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Title: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm

Check it out

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

No wonder the sh.t is not working ! It simply doesn't do anything except injure the people stupid enough to take it :D LOL

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

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Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 10:38pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

I thought you were one of the good ones...

I was wrong.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 10:47pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 10:38pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

I thought you were one of the good ones...

I was wrong.

So I guess you were one of the ones stupid enough to take their ineffective jabs. Like PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute :D LOL

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Carl D on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:42pm

Vaccinate or Repent Forever, Sir Nail.

Quote:

Russians who refuse to get vaccinated against the coronavirus are taking a sin upon themselves that they will repent for until the end of their days, a top Russian Orthodox Church official said Monday.

“I now constantly face such situations when people come to a priest in order to repent that they did not vaccinate themselves or their loved ones and that they became the unwitting cause of another person’s death,” Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, the head of the Church’s external relations department, said during a live broadcast on the state-run Rossia 24 channel.

We wouldn't want you having to repent until the end of your days if you refuse to be vaccinated, now would we?

So, roll up that sleeve and "just do it". You know it makes sense.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:45pm

Carl D wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:42pm:

Vaccinate or Repent Forever, Sir Nail.

Quote:

We wouldn't want you having to repent until the end of your days if you refuse to be vaccinated, now would we?

So, roll up that sleeve and "just do it". You know it makes sense.

Hey sucker what's it like to be a vaccine loser ?? :D LOL

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Carl D on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:48pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:45pm:

Hey sucker what's it like to be a vaccine loser ?? :D LOL

I feel fine 5 weeks after my first AstraZeneca vaccine.

Looking forward to my second one on September 13th. 8-)

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:56pm

Carl D wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:45pm:

Hey sucker what's it like to be a vaccine loser ?? :D LOL

I feel fine 5 weeks after my first AstraZeneca vaccine.

Looking forward to my second one on September 13th. 8-)

Why ? It doesn't do anything :D LOL

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Carl D on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:11am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 11:56pm:

Why ? It doesn't do anything :D LOL

Well, in that case there really isn't any reason why you shouldn't go and get it... and, its free.

But, I'm a little concerned about you suddenly saying it doesn't do anything when a few weeks back you told us it was causing numerous deaths and all sorts of injuries. :o

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by John Dillermand on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:53am

Several issues here Sir Lastnail

1. This was not a peer reviewed article, it was a letter by an author
2. The author has been disappointed with how the letter has been twisted https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA
3. Look at this paragraph for the explanation of ARR

The Lancet commentary by Olliaro, Torreele and Vaillant shows here the numbers for ARR, misleadingly referenced in social media posts, were obtained.

Meedan Health Desk exemplifies how the ARR “will always appear low” as it depends on the event rate.

“Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).”
"

In other words RRR is a measure of risk reduction assuming you get sick, ARR doesn't assume that,

This is the issue when people cut and paste something which looks good but on deeper examination (which those who spread it know won't happen by those who swallow it)

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

Hard not to smile.

Trump Supporter Who Protested Against Vaccinations Dies of COVID-19

Linda Zuern, a supporter of former President Donald Trump and a protester against COVID-19 vaccines, has died of coronavirus.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

And the vaccine wouldn't have helped him and probably killed him earlier !!

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:23am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

And the vaccine wouldn't have helped him and probably killed him earlier !!

Science says otherwise.

At least she died doing what she loved.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Ayn Marx on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:28am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:21am:

And the vaccine wouldn't have helped him and probably killed him earlier !!

Keep burying your head in the sand. It must be very comforting.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 7:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:23am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

And the vaccine wouldn't have helped him and probably killed him earlier !!

Science says otherwise.

At least she died doing what she loved.

you mean big-pharma science = $$$$

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by The_Barnacle on Jul 24^th, 2021 at 11:29am

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 9:53am:

“Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).”
"

So basically Nails has been duped because he doesn't understand how statistics work.

Time and time again I see gullible people like Nails not understand what they are actually reading and just rely on the headline.

Title: Re: The scale of the COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy lie
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 24^th, 2021 at 12:11pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:52pm:

Misleading graphic.

The RRR remains the same, the ARR is a different measure.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2666-5247%2821%2900069-0

So the graphic is comparing apples with oranges.

Those figures of RRR have been observed in the real world, so this false comparison is invalid.

You're welcome.

For those interested in the maths behind the different measures ...

https://www.thelancet.com/cms/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0/attachment/bb4bb1cf-8d64-453f-a2b7-e1b95194c109/mmc1.pdf