Of course, no world organisation or nation believes the virus stats coming out of China and, the way the regime structures its reporting process, the regime is unlikely to have them as it consciously does not collate them.

Jennifer Zeng:

There is no need for the CCP to hide the death tolls of the CCP virus pandemic in China, as there are no numbers. Only the CCP has the ability to collect and release the numbers. If it chooses to not collect or release the numbers, it is very hard for anybody else to have the numbers at all.

The reason why I said the death toll could be millions or tens of millions is based on the numbers of cellphone users released by the CCP itself, as well as the recent official national census results.

According to CCP’s own census numbers, in 2020, 14.61 million people died, while in 2019, only 9.45 million died. So there were 5 million more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019.

So what’s the difference between 2020 and 2019? The only major one was the pandemic. So it is very reasonable for us to assume that at least 5 million people died of the CCP virus in China.

https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/6/2/chinas-lethal-vaccine-reverse-population-control-chinas-covid-death-toll-amp-other-related-issues

And so... Why suddenly the three-child policy?

Again, Jennifer Zeng:

too many people have died during the pandemic, and the CCP desperately needs to make that up by having people to have more babies. Otherwise the real situation of China’s population will be harder and harder to conceal from now on.

https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/6/2/chinas-lethal-vaccine-reverse-population-control-chinas-covid-death-toll-amp-other-related-issues

North you appear to be confusing totalitarian nightmare North Korea

With flourishing prosperous China

They aren't even in the same ballpark

Chinese people are prosperous
They wear designer clothes
They are more likely to suffer from obesity then starvation
They can freely travel around the country and come to Australia
To study or for a holiday

I was reading a very good book written by a lady who escaped from North Korea
People their survive by eating insects
The vast majority of the population are not even aware there is a thing called the internet
The vast majority of the population do not have electricity
And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long
The average height is now 4 foot 10 due to chronic malnutrition
She describes being in the hospital and rats feeding on dead people
And patients trapping rats to provide themselves with some nutrition

You really need to stop painting the very successful Chinese state
As some sort of North Korean horror show

It is absolutely nothing like that

No one in North Korea is a where what the internet is
The CCP has more people training in software design then the rest of the world combined

Admit you're error and your cognitive dissonance
And embrace the miraculous and spectacular success of the Chinese system

By the way north my farming friends tell me that
Kiwi fruit cuttings have been smuggled into China
And China will soon be the the world's largest producer of kiwi fruit
So strategic
So dominant

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

North you appear to be confusing totalitarian nightmare North Korea With flourishing prosperous China

No, I'm not... You are simply acting as a shill for totalitarianism...

Those kinds of posts of yours say more about you than you'd ever want to realise or concede.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

North you appear to be confusing totalitarian nightmare North Korea With flourishing prosperous China They aren't even in the same ballpark

But, since you brought North Korea up, which country supports the murderous and psychopathic Kim dynasty in North Korea?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

I was reading a very good book written by a lady who escaped from North Korea People their survive by eating insects The vast majority of the population are not even aware there is a thing called the internet The vast majority of the population do not have electricity And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long The average height is now 4 foot 10 due to chronic malnutrition She describes being in the hospital and rats feeding on dead people And patients trapping rats to provide themselves with some nutrition

Come on... Were you really 'reading a book' or listening to Jordan Peterson's interview with Yeonmi Park?

According to Scooot, "The vast majority of the population do not have electricity
And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long "

No electricity but lots of batteries?

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

According to Scooot, "The vast majority of the population do not have electricity And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long " No electricity but lots of batteries?

Yes... That was revealed by Yeonmi Park. No doubt batteries are a big item for North Koreans, but not for torches. That would be a crime in NK: the illegal creation of light.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

According to Scooot, "The vast majority of the population do not have electricity And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long " No electricity but lots of batteries?

Crystal Radio

I bet aqua uses one of these.  ;D

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Haters Gunna hate :D

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 11:14am:

Haters Gunna hate :D

And if you're going to quote Yeonmi Park, also include what she revealed about the Chinese regime... People trafficking, slavery, sexual predation on North Korean refugees by regime officials or those protected by them...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 11:16am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 11:14am: Haters Gunna hate :D And if you're going to quote Yeonmi Park, also include what she revealed about the Chinese regime... People trafficking, slavery, sexual predation on North Korean refugees by regime officials or those protected by them...

how can you possibly compare china to north korea?

china is an importer of fine wines, luxury cars, designer goods.
it makes electric vehicles.
its children study in universities in america and australia.
europe is full of its tourists.
it has the worlds best high speed rail network

north korea has people eating grass and living like a primitive people with no modern infrastructure, no power, no food, no education.


your comparison is quite insane

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 11:16am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 11:14am: Haters Gunna hate :D And if you're going to quote Yeonmi Park, also include what she revealed about the Chinese regime... People trafficking, slavery, sexual predation on North Korean refugees by regime officials or those protected by them... how can you possibly compare china to north korea?

I'm not. You are.

