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Title: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 9:15am

Not sure if anyone has heard about the rumoured release of Windows 11 shortly?

Microsoft wants you to calm down about Windows 11 (in a twisted, wonderful way)

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-wants-you-to-calm-down-about-windows-11-in-a-twisted-wonderful-way/

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You've barely slept, right?

You've spent so much time thinking about it that you've hardly been able to focus on a single Zoom call. I mean, Teams call.

Your family is ignoring you and your dog once even tried to feed you.

I bring you good news. Microsoft understands how excited you are at witnessing the next edition of the software that has become your most useful limb, Windows.

Windows 11 is allegedly to be unveiled on June 24 and, frankly, that's just too many days, isn't it? So Microsoft has decided to speak directly to you and offer you a calming tincture. More precisely, a calming timbre. Even more precisely, several.

;D ;D ::)

Well, I'm not excited or anywhere near it but I have downloaded a 'leaked' ISO of "Windows 11" and I'm toying with the idea of putting it onto a USB stick and giving it a try - on a spare SSD (Solid State Drive), of course.

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Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 11:31am

i am still windows 7 and 11 sounds horrible. prolly worse than 10

Sppot

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 11:45am

Hi, Sir Spot.

Bit of interesting reading on this new forum which has just been set up:

https://www.elevenforum.com/

I'm a member of their Windows 7 and 10 forums which have been around for years (I believe Kat here mentioned these forums a few years back and I signed up at the time. Thanks, Kat). :)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by lee on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:42pm

Is it Unix/Linux based as rumoured?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 3:21pm

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:42pm:

Is it Unix/Linux based as rumoured?

I've seen the rumours too but the consensus of opinion seems to be "No".

Someone said it would probably be "corporate suicide" for Microsoft to do something like that.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 3:46pm

My advice - don't be the first to try it -
wait at least one year.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 4:03pm

Are you going to have to have a computer with 16GB of RAM and a processor speed that would make NASA employees proud to use for a computer?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Valkie on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 1:47pm

I wish I could go back to windows 7.

It was the last one that actually worked properly.

This virus called windows 10 is a total joke, looks like 11 will be as bad or worse.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Neferti on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:11pm

I got this comment from a friend. ::)

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Is Windows something like Ubuntu?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:19pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 1:47pm:

I wish I could go back to windows 7.

It was the last one that actually worked properly.

This virus called windows 10 is a total joke, looks like 11 will be as bad or worse.

At my last job - they upgraded to Win10.
Next thing - half the printers and other devices wouldn't work.
Even so called Win10 patches for firmware/software upgrades
for those devices didn't work.
We had to buy mega bucks worth of new devices.
It was all a con to sell more printers etc.

I am still happy with Win7 at home on my desktop.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Valkie on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:19pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 1:47pm:

I wish I could go back to windows 7.

It was the last one that actually worked properly.

This virus called windows 10 is a total joke, looks like 11 will be as bad or worse.

Yeah, I keep an old Toshiba which I keep the old OS on.

I use it for some engineering programs and games I have that refuse to work on windows 10, even with patches.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Neferti on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:30pm

My old Toshiba laptop has Win7. My desktop runs Win 8.1. I have never tried Win 10 and don't want to.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:32pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:19pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 1:47pm:

I wish I could go back to windows 7.

It was the last one that actually worked properly.

This virus called windows 10 is a total joke, looks like 11 will be as bad or worse.

Yeah, I keep an old Toshiba which I keep the old OS on.

I use it for some engineering programs and games I have that refuse to work on windows 10, even with patches.

One day we'll find out that Microsoft caused 100 million tonnes of
electronic waste by deliberately colluding with printer
manufacturers to make sure the
older printers etc wouldn't work anymore.
It's actually quite evil.
It's a form of robbery by the big multi-nationals.

Also - I found that the new printers you buy are full of cheap
plastic parts that will break within 3 years.
The older printers never died and had heaps of strong metal parts.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:36pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

My old Toshiba laptop has Win7. My desktop runs Win 8.1. I have never tried Win 10 and don't want to.

