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Title: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:10am
Bad news for big pharma wanting to make a killing out of poisoning us with their untested vaccines ;)
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/newcastle/programs/drive/ivermectin-covid-19/13418066 Quote:
And guess what Norman Goose reckons it doesn't work !! How predictable :D LOL |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Prime Minister for Canyons on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:12am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:10am:
Why not wait til the studys finished. Up until then, this statement is a waste of time. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:17am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:12am:
Spoken like a true big pharma shill :D LOL And when are you going to finish your studies seeing that you are using the whole world as your test bed ?? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:19am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:10am:
Which vaccine are you talking about? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:20am greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:19am:
All of them groggary !! |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Carl D on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:20am Quote:
And, of course, the other part is making sure you're vaccinated. So, as I said a few days back - roll up your sleeve and do your bit for the country, Sir Nail and no doubt they will keep Ivermectin as a 'backup' for you in case the vaccine doesn't do the job (remember... 75% or above effectiveness from the vaccines so far). 8-) But, do keep this in mind before you decide on taking Ivermectin. :o |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:25am Carl D wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:20am:
Too bad Carl. You took your medical advice from Leigh Sales when you should have waited for a simpler drug that has been on the market for decades. Now every time you have a medical ailment you will be questioning whether it came from the untested vaccines that was jabbed into you when you didn't have too !! Another one conned by big pharma :( Like PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute :D LOL |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Prime Minister for Canyons on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:55am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:20am:
Problem with this statement is they've all been tested. Your failure to understand the testing protocols doesn't constitute a failure to test on their part |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:57am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:55am:
yeh you test your experimental sh.t on some other sucker mate. Tell Carl I will send him some flowers when he is in hospital as I don't want to go near anyone who is a walking protein spike generator that can't be turned off :D LOL |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Prime Minister for Canyons on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:00am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:57am:
Exactly thats what clinical trials are for, testing experimental poo. Even your ivermectin will be testing experiment poo on people. Plus where does this walking spike protein generator thing comes from? Maybe a basic review of how long mRNA lasts in cells is required. As well as disease processes, immunology etc. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:27am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:20am:
They've been tested. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:37am greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:27am:
Yeh they are currently testing it on fools like yourself but you are too stupid to work this out. Bad luck groggary you got conned like CarlD and you will eventually end up in hospital with some unknown blood disorder. Looks like two bouquets of flowers I have to send now :D LOL |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Prime Minister for Canyons on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:44am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:37am:
So lets get back to your failure to understand science. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:48am Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:37am:
First of all, I don't think you understand the process. This might help you: https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/how-covid-19-vaccines-are-tested-and-approved Secondly, I haven't been vaccinated. And thirdly, I already have an unusual blood disorder which is why I haven't been vaccinated yet. But please, take the time to check this out: https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/how-covid-19-vaccines-are-tested-and-approved |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 16th, 2021 at 6:28pm Quote:
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Why are cases and deaths from this Delta variant which came from India in decline there despite India having a low vaccination rate? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/  ivermectin.jpg (165 KB | 11
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Belgarion on Jul 16th, 2021 at 9:46pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 10:10am:
You do understand the difference between a treatment and a vaccine? Perhaps not.... ::) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 16th, 2021 at 9:51pm
I don't get the fascination the lunatic fringe has with ivermectin. It's used by vets to treat parasites like worms. You might as well brush your teeth with tinea cream.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 16th, 2021 at 10:41pm freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
Are you suggesting these 2 links are the lunatic fringe? https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/Lab-experiments-show-anti-parasitic-drug,-Ivermectin,-eliminates-SARS-CoV-2-in-cells-in-48-hours https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.06.21259924v1 I don't know why people bother with Tinea cream it's expensive more of a hassle and slower to cure tinea than using bleach. If you have tinea splash some bleach on shower floor spread it around with your feet for about 30 seconds then have a shower your tinea will be cured in 1-3 days. Try it i bet you will never buy tinea cream again. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 17th, 2021 at 12:12pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 16th, 2021 at 10:41pm:
I understand why researchers might be interested. What I don't understand is the fascination the lunatic fringe has for it. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 17th, 2021 at 2:32pm
It's their unwillingness to accept that Trump failed the US and are clinging to one of the many treatments and subsequent conspiracies surrounding it so they can avoid being forced to accept they're wrong.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 17th, 2021 at 3:13pm SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 17th, 2021 at 2:32pm:
Are you vaccinated yet? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm
Ivermectin may be helpful, or may not. But what is disturbing is the way it's been politicised and ANY news on Ivermectin is being systematically censored.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/why-has-ivermectin-become-a-dirty |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 17th, 2021 at 5:58pm Gordon wrote on Jul 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
Thanks, Einstein. Until that insightful post, nobody knew that. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:40am Quote:
How do you know? Is it like a conspiracy theory? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Ajax on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:46am freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2021 at 12:12pm:
You mean to tell me that because some doctors are saying that Ivermectin works because they have used it and seen the results and the government is saying that's its quackery you don't find this interesting. Well then FD you just listen to the government pythias for your stable diet of truth mate. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:50am Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:46am:
The quackery is the army of ignorant morons getting involved in what is a very technical argument. There are literally thousands of promising treatments currently under investigation. We are already rolling out vaccines. But only Ivermectin gets the meme junkies all wet. Why? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Ajax on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:54am freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:50am:
You dont get it do ya....!? If Ivermectin does the job where does that leave big pharma and the people behind like Billy (goat) Gates who have poured billions of dollars in to these crop of vaccines. So you recon billy goat will promote Ivermectin because he is such a philanthropist...LOL Quote:
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:58am Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:54am:
Ivermectin is big pharma. Yet somehow the people who sell it have co-opted an army of "anti big pharma" internet warriors to sell it for them. Why are they so easy to manipulate, and why did this work so well? Does it have hallucinogenic side effects or something? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Ajax on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:02am freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:58am:
Have you heard of the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. Therefore KISS...! |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:08am Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:02am:
What is the simplest explanation? That the army of internet morons have backed a winner in the race to develop a treatment for Covid, but are being thwarted by a grand conspiracy of big pharma, who actually sell ivermectin, to prevent ivermectin being revealed as the cure for head lice, worms, coronaviruses and limp, lifeless hair? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:36am freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:08am:
Ivermectin is cheap, off patent, easy to make so no money in it. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:38am
Ivermectin: Can a Drug Be "Right-Wing"?
