As the world slowly grinds towards coerced/mandatory vaccinations, I thought it relevant to have some discussion on the small percentage of the population for whom such vaccinations are genuinely medically dangerous.
Both myself and my daughter have written vaccination "exemptions" from doctors stating it is medically dangerous for us to have any vaccinations at all. There is a family history unfortunately that included rare blood clotting reaction to vaccination that caused my daughter to have a stroke and ordered Health department isolation for family after "full blown" development of Measles after Vaccination for other family members. Basically our immune systems seem to have very unpredictable responses.
Before anyone jumps to conclusions I should add that I am Pro vaccination and we had our daughter vaccinated knowing there was some risk, a decision I will never get over.
I am well aware of vaccinations role through history and now. What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated/coerced substances be?
How do people think these individuals for whom it is genuinely dangerous can be accommodated, assuming the world continues further down a coerced/mandated path?

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?




You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic.
Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:

It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic. Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

Vaccination passports aren't mandatory vaccination. The French laws aren't about enforcing vaccinations.

Vaccinations for p[articular employees are in high risk environs.

My guess is that vaccination "passports" will not hold up if challenged - Human Rights Council (UNHRC) and all that.  ;)

folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water

Spot

Vaccinations have been mandatory for a long time now. Children attending pre-school, medical staff, people traveling overseas - all must meet certain vaccination requirements.  Nothing new here.

This pandemic is an unprecedented event and requires an unprecedented solution. Unfortunately the tinfoil hat mob and other social media 'experts', all with their own axe to grind, have published so much misinformation that what should be a straightforward, no-brainer vaccination process has become an uphill battle.

The government has underestimated the power of social media and the stupidity of too many people.  I will certainly be happy to have a vaccination passport ( in fact I have had one for decades) if it will free me from the restrictions the anti-vax idiots will bring upon themselves.  ::)

And I do understand that there are some people who cannot be vaccinated for well documented medical reasons.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:12pm:

folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water Spot

Yeah I get that but as someone with immune issues I can buy organic or non wheat bread and filter out Fluoride for example. Again please read the OP and note I'm not anti vaccine.
I'm genuinely interested in how those for whom it is genuinely dangerous might navigate the non-vaccinated paradigm.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:12pm: folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water Spot Yeah I get that but as someone with immune issues I can buy organic or non wheat bread and filter out Fluoride for example. Again please read the OP and note I'm not anti vaccine. I'm genuinely interested in how those for whom it is genuinely dangerous might navigate the non-vaccinated paradigm.

BY stating that, we already have exemptions for vaccinations based on medical history.

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed.



The main problem I have is what about the rights of people in those areas.

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:42pm:

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:37pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. The main problem I have is what about the rights of people in those areas.

Fair point, but aren't they protected by their own vaccination? I'm just wondering how my family and I are supposed to get around in this new order. It's not an easy one I know.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:43pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:42pm: So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section? You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk.

Fair enough. There's no easy answer as doctors have said they'd dread me getting Corona-virus "naturally" as well, no one really knows what my body would do. I'm not alone however, there are people who's immune systems have been destroyed through "Chemo" and radiation treatment for cancer etc for whom similar issues arise.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:46pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:37pm: What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. The main problem I have is what about the rights of people in those areas. Fair point, but aren't they protected by their own vaccination? I'm just wondering how my family and I are supposed to get around in this new order. It's not an easy one I know.

Not everyone is protected, the whole point of vaccination is to minimise contact between susceptible individuals.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:51pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:43pm: goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:42pm: So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section? You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk. Fair enough. There's no easy answer as doctors have said they'd dread me getting Corona-virus "naturally" as well, no one really knows what my body would do. I'm not alone however, there are people who's immune systems have been destroyed through "Chemo" and radiation treatment for cancer etc for whom similar issues arise.