Win10 is OK unless you have Win7 programs
and Win7 devices you want to run.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 3:45pm

I think Microsoft needs to figure out a way of undoing the superfluous programs that Windows has to offer. If someone wants a certain program, they should download it for themselves. But if the processor and RAM is getting increased with every generation of computer, then it is not a problem.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 5:57pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 3:45pm:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/how-to-remove-unwanted-apps-from-windows-10/

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Gordon on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:31pm

Can it...

https://youtu.be/KxaCOHT0pmI

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:41pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 3:21pm:

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:42pm:

Is it Unix/Linux based as rumoured?

I've seen the rumours too but the consensus of opinion seems to be "No".

Someone said it would probably be "corporate suicide" for Microsoft to do something like that.

You may both be confused, MS cannot use the Linux kernel for many reasons. What you both may be referring to is Windows Subsystem for Linux.

I haven't used it but I envision it to be something like Wine is to Linux. It will be interesting to see how it goes but I've been using Debian/Gnu since I gave up on OS/2 in about '96-7 and I'm not inclines to move to Windows for it. I'm happy where I am.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm

Microsoft once referred to Linux as "Communism". Linux has a non-commercial license, something Microsoft cannot and will not commit to. Linux is a cleaner, more robust system than Windows. Windows is optimised for management via a centralised server and Linux is not. There are various work-arounds that cover that aspect of Linus use in the commercial workplace but they are not a core component of the Operating System. Windows suffers from poor security and poor interaction with the network. Linux does not. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by lee on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:55pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

You may both be confused, MS cannot use the Linux kernel for many reasons. What you both may be referring to is Windows Subsystem for Linux.

or not

"With Microsoft embracing Linux ever more tightly, might it do the heretofore unthinkable and dump the NT kernel in favor of the Linux kernel? No, I’m not ready for the funny farm. As it prepares Windows 11, Microsoft has been laying the groundwork for such a radical release.

I’ve long toyed with the idea that Microsoft could release a desktop Linux. Now I’ve started taking that idea more seriously — with a twist. Microsoft could replace Windows’ innards, the NT kernel, with a Linux kernel.

It would still look like Windows. For most users, it would still work like Windows. But the engine running it all would be Linux."

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3438856/call-me-crazy-but-windows-11-could-run-on-linux.html

"Linux-based Windows 12 Lite is '3x faster than Windows 10' and 'immune from ransomware'"

https://betanews.com/2020/02/10/linux-based-windows-12-lite/

Edit: "Windows 11 - Still not Linux-based"

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&p=2027906

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 7:18pm

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

You may both be confused, MS cannot use the Linux kernel for many reasons. What you both may be referring to is Windows Subsystem for Linux.

I'd like to see it but I don't imagine MS would base their OS on another's kernel that must be open sourced. No BSD licence. Windows would have been a better OS from the get go if they follow what they were supposed to do, with IBM and OS/2.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:10pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

You have a Linux/Unix Systems Engineer here, Set. Got a problem with someone making his professional living from a real OS?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

You have a Linux/Unix Systems Engineer here, Set. Got a problem with someone making his professional living from a real OS?

Depends, is a real OS only the one you run? Are you as much of an OS bigot as you are elsewhere in your psyche?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:43pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

You have a Linux/Unix Systems Engineer here, Set. Got a problem with someone making his professional living from a real OS?

Depends, is a real OS only the one you run? Are you as much of an OS bigot as you are elsewhere in your psyche?

Windows is a useless OS for servers. It is adequate for use on PCs. It has, I admit superior PC management tools. Linux can nearly match in that regard. Windows though is insecure and stupid in how it handles ACLs.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 6:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

You have a Linux/Unix Systems Engineer here, Set. Got a problem with someone making his professional living from a real OS?

Depends, is a real OS only the one you run? Are you as much of an OS bigot as you are elsewhere in your psyche?

I wish Linux had nested group ACLs.

