Opportunists while West was there, cowards on their own.  Twenty years of help and what do they have to show for it?

"More than 1037 Afghan security personnel fled across the frontier, Tajikistan’s national security committee said, as it ordered 20,000 of its own soldiers to reinforce the border. The Taliban posted videos online showing Afghan soldiers surrendering."


And they are coming to a suburb near you in large numbers.   

How good is Afghan culture?? Much better than evil Western civilisation. Still, they will want to come and live in Western hell.  That's the sacrifice they are prepared to make for their superior Afghan culture and you evil pasty-faced infidels had better let them!

Been waiting for this one to surface.  As predicted, the 'deal' with the Taliban is worth the naan it was written on and they are now seeking to re-establish their control over the entire nation by violence and force.  So much for the 'peace deal' brokered, and with Taliban guarantees.... along with the promise that breaking the deal would lead to intervention.......

Trouble is - Taliban merely means 'religious scholar' - and so any deal made with one warlord does not hold for the rest.... truly this in an intractable place.... all that blood and gold signed away for nothing.... just like Vietnam...

Only solution is to cut it loose, tow it out into the deepest Indian Ocean, and bomb it until it sinks....

https://i.imgur.com/MTmzbJf.jpg

Bertie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Opportunists while West was there, cowards on their own. Twenty years of help and what do they have to show for it?

MORE IMPORTANTLY Agatha, what do Western nations have to show for it !!



The West never should have 'went in' there, imo.     [....and i said it at-the-time.]

The West was vain, in thinking they [the West] were, could be, a virtuous example to people who were [themselves] 'religious zealots'.


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INSTEAD.....

Back in 2001 [as today], we had the means to continually punish the Taliban and Al Qaeda [in Afghanistan], if they continued to harbour, train and to sponsor ISLAMIST terrorists, before their cadres travelled into Western nations to conduct their Jihad.

But instead, we invaded,          ....and tried to 'help the people' of Afghanistan,
a moslem majority jurisdiction, whose majority, rabidly support ISLAMIC law.

Stupid.

And what benefit has going into Afghanistan been to us, to spend all of our treasure, in a place like Afghanistan ?

None at all.




Bertie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

And they are coming to a suburb near you in large numbers.

Yes, they are.



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For more detail,
WWW Search for these article title lines.....


Austria: Muslim migrant raped pensioner, 72, six years ago, lives free in the country, no deportation

Somalia: Muslim murders at least 10 in jihad suicide bombing at Mogadishu cafe

Niger: Muslims stop bus, murder the bus driver, two villagers and a village chief

Germany: Muslim migrant screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ stabs and kills fellow resident of refugee center

Russia: Muslims plot jihad massacres with firearms and knives among crowds in Moscow and Astrakhan

Germany: Police want to ban circulation of photos of women murdered in Würzburg jihad massacre
[why ??? - Yadda]

Massachusetts: Black nationalist group in armed standoff with police claims to be Moroccan and Muslim

Oman clears it all up at the UN: ‘Terrorism not linked to any religion’

Boston: Muslim who stabbed rabbi had overstayed student visa, is in US illegally



Western nations, imo, should be conducting      PUBLIC EXECUTIONS [every day]     [....of any person(s) who have been convicted of planning an ISLAMIST attack in our nation].


Charging, convicting, and then putting people like Abdul Nacer Ben Brika into our prison system, is a sop.

We need to      PUBLICLY EXECUTE      such persons, with extreme prejudice.


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The example of Abdul Nacer Ben Brika....

n.b.
.....and remember, this is the guy [and his crew], who were convicted,
of planning to bomb the MCG,   ...on GRAND FINAL day.

Just like any good 'Aussie' moslem would want to.     /sarc off

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IMAGE...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2073834-3x2-340x227.jpg

Abdul Nacer Ben Brika



Quote:

August 4, 2005       Australian Islamic leader defends jihad "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said. "The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-08-04/australian-islamic-leader-defends-jihad/2073808



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Act within the law.



Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXqh2rDehg

London Has Fallen Official Trailer #2 (2016) - Morgan Freeman, Gerard Butler Movie HD
03 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJaVR3ZXJjs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJaVR3ZXJjs



You can easily 'pick' which are the WOKE [and moslem] user reviews on IMDB for this movie.

