Labor promises to axe privatised cashless welfare card
In Daily May 26 2021
The federal opposition says it will end a controversial, privatised cashless debit welfare card if elected – but backs a government-run alternative being available if communities ask for it.



Labor this week said it would scrap the government’s Cashless Debit Card program and “consult with communities on a localised approach to addressing employment issues”.

The Cashless Debit Card is managed by private company Indue.

The federal government previously paid Indue up to $10,000 per card for the program, while the Australian Council of Social Services last year said initial card trials cost taxpayers $18.9 million, of which $10 million went to the card operator.   :(

The government has since refused to reveal Indue’s payments for running the scheme.   :(

Under the welfare management scheme, 80 per cent of a low-income recipient’s payments are quarantined so that money cannot be spent on alcohol, drugs or for gambling.

The scheme is currently being trialled in South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory. A bid to make the program permanent last year failed but the trial was extended for two years.

Under Labor’s proposal, communities would be able to volunteer to participate in a government-run equivalent of the debit card scheme.

“We think there’s a role if communities are requesting a government-run system in terms of cashless welfare,” Opposition leader Anthony Albanese said this week.

“I don’t want to say that it never has a role … but the idea of a privatised organisation running the welfare system like this and doing it in a way in which they have an interest in its expansion, that’s the thing.

“They introduced the profit motive above what is the public interest. It’s the public interest that’s got to count here.

“The truth is that for some communities, unlimited cashless card assists some communities, particularly women, in remote communities who requested it, effectively, and wanted this to happen for their communities so that they were making sure that they were buying essentials for themselves and their kids.”

Albanese said the federal government’s proposal to expand the card “defies its own evidence”.

The Morrison government has said the card was intended to assist with financial management, encourage people to find work and reduce substance abuse – but findings from studies into the card have found little evidence to support this.   :(

Research from the University of South Australia and Monash University released last year showed “no substantiative impact on measures of gambling, drug and alcohol abuse, crime or emergency department presentations”.

Dr Luke Greenacre, who co-led the study, told InDaily while there had been some evidence of “little pockets of success in specific communities” the card’s average effectiveness was “basically zero”.

“For the cost of the program relative to the benefits that can kind of be supported around the edges, it’s largely not worth pursuing further,” he said.

Greenacre said under the opposition’s proposal, the federal government may need to set up credit card facilities and operate as the supplier.

“One of the ideas behind the Indue card was that it would use the standard Eftpos and credit card systems that are implemented in every store across the country,” he said.

“As it’s currently technologically designed they will need a company to do that for them.

“If they were going to repeal that private company then you’ll need something more akin to a basis card, which again has a very different format of implementation, because that often restricts where you can shop not just what you can buy.

“And a person can’t travel as well with the basics card.”

The Australian Unemployed Workers Union has urged the opposition to “take a principled position for once” saying government funding would be better spent on community programs.

“There are better ways to support people who want assistance with financial management and these programs already exist,” a spokesperson said.

“Instead of wasting public money on income management for people on payments, the ALP should commit to investing these funds in community-designed programs that address the underlying causes of challenges the government claims the Cashless Debit Card and Basics Card are supposed to solve.”

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo

It was our only chance for get the chronically lazy parasites actually doing something.

Bugger

Cashless welfare card is ONLY about transferring taxpayer funds to donors pockets whilst making villains of the unemployed ...

if anyone thinks it serves any other purpose they have sheat for brains

Well said John Smith, how right you are.  The cashless welfare card idea belongs in the rubbish bin.   :(   

whiteknight wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 5:43pm:

Well said John Smith, how right you are.  The cashless welfare card idea belongs in the rubbish bin.   :(

Then why does Labor support changing it to a Government run cashless  welfare card ?

Why do people need any type of cashless welfare card?.   :( 

You have to wonder how a private company makes a profit from it if the are not ripping off the communities ?

Whoops I may have answered my own question.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 6:21pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 5:43pm: Well said John Smith, how right you are.  The cashless welfare card idea belongs in the rubbish bin.   :(    Then why does Labor support changing it to a Government run cashless  welfare card ?

do they?