I suppose I'm just not as vocally rabid as you. I don't care what OS people choose. I did net/sys admin/build a school from no network to Linux server with 400 Windows clients using LDAP and Samba. I also helped build a local ISP back in the late '90s, about '98 that was linux based 50 modem. It died with the expansion of big ISPs. It's not a hosting service. The other half of the business was, making/selling/suporting PCs is still going and is in Casino now. I did consulting with them for dealing with WinNT servers.

I guess I have been guilty of posting here that Windows belongs in a VM.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 8:36pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Do we have a Linux fanboi here?

You have a Linux/Unix Systems Engineer here, Set. Got a problem with someone making his professional living from a real OS?

Depends, is a real OS only the one you run? Are you as much of an OS bigot as you are elsewhere in your psyche?

I wish Linux had nested group ACLs.

Doesn't need them. Windows doesn't do ACLs at all well. They are clumsy and difficult to administer easily.

Quote:

I suppose I'm just not as vocally rabid as you.

Because I spoke up, I am "vocally rabid"? I find your claims about my views rather bizarre.

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I don't care what OS people choose.

Neither do I, particularly. There are swings and roundabouts and to deny them is in itself rather silly IMO. People are familiar with Windoze. They choose Windoze. Most people are scared of the unfamiliar and they are not familiar with Linux. They do not understand the problems with a home OS like Windoze.

Quote:

I did net/sys admin/build a school from no network to Linux server with 400 Windows clients using LDAP and Samba. I also helped build a local ISP back in the late '90s, about '98 that was linux based 50 modem. It died with the expansion of big ISPs. It's not a hosting service. The other half of the business was, making/selling/suporting PCs is still going and is in Casino now. I did consulting with them for dealing with WinNT servers.

I guess I have been guilty of posting here that Windows belongs in a VM.

I have used computers for over 40 years. I have programmed mainframes. I have administered minis. I have administered NT and Windoze servers and PCs. I have administered Linux servers. They all have problems. I think the biggest problem with Windoze machines in the people that use them. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

I called you a fanboi because you tend to throw what you use and what you think of other OSs in the wrong discussions, such as this thread we are in and the one you imposed on over at https://www.polanimal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=18333&start=10#p303978

When you do this in a thread about Windows, why do you think it's good form to throw out the equivalent of "I use Linux, dumbarses use Windoze!" That's what a fanboi does.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 7:45pm

Quote:

Re: Win11 is almost here.
Post by brian ross » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:19 pm

Jovial Monk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:14 pm
brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:06 pm
Linux is a better OS than Windoze. Far better. No ransomware for Linux. :roll: :roll:
MacOS is even better tho!
MacOS is a branded version of Linux.

WTF? :-/

Linux is a Kernel. MacOS is based on the BSD Kernel. The BSD license allows commercial use and even the Gnu/Linux systems we use as well as Windows has/had it's share of BSD licensed code. OSX is BSD, not Linux.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 1:44am

Well, it doesn't look like either of my desktop PC's will be able to run Windows 11 since it apparently will only run on 8th Generation CPU's and above.

The CPU's for two PC's I have here are as follows:

4th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4160 CPU @ 3.60GHz (Haswell). ASUS H81M-PLUS motherboard. Which is the one I'm using right now.

7th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7600 CPU @ 3.50GHz (Kaby Lake). Gigabyte B250M-D3H motherboard.

Oddly enough, the little 11 inch Lenovo laptop I bought a few weeks back should be able to run Windows 11 with its Intel(R) Celeron N4020 CPU. But, I probably won't bother and just leave Windows 10 on it.

Lots of people are annoyed about this "8th Generation and above CPU's only" BS from Microsoft and quite a few of them (myself included) believe it is a ploy to boost new computer/component sales.

At least Windows 10 is still supported for another 4 years. Unless Microsoft change their minds, of course.

(I still haven't tried installing the Windows 11 ISO I mentioned in my first post on the desktop PC's or the laptop and I probably won't bother now).