A potential Covid-19 treatment has become hostage to a larger global fight between populists and anti-populists On December 31st of last year, an 80 year-old Buffalo-area woman named Judith Smentkiewicz fell ill with Covid-19. She was rushed by ambulance to Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital in Williamsville, New York, where she was put on a ventilator. Her son Michael and his wife flew up from Georgia, and were given grim news. Judith, doctors said, had a 20% chance at survival, and even if she made it, she’d be on a ventilator for a month. As December passed into the New Year, Judith’s health declined. Her family members, increasingly desperate, had been doing what people in the Internet age do, Googling in search of potential treatments. They saw stories about the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin, learning among other things that a pulmonologist named Pierre Kory had just testified before the Senate that the drug had a “miraculous” impact on Covid-19 patients. The family pressured doctors at the hospital to give Judith the drug. The hospital initially complied, administering one dose on January 2nd. According to her family’s court testimony, a dramatic change in her condition ensued. “In less than 48 hours, my mother was taken off the ventilator, transferred out of the Intensive Care Unit, sitting up on her own and communicating,” the patient’s daughter Michelle Kulbacki told a court. After the reported change in Judith’s condition, the hospital backtracked and refused to administer more. Frustrated, the family turned on January 7th to a local lawyer named Ralph Lorigo. A commercial litigator and head of what he calls a “typical suburban practice,” with seven lawyers engaged in everything from matrimonial to estate work, Lorigo assigned one of his attorneys to review materials given to them by the family, which included Kory’s Senate testimony. The associate showed Lorigo himself the the material next morning. “I was so convinced by what Dr. Kory was saying,” Lorigo says. “I saw the passion and the belief.” Lorigo immediately sued the hospital, filing to State Supreme Court to force the facility to treat according to the family’s wishes. Judge Henry J. Nowak sided with the Smentkiewiczes, signing an order that Lorigo and one of his attorneys served themselves, and after a series of quasi-absurd dramas that included the hospital refusing to let the Smentkiewicz family physician phone in the prescription — “the doctor actually had to drive to the hospital,” Lorigo says — Judith went back on ivermectin. “She was out of that hospital in six days,” Lorigo says. After a month of rehab, his octogenarian client went back to her life, which involved working five days a week (she still cleans houses). Her story, complete with photo, was told in the Buffalo News, causing Lorigo’s phone to begin ringing off the hook. Doppleganger cases soon began dotting the map all over the country. One of the first was in nearby Rochester, New York, where the family of Glenna Dickinson went through an almost exactly similar narrative to the Smentkiewiczes: they read about ivermectin, got a family doctor to prescribe it, saw improvement, only to later have the hospital refuse treatment. Again Lorigo intervened, again a judge ordered the hospital to treat, again the patient recovered and was discharged. Hospitals fought hard, hiring expensive law firms, at times going to extraordinary lengths to refuse treatment even with dying patients who’d exhausted all other options. At Edward-Elmhurst hospital in Chicago, a 68 year-old named Nurije Fype was admitted, put on a ventilator, and again, as all other treatments failed, her family got a judge to order the use of ivermectin. Lorigo claims the hospital initially refused to obey the court order, which led to the filing of a contempt motion, which in turn led to a pair of counter-motions and another confrontation before another befuddled Judge named James Orel. “Why wouldn't this be tried if she's not improving?” the Chicago Tribune quoted Orel as saying. “Why does the hospital object to providing this medication?” “He basically said, ‘What do you have left?’” Lorigo recounts. “No one would administer the ivermectin. It’s as safe as aspirin, for Christ’s sake. It’s been given out 3.7 billion times. I couldn’t understand it.” Stories like these aren’t proof the drug works. They don’t even really rise to the level of evidence. People recover from diseases all the time, and it doesn’t mean any particular treatment was responsible. Short of the gold standard of randomized controlled trials, there’s no proof. However, anecdotes have a power all their own, and in the Internet age, ones like these spread quickly. Lorigo estimates he now gets “10, 15, 20” calls and emails a day. At this level, at the bedside of a single Covid-19 patient who’s already received the full official treatment protocol and is failing anyway, the decision to administer a drug like ivermectin, or fluvoxamine, or hydroxychloroquine, or any of a dozen other experimental treatments, seems like a no-brainer. Nothing else has worked, the patient is dying, why not? Telescope out a little further, however, and the ivermectin debate becomes more complicated, reaching into a series of thorny controversies, some ridiculous, some quite serious. Cont... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:38am
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Telescope out a little further, however, and the ivermectin debate becomes more complicated, reaching into a series of thorny controversies, some ridiculous, some quite serious. The ridiculous side involves the front end of Lorigo’s story, the same story detailed on this site last week: the censorship of ivermectin news that, no matter what one thinks about the evidence for or against, is clearly in the public interest. Anyone running a basic internet search on the topic will get a jumble of confusing results. YouTube’s policies are beyond uneven. It’s been aggressive in taking down videos containing interviews with people like Kory and doling out strikes to independent media figures like Bret Weinstein, but an interview with Lorigo on TrialSite News containing basically all of the same information is still up, as are clips from a just-taped episode of the Joe Rogan Experience that feature both Weinstein and Kory. Moreover, all sorts of statements at least as provocative as Kory’s “miraculous” formulation in the Senate still litter the Internet, many in reputable research journals. Take, for instance, this passage from the March issue of the Japanese Journal of Antibiotics: When the effectiveness of ivermectin for the COVID-19 pandemic is confirmed with the cooperation of researchers around the world and its clinical use is achieved on a global scale, it could prove to be of great benefit to humanity. It may even turn out to be comparable to the benefits achieved from the discovery of penicillin… There clearly is not