Wow, some of them were so, so, 'triggered' by this movie.        ;D



London Has Fallen shows militant ISLAMISTS, as arrogant, violent, corrupt, and utterly ruthless.

And i just can't figure, why 'the good' moslems in the world, don't like how this movie portrays militant ISLAMISTS ?      :P

Bertie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Opportunists while West was there, cowards on their own.  Twenty years of help and what do they have to show for it? "More than 1037 Afghan security personnel fled across the frontier, Tajikistan’s national security committee said, as it ordered 20,000 of its own soldiers to reinforce the border. The Taliban posted videos online showing Afghan soldiers surrendering." And they are coming to a suburb near you in large numbers.    How good is Afghan culture?? Much better than evil Western civilisation. Still, they will want to come and live in Western hell.  That's the sacrifice they are prepared to make for their superior Afghan culture and you evil pasty-faced infidels had better let them!

Aussie near future = Corporate Khazarian fascism + Afghani Sharia Law.
;D

Anglo perverts are really upset when someone doesn't want to die for their goals.
:)

IMAGE.....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Karzai-640x370.png

Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai


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Quote:

Karzai: ‘NATO failed to defeat terrorism in Afghanistan’ Jul 6, 2021 By Robert Spencer           29 Comments “The reconstruction of the country’s infrastructure, helping with education and other areas was very welcome and produced good results for the country.” Sure, but it did nothing whatsoever to stop jihad terrorism. State Department wonks believe that the U.S. can win allies essentially buying them, and that enemies will see our displays of good will and turn toward us. This is foolish and demonstrates ignorance of how jihadis and their allies use such gestures to stir up suspicion and hatred of the non-Muslim bearing gifts, portraying the gestures of good will as an attempt to seduce Muslims away from Islam: “And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, ‘Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance.’ If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.” (Qur’an 2:120) “But the military plans to fight extremism and terrorism was a failure because     they     did not do what they should have done.” [former Afghan President Hamid Karzai] ......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/07/karzai-nato-failed-to-defeat-terrorism-in-afghanistan


With a moslem.

When he is disappointed, or when he fails to achieve his goals,
IT IS ALWAYS BECAUSE 'SOMEONE ELSE', PREVENTED HIM.


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IN THE COMMENTS...


Quote:

CogitoErgoSum says       Jul 6, 2021 at 5:09 pm The U.S. went into a country filled with vipers and made it a better place for the breeding of more vipers.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/07/karzai-nato-failed-to-defeat-terrorism-in-afghanistan#comment-2357359

TRUE


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Quote:

gravenimage says       Jul 6, 2021 at 5:20 pm Karzai: ‘NATO failed to defeat terrorism in Afghanistan’ …………………….. In other words, ‘NATO failed to defeat Islam in Afghanistan’. Given that Afghanistan is statically 100% Muslim, this should have been a foregone conclusion.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/07/karzai-nato-failed-to-defeat-terrorism-in-afghanistan#comment-2357364



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Quote:

saturnine says       Jul 6, 2021 at 10:10 pm “… a failure because they did not do what they should have done” Whenever the infidels foolishly try to improve the lot of Muslims but are thwarted by the religion, Muslims regularly claim that “it wasn’t done properly.” The infidels were chided like this often during the Iraq fiasco. .....

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/07/karzai-nato-failed-to-defeat-terrorism-in-afghanistan#comment-2357424

The yanks are just getting the troops out along with their allies.

They they should simply nuke the whole place into glass.

It would rid the world of a good number of the cult of death

And the women and children will be better off.

NUKE EM.

Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch.

What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic.
It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis.
Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best."
What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders?
You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli.
:)

athos wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best."

No, that was 'The Doors'.

athos wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :)

Everyone agrees that democracy is best. Except Muslims. Because of Islam.

Re Agatha.

The thing is that we cant really quantify Afghanistan as a country.  It has not really being a country forever.  Rather it is a very rural and remote collections of clans and warlords who views each other with suspicion over many centuries.   As history have it, many tried to rule over the area, but none were particularly successful.  And this is the way even before Islam arrives there. 

The Taliban is backed by the the largest clan / group in that region, the Pushtans.  So you can see, any government without its support, particularly one propped by an invader, will never going to last.