To be honest goosecat its not that I dont think your concerns are irrelevant, its more that these aren't new concerns. Vaccination programs have always had to encompass the concerns of patients who can't be vaccinated.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:54pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:51pm: John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:43pm: goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:42pm: So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section? You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk. Fair enough. There's no easy answer as doctors have said they'd dread me getting Corona-virus "naturally" as well, no one really knows what my body would do. I'm not alone however, there are people who's immune systems have been destroyed through "Chemo" and radiation treatment for cancer etc for whom similar issues arise. To be honest goosecat its not that I dont think your concerns are irrelevant, its more that these aren't new concerns. Vaccination programs have always had to encompass the concerns of patients who can't be vaccinated.

I guess I'm a little worried that in the drive to quieten the "full blown" "anti-vaccers" by continually focusing on how safe it is for everyone, which I get, people like my family and others for whom it is genuinely dangerous may be forgotten about.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 2:03pm:

I guess I'm a little worried that in the drive to quieten the "full blown" "anti-vaccers" by continually focusing on how safe it is for everyone, which I get, people like my family and others for whom it is genuinely dangerous may be forgotten about.

No. Don't worry about that. I guess the best option is to  you notify your State health department.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

Hey people willingly drink fluoride(HYDROFLUOROSILICIC ACID) a toxic chemical contaminated Class 8 corrosive & schedule 6.1 poison as a mandated spurious public dental health initiative....


Quote:

Hydrofluorosilicic Acid Subclasses: Subclass 6.1 Category D - Substances which are acutely toxic. Subclass 8.1 Category A - Substances that are corrosive to metals. Subclass 8.2 Category C - Substances that are corrosive to dermal tissue. Subclass 8.3 Category A - Substances that are corrosive to ocular tissue

so why not jabs?

Are they as dangerous as that?

Get ya COV19 shots.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:12pm: folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water Spot Yeah I get that but as someone with immune issues I can buy organic or non wheat bread and filter out Fluoride for example. Again please read the OP and note I'm not anti vaccine. I'm genuinely interested in how those for whom it is genuinely dangerous might navigate the non-vaccinated paradigm.

Im not arguing - just point out that our govt likes to mandate stuff "for our own good".

Spot

I have an octogenarian friend who cannot have the vaccine because of
other medical issues, and he's also on other medications for which the
Covid vaxes are contra-indicated.

He simply takes all other recommended precautions, and gets on with
his life.

He's an ex-RAAF officer, so is no fool and is certainly no 'snowflake'.

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:42pm:

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

Correct. There are people who can't take vaccines for genuine health reasons

thats also why herd immunity is so important, to protect those who can't take the vaccine and because no vaccine is 100% effective

And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said.

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents.

Ah, no.

In Washington DC Two separate lawsuits were filed this month to challenge the legality of a law passed in D.C. during 2020 that would allow children 11 and older to receive certain vaccines without parental consent.

In October, the District passed the Minor Consent to Vaccinations Amendments Act, which allows children as young as 11 to get vaccines without their parents’ knowledge if a doctor determines that they are capable of informed consent.

The law was passed before coronavirus vaccines became available and was meant to allow teenagers to get shots such as the HPV vaccine, which protects against a sexually transmitted infection that can cause cancer, and the meningitis vaccine, which is recommended for teens.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:42pm: Ah, no. The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent? Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks. Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

Lol   ;D

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm:

lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 6:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:42pm: Ah, no. The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent? Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks. Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/ Lol   ;D He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point.

Most unlike Lee.

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:25pm: lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 6:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:42pm: Ah, no. The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent? Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks. Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/ Lol   ;D He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy. Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point. Most unlike Lee.

I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19   :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:25pm: lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 6:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:42pm: Ah, no. The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent? Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks. Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/ Lol   ;D He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy. Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point. Most unlike Lee. I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19   :)

Well, what about covid 18?

Would you care to explain that?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm:

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

And I never said he  was. You really do have comprehension issues.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:32pm:

I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19

So Snopes got it wrong? He also doesn't live in Washington DC. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BTW - You still haven't shown no children have been vaccinated against Covid against parents' wishes. ;)

And it doesn't take away the fact that children can get vaccinated without parental consent. Perhaps you want to argue that?