evidence that ivermectin is the next penicillin, at least as far as its effects on Covid-19. As is noted in nearly every mainstream story about the subject, the WHO has advised against its use pending further study, there have been randomized studies showing it to be ineffective in speeding recovery, and the drug’s original manufacturer, Merck, has said there’s no “meaningful evidence” of efficacy for Covid-19 patients. However, it’s also patently untrue, as is frequently asserted, that there’s no evidence that the drug might be effective. This past week, for instance, Oxford University announced it was launching a large-scale clinical trial. The study has already recruited more than 5,000 volunteers, and its announcement says what little is known to be true: that “small pilot studies show that early administration with ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19,” that it’s “a well-known medicine with a good safety profile,” and “because of the early promising results in some studies, it is already being widely used to treat COVID-19 in several countries.” The Oxford text also says “there is little evidence from large-scale randomized controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission.” But to a person who might have a family member suffering from the disease, just the information about “early promising results” would probably be enough to inspire demands for a prescription, which might be the problem, of course. Unless someone was looking for that information, they likely wouldn’t find it, as mainstream news even of the Oxford study has been effectively limited to a pair of Bloomberg and Forbes stories. Ivermectin has suffered the same fate as thousands of other news topics since Donald Trump first announced his run for the presidency nearly six years ago, cleaved in two to inhabit separate factual universes for left and right audiences. Repurposed drugs generally have had a hard time being taken seriously since Trump announced he was on hydroxychloroquine last year, and ivermectin clearly also suffers from its association with Republican Senators like Ron Johnson. Still, the drug’s publicity issues go beyond the taint of “conservative” news. The drug has become a test case for a controversy that’s long been building in health care, about how much input patients should have in their own treatment. Well before Covid-19, the medical profession was thrust into a revolution in patient information, inspired by a combination of Google and new patients’ rights laws. Should people on their deathbeds be allowed to try anything to save themselves? That seems like an easy question to answer. Should the entire world be allowed to practice self-care on a grand scale? That’s a different issue. Some would say absolutely not, while others would say the corruption of pharmaceutical companies and the medical system unfortunately make it a necessity. The world is increasingly divided along this trust/untrust axis. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:39am
Are you trying to say that the "simple explanation" is the grand conspiracy by big pharma to not sell drugs?
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:46am
My position is to show you the actual censorship which is happening around the ivermectin debate.
Read these two excellent Matt Taibbi articles and Why Has "Ivermectin" Become a Dirty Word? At the worst moment, Internet censorship has driven scientific debate itself underground Matt Taibbi Jun 19 On December 8, 2020, when most of America was consumed with what The Guardian called Donald Trump’s “desperate, mendacious, frenzied and sometimes farcical” attempt to remain president, the Senate’s Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee held a hearing on the “Medical Response to Covid-19.” One of the witnesses, a pulmonologist named Dr. Pierre Kory, insisted he had great news. “We have a solution to this crisis,” he said unequivocally. “There is a drug that is proving to have a miraculous impact.” Kory was referring to an FDA-approved medicine called ivermectin. A genuine wonder drug in other realms, ivermectin has all but eliminated parasitic diseases like river blindness and elephantiasis, helping discoverer Satoshi Ōmura win the Nobel Prize in 2015. As far as its uses in the pandemic went, however, research was still scant. Could it really be a magic Covid-19 bullet? Kory had been trying to make such a case, but complained to the Senate that public efforts had been stifled, because “every time we mention ivermectin, we get put in Facebook jail.” A Catch-22 seemed to be ensnaring science. With the world desperate for news about an unprecedented disaster, Silicon Valley had essentially decided to disallow discussion of a potential solution — disallow calls for more research and more study — because not enough research and study had been done. Once, people weren’t allowed to take drugs before they got FDA approval. Now, they can’t talk about them. “I want to try to be respectful because I think the intention is correct,” Kory told the committee. “They want to cut down on misinformation, and many doctors are claiming X, Y, and Z work in this disease. The challenge is, you’re also silencing those of us who are expert, reasoned, researched, and extremely knowledgeable.” Eight million people watched Kory say that on the C-SPAN video of the hearing posted to YouTube, but YouTube, in what appears to be a first, removed video of the hearing, as even Senate testimony was now deemed too dangerous for public consumption. YouTube later suspended the Wisconsin Senator who’d invited Kory to the hearing, and when Kory went on podcasts to tell his story, YouTube took down those videos, too. Kory was like a ghost who floated through the Internet, leaving suspensions and blackened warning screens everywhere he went. One of the challenges of the pandemic period is the degree to which science has become intertwined with politics. Arguments about the efficacy of mask use or ventilators, or the viability of repurposed drugs like hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, or even the pandemic’s origins, were quashed from the jump in the American commercial press, which committed itself to a regime of simplified insta-takes made opposite to Donald Trump’s comments. With a few exceptions, Internet censors generally tracked with this conventional wisdom, which had the effect of moving conspiracy theories and real scientific debates alike far underground. A consequence is that issues like the ivermectin question have ended up in the same public bucket as debates over foreign misinformation, hate speech, and even incitement. The same Republican Senator YouTube suspended for making statements in support of ivermectin, Ron Johnson, has also been denounced in the press for failing to call the January 6th riots an insurrection, resulting in headlines that blend the two putative offenses. “You have these ideas about the need to censor hate speech, calls for