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 1:49pm

Setanta, if I am a "fanboi" simply because I recognise that there is an alternative to Windoze, then what does it make all the Windoze users? Windows "fanbois" and "fangerls"? What does it make you? Why are you posting things from another forum, apparently, holding them against me? Seems you have a problem when I mention Linux. Does Linus Torvolds upset you with his efforts to take on Window? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 6:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 1:49pm:

It's you posting about Linux when the discussion is about Windows 11. What you use is irrelevant, Linux is irrelevant. The last version of Windows that I used that was not in a VM was 3.11. I have no probs with Linux, I've used Debian since ~1996. When you come into a thread about another OS and crap on how yours is better, that is being a fanboi.

Start a Linux thread and go for it, promote it to your hearts content. The reason for the cross post was to show you don't just do it here, it seems to be a compulsion for you to post about Linux in a Windows thread.

When Windows users come into your Linux thread and tell you windows is better, I'll call them fanbois too.

And then there is the whole OSX is Linux bullshit, for a fanboi you are not very knowledgeable.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 9:16pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I got one thing wrong. Such a silly person am I. Who cares if it is BSD or Linux? I was always told it was Linux.

You really do have a bee in your bonnet, don't you, Set? Tsk, tsk. Windoze Fanboi... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 9:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

Dearie, Dearie you? Jesus H, Brian. You got more than one thing wrong over at PA but the only thing I was interested in was your fanboi stuff. Should I expand my view of your crap to pay out on?

You like the idiot you are believed some twonk that said OSX was a Linux Kernel and you parroted it like the unthinking parrot you are that parrots what they like to hear, much like your defense of Pascoe.

You keep telling us how uber smart you are and you didn't even check it out, sounds good says Brian, goes with my thinking, I'll accept that without evidence. You were the one pimping your IT skills, I'm just calling you out.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 10:49pm

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Belgarion on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 10:53pm

I still use Windows 7. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 11:30pm

Microsoft May Change the Windows 11 Minimum System Requirements

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/252536/microsoft-may-change-the-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements

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The drama continues. Acknowledging its terrible communication on this topic, Microsoft now says it will review its Windows 11 system requirements.

Quote:

Finally coming clean on the 8th-generation Intel Core (and AMD Zen 2 and Qualcomm 7/8) requirements, Microsoft now says that it will test whether Windows 11 can work well enough on 7th-generation Intel Core and AMD Zen 1 processors during the short Insider testing period this summer. If they pass muster, users with those processors will be able to upgrade in October (or whenever Microsoft turns on the upgrades, which could be early 2022, actually).

If this works out then I may be able to run Windows 11 on one of my current desktop PC's, at least. Although I may not bother since Windows 10 is running just fine on both PC's and the laptop right now.

Oh, and a quick heads up for anyone reading this who wants to use the Microsoft "PC Health Check" app to see if their PC can run Windows 11 because Microsoft have temporarily removed the app.

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/windows-11-announced/#post-2374519

Scumbags everywhere (as usual) with nothing better to do than attempting to infect or damage other peoples' computers.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by 0ktema on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 12:56am

The current official list of ...
Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors
(as of 06/24/2021)

Lets hope it expands

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 2:34pm

Linux runs on basically any processor... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

Linux runs on basically any processor... ::) ::)

So it does, perhaps you'll be able to pick up a cheap S/H PC for peanuts soon. Maybe I can buy an i7-4770K for my Z87-PRO MB cheap instead of the i5-4670K currently socketted there.

Still doesn't explain your fanboi posts, which that post of yours is.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 7:49pm

Just saw this on another forum.