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 5:30pm:

Cashless welfare card is ONLY about transferring taxpayer funds to donors pockets whilst making villains of the unemployed ... if anyone thinks it serves any other purpose they have sheat for brains

You got that one right, old clock.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 5:30pm: Cashless welfare card is ONLY about transferring taxpayer funds to donors pockets whilst making villains of the unemployed ... if anyone thinks it serves any other purpose they have sheat for brains You got that one right, old clock.....

who are you calling old? >:(

This is what the Abos want,  why not just hand these out?

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Welfare is just that, something to live on.

It's not a profession ( well for some it is)
It's not an earned income.

It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well.
Not for smokes
Not for grog
Not for Netflix
It's for food to eat and a roof over your head.

The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs.

The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions.

If you want money to spend on what you want
GET A FRIGGING JOB.

The Dan Murphy's gift card idea has merit....

Valkie wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 8:13pm:

Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB.

You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix?

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot

They should have saved more and worked harder.

Or been nicer to their kids

We paid for my parents Foxtell
we bought them anything they needed
I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home.

Perhaps people just need better families.
And families are what you make of them.

Valkie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them.

the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 4:49am:

Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot

You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;)

Neferti wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 7:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;)

No but super wasnt there until recently

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 7:49am:

Neferti wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:35am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;) No but super wasnt there until recently Spot

Im 63 and have contributed to super since I started work.

Im currently living off my super and will for many years.
It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life.
But there will always be enough to live comfortably, and buy what I want with MY OWN MONEY.

Bring on the cashless card
It will make it even easier for me for when I get the part pension at around 70-75.

The super funds have been around quite a long time, my farther inlaw had a sizable sum in it and his wife is still living comfortably on it.
Compulsory super has been around for quite some time as well.

Basically, anyone living has had the opportunity to save for their comfortable retirement.
Those that have not are not my problem.

People who have never worked, lived on the dole or been wasteful with their money deserve what they get.
Such is life
They should be thankful that they get anything at all.
Because if I had any say in the matter, they would be living under bridges.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 7:49am:

Neferti wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:35am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;) No but super wasnt there until recently Spot

Wrong.  There has been superannuation for as long as I can remember.  In fact, in my first job, many decades ago, everybody had to pay into a Superannuation Fund, including females. When I left after 4 years, I had enough money to buy myself a car!

You are thinking about "compulsory" superannuation that was started by the ALP in the 90s.

Valkie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:45am:

It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life

so when you get a pension it's fair, when someone else does they're parasites? .... that's what I like about you Valkie, I can always rely on you to show your stupid hypocrisy

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 6:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 8:45am: It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life so when you get a pension it's fair, when someone else does they're parasites? .... that's what I like about you Valkie, I can always rely on you to show your stupid hypocrisy

And you yours....in spades.

I call parasites where they have never contributed, or have contributed little.
FoR most of my working life I have been taxed in the highest tax bracket.
Every bonus I have EARNED has been raided by the grubberment for so close to half it is of no matter.
I have worked longer than most young will work now as I started before I was 15 and worked until I was 62.
These days, the young stay at home bludging until they are in their 20s or more.

With the millions I have paid in tax, I am entitled to a part pension.
In more civilized countries, they pay the same pension to everyone regardless of how much cash they have.
Our grubberment demand that we squirrel away what ever we can so as not to be a burden on them, while they waste our taxes hand over fist throwing it at the lazy, the stupid and the ILLEGAL immigrants who will never contribute to society.

When I get my part pension, it will be a small way that they can start rewarding me for many years of contribution.

When a dole bludger, welfare cheat or ILLEGAL immigrant gets the pension they are quite simply PARASITES.

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The cashless welfare card idea, belongs in the rubbish bin.   :(

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:15am:

I call parasites where they have never contributed, or have contributed little.

rubbish ... the other week you said pensioners were parasite .... do you really think you're the only person to payu tax? You're a moron, and a liar..

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:15am: I call parasites where they have never contributed, or have contributed little. rubbish ... the other week you said pensioners were parasite .... do you really think you're the only person to payu tax? You're a moron, and a liar..

I love the way to selectivity read posts.

I guess that's the lack of cerebral capacity playing with the three synapses you have.

I do not call and have never called Aged pensioners parasites, not deliberately anyhow.