violence, and falsity,” Kory says, “and they’ve put science on the same shelf.” As a result, doctors and organizations that may have little to do with politics but have advocated for ivermectin, from Dr. Tess Lawrie’s British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) to California pulmonologist Roger Seheult to many others, have been shut down online with the same unilateral abruptness platforms apply to hate speech or threats. Dr. Sabine Hazan, a gastroenterologist and CEO of a genetic sequencing laboratory called ProGenaBiome in Ventura, California, was blindsided. She got involved with ivermectin when she was pulling out the stops for Covid-19 patients. “I’m a doctor. My job isn’t to do nothing. If I wanted to do nothing, I’d be selling shampoo,” Hazan says. When patients got really sick, she tried everything, treating off-label with a number of drugs in combination, including ivermectin. Eventually, she ended up taking it upon herself to run clinical trials with repurposed, off-patent drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, fearing that the lack of a profit angle would prevent a major corporate effort in that direction. “I felt, no one is going to be investigating a cheap solution, so I did it myself,” she says. Some weeks ago, Hazan got up early on a Sunday to present findings to a group of physicians that included Dr. Kylie Wagstaff, one of the physicians in the first in vitro ivermectin study, a family doctor in Zimbabwe named Jackie Stone, and others. She uploaded the talk on YouTube, and “lo and behold, it got taken down. It’s amazing. These are doctors talking. It’s not anyone selling anything.” |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:47am
Earth to Gordon: Are you trying to say that the "simple explanation" is the grand conspiracy by big pharma to not sell drugs?
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:54am freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:47am:
I'd say without a doubt, if an off-patent cheap as chips drug which is effective as both a prophylactic to prevent Covid and treat the disease came along, (and I'm not saying it is) companies who've invested billions into vaccine development would use every bit of their considerable influence to make sure their vaccines remained financially viable. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Ajax on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:56am Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Its like talking to a brick wall with FD he has the blinkers on and nothing will remove them imo. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:57am
Have we ever seen examples of corporate giants using their influence to obtain outcomes they desire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:59am Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:56am:
I'm totally agnostic on whether ivermectin works, or doesn't, but I've been following the very real censorship on the issue. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Ajax on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:05am Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:59am:
The question I have is if you are on your death bed with covid-19 why not let them use it. Probably too late by then but hey some doctors have used it and seen that it works advertise it only to get censored, so hey I'm with you.....WHY...???? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:06am
I was listening to a very good podcast Gordon which featured 2of the top intensive care specialists in the United states
And they both seemed convinced that ivermectin had a role in treatment That it was safe And that it should be being used And if people think big pharma who are the largest contributors to not just politicians but most research labs are going to be happy about handing over all those profits so that a cheap as chips drug can be used instead You are beyond naive |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:10am Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:05am:
One thing that is universally agreed about Ivermectin, it's totally safe and has been handed out by the BILLIONS. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:13am
Putting aside whether the drugs works for Covid or doesn't, the bloke who discovered the drug, Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura had his Youtube discussion on it pulled.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 18th, 2021 at 12:00pm
Hunt goes off script with ivermectin
Health minister endorses doctors’ right to treat Covid https://app.spectator.com.au/2021/07/hunt-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin/pugpig_index.html Quote:
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 12:06pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:13am:
Nope. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFkN5ZAVzc |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 2:55pm Why are people lying about the video being removed from YouTube? https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 18th, 2021 at 3:18pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:13am:
because there is much more money in poisoning us with their vaccines and that's what it is all about ! Where there is big-pharma there are no cures for anything but there is big-money and stupid brain dead governments that bend over for them as well as all of their loyal shills such as norman goose and that AMA Omar arse clown - all into it for the big big $$$$ !! |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 3:20pm
The drunk driver is drunk, again.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 3:22pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 2:55pm:
There it is, on YouTube: https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc Why are people lying? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 3:33pm
Ignore the convicted drunk driver, his clip is from 2015 :)
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 3:40pm Someone said, and I quote: " ... the bloke who discovered the drug, Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura had his Youtube discussion on it pulled." Yet, when I go to YouTube I find this: https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura's YouTube discussion on Ivermectin. Why the lies? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:01pm
For people who aren't lying criminal drunk drivers
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:02pm Someone said, and I quote: " ... the bloke who discovered the drug, Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura had his Youtube discussion on it pulled." Yet, when I go to YouTube I find this: https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura's YouTube discussion on Ivermectin. Why the lies? :-/ I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:03pm
good work gordon
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:05pm
Why are Nobel prize winners being censored?
