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Message started by whiteknight on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:05pm

Title: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by whiteknight on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:05pm
One in four workers over 50 don’t believe they’ll ever retire   :(

June 27, 2021
Sydney Morning Herald

One in four people in the workforce over the age of 50 does not believe they will ever retire - but it’s evenly split whether they’re working for love or money.   :(

A nationally representative survey of 2830 Australians aged over 50 found financial insecurity was a key reason; 36 per cent of those who don’t expect to retire rated their finances below five out of 10.

However, the same proportion of people rated their finances 7 or more, suggesting that not wanting to retire is not purely a financial decision.

Matilde Russo, 56, wants to keep working for a long time to come because she enjoys it.


The study was conducted by Newgate Research for the COTA Federation (Councils on the Ageing) and an overview of findings will be published in the State of the (Older) Nation 2021 report.

Joan Hughes, president of COTA NSW and chairperson of COTA Federation, said many older people wanted to keep working for the social connection and satisfaction but planned to either reduce paid work or pick up volunteering.

“There is a bit of problem with that notion of retirement, what we call ‘the R word’, and what that conjures up for some people,” Ms Hughes said.

“There is a lot of ageism and maybe some people have seen that happen to their parents or feel like they don’t know what the next chapter of their life will be or that if they don’t have work they don’t have an identity.”

She added that many people over 50 still had huge mortgages and would find themselves in financial difficulties if they started to reduce paid work, but the decision was often taken out of their hands because of health or redundancy.

The research found 49 per cent of people aged 65 had retired, down from 60 per cent in 2018.



The number of people aged 66 to 74 who had retired jumped in the past three years, while the number of people in their 60s who wanted more paid work because they needed the money had doubled. The report speculated the increase in retirement in this age group could be a result of the COVID-19 pandemic forcing older Australians to retire early.

56 year old Matilde Russo is a  Manager for MLC Asset Management she could afford to retire but loves her job and hopes to work in some capacity for a long time to come.


Stella Avramopoulos, chief executive of female-focused charity Good Shepherd, said older women were likely to be among those wanting to work for financial reasons.

Women’s superannuation balances were on average 40 per cent lower than men because of structural inequalities, older women were the fastest growing group of homeless people and women had borne the brunt of job losses during the pandemic, she said.

“We need to ensure retirement isn’t a pipedream for younger women by working towards super parity,” Ms Avramopoulos said.

Matilde Russo, 56, from Caringbah has a senior job in financial markets and believes it’s “her time to shine” after taking a backseat to her husband’s high-flying career when the children were younger.

“Financially I can afford to retire now but I love my job and the sense of achievement and identity it gives,” Ms Russo said. “I hope to continue working in some capacity for a long time to come.”



Dave Wallace, 57, a land surveyor from Newcastle, doubts he will ever retire: mainly for financial reasons after a separation left him with a large mortgage. Downsizing would be difficult because his 22-year-old daughter lives with him and he had to support her when she lost her job during COVID.

“In the future I’d like to work less rather than not at all,” Mr Wallace said. “It’s difficult to give something up that I’ve spent a lifetime acquiring the skills to do.”

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by whiteknight on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:08pm
Not everyone wants to work forever.  Now here is a good idea, why not lower the government funded pension age?.   :(

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Carl D on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:21pm

whiteknight wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:08pm:
Not everyone wants to work forever.  Now here is a good idea, why not lower the government funded pension age?.   :(


Unfortunately, it'll never happen. Especially since we have a Liberal Federal government at the moment and the whole pension age increase idea was started by Labor (the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus).

The Liberals even wanted to increase the pension age to 70 by 2035 and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to push this again if they win next year's Federal Election.

I know a lot of people who have worked and paid tax for decades are angry because when they started work and all through their working lives they were led to believe that once they reached the age of 65 they would be eligible for the age pension and now the Federal government has 'moved the goalposts (or finish line)' for them.

In my case, I started work in 1974 and retired 2 years ago. I can't get the age pension until I'm 67 (in 2024) but I have more than enough super to live on until then.





Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Valkie on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:49pm
I had planned to work longer, but when new management came in and was an idiot, I retired.
I have a good super balance and can live on my super income for 20 years at the current rate, but I expect the cost of living to go up eventually and when it gets annoying I'm go on a part pension and save my money.
At 63 (this year) I've basically had enough working for idiots and paying taxes so bludgers can waste it.

