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Message started by whiteknight on May 31st, 2021 at 7:42am

Title: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by whiteknight on May 31st, 2021 at 7:42am
MAY 1 2021 The Examiner.
COMMENT: When mutual obligations for job seekers are, quite literally, a pain in the neck   :(

Over a year ago, hundreds of thousands of Australians moved onto JobSeeker due to mass job losses. Many of those will be moving into Work for the Dole after 12 months, given the huge rise in low income earners still receiving a government payment.
Over a year ago, hundreds of thousands of Australians moved onto JobSeeker due to mass job losses. Many of those will be moving into Work for the Dole after 12 months, given the huge rise in low income earners still receiving a government payment.
Allan Wright's hands struggle to hold onto objects, he drops things a dozen times a day. He suffers stabbing pain at least every hour and he has emphysema.

And it all stems from the 15 hours per week of volunteer work the 64-year-old from near Huonville was required to do to keep receiving Newstart as part of an over-55s work program.

First, in 2014, while volunteering with an animal rescue farm, his body basically collapsed while lifting a bin of fruit and vegetables. He was diagnosed with sciatica. 

After a few weeks off, he went to volunteer at a boat shed. While enjoying the work, over the course of three years his direct exposure to fumes from antifoul boat paint triggered emphysema. He had quit smoking four years earlier, but on this particular day he was gasping for air.


It also resulted in a cervical disc injury in his neck, causing regular acute pain.   



Allan lodged various complaints and was ultimately told that the not-for-profit didn't employ or pay anyone, and so didn't have to comply with the Work Health and Safety Act. He'd have to chase the organisation's insurance company for compensation, and instead faced out-of-pocket medical expenses. He eventually got an eight-month exemption from volunteering, but started getting hounded by Centrelink again after four months.

COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.

So now, in 2021, with the Centrelink system back to "normal", Allan says he'll have to look for 8-14 hours of work per week with an appointment at a job service provider next week.

After spending most of his working life as a sewer drainer, he says the unemployment system has no consideration for older unemployed people with backgrounds in manual labour. He's now hoping to wait out the last two years until he qualifies for the Age Pension.

"No one will want me. I'm 64-and-a-half and I still get treated like this. The system just doesn't have flexibility for people who work in manual labour jobs and get injured," he said. "They're not actually caring about your age or how infirm you are."   :(

The COVID downturn presented the perfect opportunity for the government to reform Australia's unemployment system, but instead, it's business as usual. People like Allan are again facing a system that sees them as numbers, not humans. Although the rate of JobSeeker is $4-per-day above pre-COVID, the poverty line has increased faster based on a range of indicators.

While the government claims the unemployment rate is falling fast, the number of people claiming payments isn't. This time last year there were 80,000 people on unemployment payments also earning incomes through work. That has increased to 290,000, many who signed up for JobSeeker for the first time 12 months ago when mass job losses occurred.

And when 12 months passes - which for many is right now - they'll move to the Work for the Dole phase. Are there enough organisations signed up to handle such a surge in demand, or will these people be forced to stand around doing pointless tasks with dozens of others?

But the government did bring in at least one new idea: the dob in a jobseeker hotline, where employers can report people who refuse jobs. Penalties already exist for a "work refusal", and from July to December 2019, only 600 of the 700,000 Australians on jobactive were confirmed as failing to accept a job without reason.

The Australian Unemployed Workers Union's Kristin O'Connell claims this is a response to a problem that doesn't exist, and is instead a cynical tactic to ramp up the old "dole bludger" rhetoric.

"It's a PR opportunity to demonise unemployed people and a justification to support this cut to the payment they brought in from April. The government is trying to return to the idea that unemployed people are undeserving," she said. "So why would an employer want an employee who doesn't want to work for them? It's because you get direct government payments for hiring them, wage subsidies up to 100 per cent, the job agency gets an outcome payment."   :(

If many on JobSeeker already have a job, and they need to apply for 20 a month from July, they're going to end up in a bind. What if one of these 20 clashes with their current job, so they refuse? Or Allan, who will also need to start applying for jobs he has no hope of being able to work.

Not everyone in the government likes the idea. Bass Liberal MHR Bridget Archer agrees that it "demonises job seekers". She instead wants widespread reform.


"Mutual obligation should be meaningful and not create additional barriers

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by aquascoot on May 31st, 2021 at 7:43am
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Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Valkie on May 31st, 2021 at 8:25am
Its a shame all these bludgers are expected to pull their weight....or at least a tiny bit of it.

In the volunteer rescue organisation I work, there are many people aged well over 65 who work far more than a measly 15 hours a week.

Some put in far greater hours and do far harder work than these 15 hours a week whiners.

We have a small handful of WFD workers as volunteers, rarely see them do more than their obligatory 15 hours.

Its a real shame we make lazy parasites actually do something for the free money they get.