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:32pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:25pm: lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 6:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:42pm: Ah, no. The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent? Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks. Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/ Lol   ;D He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy. Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point. Most unlike Lee. I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19   :) Well, what about covid 18? Would you care to explain that?

Speaking of 18, that's how old he was when he got vaccinated (NOT for COVID-19).

Do you think lee will provide evidence of his claim anytime soon?

"And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents."

After all, the onus is on him.

I'm really curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:54pm:

After all, the onus is on him.

I MAY have been wrong. Perhaps you want to argue the law?

You are not curious - you are strange not wanting to talk about the law.

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:54pm: After all, the onus is on him. I MAY have been wrong. Perhaps you want to argue the law?

You were wrong.  Good on you for admitting it though.

And, I support the law.

"The law was passed before coronavirus vaccines became available and was meant to allow teenagers to get shots such as the HPV vaccine, which protects against a sexually transmitted infection that can cause cancer, and the meningitis vaccine, which is recommended for teens."

Hard to see why anyone would be against that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:59pm:

You were wrong.

Nope. You would have to show that and you haven't. ;)


greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:59pm:

"The law was passed before coronavirus vaccines became available and was meant to allow teenagers to get shots such as the HPV vaccine, which protects against a sexually transmitted infection that can cause cancer, and the meningitis vaccine, which is recommended for teens." Hard to see why anyone would be against that.

The law doesn't restrict the shots to HPV or meningitis. And even then how can a child give informed consent?

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:59pm: You were wrong. Nope. You would have to show that and you haven't.

No.  I don't have to do a thing.

The onus is on you to prove your false claim.

You know that, so take the high road and let it be.

You read a fake Facebook post and got sucked in.

It happens, move on.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 8:04pm:

You read a fake Facebook post and got sucked in.

You mean Snopes is Farcbook? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just to recap.

lee says: "...in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents."

His evidence of this is one solitary 18 year old "child" being vaccinated for something (NOT COVID-19, though) back in 2018 (before COVID-19 ever existed).

Lol   ;D

poor petal.

Snopes said it was evidence. ;)

And you still haven't shown the vaccinations for COVID to be untrue.

So tell us more how children can give informed consent? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just to recap - Gweggy reckons it is restricted to HPV and meningitis vaccines. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 8:37pm:

poor petal. Snopes said it was evidence. ;) And you still haven't shown the vaccinations for COVID to be untrue. So tell us more how children can give informed consent? ;D ;D ;D ;D Just to recap - Gweggy reckons it is restricted to HPV and meningitis vaccines. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Do you know what you are, Lee?

You're curious. You're keen to hear what Greggery thinks.

How's it going so far?

Even vaccinated aren’t exempt from ICU

Listen to this …

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJs5ANPu/

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 1:03pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:42pm: So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section? Correct. There are people who can't take vaccines for genuine health reasons thats also why herd immunity is so important, to protect those who can't take the vaccine and because no vaccine is 100% effective

Theres no herd immunity if theres no immunity

Spot

Just to recap.

lee says: "...in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents."

His evidence of this is one solitary 18 year old "child" being vaccinated for something (NOT COVID-19, though) back in 2018 (before COVID-19 ever existed).

Lol   ;D

heres how it will work.

they will restrict access to various things,  air travel, stadiums, shopping malls, schools etc.
unless you have a vaccination passport or a covid testing regime to prove you are not infectious. (say a covid test at the airport).

then you just put the cost of that test onto the customer.

the french have done just this

50 euros (about 90 dollars) for a rapid test and then you can go into the shopping mall.

now very few people have that sort of cash to spend everytime they want to socialise so most will get the jabs .  but the government can offer this as an option to show it isnt mandatory

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

The people without a medically valid reason not to take the vaccination yet refuse to are usually the same crowd who will say to people who aren't white-skinned, even if they were born here, "If you don't like it, leave".

Well...