As soon as I get my caravan, I'm off for a couple of maps.

What shites me about the pension is that politicians, judges and several thousand senior public servants can retire when they like and get a pension 10 times the average Joe.
With no assert test requirements.
Cops get to retire 10 years early with a bigger pension.
It s bull shite that there are different rules for different people.
It should be one system for all.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:39pm
In Asia the old ladies get the job of walking miles to pick up the sticks for the cooking fire.... in Russia they get to sweep the snow off the streets in return for their generous state pension.....

Why should our Elders be any different?  That's how it works in a globalised/internationalised world....

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Valkie on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:39pm:
In Asia the old ladies get the job of walking miles to pick up the sticks for the cooking fire.... in Russia they get to sweep the snow off the streets in return for their generous state pension.....

Why should our Elders be any different?  That's how it works in a globalised/internationalised world....


A fair proportion of retired people work in a volunteer organisation.

Some work for over 30 hours a week.

Without all the volunteer work being done by all these retired people, the grubberment would have to find another way to provide these services and it would cost them dearly.

When I finally get on the pension.
Il be making a play to get volunteers to start demanding fair compensation in one way or another for work they do for free.

After all, is there ANYTHING that the gruberment does for free for anyone?

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by aquascoot on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm
my intention will be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.


Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:49pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:39pm:
In Asia the old ladies get the job of walking miles to pick up the sticks for the cooking fire.... in Russia they get to sweep the snow off the streets in return for their generous state pension.....

Why should our Elders be any different?  That's how it works in a globalised/internationalised world....


A fair proportion of retired people work in a volunteer organisation.

Some work for over 30 hours a week.

Without all the volunteer work being done by all these retired people, the grubberment would have to find another way to provide these services and it would cost them dearly.

When I finally get on the pension.
Il be making a play to get volunteers to start demanding fair compensation in one way or another for work they do for free.

After all, is there ANYTHING that the gruberment does for free for anyone?



Yes - I've always said the same thing.  A little non-income tested kick for volunteer work would go a long way with many.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:21pm

whiteknight wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:08pm:
Not everyone wants to work forever.  Now here is a good idea, why not lower the government funded pension age?.   :(



Because you are responsible for yourself, not the government.



Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Ajax on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:23pm
Well since we have embraced and fell in love with neo-liberalism I dont see why you guys are complaining.

Its the system called neo-liberalism it stops people thinking of the over all good for themselves and their neighbours and makes them think of only themselves the individual.

I'm ok dont care about Joe Bloggs next door.


Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:42pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm:
my intention will be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.

There is a lot to be said for that.

I have offered to go on a 4 day week soon.
I like what I do, just want 'some time' for me.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Belgarion on Jun 27th, 2021 at 9:55pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm:
my intention will be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.


I suppose if all you have is work then there is something to be said for this.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by rhino on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:13pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:49pm:
I had planned to work longer, but when new management came in and was an idiot, I retired.
I have a good super balance and can live on my super income for 20 years at the current rate, but I expect the cost of living to go up eventually and when it gets annoying I'm go on a part pension and save my money.
At 63 (this year) I've basically had enough working for idiots and paying taxes so bludgers can waste it.

As soon as I get my caravan, I'm off for a couple of maps.

What shites me about the pension is that politicians, judges and several thousand senior public servants can retire when they like and get a pension 10 times the average Joe.
With no assert test requirements.
Cops get to retire 10 years early with a bigger pension.
It s bull shite that there are different rules for different people.
It should be one system for all.
Uh, no they dont.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:42pm
Because of my underemployment for the last 20 years, I have decided that if I get a job full-time by next year, I will have to set a retirement of 70 years of age. I will not be able to afford to retire before then.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by rhino on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:42pm:
Because of my underemployment for the last 20 years, I have decided that if I get a job full-time by next year, I will have to set a retirement of 70 years of age. I will not be able to afford to retire before then.
70 is realistic, I had a colleague who planned for that, he had a stroke at the age of 69, now hes a vegetable.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:54pm

Ajax wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:23pm:
Well since we have embraced and fell in love with neo-liberalism I dont see why you guys are complaining.

Its the system called neo-liberalism it stops people thinking of the over all good for themselves and their neighbours and makes them think of only themselves the individual.