We went in to Afghanistan for an act of vengeance.  We were not there for the people, not for the women, not for the children, certainly not for freedom.  We had no clear defined goal. 

This is an expected result. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Re Agatha. The thing is that we cant really quantify Afghanistan as a country.  It has not really being a country forever.  Rather it is a very rural and remote collections of clans and warlords who views each other with suspicion over many centuries.   As history have it, many tried to rule over the area, but none were particularly successful.  And this is the way even before Islam arrives there.  The Taliban is backed by the the largest clan / group in that region, the Pushtans.  So you can see, any government without its support, particularly one propped by an invader, will never going to last. We went in to Afghanistan for an act of vengeance.  We were not there for the people, not for the women, not for the children, certainly not for freedom.  We had no clear defined goal.  This is an expected result.

The goal was very clearly defined - establish a functioning government and get out.

athos wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :)

Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error.

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Everyone agrees that democracy is best. Except Muslims. Because of Islam.

Everyone agrees that democracy is best.



Everyone will agree that, where it is present among men, the display of true human virtue 'is the best' thing.

Don't we all wish, that we could 'properly' aspire to human virtue ?

Every individual, politician, or common citizen, is happy to praise [acknowledged] human virtue, where it is recognised.

Human virtue is so, so popular these days [in this age], that human virtue can be commonly seen to be faked and/or 'manufactured'.

'Virtue Signalling'.

But surely, if 'human virtue' merely becomes 'performance art' [i.e. for the benefit of an audience],
it loses all 'currency'.

It remains wholly elusive.

Is true human virtue, really actually divine, in its nature ?

True, love ?


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Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


"Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Statesman




Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1623208762/13#13




"Political corruption is the most infallible symptom of constitutional liberty."
- Edward Gibbon


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams, one of the founders of the American Republic


Liberty has never come from Government.
Liberty has always come from the subjects of it.
The history of Liberty is a history of resistance.
The history of Liberty is a history of limitations of Governmental power, NOT the increase of it.
- Woodrow Wilson


"Remember, democracy never lasts long.
It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.
There was never a democracy yet that didn't commit suicide."
- John Adams - USA President, 1797-1801


"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frederic Bastiat

issuevoter wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 10:36pm:

athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error.

Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level.
The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance.

:)

athos wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 1:13pm:

Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance.

A message to Xi Jinping?

It's the fortune cookie psychology that seems to have been a feature of the regime since Mao... The 4 this, the 3 that... wrapped in plaster of paris and painted like a biscuit.

athos wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 1:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 10:36pm: athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error. Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance. :)

You are not addressing the subject. You are venting again. This is typical of your posts and your hatred of Western values, which is hypocritical, because you mimick us in your hairstyles, clothes, and aspiration to a post industrial social order. You and your culture envy the West, and that eats you up inside.

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 6:47pm: Re Agatha. The thing is that we cant really quantify Afghanistan as a country.  It has not really being a country forever.  Rather it is a very rural and remote collections of clans and warlords who views each other with suspicion over many centuries.   As history have it, many tried to rule over the area, but none were particularly successful.  And this is the way even before Islam arrives there.  The Taliban is backed by the the largest clan / group in that region, the Pushtans.  So you can see, any government without its support, particularly one propped by an invader, will never going to last. We went in to Afghanistan for an act of vengeance.  We were not there for the people, not for the women, not for the children, certainly not for freedom.  We had no clear defined goal.  This is an expected result.  The goal was very clearly defined - establish a functioning government and get out.

That is not a defined goal.  You can say that the aim was to remove Taliban, install alternate government and then get out.   This is the definition of a war.  Not goals.   Just from top of my humble mind, assuming the goals would be something along this line:
1. To have well defined goals means that you need to quantify at what level the Taliban must be destroyed to ensure no insurrection. 
2. How to give a voice to the largest clan / ethnic group in the area without the Taliban representation.
3. There have to be some sort of power sharing structure.
4. At what security level does the country consider to be self sufficient and safe. 

Right now, in all parameters, nation building have failed because we failed to understand Afghanistan.  And Taliban is retaking large tracts of lands just as expected.  The peace deal is all but buried, and retribution to the people would be brutal and swift especially for those who helped the Coalition. 