Most aged pensioners have worked, but those who have never worked or are recent arrivals into our country and have taken up the mantle of Disability pensioner, or aged pensioner, should get nothing.

You contribute nothing.....you should get nothing.

It seems the system is punish the workers to support the terminally lazy.

Whereas the system should be that if you contribute, you should get more back.

Anyone who has not worked at least 10 years in this country SHOULD NOT GET A PENSION.

The only exceptions should be disabled persons who were born here or disabled during working here.

Why do we have to support parasites?
Why should we support parasites?
the way its going
With an ever growing group of people who "identify" as abbos and who never work or contribute
With an ever growing group of lazy imports who never work or contribute
With an ever growing public service who's only function is it find new ways to drain the bank accounts of workers
With an ever growing handout mentality to any WOKE cause that comes along

The few of us who actually had to work and who currently work will have to carry all these wastes of oxygen.
Income tax is already way too high.
For every dollar above a certain point, you pay 45c in the dollar tax.
They anything you buy you pay another 10% tax
Then there are fees and charges that should have been removed when GST was imposed but weren't
And then they have the hide to add a medcare levee to it as well
And that's not considering all the other little charges they impose like 70% of petrol is tax.

Basically, any spending earned is taxed at 60% plus.

That's real fair isn't it?.....not

At the end of the day, workers are carrying several dole bludgers every time they pay tax.

And what do we get for this support we give them?

Demands for more, less accountability and insults.

F#$k the lot of them.

I'm glad I'm no longer paying tens of thousands in tax every year any more.
Perhaps some lazy dole bludging moron will starve as a result

You can argue logically for or against the card. I don't feel good about it, because I see it as a further step toward a society where your every movement shows up in some database. You could opt out of Flybuys and Facebook, and you didn't really need a mobile phone or any other traceable gadget, but now you can hardly breath without some phone app. They really got is going with Covid contact tracing, and I doubt the Government will abandon the system just because most people get vaccinated. The card is another step towards UBI, and the Libs ought to know better. But lets face it, all politicians want BIG Government, and they want you to be a ward of the state.

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 5:06pm:

I love the way to selectivity read posts.

this was YOUR response when someone called you disgusting for saying pensioners shouldn't use the pension for stuff like netflix, grog or smokes etc



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Quote:

hey should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them.

It's not my fault your alziemers is kicking in earlier than most

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 6:51pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:06pm: I love the way to selectivity read posts. this was YOUR response when someone called you disgusting for saying pensioners shouldn't use the pension for stuff like netflix, grog or smokes etc T Quote: hey should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. It's not my fault your alziemers is kicking in earlier than most

And where have I called them parasites ?

We paid for things because dad had little money after looking after mom and the grubberment were as helpful a a box of assholes..

He had little opportunity to save more, he retired at 70 and that was 30 years ago.
He has been dead for 12 years now.
So, we kids looked after him.

Exactly where do I use the term parasite .

Your lack of cerebral function is showing.

Valkie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:49am: Neferti wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:35am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;) No but super wasnt there until recently Spot Im 63 and have contributed to super since I started work. Im currently living off my super and will for many years. It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life. But there will always be enough to live comfortably, and buy what I want with MY OWN MONEY. Bring on the cashless card It will make it even easier for me for when I get the part pension at around 70-75. The super funds have been around quite a long time, my farther inlaw had a sizable sum in it and his wife is still living comfortably on it. Compulsory super has been around for quite some time as well. Basically, anyone living has had the opportunity to save for their comfortable retirement. Those that have not are not my problem. People who have never worked, lived on the dole or been wasteful with their money deserve what they get. Such is life They should be thankful that they get anything at all. Because if I had any say in the matter, they would be living under bridges.