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:54pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:05pm:
It's not just Nobel prize winners anyone who goes against the narrative is at risk of being censored. This company had it's youtube, twitter and facebook accounts suspended and hidden after some high ranking politician mentioned it. https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/ Trials for HCQ stopped after the lancet published a report on it with leftists saying it didn't work. After being peer reviewed and found to be bullshit The Lancet retracted the paper that stopped all trials with HCQ yet none of those peddling fake news retracted their bullshit or even mentioned The lancet retracted their paper. Why was this not reported? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext The American Journal of Medicine prescribes 200mg HCQ for treating people with the onset of symptoms of Kung Flu. ajm-hcq_003.jpg (97 KB | 2
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 5:56pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Establishing motive is not the same as establishing the grand conspiracy you have been ranting about. Either you are saying it or you are not saying it. Which is it? And it certainly does not explain why the internet's lunatic fringe has latched onto ivermectin as the focus of their deranged rantings. Ajax wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 10:56am:
You too Ajax. Why did you run away when I asked you whether you are suggesting a conspiracy? Are you being censored? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:07pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 5:56pm:
I actually haven't suggested there is a conspiracy, I'm just pointing out the censorship to which discussion of the drug has been subject to. The Nobel prize winner who discovered the drug had his Youtube clip where he discussed the possible use of Ivermecten for treating Covid removed. Do you find that odd? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:10pm
Another interesting fact about the drug, way before Covid, has been investigated as a broad spectrum antiviral.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:15pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:07pm:
You have made a claim of censorship, and it has been blown out of the water, rather comically too. It seems that despite an army of lunatics peddling various claims about ivermectin on the internet, no-one is actually willing to say anything. Why? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:22pm
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:27pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:15pm:
Greg posted a clip of Dr Satoshi Ōmura receiving his Nobel Prize in 2015. The Youtube clip of Dr Satoshi Ōmura discussing Ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid has been taken down. Is that confusing for you? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:36pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:15pm:
um no gordon is completely correct ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:39pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:36pm:
Have you read Matt Taibbi's writing on it? The guy is actually very far to the left. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:03pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:39pm:
I'm left but that doesn't mean I believe whatever other left leaning people do. I demonstrably do not, to the point of some of them labelling me right. Giving me someone's political persuasion does not mean shit as far as the evidence goes. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:15pm Someone said, and I quote: " ... the bloke who discovered the drug, Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura had his Youtube discussion on it pulled." Yet, when I go to YouTube I find this: https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc Nobel Prize winner Satoshi Omura's YouTube discussion on Ivermectin. Why the lies? :-/ I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:17pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:27pm:
Prove it. Don't prove that someone has claimed that the Youtube clip of Dr Satoshi Ōmura discussing Ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid has been taken down. Prove that the Youtube clip of Dr Satoshi Ōmura discussing Ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid has been taken down. Prove that it ever existed. Good luck, loser :) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 4:02pm:
So what's the problem groggary ? Why isn't AMA mafia chief Omar shithead promoting it as a cure ? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:28pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
It's not a cure. That's why. Any other questions? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:31pm
gordon is, of course correct , as any search of google would reveal.
this guy is a very sober and thoughful doctor , gordon and worth a look. as he points out, the data from mexico, india and south america are very promising . and the cochrane institute , the worlds leading library of peer reviewed studies have designed a study that could be done in the west but as ivermectin is about $2 a bottle, no company will fund the study. quite a good view if you are interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:33pm Prove that the Youtube clip of Dr Satoshi Ōmura discussing Ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid has been taken down. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:37pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:31pm:
https://scholar.google.cz/scholar?q=ivermectin+covid+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:28pm:
It is a cure where your vaccines aren't a cure !! |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:33pm:
I'll help you out here. First thing you need to do is prove that the clip existed. NOT prove that someone said the clip existed, but actually prove that the clip existed. i.e. post a link to the clip. Over to you :) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:40pm:
Ummm... What are you proving to yourself? Have you lost it again? "I mean me, I mean you, I mean us..." |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:41pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:39pm:
Who said that vaccines are a cure? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:41pm:
In order to prove the clip was taken down, they need to prove it existed in the first place. Get back to me when they can do that. Cheers ;) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm
one of the problems with it , is that it was already in widespread use in much of africa and south america and , being so cheap and safe, it was given to 100's of 1000's of patients but not as part of some trial . now its hard to work out what effect it had.