The coming winter will be especially cold in the desert, many bones will once again be buried under the sands of time. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 7:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 7:07pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 6:47pm: Re Agatha. The thing is that we cant really quantify Afghanistan as a country.  It has not really being a country forever.  Rather it is a very rural and remote collections of clans and warlords who views each other with suspicion over many centuries.   As history have it, many tried to rule over the area, but none were particularly successful.  And this is the way even before Islam arrives there.  The Taliban is backed by the the largest clan / group in that region, the Pushtans.  So you can see, any government without its support, particularly one propped by an invader, will never going to last. We went in to Afghanistan for an act of vengeance.  We were not there for the people, not for the women, not for the children, certainly not for freedom.  We had no clear defined goal.  This is an expected result.  The goal was very clearly defined - establish a functioning government and get out. That is not a defined goal.  You can say that the aim was to remove Taliban, install alternate government and then get out.   This is the definition of a war.  Not goals.   Just from top of my humble mind, assuming the goals would be something along this line: 1. To have well defined goals means that you need to quantify at what level the Taliban must be destroyed to ensure no insurrection.  2. How to give a voice to the largest clan / ethnic group in the area without the Taliban representation. 3. There have to be some sort of power sharing structure. 4. At what security level does the country consider to be self sufficient and safe.  Right now, in all parameters, nation building have failed because we failed to understand Afghanistan.  And Taliban is retaking large tracts of lands just as expected.  The peace deal is all but buried, and retribution to the people would be brutal and swift especially for those who helped the Coalition.  The coming winter will be especially cold in the desert, many bones will once again be buried under the sands of time.

You cannot quantify those things in a useful way.

Functioning government is sufficiently well defined.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 10:16pm:

athos wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 1:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 10:36pm: athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error. Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance. :) You are not addressing the subject. You are venting again. This is typical of your posts and your hatred of Western values, which is hypocritical, because you mimick us in your hairstyles, clothes, and aspiration to a post industrial social order. You and your culture envy the West, and that eats you up inside.

There are no more "Western values", West buried them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITWrq1Vck0

athos wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:34pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 10:16pm: athos wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 1:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 10:36pm: athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error. Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance. :) You are not addressing the subject. You are venting again. This is typical of your posts and your hatred of Western values, which is hypocritical, because you mimick us in your hairstyles, clothes, and aspiration to a post industrial social order. You and your culture envy the West, and that eats you up inside. There are no more "Western values", they are dead.

They are no longer western. They are universal.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:41pm:

athos wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 12:34pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 10:16pm: athos wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 1:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 10:36pm: athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error. Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance. :) You are not addressing the subject. You are venting again. This is typical of your posts and your hatred of Western values, which is hypocritical, because you mimick us in your hairstyles, clothes, and aspiration to a post industrial social order. You and your culture envy the West, and that eats you up inside. There are no more "Western values", they are dead. They are no longer western. They are universal.

That's what you've always only wished.
:)

Are you trying to say something athos? It's hard to tell.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:58pm:

Are you trying to say something athos? It's hard to tell.

It gets lost in the translator.

In Mandarin, I believe it means he'll have the strategic pork reserve and the full font of chicken wings to go.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 12:58pm: Are you trying to say something athos? It's hard to tell. It gets lost in the translator. In Mandarin, I believe it means he'll have the strategic pork reserve and the full font of chicken wings to go.

Did he wash his hands after going to the toilet?

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:58pm:

Are you trying to say something athos? It's hard to tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQcsPgHZ5E
:)