I'm discussing China's repressive and paranoid regime regarding their virus.

You're playing whataboutism with another murderous, repressive, paranoid and psychopathic regime that, incidentally, China protects, aids and supports.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

Jennifer Zeng: There is no need for the CCP to hide the death tolls of the CCP virus pandemic in China, as there are no numbers. Only the CCP has the ability to collect and release the numbers. If it chooses to not collect or release the numbers, it is very hard for anybody else to have the numbers at all. The reason why I said the death toll could be millions or tens of millions is based on the numbers of cellphone users released by the CCP itself, as well as the recent official national census results. According to CCP’s own census numbers, in 2020, 14.61 million people died, while in 2019, only 9.45 million died. So there were 5 million more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. So what’s the difference between 2020 and 2019? The only major one was the pandemic. So it is very reasonable for us to assume that at least 5 million people died of the CCP virus in China. https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/6/2/chinas-lethal-vaccine-reverse-population-control-chinas-covid-death-toll-amp-other-related-issues

I think it would be quite reasonable for the coronavirus to have killed millions of Chinese people in the last 18 months. But, we could estimate that of the 5 million more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019, there were probably more old people dying and dying at an older age. The elderly in China lived longer than expected and then died of natural causes in greater numbers, some whom had recovered from the virus but died because of other complications. Perhaps 3 million Chinese people have died from covid19. That is only my estimate based on this link.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 4:40pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:50am: Jennifer Zeng: There is no need for the CCP to hide the death tolls of the CCP virus pandemic in China, as there are no numbers. Only the CCP has the ability to collect and release the numbers. If it chooses to not collect or release the numbers, it is very hard for anybody else to have the numbers at all. The reason why I said the death toll could be millions or tens of millions is based on the numbers of cellphone users released by the CCP itself, as well as the recent official national census results. According to CCP’s own census numbers, in 2020, 14.61 million people died, while in 2019, only 9.45 million died. So there were 5 million more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. So what’s the difference between 2020 and 2019? The only major one was the pandemic. So it is very reasonable for us to assume that at least 5 million people died of the CCP virus in China. https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/6/2/chinas-lethal-vaccine-reverse-population-control-chinas-covid-death-toll-amp-other-related-issues Perhaps 3 million Chinese people have died from covid19. That is only my estimate based on this link.

Well, that in itself doubles the total world number of deaths.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 8:59am:

And so... Why suddenly the three-child policy?

My conspiracy theory was that the virus was released deliberately in China for the purpose of passively-aggressively getting rid of the elderly who are too frail to work. The elderly are considered a burden on their families (even though the families usually love their elderly parents/grandparents).

When the Chinese fled overseas to avoid being in China during their pandemic, some of the travellers brought their virus with them to new countries. Some of those were doing it deliberately. I recall an article about a Chinese student who was infected with the virus who came to Australia with the intent on getting Australians sick. If I can find the article (likely an opinion piece), I will post the link.

As for the three-child policy of China, I would guess that the Chinese are gearing up to make reinforcements to take on the world. China is well placed to be able to build an economy with a shrinking population. They will need to handle an elderly population. An extra child per family will likely to help China in terms of having the manpower to outmuscle the likes of the United States.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 4:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 4:40pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 7:50am: Jennifer Zeng: There is no need for the CCP to hide the death tolls of the CCP virus pandemic in China, as there are no numbers. Only the CCP has the ability to collect and release the numbers. If it chooses to not collect or release the numbers, it is very hard for anybody else to have the numbers at all. The reason why I said the death toll could be millions or tens of millions is based on the numbers of cellphone users released by the CCP itself, as well as the recent official national census results. According to CCP’s own census numbers, in 2020, 14.61 million people died, while in 2019, only 9.45 million died. So there were 5 million more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. So what’s the difference between 2020 and 2019? The only major one was the pandemic. So it is very reasonable for us to assume that at least 5 million people died of the CCP virus in China. https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/6/2/chinas-lethal-vaccine-reverse-population-control-chinas-covid-death-toll-amp-other-related-issues Perhaps 3 million Chinese people have died from covid19. That is only my estimate based on this link. Well, that in itself doubles the total world number of deaths.

yeah, it still comes in at about 10 % of the spanish flu toll and , taking into account world population has quadrupled, it makes you realise what a storm in a teacup covid is  ::) ::)

How can you believe any of the death toll figures....anywhere in the world?
What, all of a sudden they're now "being honest".
Yeah right....  ;D ;D ;D
It was all about inflating the figures from the start. The financial gain was truly rewarding, except in China. They went the other way and denied any new case. That happened pretty much overnight.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