I'm ok dont care about Joe Bloggs next door.



You can only think of  Joe Bloggs next door if you have taken care of yourself and your dependants and have leftovers. So thinking of yourself first is natural and sensible. Its a virtue, not a failing.  You do not want to be someone else's burdensome Joe Blogg.







Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Karnal on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm:
my intention will be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.


Apart from Dear Leader, dear. 

More golf and TV than any retiree, and he was the Prez.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:25pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm:
my intention uiwill be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.


Apart from Dear Leader, dear. 

More golf and TV than any retiree, and he was the Prez.



Nothing intelligent to say, so you say something idiotic. Get vaccinated for Bbwianesque.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Karnal on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:33pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 6:46pm:
my intention uiwill be to work forever.

once you lose momentum in this world , you are faaaaarked.

once you dont have something to "bounce out of bed for' apart from just to survive one more day, its all over for you.

sitting on a beach or playing endless rounds of golf...how mediocre.


Apart from Dear Leader, dear. 

More golf and TV than any retiree, and he was the Prez.



Nothing intelligent to say, so you say something idiotic. Get vaccinated for Bbwianesque.


Intelligent, eh? Let's see.

Oh - ten rupees gimme. How's that?

Natural, sensible and most virtuous, no?

Just so.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:40pm
What did I tell you?
You do not even understand the word. You respond with the same jibbberish to everything.  Like Bbwian, you repeat the same mindless crap no matter what is said.
You mongs are stupid the same way.  He adds tut tuts and eyerolling to differiantiate. Otherwise you are indistingushable.


Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 28th, 2021 at 7:36am

rhino wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:49pm:
I had planned to work longer, but when new management came in and was an idiot, I retired.
I have a good super balance and can live on my super income for 20 years at the current rate, but I expect the cost of living to go up eventually and when it gets annoying I'm go on a part pension and save my money.
At 63 (this year) I've basically had enough working for idiots and paying taxes so bludgers can waste it.

As soon as I get my caravan, I'm off for a couple of maps.

What shites me about the pension is that politicians, judges and several thousand senior public servants can retire when they like and get a pension 10 times the average Joe.
With no assert test requirements.
Cops get to retire 10 years early with a bigger pension.
It s bull shite that there are different rules for different people.
It should be one system for all.
Uh, no they dont.



He's thinking about Cuba...... military and cops get to retire ten years earlier... here it's more like ten minutes either way.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Gnads on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:34am

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:39pm:
In Asia the old ladies get the job of walking miles to pick up the sticks for the cooking fire.... in Russia they get to sweep the snow off the streets in return for their generous state pension.....

Why should our Elders be any different?  That's how it works in a globalised/internationalised world....


A fair proportion of retired people work in a volunteer organisation.

Some work for over 30 hours a week.

Without all the volunteer work being done by all these retired people, the grubberment would have to find another way to provide these services and it would cost them dearly.

When I finally get on the pension.
Il be making a play to get volunteers to start demanding fair compensation in one way or another for work they do for free.

After all, is there ANYTHING that the gruberment does for free for anyone?


Yes every large hospital I've been in in the greater Brisbane area has a core group of retirement aged volunteers who man the information desks, take admission patients to the correct locations etc.

Even in my small city there are many retired volunteer groups active in the community.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:42am
VMR Tin Can Bay or Hervey Bay for me.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Gnads on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:45am

rhino wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:49pm:
I had planned to work longer, but when new management came in and was an idiot, I retired.
I have a good super balance and can live on my super income for 20 years at the current rate, but I expect the cost of living to go up eventually and when it gets annoying I'm go on a part pension and save my money.
At 63 (this year) I've basically had enough working for idiots and paying taxes so bludgers can waste it.

As soon as I get my caravan, I'm off for a couple of maps.

What shites me about the pension is that politicians, judges and several thousand senior public servants can retire when they like and get a pension 10 times the average Joe.
With no assert test requirements.
Cops get to retire 10 years early with a bigger pension.
It s bull shite that there are different rules for different people.
It should be one system for all.
Uh, no they dont.


If you base that statement on the Libs intention to raise/make the age for pension eligibility to 70 ...

then maybe he's right?


Quote:
The requirement for a police officer to retire at 60 years of age is a legislative requirement found at section 8.2(c) of the Police Service Administration Act 1990 (PSAA).