athos wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:34pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 10:16pm: athos wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 1:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 10:36pm: athos wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:18pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:49pm: Its not about Democracy, its not about Terrorism and its not about race, its about religion. Its all very well to call the Afghans cowards when the presence of the best militaries in the world could not protect their schools and hospitals from glassy-eyed religious fanatics that believe Allah has sent them to kill or maim those who don't agree with their interpretation of the Koran. The real problem is the contagion that has infected all of Islam. The West's failure will always be associated with our conferral of equal status on sneaky civilian-dressed assassins and honorable troops who stand up in uniform. The war against the Taliban was a success while the US supplied air support to the Northern Alliance, because as Afghans, the NA know how to fight an Afghan enemy, and it is not according to The Geneva Conventions. The failure can be attributed to GW Bush's desire to look good with American troops on the ground. He needed something, because 911 was his watch. What a pathetic nonsense of a brainwashed liberal globalist fanatic. It has nothing to do with religion. It is a clash of civilizations on a cultural, not a religious basis. Western anti-civilization, in which arrogance is considered a virtue, wants to conquer others, because it believes that "the West is the best." What are Australian ships currently doing in the Black Sea on Russian borders? You maybe want to be a British collateral damage again, as in Gallipoli. :) Instead of venting your spleen, point out the error. Your unlimited arrogance will not save you from your self-destruction on a personal and global level. The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance. :) You are not addressing the subject. You are venting again. This is typical of your posts and your hatred of Western values, which is hypocritical, because you mimick us in your hairstyles, clothes, and aspiration to a post industrial social order. You and your culture envy the West, and that eats you up inside. There are no more "Western values", West buried them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITWrq1Vck0

Next time you get into a motor vehicle or a railway, remember that when these were invented in the West, your ancestors were pulling rickshaws. Next time you put on a T shirt, remember you are mimicking us, because you envy us.

Prophetic homework I set:-

Mid-Term assignment, due 18th June. 10% of total final mark (we mark hard at Grappler Free U - the REAL U).

Read the following excerpt from -
Blossoms In the Wind - Human Legacies of the Kamikaze , M.G Sheftall.


a. Determine and explain  the underlying factors in generation of a group psyche as described in the excerpt.

b.  Seek similar group psyches occurring today, discover their root causes, expound on those in comparison with that shown by Sheftall as pertaining to pre-WW II Japanese society.

c.  Consider the effect of the same values ascribed to the West by such 'new' groups in the development and continuation of such group psyches - define the group(s) you are considering.

d.  Is the West, therefore, condemned to fight an endless series of wars, due to the group psyches developed as described.....and if so .. what is the level of preparedness, both physically and spiritually, of the West?

"Educated Japanese males of Onishi's generation who had spent their time living and studying in the West - especially America - tended to harbour extreme feelings at both ends of a love-hate continuum toward their former hosts and teachers, ranging from unabashed schoolboy hero worship to utter repulsion fueled by a desperate need to believe in their own racial and cultural superiority.  The emotional packages of most comprised a tortuous Freudian melange of admiration and inferiority complex: a healthy respect for the Westerner's technological prowess, material abundance and sheer physical size; disdain for their shameless materialism, their smug, easy pride, their maddeningly nonchalant tolerance of disorder, their racist immigrant legislation and the woeful history of the American Negro.  Not to mention the poisonous, half-buried memories of patronising cocktail party slights ("Oh, your English is excellent.  Were you taught by missionaries?"), sneering hotel clerks, withering locker room anxiety, and the impotent rage of coming home to see giggling Japanese girls on the arms of strapping white men in the streets of the larger port cities.  Just as everyone tapping pointers on maps in the war rooms of Tokyo and cutting orders for young men to die at the front carried his own personal portfolio of similar psychological baggage regarding Westerners, none of them ever really expected the nation to win its duel to the death with the West - win, that is, in the sense of Japanese troops marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and pitching their tents on the White House lawn.  Nor did they see the war as being pursued primarily for the practical strategic objectives of securing vital industrial resources and fuel.  Seeing it in such simple terms was to confuse means with ends.

The goal, really, had always been, first and foremost, to humble the West - to daub the teacher's face with mud - by kicking the white man out of Asia and bringing about an end, once and for all, win or lose, of what former Prime Minister Konoe had so aptly termed Anglo-Saxon global hegemony.  The Caucasian bogeyman - and the unspeakable fear that he might really be the superior being he seemed to think himself - had whispered in the ear and haunted the nightmares of the Japanese psyche for the last ninety years, since Commodore Matthew C Perry's Black Ships first fouled the waters of Uraga Bay, humiliating the nation by forcing it to accommodate to Americans and their insulting demands."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELO3SLyvk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZU0IXO7AQw
:)

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 1:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 1:00pm: freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 12:58pm: Are you trying to say something athos? It's hard to tell. It gets lost in the translator. In Mandarin, I believe it means he'll have the strategic pork reserve and the full font of chicken wings to go. Did he wash his hands after going to the toilet?

I'm think where he comes from they'd need to be washing the toilet after his hands touched it.