North you appear to be confusing totalitarian nightmare North Korea With flourishing prosperous China They aren't even in the same ballpark Chinese people are prosperous They wear designer clothes They are more likely to suffer from obesity then starvation They can freely travel around the country and come to Australia To study or for a holiday I was reading a very good book written by a lady who escaped from North Korea People their survive by eating insects The vast majority of the population are not even aware there is a thing called the internet The vast majority of the population do not have electricity And they have one radio station which plays government propaganda all day long The average height is now 4 foot 10 due to chronic malnutrition She describes being in the hospital and rats feeding on dead people And patients trapping rats to provide themselves with some nutrition You really need to stop painting the very successful Chinese state As some sort of North Korean horror show It is absolutely nothing like that No one in North Korea is a where what the internet is The CCP has more people training in software design then the rest of the world combined Admit you're error and your cognitive dissonance And embrace the miraculous and spectacular success of the Chinese system By the way north my farming friends tell me that Kiwi fruit cuttings have been smuggled into China And China will soon be the the world's largest producer of kiwi fruit So strategic So dominant

Whats wearing designer clothes got to do with people dying from Corona? Does the virus only target the less fashionable now?  :-/

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

How can you believe any of the death toll figures....anywhere in the world? What, all of a sudden they're now "being honest". Yeah right....  ;D ;D ;D It was all about inflating the figures from the start. The financial gain was truly rewarding, except in China. They went the other way and denied any new case. That happened pretty much overnight.

Show this financial gain.

rhino wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:26pm:

Whats wearing designer clothes got to do with people dying from Corona? Does the virus only target the less fashionable now?  :-/

If it does, then I am a dead man.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 4:42pm:

Well, that in itself doubles the total world number of deaths.

There are currently 3.7 million deaths worldwide. Considering that China stopped counting cases and death tolls early last year, they have only reported 4,500+ deaths. If 3 million Chinese died from covid, then it would be likely that the real death toll worldwide is about 6 or 7 million.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 4:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 8:59am: And so... Why suddenly the three-child policy? My conspiracy theory was that the virus was released deliberately in China for the purpose of passively-aggressively getting rid of the elderly who are too frail to work. The elderly are considered a burden on their families (even though the families usually love their elderly parents/grandparents).

Sure feeds into the plot of a conspiracy theory!

The one-child policy starts the drop in birthrate, but that created the problem of a quickly aging population.

Then, in 2016, the two-child policy is enacted which has failed because a cultural theme of 'lay-flat-ism' has developed among China's 'Little Emperors' (the progeny of the one-child family) - China's millennials with a version of 'turn on, tune in and drop out', with Chinese characteristics, of course.

Lie-flat-ism is about not striving for a good job, living as simply as possible with no ambition and, most importantly, not having children.

Then a virus that kills the old almost exclusively...

Then in 2021, the three-child policy...

How long will it be before Chinese nationals are forced to have children? It's been done before - during the communist era in Romania under Ceausescu which created a 'plague' of abandoned children.

Abandoned children means more slaves for industries.

Sure got all the motifs of a dystopian movie script!

We can't get many Australian born women to have replacement level children. White women want to have at most 2 children. Asian women seem to have 1 or 2 children. Aboriginal women pop out at least 3 children.

After being told not to breed too much since 1978, the Chinese just cannot seem to be able to undo the fertility decline. They might have to start changing their policy of sterilising west and southwest Asians who do not share the ideals that Beijing want to promote.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 11:31pm:

After being told not to breed too much since 1978, the Chinese just cannot seem to be able to undo the fertility decline. They might have to start changing their policy of sterilising west and southwest Asians who do not share the ideals that Beijing want to promote.

Careful! You might give them ideas!!

The Chinese regime's activities runs as if it's reading from a dystopian novel co-written by Orwell and Huxley.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 7:26am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 11:31pm: After being told not to breed too much since 1978, the Chinese just cannot seem to be able to undo the fertility decline. They might have to start changing their policy of sterilising west and southwest Asians who do not share the ideals that Beijing want to promote. Careful! You might give them ideas!! The Chinese regime's activities runs as if it's reading from a dystopian novel co-written by Orwell and Huxley.

There is no point in complaining about not having enough children when a government actively sterilises Uighurs and kills Tibetans. You either want to contract your population or expand it. Very seldom is there a levelling off of the population.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 1:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 8th, 2021 at 7:26am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2021 at 11:31pm: After being told not to breed too much since 1978, the Chinese just cannot seem to be able to undo the fertility decline. They might have to start changing their policy of sterilising west and southwest Asians who do not share the ideals that Beijing want to promote. Careful! You might give them ideas!! The Chinese regime's activities runs as if it's reading from a dystopian novel co-written by Orwell and Huxley. There is no point in complaining about not having enough children when a government actively sterilises Uighurs and kills Tibetans. You either want to contract your population or expand it. Very seldom is there a levelling off of the population.

It might have worked if they'd had a mass murder drive of the over-70s.

Maybe the next thing will be a dystopian 'Logan's Run' policy hot out of the regime's oven of hell.

I do not get the "Logan's Run" reference. Movie for me to look up tonight.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 9:20pm:

I do not get the "Logan's Run" reference. Movie for me to look up tonight.

We are living in it, except for the early retirement. You will get that meaning when you watch it.