicians are continually saying they'll reduce the cost of electricity to the consumer - now why would they make it illegal for a consumer to act on their own initiative to help the politicians out

bias,

Politicians in this country make all kinds of decisions which make no sense     [.....unless you are one of those persons who is privy to their motivation, to make that particular decision].


I'm just saying;       'Interest groups' in Australia seem to have a much bigger influence upon the decisions which politicians make, than any motivation for them to do what is in the best public interest, for all Australians.

Cynical Yadda

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 8:36am:

it's hydro electric used as energy storage.

First you have to find suitable terrain, and then you have to convince people that it is ok to -

1. Get permission to build a dam in the first place

2. Flood the land behind the dam.

lee wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 8:36am: it's hydro electric used as energy storage. First you have to find suitable terrain, and then you have to convince people that it is ok to - 1. Get permission to build a dam in the first place 2. Flood the land behind the dam.

Yes but it's something we need to do.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 12:30pm:

Pumping water uphill at a hydroelectric power station is a far better option.

Are you going to pump the water up hill by hand?

Because it would take more electricity to pump the water up the hill than the electricity produced by the hydro generator by the same amount of water

You're thinking of perpetual motion, that only works in outer space and only then if there's no friction slowing an object down

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 12:30pm: Pumping water uphill at a hydroelectric power station is a far better option. Are you going to pump the water up hill by hand? Because it would take more electricity to pump the water up the hill than the electricity produced by the hydro generator by the same amount of water You're thinking of perpetual motion, that only works in outer space and only then if there's no friction slowing an object down

You silly Billy -
where on earth did you get any ideas of perpetual motion?

When there is too much power in the grid then some of
it can be used to pump water uphill behind the dam.
Later that water can flow trough the dam generators to provide power.
The dam is a way of storing energy.

Yes - there are losses of energy in such a system
as there are in any system.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:09pm:

Yes but it's something we need to do.

But I live in WA and down south there is no suitable terrain that would get past the greenies and up north is both too far and there are land rights issues. Twiggy Forrest is having troubles trying to put in small dams.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:32pm:

When there is too much power in the grid then some of it can be used to pump water uphill behind the dam. Later that water can flow trough the dam generators to provide power. The dam is a way of storing energy.

It wouldn't be cost effective Bobby

The recent rain and flood waters could have filled a lot of dams, but the Greenies think dams are a bad idea, so we're not going to get new dams with hydro generators, pity

lee wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 1:09pm: Yes but it's something we need to do. But I live in WA and down south there is no suitable terrain that would get past the greenies and up north is both too far and there are land rights issues. Twiggy Forrest is having troubles trying to put in small dams.

Land rights?
The Abbos must step aside for progress.

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 1:32pm: When there is too much power in the grid then some of it can be used to pump water uphill behind the dam. Later that water can flow trough the dam generators to provide power. The dam is a way of storing energy. It wouldn't be cost effective Bobby The recent rain and flood waters could have filled a lot of dams, but the Greenies think dams are a bad idea, so we're not going to get new dams with hydro generators, pity

It's a lot cheaper than millions of people all buying a $10K battery.

We need to find suitable places for dams.
Even if we had some place near the coast and pumped
seawater back to fill up an area of land - it would work.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

Even if we had some place near the coast and pumped seawater back to fill up an area of land - it would work.

And salt degradation of the surrounding land. That won't get past anybody.

lee wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 1:55pm: Even if we had some place near the coast and pumped seawater back to fill up an area of land - it would work. And salt degradation of the surrounding land. That won't get past anybody.

If the land is not being used then it's OK.
Using land near the sea would be a last resort where no
inland river could be dammed.
The fact is that energy storage has to be done.
Snowy 2 is already in progress now and will do energy storage.

Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2021 at 11:09am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 11:00am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:37am: Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:32am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:27am: Hi Nail, the Govt should never have sold off the electricity networks to private scammers. they sold it off to middle men profit makers and told us lies we were going to get a better deal. how ?? Any profits these scumbags make comes out of our pockets so how was it ever going to be a better deal for the consumer ? At least when it was run by the gov nobody complained about ripoff electricity prices. I don't  think the energy companies have invested even one dollar into energy storage. The incentive to combat climate change is being eroded with their proposal Everyone with solar should install two batteries and go off the grid altogether, no need to worry about greedy energy providers then (Strange how the issue of climate change has gone off the radar lately - Is anyone still interested in it?) bias, I predict, that if that option was in prospect [install batteries and go off the grid altogether], the energy provider corps, would lobby our governments to make such a course illegal. With arguments like..... "We have the costs of maintaining our delivery infrastructure to think about!" "We can't allow people, NOT to pay for [to opt out of] the upkeep and maintenance costs of our delivery infrastructure!!"

It will become like your water and sewerage, regardless of whether you are connected or not you will have to pay the supply charge because it goes past your house.