but gordon is right. youtube have said , all clips must tow the FDA line and their line is that studies need to be done. the meta analysis from egypt, peru, mexico argentina and mexico shows it definitely has a positive effect. the likelihood that a drug which cost $2 a course will EVER be the subject of a large study in the USA is zero. who is going to fund that? pfizer ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:41pm:
Vaccines are never a cure, not on an individual level that the word implies. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:45pm Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
Exactly. Tell that to Lastnail. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:46pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
You obviously missed the fundamental flaw that you were talking to yourself. Come to terms with that and we can see where we go. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:47pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
In order to prove the clip was taken down, you need to prove it existed in the first place. The only way to do that, is by providing a link to the clip. Over to you ... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:47pm:
You should work for the CCP. Perhaps you do. Context: I used to post bloody pics of Chinese executions to Bobby's hangings. Those pics can no longer be found through google. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:56pm Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:52pm:
Prove it. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:56pm:
Don't be a dick for the sake of proving it. You know the pics I posted in opposition to Bobby's clean execution thoughts. You know I'm anti DP, so what are you trying to ask me for? I know you've seen them. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:02pm Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Actually Set, I commented on his political leaning to assuage fears that this particular journalist is not a Trump devotee. Pierre Kory of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) has had his appearances removed by YouTube. Even Satoshi Ōmura, who won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for his work on ivermectin, reportedly had a video removed by YouTube this week. A screen shot of when the clip was deleted. https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1410622361477472261 https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-case-of-intellectual-capture-on |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:03pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:27pm:
How do you know this? Why does it sound like an empty conspiracy theory? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:05pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:02pm:
You've proven that there is a claim it was deleted. Now prove that it was deleted. First step: prove it existed. Over to you ... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:06pm
More youtube censorship surrounding ivermectin
Google’s YouTube has ratcheted up censorship to a new level by removing two videos from a U.S. Senate committee. They were from a Dec. 8 Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs hearing on early treatment of Covid-19. One was a 30-minute summary; the other was the opening statement of critical-care specialist Pierre Kory. https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-cancels-the-u-s-senate-11612288061 |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:07pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:06pm:
You've proven that there is a claim it was deleted. Now prove that it was deleted. First step: prove it existed. Over to you ... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:10pm
Why are you running away again Gordon? It sounds like you are the one censoring. Why are you afraid to actually say anything about ivermectin? Are you worried they will come and get you if you do?
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:11pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
A clip from 2015 isn't the same as one from a few months ago, have you come to terms with that yet? Also, are you saying Youtube doesn't delete clips? BTW, you're throwing around the term conspiracy theory just as Brian uses Islamophobia. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:12pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:10pm:
Are you sharing headspace with Brian today? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
It's pretty obvious what I am asking. How do you know that youtube censored him? You realise that just because some moron on your facebook feed says he was censored, does not actually mean he was censored, right? Also, are you too scared to actually say something about ivermectin? What are you scared of? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:20pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
You still haven't proven this clip ever existed. Over to you ... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:21pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Facebook is into the censoring business though. That is common knowledge. What you are asking is "In the sea of censorship on FB, show me the creek running into it." Whether something exists or not should not depend upon FB to tell us, we can't have sunk this low. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:22pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:27pm:
Prove it. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:24pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm:
This moron? Kory first practised in Madison, Wisconsin at UW Health, which is the academic medical center at the University of Wisconsin. He served there as the medical director for the Trauma and Life Support Center, in the outpatient pulmonary medicine clinic, where he performed bronchoscopic and pleural procedures.[2] Kory is an expert in critical care ultrasonography. In 2015, along with his two co-editors, Kory won the British Medical Association’s 2015 President’s Choice award in medical textbooks for their work on Point of Care Ultrasound.[2] Kory was the critical care service chief at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health in May 2020.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:25pm
Earth to Gordon: How do you know that youtube censored him?
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He made a very specific claim. I asked a very specific and entirely reasonable question - how does he know it is true. Do you think I am being unfair asking him to reveal his sources? Perhaps he is worried they will come after them, as well as him. Just how enormous is this conspiracy getting? And what is it that Gordon is trying to say about ivermectin that he is too scared to come out and say? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:26pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 6:27pm:
Prove it was taken down. Prove it ever existed. We're all waiting ... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:29pm I posted a clip of Donald Trump confessing to dozens of federal crimes, but YouTube took it down. Prove me wrong, bitches. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:31pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:25pm:
The Dr who had his US senate testimony on ivermectin deleted by Youtube reported that Youtube ALSO deleted the Satoshi Omuri's discussion on Ivermectin/Covid. Are you going to question this WSJ article? Google’s YouTube has ratcheted up censorship to a new level by removing two videos from a U.S. Senate committee. They were from a Dec. 8 Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs hearing on early treatment of Covid-19. One was a 30-minute summary; the other was the opening statement of critical-care specialist Pierre Kory. https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-cancels-the-u-s-senate-11612288061 |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:33pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:25pm:
No, I'm saying the whole argument is bullshit. No-one but YT can tell us what was taken down and why. That they take stuff down, as do google and bing, is well known, you cannot prove they were there. It's blind alley to seek that which is no longer there, much like the Chinese executions are no longer there. Were they ever there, even though you saw them? I gave a link to all the Invermectin studies, that's where people should look, not FB. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:33pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:31pm:
Prove it. We're all still waiting. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:36pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:25pm:
I'm not a Dr, I don't have an opinion on Ivermectin as a Covid cure, does that preclude me from discussing the internet censorship of it? Watch/read this No matter what you think about the drug, you should at least be able to tell those stories and explore the, you know, what happened. But it's become dangerous to do ... so that's an extra consideration that journalists not to take in to account," he added. https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/561153-matt-taibbi-reporting-on-potential-covid-19-treatments-like-ivermectin-shouldnt |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:38pm
FD, we have a WSJ article showing how Youtube deleted two discussions on ivermectin.