And yet you want to be a "parasite" and get a part pension - hope you cant afford netflix

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:40am:

Valkie wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:49am: Neferti wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:35am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;) No but super wasnt there until recently Spot Im 63 and have contributed to super since I started work. Im currently living off my super and will for many years. It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life. But there will always be enough to live comfortably, and buy what I want with MY OWN MONEY. Bring on the cashless card It will make it even easier for me for when I get the part pension at around 70-75. The super funds have been around quite a long time, my farther inlaw had a sizable sum in it and his wife is still living comfortably on it. Compulsory super has been around for quite some time as well. Basically, anyone living has had the opportunity to save for their comfortable retirement. Those that have not are not my problem. People who have never worked, lived on the dole or been wasteful with their money deserve what they get. Such is life They should be thankful that they get anything at all. Because if I had any say in the matter, they would be living under bridges. And yet you want to be a "parasite" and get a part pension - hope you cant afford netflix Spot

See that's where you people don't get it.
Parasites take without giving, Symbiotic relationships give and take.
I consider myself symbiotic in this instance.

Over my lifetime of working, I have paid millions in taxes.

I deserve some payback.

But people who have never worked or who do not contribute in any way, seem to think its their right to take from me.
They are the true parasites.

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:51pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:06pm: I love the way to selectivity read posts. this was YOUR response when someone called you disgusting for saying pensioners shouldn't use the pension for stuff like netflix, grog or smokes etc T Quote: hey should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. It's not my fault your alziemers is kicking in earlier than most And where have I called them parasites ? We paid for things because dad had little money after looking after mom and the grubberment were as helpful a a box of assholes.. He had little opportunity to save more, he retired at 70 and that was 30 years ago. He has been dead for 12 years now. So, we kids looked after him. Exactly where do I use the term parasite . Your lack of cerebral function is showing.

You shouldn't mention cerebal function when you obviously have none.

Here you go ya dipshit


Valkie wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 5:23pm:

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo It was our only chance for get the chronically lazy parasites actually doing something. Bugger

Valkie wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 8:13pm:

If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB.

You want unemployed workers to get a job?

EMPLOY THEM.

Then put MAXIMUM and SUSTAINED PRESSURE on the government to get the unemployment rate down to ZERO.

whiteknight wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 10:35am:

The cashless welfare card idea, belongs in the rubbish bin.   :(

Indeed it does.

And it can go in the bin with the neoliberal hypocrisy of maintaining perpetual high unemployment where the proponents of "spare capacity" never lead by example.

Valkie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 9:40am: Valkie wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:49am: Neferti wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 7:35am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:49am: Valkie wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 8:58am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2021 at 7:56am: Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 8:13pm: Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB. You are disgusting. You want old-age disabled ppl to not even get netflix? Spot They should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. the ppl that are on old age pensions now grew up with no super when they were working. Spot You can't have the Old Age Pension AND a stack of Superannuation.  ;) No but super wasnt there until recently Spot Im 63 and have contributed to super since I started work. Im currently living off my super and will for many years. It will run down to a point where I will get the part pension eventually, fair enough, I have paid heaps in taxes all my life. But there will always be enough to live comfortably, and buy what I want with MY OWN MONEY. Bring on the cashless card It will make it even easier for me for when I get the part pension at around 70-75. The super funds have been around quite a long time, my farther inlaw had a sizable sum in it and his wife is still living comfortably on it. Compulsory super has been around for quite some time as well. Basically, anyone living has had the opportunity to save for their comfortable retirement. Those that have not are not my problem. People who have never worked, lived on the dole or been wasteful with their money deserve what they get. Such is life They should be thankful that they get anything at all. Because if I had any say in the matter, they would be living under bridges. And yet you want to be a "parasite" and get a part pension - hope you cant afford netflix Spot See that's where you people don't get it. Parasites take without giving, Symbiotic relationships give and take. I consider myself symbiotic in this instance. Over my lifetime of working, I have paid millions in taxes. I deserve some payback. But people who have never worked or who do not contribute in any way, seem to think its their right to take from me. They are the true parasites.

I doubt there are many ppl at all on the pension who have never worked except possibly some "housewives" but that was the way in those days and their work is work too.