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/apps/E-Petitions/Home/DownloadResponse/58d6a259-0e03-4f34-9645-65f3219762f7#:~:text=The%20requirement%20for%20a%20police,Administration%20Act%201990%20(PSAA).

Minister for Police and Community Safety - Queensland ...


Only the pen pushers & bureaucrats can go beyond 60 in QLD.

All active Police Officers have to retire at 60.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Gnads on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:49am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:42am:
VMR Tin Can Bay or Hervey Bay for me.


;D I think I'd prefer Tin Can

Hervey Bay has turned into an over commercialised feral filled shytehole.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Valkie on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:50am
Well.

As a retiree of nearly 12 months , Its a lifestyle you can really enjoy.
If it weren't for the moronic leaders allowing infected foreigners into the country spreading covid everywhere.
I would be driving around and enjoying Australia.

But this covid is screwing me around.
All the caravans are being bought up by cashed up idiots who just want to go short hops.
And with the borders shutting and opening like bwyannnnnnnn's mouth, it will be a while before I can go anywhere anyway.

Its probably fortuitous that we are in a tiny country coastal village looking after the infirm mother in law at the moment.

Its been a real chore
Kayaking
Fishing
Walks along the beach
Bushwalking
Id be swimming, but its a bit cool.

Oh, such a hard life....wish I was back at work........NOT
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Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Captain Caveman on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:52am

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:42am:
VMR Tin Can Bay or Hervey Bay for me.


;D I think I'd prefer Tin Can

Hervey Bay has turned into an over commercialised feral filled shytehole.


Tin Can it is then.
Closer to home too.  ;)

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 28th, 2021 at 10:36am

rhino wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:42pm:
Because of my underemployment for the last 20 years, I have decided that if I get a job full-time by next year, I will have to set a retirement of 70 years of age. I will not be able to afford to retire before then.
70 is realistic, I had a colleague who planned for that, he had a stroke at the age of 69, now hes a vegetable.


I am not even planning on living pass 60, let alone 70. Even if I die on my last day of work, I will be happy if I live beyond 60.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Valkie on Jun 28th, 2021 at 10:47am
My original plan was to retire at 55.

The GFC stuffed that idea.

My next target was 60, but I was working in a job I was enjoying, so I thought a few more years was OK.
Then an idiot manager (not a managers asshole) came along so I pulled the plug at 62, probably for the better.

Now I is enjoying retirement (with the occasional Gig at training and lecturing). Money too good to ignore.

But once this covid shite is all gone, I'm off to drive around Australia.

Ive been many places in Australia, but not just driven there, always flown.

Many interesting things and places to see.

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by Gnads on Jun 28th, 2021 at 11:11am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 8:42am:
VMR Tin Can Bay or Hervey Bay for me.


;D I think I'd prefer Tin Can

Hervey Bay has turned into an over commercialised feral filled shytehole.


Tin Can it is then.
Closer to home too.  ;)


Some of the charters working out of Tin Can & Rainbow get some good fish out wide of the southern bar.

Look this one up  - Keely Rose Fishing Charters

https://keelyrosefishingcharters.com.au/

Title: Re: One In Four Don't Believe They'll Ever Retire
Post by rhino on Jun 28th, 2021 at 11:14am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2021 at 7:36am:

rhino wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:49pm:
I had planned to work longer, but when new management came in and was an idiot, I retired.
I have a good super balance and can live on my super income for 20 years at the current rate, but I expect the cost of living to go up eventually and when it gets annoying I'm go on a part pension and save my money.
At 63 (this year) I've basically had enough working for idiots and paying taxes so bludgers can waste it.

As soon as I get my caravan, I'm off for a couple of maps.

What shites me about the pension is that politicians, judges and several thousand senior public servants can retire when they like and get a pension 10 times the average Joe.
With no assert test requirements.
Cops get to retire 10 years early with a bigger pension.
It s bull shite that there are different rules for different people.
It should be one system for all.
Uh, no they dont.



He's thinking about Cuba...... military and cops get to retire ten years earlier... here it's more like ten minutes either way.
hes thinking about Televison where some US coppers retire on a pension after 20 years, like our armed forces.  Wouldnt be a bad idea. Not sure about where his idea of an "increased pension" comes from.

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