Now it's their turn.  If they don't like it, leave.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2021 at 3:42am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 1:03pm: goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 1:42pm: So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section? Correct. There are people who can't take vaccines for genuine health reasons thats also why herd immunity is so important, to protect those who can't take the vaccine and because no vaccine is 100% effective Theres no herd immunity if theres no immunity Spot

Or, indeed, if there's no herd. :P :P

Or….The immunised herd seem to end up in hospital with covid …

I know… maybe symptoms are not as bad as without the vax right?
But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID?
And they are in hospital? Does that sound like it’s mild?
Or are just some people not so resilient?
Blood types maybe?
Surely not one size fits all?

So confusing.
Even in the Uk, 40% of single and double vaccinated are getting covid.
Looking into a crystal ball here but…That’s what we might be expected to see in our news in the future when 60-80% are vaccinated here in Oz?
Once our shores open up and we begin travel?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9839677/Coronavirus-Australia-Scott-Morrison-says-vaccinated-Aussies-banned-venues.html


EXCLUSIVE: Bombshell leaked audio captures Scott Morrison saying 'the time will come' when only the fully-vaccinated may be allowed into bars and restaurants while those who refuse the jab stay locked down - but major changes are needed first

    In audio obtained exclusively by Daily Mail Australia, the PM discussed lockdown
    Agreed with a proposal of cafes and pubs opening only to vaccinated patrons
    Said idea can be looked at when more of Australia's population are fully jabbed
    Will 'very soon' start setting vaccination targets on how to get to the next level

By Kylie Stevens For Daily Mail Australia

Published: 02:18 AEST, 30 July 2021 | Updated: 08:23 AEST, 30 July 2021
   
The time will arrive when Australians fully vaccinated against coronavirus will enjoy more freedoms than their anti-jab counterparts, Scott Morrison has revealed.

The Prime Minister hinted at bringing in restrictions for Australians who refuse to get the vaccine, keeping them out of venues such as pubs and restaurants during a conference call with constituents from the Sutherland Shire on Thursday night.

In audio obtained by Daily Mail Australia, voters from the Cook electorate in Sydney's south grilled their federal MP on a host of pandemic topics from the country's bungled vaccine rollout to more support for businesses crippled by a fresh horror wave of the virus in New South Wales.

One fully-vaccinated constituent called Steve from Cronulla said he was frustrated that he was in lockdown despite answering the call to get vaccinated many months ago.

He said more Australians would get the jab if support was given to businesses such as cafes, restaurants, pubs and clubs by allowing them to open to fully-vaccinated patrons only.

In a remarkably candid answer, Mr Morrison agreed the proposal should be looked at once more of Australia's population is vaccinated and the worst of the current NSW outbreak is over.

Given the source and the subject, I don't believe it.

But I hope it's true.

So for all you anti-vaxers:

you'll have to get it or you won't be able to function in society.

Sophia wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 11:16pm:

But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/

WTF are you talking about, there is literally no way for Pfizer or AZ to give you covid, because the entire COVID virus is not in the vaccine.


You know the whole depressing thing about this last 18 months as a scientist, is how complete numpties with no education in being scientists keep wanking on about science.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2021 at 11:49am:

So for all you anti-vaxers: you'll have to get it or you won't be able to function in society.

'

They barely do anyway, so what difference would it make.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?

That is what really angered me, reading the article yesterday. I went and got a ticket to go to the Pilbeam Theatre this weekend. But, having read previous that there were calls for banning unvaccinated people entering dramatic theatres, I felt a little irritable and was being skeptical when purchasing a ticket. The box office attendant told me that masks were not mandatory. But I was going to a performance on the last day and least attended performance.

Cinemas and theatres were struggling last year to get people back into attendance. If you are calling for people to be vaccinated against coronavirus, then you are seriously not considering the possibility that those with the virus being symptomatic are not going to attend the venues. They will stay home and see a doctor, in this eventuality. And those unsymptomatic will not be a problem to those around them who are vaccinated.

Perhaps the thinking behind the calls is just those echoing unvaccinated school children supposedly not being allowed to attend school. It is for their protection, not the vaccinated.