Spot

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:42pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:51pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 5:06pm: I love the way to selectivity read posts. this was YOUR response when someone called you disgusting for saying pensioners shouldn't use the pension for stuff like netflix, grog or smokes etc T Quote: hey should have saved more and worked harder. Or been nicer to their kids We paid for my parents Foxtell we bought them anything they needed I put in a new kitchen, bathroom and did all the repairs on my parents home. Perhaps people just need better families. And families are what you make of them. It's not my fault your alziemers is kicking in earlier than most And where have I called them parasites ? We paid for things because dad had little money after looking after mom and the grubberment were as helpful a a box of assholes.. He had little opportunity to save more, he retired at 70 and that was 30 years ago. He has been dead for 12 years now. So, we kids looked after him. Exactly where do I use the term parasite . Your lack of cerebral function is showing. You shouldn't mention cerebal function when you obviously have none. Here you go ya dipshit Valkie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2021 at 5:23pm: NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo It was our only chance for get the chronically lazy parasites actually doing something. Bugger

You are being disingenuous again.

You know I was not speaking about pensioners who I have many times in the past stated  have worked and deserve pensions.

I mean, as you know, dole bludgers, abbos, muzzos and the terminally lazy....and you know it dip shite.

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Valkie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 8:32am:

You are being disingenuous again.

no I'm not ... you said those on the card were lazy parasites, you said the card should apply to ALL welfare recipients, spot made a comment about pensioners and your reply was that they should have worked harder and saved more


either you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying , or you're an idiot. 

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2021 at 4:56pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:32am: You are being disingenuous again. no I'm not ... you said those on the card were lazy parasites, you said the card should apply to ALL welfare recipients, spot made a comment about pensioners and your reply was that they should have worked harder and saved more either you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying , or you're an idiot.

And I stand by that statement.

Cashless welfare cards should be for everyone, even politicians and senior public servants who retire (that would stuff them)

Pensioners who retired before super might be the only caveat, but any retirees in the last 20 years have had plenty of time to put away some money for their retirement.

I would be happy to receive a cashless card for welfare when my part pension comes up.

And anything I need or want will come from my super savings.

But if you have never put anything away, never worked, never been anything but a bludger or wasteful p%$ck, its your own fault.

Now go and try to find something worthwhile to do, perhaps attack Anal k for a change.

Or are you afraid of him and his stupidity?

Valkie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

And I stand by that statement.

and that's why you're a moron

Valkie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:45am:

They should be thankful that they get anything at all. Because if I had any say in the matter, they would be living under bridges.

Ah, I see you are up for a great increase in infrastructure spending, building bridges for the homeless and incomeless to live under. A true humanitarian and visionary...

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:15am:

I call parasites where they have never contributed, or have contributed little.

No... No you don't. You see anyone on Social Security as bludgers and there are some, to be sure, but you also include pensioners which more often than not have paid into Govco's coffers for their pensions, the disabled and everyone else who gets a dollar from Govco, well except for people like Gerry Harvey.


Valkie wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 8:13pm:

Welfare is just that, something to live on. It's not a profession ( well for some it is) It's not an earned income. It's meant to give you something to buy the basics and keep well. Not for smokes Not for grog Not for Netflix It's for food to eat and a roof over your head. The card is to ensure that this is exactly what it is used for,  not boozing up, smoking or paying for drugs. The cashless welfare card MUST be for all welfare recipients, no exceptions. If you want money to spend on what you want GET A FRIGGING JOB.

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:28pm:

A true humanitarian and visionary...

this IS Valkie we're talking about? :o

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 5:28pm: A true humanitarian and visionary... this IS Valkie we're talking about? :o

Yes. Under his avatar he should put
http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/Valkie.JPG
A true humanitarian and visionary.

The Twilight Zone is reborn

Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money.

Pensioners should be paid massive compensation for the sh1t they've had to put up with from social science diseased governments over the past 4-5 decades - things that have left many of them penniless in retirement and without a brass razoo to call their own.

Start with the men for the feminist bullshit.... then we'll work out the deserving sheilas on a case by case basis...   8-)

Valkie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 4:56pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:32am: You are being disingenuous again. no I'm not ... you said those on the card were lazy parasites, you said the card should apply to ALL welfare recipients, spot made a comment about pensioners and your reply was that they should have worked harder and saved more either you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying , or you're an idiot.  And I stand by that statement. Cashless welfare cards should be for everyone, even politicians and senior public servants who retire (that would stuff them) Pensioners who retired before super might be the only caveat, but any retirees in the last 20 years have had plenty of time to put away some money for their retirement. I would be happy to receive a cashless card for welfare when my part pension comes up. And anything I need or want will come from my super savings. But if you have never put anything away, never worked, never been anything but a bludger or wasteful p%$ck, its your own fault. Now go and try to find something worthwhile to do, perhaps attack Anal k for a change. Or are you afraid of him and his stupidity?