;D ;D ;D

TqNU3t4.jpg (48 KB | 16 )

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 8:28pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

Linux runs on basically any processor... ::) ::)

You appear unwilling to accept my posts when they suggest an alternative to Windoze. Funny that, Fanboi... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 8:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

Linux runs on basically any processor... ::) ::)

You appear unwilling to accept my posts when they suggest an alternative to Windoze. Funny that, Fanboi... ::) ::)

;D

You lose the fanboi argument from the get go, as I've said, I use Linux and have since OS/2 was abandoned. So let me ask, what am I a fanboi of? Do you know what it means even?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi

Edit: d----:/proc# uname -a
Linux d----.b---------.local 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:06pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 10:53pm:

I still use Windows 7. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

It is broke, fix it. Win7 has been deprecated and will have no security updates. You might be fine today but someone will eventually pwn it.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:11pm

You appear upset whenever I mention Linux, Setanta. I have administered Windoze and Linux OSs for over 45 years. I have used Windoze since version 2. Never used OS/2, never needed to. I have used mainframes, minis, servers and PCs and Macs and administered them as well. People are free to use what they like. Most people prefer Windoze or MacOS. I enjoy explaining that there are alternatives. You appear upset by my mentioning them. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:11pm:

You are a clown, Brian. Like I've said, if you want to promote Linux, feel free in another thread. Poncing on about Linux in a Windows thread is fanboi, it's uncalled for and unhelpful. In fact on many sites it would be called trolling. You could have used computers for 100 years and still be a tool. I did programming in Basic in 1979 at Mt Lawley Tech(Tafe now?) in Perth, so that's my start. Listing what you think you want us to believe and what I really think of your Resume are entirely at odds. You're a fanboi and you know very little of OSes as you have shown, here and at PA, stop embarrassing yourself.

edit: This right here shows how much shyte you are full of.

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I have administered Windoze and Linux OSs for over 45 years.

No, you have not. Now tell us you even invented them many years before they even existed or that you are a time traveller.

Microsoft released Windows 1.0 on November 6, 1985
Linux began in 1991 as a personal project by Finnish student Linus Torvalds: to create a new free operating system kernel.

Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

edit2: I bet you have used OS/2, most of our ATMs ran it before it was abandoned by IBM, ever use one?

Quote:

Typical platforms previously used in ATM development include RMX or OS/2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 10:42pm

I first encountered Windows 2.0 way back in about 1987. It was terrible. It didn't work and it showed. I used Linux from about 1998. I didn't mean to emply that both are that old but I have used them from the very early days. Very early days. I first encountered Unix is 1987 as well. I have used and administered VMS, Pyramid OS, I have dabbled with IBM 390s, Macs and I have used various other machines as well. I mention Linux because it is a superior OS compared to Windoze. It has problems, they all have problems to some degree or other. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 1:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 10:42pm:

VMS, my favourite system. DEC were great engineers.

Did you know the guy that designed VMS went to Microsoft and he designed the Kernel of NT that is the foundation of Windows today. If you look at many of the architectural aspects of Windows now you will see many similarities to VMS.

MS DOS was a hobby OS.

NT and therefore Windows is an enterprise grade OS.

People live in the past too much. I am guilty of this too. I slagged off MS DOS for years and didn't look at NT closely. My mistake, a missed opportunity. I was surprised to learn how from NT on, how well engineered Windows is.

I have the Windows Internals 6 Part 1 and 2 on my book shelve. It looks like VMS in many ways.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 2:20pm

The dude was Dave Cutler. (quick google)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler

Microsoft Windows NT
Cutler left Digital for Microsoft in October 1988 and led the development of Windows NT. Later, he worked on targeting Windows NT to Digital's 64-bit Alpha architecture then on Windows 2000. After the demise of Windows on Alpha (and the demise of Digital), he was instrumental in porting Windows to AMD's new 64-bit AMD64 architecture. He was officially involved with the Windows XP Pro 64-bit and Windows Server 2003 SP1 64-bit releases. He moved to working on Microsoft's Live Platform in August 2006. Dave Cutler was awarded the prestigious status of Senior Technical Fellow at Microsoft.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 3:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

"Windows is a useless OS for servers."

That is really an uninformed statement.

An example is that Windows running SQLServer is now more powerful, scalable and more multithreaded than Oracle running on any OS.