Sophia wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 11:16pm:

Or….The immunised herd seem to end up in hospital with covid … I know… maybe symptoms are not as bad as without the vax right? But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID? And they are in hospital? Does that sound like it’s mild? Or are just some people not so resilient? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/

It's fake news, Lols.

Please don't rely on on ridiculous kids' social media sites for reliable news.

No, hospitalised COVID-19 patients in NSW aren’t all vaccinated

Dr McAnulty misspoke when he initially said all but one of the 43 individuals in ICUs in NSW due to COVID-19 were fully vaccinated. He corrected his mistake later in the same press conference, saying all of the patients were unvaccinated except for one who was partially vaccinated.

The post also incorrectly attributes the vaccination figures provided by Dr McAnulty to all 141 hospitalised individuals, however Dr McAnulty was talking about the vaccination status of the 43 people in ICUs.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 30^th, 2021 at 12:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30th, 2021 at 11:49am: So for all you anti-vaxers: you'll have to get it or you won't be able to function in society. ' They barely do anyway, so what difference would it make.

They'll be segregated from us normies.

I'm looking forward to it.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2021 at 11:45am:

The time will arrive when Australians fully vaccinated against coronavirus will enjoy more freedoms than their anti-jab counterparts, Scott Morrison has revealed. The Prime Minister hinted at bringing in restrictions for Australians who refuse to get the vaccine, keeping them out of venues such as pubs and restaurants .

Great entertainment - Nazi Germany comes to Australia. Where is Reichfuehrer Morrison going to built the concentration camps?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2021 at 1:07pm:

Sophia wrote on Jul 29th, 2021 at 11:16pm: Or….The immunised herd seem to end up in hospital with covid … I know… maybe symptoms are not as bad as without the vax right? But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID? And they are in hospital? Does that sound like it’s mild? Or are just some people not so resilient? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/ It's fake news, Lols. Please don't rely on on ridiculous kids' social media sites for reliable news. No, hospitalised COVID-19 patients in NSW aren’t all vaccinated Dr McAnulty misspoke when he initially said all but one of the 43 individuals in ICUs in NSW due to COVID-19 were fully vaccinated. He corrected his mistake later in the same press conference, saying all of the patients were unvaccinated except for one who was partially vaccinated. The post also incorrectly attributes the vaccination figures provided by Dr McAnulty to all 141 hospitalised individuals, however Dr McAnulty was talking about the vaccination status of the 43 people in ICUs.

I see. Thank you for clarifying that. So it’s an error of speech that had been rectified soon after but taken out of context elsewhere as misinformation.
I’m not impressed with any media platform that will do that.

And it does prove beneficial to do fact checking.
At least you were not belittling about it.

PS. F k you DILLermand  ;)

everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt

if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic.

BUT

heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny).

we will get 70 % vaxxed.

the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick).


BUT


you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX .

in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time.

so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year.

it wont.

and i think we have years to decades of just having to accept many covid admissions to hospitals and many deaths.

the way out is to teach personal risk assessment and personal responsibility for weight health distancing hygiene.

the way out is NOT to be little babies who expect mummy gladys and daddy scott to keep you safe.  (about the only word in their vocabulary nowadays  ::) ::))

they cant

its on YOU

aquascoot wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 5:32am:

everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic. BUT heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny). we will get 70 % vaxxed. the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick). BUT you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX . in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time. so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year.

I don't think there's anyone silly enough to think this will end this year.

The bogans won't be going back to Bali to get drunk on cheap beer in 2022 either, that's for sure.

Sophia wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 11:16pm:

Or….The immunised herd seem to end up in hospital with covid … I know… maybe symptoms are not as bad as without the vax right? But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID? And they are in hospital? Does that sound like it’s mild? Or are just some people not so resilient? Blood types maybe? Surely not one size fits all? So confusing. Even in the Uk, 40% of single and double vaccinated are getting covid. Looking into a crystal ball here but…That’s what we might be expected to see in our news in the future when 60-80% are vaccinated here in Oz? Once our shores open up and we begin travel? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/

It has nothing to do with us.
If these "vaccines" get a negative outcome then investors will boycott.
Got to keep it all positive for the investors.