i think if you research that card that if you get a part payment on it all your income goes on it - besides if you get a part pension you are a bludger and dont deserve netflix

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 3:49am:

Valkie wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 4:56pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:32am: You are being disingenuous again. no I'm not ... you said those on the card were lazy parasites, you said the card should apply to ALL welfare recipients, spot made a comment about pensioners and your reply was that they should have worked harder and saved more either you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying , or you're an idiot.  And I stand by that statement. Cashless welfare cards should be for everyone, even politicians and senior public servants who retire (that would stuff them) Pensioners who retired before super might be the only caveat, but any retirees in the last 20 years have had plenty of time to put away some money for their retirement. I would be happy to receive a cashless card for welfare when my part pension comes up. And anything I need or want will come from my super savings. But if you have never put anything away, never worked, never been anything but a bludger or wasteful p%$ck, its your own fault. Now go and try to find something worthwhile to do, perhaps attack Anal k for a change. Or are you afraid of him and his stupidity? i think if you research that card that if you get a part payment on it all your income goes on it - besides if you get a part pension you are a bludger and dont deserve netflix Spot

Yeah, Yeah, whatever.

I have more than payed my way.
I have earned a part pension, hell, I deserve a full pension.

But people who never work, never contribute or live off welfare because they are "special"
do not deserve a cent.

To be replaced with

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Valkie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money.

and yet you're the one after a pension.  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money. and yet you're the one after a pension.  :D :D

And the one that wont get one because I have been sensible with my money.
Frugal with my life
a contributing Australian

And hated by the worthless bludgers who think the world owes them a living.

Valkie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 2:42pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money. and yet you're the one after a pension.  :D :D And the one that wont get one because I have been sensible with my money. Frugal with my life a contributing Australian And hated by the worthless bludgers who think the world owes them a living.

so now you're changing your story?

Do you EVER tell the truth?

Gordon wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 1:50pm:

To be replaced with

How many times do you need to tell that joke? Is it until someone actually congratulates you on your "cleverness"?

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:15am: I call parasites where they have never contributed, or have contributed little. No... No you don't. You see anyone on Social Security as bludgers and there are some, to be sure, but you also include pensioners which more often than not have paid into Govco's coffers for their pensions, the disabled and everyone else who gets a dollar from Govco, well except for people like Gerry Harvey.

Gerry Harvey claimed over $20 million from Jobkeeper.

That's equivalent to a year's unemployment benefits for over 1,200 people.

mothra wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 1:50pm: To be replaced with How many times do you need to tell that joke? Is it until someone actually congratulates you on your "cleverness"?

it's a trait he shares with goober ::)

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2021 at 7:04pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 4:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 2:42pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money. and yet you're the one after a pension.  :D :D And the one that wont get one because I have been sensible with my money. Frugal with my life a contributing Australian And hated by the worthless bludgers who think the world owes them a living. so now you're changing your story? Do you EVER tell the truth?

Will you ever get a life?

Probably not, a loser like you never ammounts to anything.

Your just worried that you will get a cashless welfare card instead of your dole.

Even when you eventually get to pension age (if you live that long with your ruined liver)

Valkie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 6:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 7:04pm: Valkie wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 4:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2021 at 2:42pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: Looky.....all the parasites making sure they get their money. and yet you're the one after a pension.  :D :D And the one that wont get one because I have been sensible with my money. Frugal with my life a contributing Australian And hated by the worthless bludgers who think the world owes them a living. so now you're changing your story? Do you EVER tell the truth? Will you ever get a life? Probably not, a loser like you never ammounts to anything. Your just worried that you will get a cashless welfare card instead of your dole. Even when you eventually get to pension age (if you live that long with your ruined liver)

;D ;D
you're not only pathetic you're an idiot to boot. My liver will out last yours easily

But I do agree your liver is not your immediate problem, you have so many other problems to address before you need to worry about your liver. Starting with your brain, or lack off.