Is it your position it's impossible they did it again? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:39pm Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:33pm:
Do you think Gordon just made it up? Or he is parroting someone else who just made it up? Quote:
I have no idea why you are so afraid to tell us the things you want to say, such as how you know youtube censored him, or you reason for jumping on the ivermectin bandwagon with the rest of the facebook loonies. Quote:
It is my position that you are curiously fearful of revealing your sources. Did they get to you too? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Setanta on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:43pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:39pm:
I have no idea why you are so afraid to tell us the things you want to say, such as how you know youtube censored him, or you reason for jumping on the ivermectin bandwagon with the rest of the facebook loonies. Quote:
It is my position that you are curiously fearful of revealing your sources. Did they get to you too?[/quote] It seems to me we are arguing whether a YT video was taken down and they are all the time. It's kind irrelevant. Someone said we needed studies, well they have been done. Look at the link I posted. Proving whether YT censors or not is besides the point. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:45pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:39pm:
I have no idea why you are so afraid to tell us the things you want to say, such as how you know youtube censored him, or you reason for jumping on the ivermectin bandwagon with the rest of the facebook loonies. Quote:
It is my position that you are curiously fearful of revealing your sources. Did they get to you too?[/quote] BrianDiver, I don't use facebook. What's your opinion on the WSJ article I linked to? Here it is one more time :) https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-cancels-the-u-s-senate-11612288061 |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:45pm Quote:
You think the truth of the matter is irrelevant? It is the last thing Gordon was willing to say about ivermectin before they dragged him off the the gulag. Don't you think we owe it to his memory to discover what really happened? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:33pm:
Still waiting. First step: prove the alleged video actually existed. Can you at least do that? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:50pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:45pm:
OK so now you're just trolling as Brian does. Plonk. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:53pm
Did they give you a frontal lobotomy Gordon? Is that why you cannot remember how you discovered the truth about youtube censorship?
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:00pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:53pm:
Did you shoot yourself through the head with your speargun today? :) One more time, here's a Wall Street Journal article detailing Youtube's ivermectin censorship. Am I making this up? Google’s YouTube has ratcheted up censorship to a new level by removing two videos from a U.S. Senate committee. They were from a Dec. 8 Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs hearing on early treatment of Covid-19. One was a 30-minute summary; the other was the opening statement of critical-care specialist Pierre Kory. https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-cancels-the-u-s-senate-11612288061 |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:02pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:00pm:
Is that article where you found out about youtube censoring Satoshi Ōmura? Or do you no longer recall making that statement? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:02pm Gordon wrote on Jul 17th, 2021 at 3:13pm:
I wish. Nice deflection though :) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:05pm
Perhaps the real conspiracy is to cover up how facebook's lunatic fringe got on the ivermectin bandwagon. It seems that as soon as they leave facebook, they no longer know what their opinion on ivermectin is.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:08pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:02pm:
It's in the Twitter feed of the same Dr in the article above. Remember, Pierre Kory, the one you called a moron. Career Kory first practised in Madison, Wisconsin at UW Health, which is the academic medical center at the University of Wisconsin. He served there as the medical director for the Trauma and Life Support Center, in the outpatient pulmonary medicine clinic, where he performed bronchoscopic and pleural procedures.[2] Kory is an expert in critical care ultrasonography. In 2015, along with his two co-editors, Kory won the British Medical Association’s 2015 President’s Choice award in medical textbooks for their work on Point of Care Ultrasound.[2] Kory was the critical care service chief at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health in May 2020.[3] |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:08pm freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
As Donald Trump, Craig Kelly and the last nail are out there promoting hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as THE miracle cure for the COVID 19 virus and its variants ... Well, that sets off enough alarm bells for ME ! |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:09pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:05pm:
Clearly an ivermectinphobe. Hope Brian is along soon to give you a cuddle. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:10pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:08pm:
A bloke who pays rentboys for sex sets off alarm bells for most normal people ;) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 8:47pm:
Well? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:17pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:08pm:
Can you quote me, or did that all happen before your frontal lobotomy? Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:09pm:
Don't let your frontal lobotomy be in vain Gordon. Put is in touch with your contacts and we will continue the fight in your absence. Together we can reveal the truth about ivermectin. Who whispered in your ear about youtube censoring Satoshi Ōmura? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:21pm
gordon,
gweg and FD are just bullying you. the fact is "hurt people hurt people" undoubtedly they were both bullied as kids and now they get to bully on the net. see them as "cautionary tales" and also recognise that their desire to hurt , is because they themselves are deeply hurt. you have presented multiple links showing discussions on you tube have been taken down. they are not debating in good faith and so, should be ignored. anyway, just as you and i now seem vindicated in our early call of the lab leak hypothesis , we may well be correct on ivermectin. such is the path of the superior man this is zubys law 11 11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative. zubys law 8 applies particularly to gweg 8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:26pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:17pm:
The Wall Street Journal, in the link I've posted numerous times. Have you pulled the spear out of your head yet? Has Brian popped around to give you a cuddle yet? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:33pm
FD, is a newspaper good enough for you?