Perhaps if the actually got jobs and did a real 38 hours a week of hard, back breaking, dirty work, they would be more appreciative of where the free money comes.
But I doubt it.
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Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Mr Lager on May 31st, 2021 at 9:41am
Meanwhile around 100,000 able bodied blacks in remote communities have just been told they will not have any mutual obligations and no work for the dole commitments.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by whiteknight on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Carl D on May 31st, 2021 at 10:15am

whiteknight wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am:
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(


Agreed.

But, you have to be pretty much on death's door to get the DSP these days. And even then it probably wouldn't be guaranteed.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Ye Grappler on May 31st, 2021 at 1:20pm

whiteknight wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am:
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(


Yeee-usssh - but everyone on DSP is a Bludger, just not a Dole Bludger, but something far worse.... they've rorted the system to get a pension undeserved.

You know that!

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by UnSubRocky on May 31st, 2021 at 2:38pm
A guy I knew, who retired from working at the railway 10 years ago, got a job as a delivery driver. He worked 10 hours a week, as to not affect his pension, and he had some extra money.

My father, retiring (voluntary early retirement) after 45 years in railway employment as a labourer. Dad happened to know the guy I mentioned in the first paragraph. Dad got a part-time job working in a factory/distribution centre for 20 hours a week. He kept that job for at least 3 years until he reached the retirement age of 65. He is now fully retired.

Both men, of whom had their own health conditions in their 60s, were able to adjust to new working environments in part-time jobs. Sure, it is not a full-time job experience. But you won't be eating into your pension doing these available jobs until you are at the retirement age.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by UnSubRocky on May 31st, 2021 at 2:58pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:20pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am:
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(


Yeee-usssh - but everyone on DSP is a Bludger, just not a Dole Bludger, but something far worse.... they've rorted the system to get a pension undeserved.

You know that!


A friend's friend had the condition of cerebral palsy. I could concede that cerebral palsy is a degenerative condition -- for all I know about the disease. But this lady went from being a teenage girl who could run around and be active, to one that would be in a wheelchair or a mobility scooter.

This woman sat on disability for over 20 years of her life. Her days consisted of sitting in front of the television, smoking and drinking (which is costly in itself), and basically whingeing about her life's circumstances. Meanwhile, her friend (another cerebral palsy person) gets to go to work at a supermarket and does not complain one bit about his situation. He earns money to supplement his disability support. But I bet he is not making a great deal of money from it. I would actually feel very sorry for him if his disability support pension was income means tested with him having a job.

The lady I mentioned ended up having a reputation so toxic, that even the casual observers considered her a "waste of space". I can sympathise with people on disability support because them having a disability. But not when their attitudes make them parasites on the system.



Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Valkie on May 31st, 2021 at 3:32pm

Carl D wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:15am:

whiteknight wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am:
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(


Agreed.

But, you have to be pretty much on death's door to get the DSP these days. And even then it probably wouldn't be guaranteed.


Unless you are an abbo or muzzo.

They get a free ride.

How many times have you heard of a muzzo, after arrest for assault, reported as

"Mr Muhammad "unpronounceable"  (a disability pensioner) was arrested today for beating so and so......"

Too disabled to work, but able bodied enough to beat someone senseless.

Hmmmm, something stinks here.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Ye Grappler on May 31st, 2021 at 3:34pm
I was being sarcastic about DSP - I was on disability from my fifties - so many injuries you would not believe.  I know what it's like to have to hobble down to the Guv at their beck and call when you've already got your doctor's certificates saying 'no work ever'.

Pension was a relief.  A little more to live on and no need to hunt work every day.  When you walk in through that door on a walking stick, nobody seriously wants to employ you as anything... stupid given my abilities and experience.  I was even offered a job running adventure tours in NZ, right up my alley, but couldn't take it up due to my bunged-up leg.

One day cock of the walk - next day a feather duster.  That's the most debilitating part of it all.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by UnSubRocky on May 31st, 2021 at 3:43pm
Ye Grappler,

Irrelevant whether you were being sarcastic. My story was about how there are degrees of good and bad among the DSP recipients. Those that go above and beyond their expected workloads. And then those who do nothing and drag the rest of us down to their level.

Title: Re: When JobSeeker Obligations Are Pain In The Neck
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 31st, 2021 at 4:36pm

Valkie wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 3:32pm:

Carl D wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:15am:

whiteknight wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 10:12am:
Perhaps with all these medical problems Mr Allan Wright, should be on the disability support pension.  COVID shutdowns saw the end of his volunteer work at a local library, but having been deemed ineligible for the Disability Support Pension, his days of "mutual obligations" - the requirement for job seekers to meet various job application criteria or work tasks - will be returning.   :(


Agreed.

But, you have to be pretty much on death's door to get the DSP these days. And even then it probably wouldn't be guaranteed.


Unless you are an abbo or muzzo.

They get a free ride.

How many times have you heard of a muzzo, after arrest for assault, reported as

"Mr Muhammad "unpronounceable"  (a disability pensioner) was arrested today for beating so and so......"

Too disabled to work, but able bodied enough to beat someone senseless.

Hmmmm, something stinks here.


Never. Have you got more than 1 example?

Spot

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