Window Server is far from useless. If you want to run freeware forum software, or just one simple application, go cheap, use Unix or one of it's variants.

Have you written any programs on Windows, have you seen what is in .NET. Can you see how the operating system is rich and allows you to do anything you can dream of doing.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 7:15pm

Super Nova wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Now you are doing a Brian? The internet was invented on Unix and some of them were certainly not cheap. Apple's OS X is Unix, is it cheaper that Windows? Linux is "Unix-like" not Unix. The NT kernel was supposed to me a microkernel but it turned monolithic. In the world of ideas only time will yell "better" unless it's personal preference. Although I've used Linux before Windows users were given NT(New Technology), and it was back then, NT sucked. In my experience the NT kernel these days is as well developed as any.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 9:04pm

LOL, I am Brianish.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm

Be careful, Supernova you'll have Matty claim you're a sock of mine... :o

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 12:45am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

Be careful, Supernova you'll have Matty claim you're a sock of mine... :o

LOL

I loved VMS and the things you could do through all the System Services and how things hung together. DCL was way ahead of it's time. And yes it was a big Kernel and had Supervisor layers.

Windows OS is similar in many ways as an OS, forget Windows UI. I find the numbers of processes looks messy but they need to keep all the legacy crap running.

The biggest issue with Windows OS in this modern day is it doesn't have an App Model with proper containers for applications like a phone (I don't know what is happening on the apple PC OS) Maybe Windows 11 will address this as they are promoting their App store and you will be able to run Android Apps on it.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Super Nova on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 12:52am

Oh and BTW, I am not anti Unix.

I worked on Unix and QNX that ran on a PC.

QNX was brilliant, it allows us to build a full scale solution, serving 100 terminals running a gaming application all on a single PC. It was fast, easy to design and code for (I love C) and just worked without issues.

Good for development, good in operation, worked reliability and was cost effective, a winner.

Horses for courses.

What makes windows a winner is the number of commercial applications that run on it. It is not the OS really, it is the applications. Excel is the best application every built.

(Now I am in for it) :-X

So

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 6:13pm

Super Nova wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 9:04pm:

LOL, I am Brianish.

OK, that was probably a bit harsh, no-one should have that slur cast upon them, I apologise. You did not come into a Win thread and go all fanboi.

I was trying to point out the comment about Unix/variants was not a particularly nice summation of their usefulness, "if you wanna do something cheap and nasty, use Unix"... The flip side to that is Win server is the best.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Setanta on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 6:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

Be careful, Supernova you'll have Matty claim you're a sock of mine... :o

Damn! That Matty gets around! A sly one that!

“They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Pimpernel”

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 2:08pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc

You Probably WON'T Be Able to Use Windows 11

280K views
Jun 29, 2021

Gary Explains
220K subscribers

Microsoft has drawn an arbitrary line and declared that PCs and laptops with processors from only a few years ago (even 2018) won't work with Windows 11. This is crazy and Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.

Windows 11 won't support Intel Core chips like the i3, i5, i7, etc that are older than the 8th generation or AMD Ryzen 3/5/7 processors before the 3xxx series. The Ryzen 3 3xxx only came out in 2019!

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Carl D on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 6:20pm

Bobby, I strongly suspect Microsoft will be relenting on those absurd restrictions by the time Windows 11 is officially released.

I've already seen people posting workarounds to enable the early release versions of Windows 11 to be installed on 7th Generation and earlier processors and also to get around the TPM2 (Trusted Platform Module) requirement.

Mind you, these workarounds probably won't work anymore by the time Windows 11 is released to the 'masses', especially when Microsoft are no doubt aware of what people are doing so far to get around the restrictions.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Bobby. on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 6:25pm

Carl D wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Microsoft is a criminal organisation to do this.
They want 90% of the world's computers chucked in rubbish dumps.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 16^th, 2021 at 11:14am

My laptop - ASUS N76VZ does not have TPM so Windows 11 is a no-go for it.

I'm happy with Windows 10 anyhow. 8-)