Just this month, professor Satoshi Omura, who won the Nobel Prize for his work on a drug called ivermectin, was censored on YouTube for discussing how it might help treat COVID-19 patients https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/government-dictating-what-social-media-bans-is-tyrannical/ |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:38pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:33pm:
Thanks Gordon. So, not in the wsj after all, eh? Do you think Satoshi would be allowed to offer people his medical advice on OzPolitic? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Gordon on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:43pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:38pm:
Well, the WSJ led me to Kory who reported on Satoshi. Will you, being a certified ivermectinphobe tolerate an ivermectinphile like Satoshi to share his thoughts here, or will you borrow Brians toolkit and label him a |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:02pm freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:38pm:
You let Abu run the Islam forum and you allow Brian and Little Pecca here. Is Ozpolitic forum not suitable for a Nobel prize winner in Medicine? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 18th, 2021 at 11:40pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 5:19am
gordon and baron are, of course correct and greg and freediver are doubling down on an error.
gordon, professor Kory is a smart guy. he introduced steroids for covid,. this receieved a lot of flak but is now accepted policy. he also saw that one of the first cases in america was a girl who was positive and sang in a church choir giving covid to 18 people in the church. he realised (hardly worth a nobel prize) that this meant it MUST aersolise. he immediately said that measures should be taken to treat covid like we treat passive smoking. he advised opening windows in schools and homes, opening windows in taxis and ubers. he advised this 18 months ago. as he said then, a mask alone will not protect you. it would be like a fire fighter walking into a smoke filled room with a mask. wont stop the smoke. minimise exposure and dilute the covid in the air. and yet we STILL have no advice on this. we still dont insist that hotel quaranitnes open their windows we still fine people for going to the beach or the park. clearly gordon, there are people with common sense like you and me and there are ideologues who are possessed like gweg and FD. and , yes , the official position of the WHO is that it is not proven it spreads by aerosol. unbelievable and they have the hide to ban Dr Korey and his group on social media and youtube for spreading mis information ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 19th, 2021 at 7:11am freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:38pm:
This seems to happen to him a lot... |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19th, 2021 at 7:20am Still no proof of the mysterious disappearing video I see. https://youtu.be/fCFkN5ZAVzc |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 19th, 2021 at 9:05am aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 5:19am:
I think I've just entered the BIZZARRO WORLD ? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 19th, 2021 at 11:50am
They probably don't want ivermectim as a possible solution because it is cheap and the patents have expired which means it can be manufactured by anyone.
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19th, 2021 at 11:54am Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 11:50am:
Why would anyone want to deny people a cheap effective treament in this time? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:15pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 11:54am:
Take Merck, which in a brazen move, outright declared there was absolutely no evidence for ivermectin in regards to COVID-19. TrialSite responded, pointing out that on the one hand, we understood Merck had to protect its business, given it paid $425 million for a company with a COVID-19 drug in November and then just a month later received $356 million from the U.S. government to develop the same drug known as MK7100. TrialSite suggested the tactics were unethical and could damage Merck’s brand over the long run. After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite. https://trialsitenews.com/is-the-ivermectin-situation-rigged-in-favor-of-industry-is-the-big-tobacco-analogy-appropriate/ |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:16pm
After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite.
Ivermectin is safe to use, its just not effective. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:19pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:16pm:
the cochrane institute want studies done. will merk fund them, given they have a patented drug they have a billion invested in and a non patented ivermectin which will earn them pennies. why would merk run a trial on ivermectin? are they in the business of making a loss ? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:23pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:19pm:
1. Merck 2. The smaller scale studies around ivermectin have been so hit and miss. E.g. did you see the one that just got retracted on ethical grounds? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:41pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:23pm:
exactly, a large scale trial is needed. now think carefully. why on earth would big pharma pay for it? why on earth would the CDC or the WHO pay for it? both of them would just look bad if it did actually work. they would have denied millions of people , therapy that costs pennies. hence, it wont get done :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:43pm
thats also why these small studies are grouped together as a "meta analysis'
this guy is very unbiased https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:45pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:43pm:
' Why? Because you agree with him? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:50pm
I'd prefer a actual peer reviewed metaanalysis
Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally. So thus needs more study. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/ Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:23pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:45pm:
meh, he does some good stuff on covid. pretty straight laced guy. cochrane NEVER publish aanything that is not peer reviewed |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:25pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 12:50pm:
um earth to you. YES it needs more study ::) ::) ::) ::) will that study be done when it would undermine big phamra profits and make the CDC and WHO look like they with held cheap safe therapy? no |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by John Dillermand on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:42pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
Thank you, I was aware of that. And as for other studies, why does a pharmaceutical company have to study a drug? Since the patent expired in 1996, any company can run with ivermectin |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:52pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:42pm:
sure. i can see the CEO of some company proposing that the company spend 100 million dollars running a trial and if it works ANY COMPANY CAN PRODUCE AND SELL IT. effectivley , you are saying, any company should piss 100 million down the toilet ::) |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by John Dillermand on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:58pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Given you can market it worldwide you would make that back easily. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by aquascoot on Jul 19th, 2021 at 2:16pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 1:58pm:
incorrect, it sells for a couple of dollars a packet. and any other company can just make it. you would lose money, gauranteed. it would be like mazda doing a study showing that people are better off riding bikes for the positive health effects |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 21st, 2021 at 9:04am
This Delta variant came from India so why have their case numbers for reported infections and deaths been decling for quite some time while everywhere wlse it's rising?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ ivwemectin_india.jpg (240 KB | 3
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 21st, 2021 at 9:10am Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21st, 2021 at 9:04am:
Rudy, can you do the sums on this please? |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by John Dillermand on Jul 21st, 2021 at 9:30am aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2021 at 2:16pm:
Multiply that by how many people would buy it. Sorry, back to smacking horses. |
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Title: Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Post by freediver on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 10:21am Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2021 at 9:43pm:
Not a phobe. Just wondering why the internet's army of morons have jumped on the ivermectin bandwagon rather than any one of the thousands of other "possible cures"? Can you explain how your conspiracy of censorship works? |
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