Show me the money.
That's all this is.

First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492

goosecat wrote on Aug 5^th, 2021 at 5:54pm:

First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492

Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 8:35am:

goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What is the point you’re making? Sorry, but it escapes me.

Ayn Marx wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 8:41am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am: goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is. What is the point you’re making? Sorry, but it escapes me.

Just keep thinking away eventually you'll grasp the point. Very similar to when p[eople say Youtube taking Sky News off or Twitter banning Trump is a war on free speech.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 8:35am:

goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.

goosecat wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 11:15am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am: goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is. What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else. The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.

Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice.


But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 5:40am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 31st, 2021 at 5:32am: everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic. BUT heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny). we will get 70 % vaxxed. the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick). BUT you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX . in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time. so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year. I don't think there's anyone silly enough to think this will end this year. The bogans won't be going back to Bali to get drunk on cheap beer in 2022 either, that's for sure.

They may never go back, the Indonesian government is planning to market Bali to to the more wealthy demographic after Covid. Days of cheap airfares are definitely gone, Garudas gone bust and cancelled direct flights.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 11:22am:

goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am: goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is. What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else. The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact. Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice. But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.

No I'm kind of worried for those that can't be vaccinated as mentioned before. I'd rather not get into a child debate with you over not strapping people down. If an employer says you have to inject yourself or you lose your job, income, family support and all the effects that may have on children etc than it is forced. People like you playing disingenuous semantics doesn't alter the realities genuine people understand.
What happens legally if a company effectively forces vaccination and a family's bread winner/parent/child dies? Where do the legal liabilities lay?

goosecat wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 11:40am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:22am: goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am: goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is. What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else. The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact. Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice. But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one. No I'm kind of worried for those that can't be vaccinated as mentioned before. I'd rather not get into a child debate with you over not strapping people down. If an employer says you have to inject yourself or you lose your job, income, family support and all the effects that may have on children etc than it is forced. People like you playing disingenuous semantics doesn't alter the realities genuine people understand. What happens legally if a company effectively forces vaccination and a family's bread winner/parent/child dies? Where do the legal liabilities lay?

Dies of what?

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 11:22am:

goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am: goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm: First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492 Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is. What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else. The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact. Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice. But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.

I am anti-mandatory any medication

Spot

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:51pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:50pm: It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic. Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it. Vaccination passports aren't mandatory vaccination. The French laws aren't about enforcing vaccinations.

Oh?


Quote:

The NSW Parliament passed a Bill to amend the Public Health Act 2010 to strengthen vaccination enrolment requirements in child care (also known as early childhood education and care). From 1 January 2018: children who are unvaccinated due to their parent’s conscientious objection can no longer be enrolled in child care it is an offence (with a penalty of 50 penalty units) for a principal to fail to comply with the child care vaccination enrolment requirements it is an offence (with a penalty of 50 penalty units) for a person to forge or falsify a vaccination certificate. Importantly, the vast majority of children will be unaffected by the changes as over 93% of children in NSW are fully vaccinated at one and five years of age (see HealthStatsNSW). When last measured in December 2015, parental conscientious objection affected only around 1.15% of children aged 0-7 years in NSW. Children who cannot be fully vaccinated due to a medical condition or who are on a recognised catch-up schedule will still be able to be enrolled upon presentation of the appropriate form signed by a medical practitioner.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immunisation/Pages/childcare_qa.aspx

It would be interesting to see what the permutations are:

1 Against mandatory vaccination but FOR voter ID
2 Against mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID
3 FOR mandatory vaccination and FOR voter ID
4 FOR mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID.

Where do you stand?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 5:32am:

everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic. BUT heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny). we will get 70 % vaxxed. the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick). BUT you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX . in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time. so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year. it wont. and i think we have years to decades of just having to accept many covid admissions to hospitals and many deaths. the way out is to teach personal risk assessment and personal responsibility for weight health distancing hygiene. the way out is NOT to be little babies who expect mummy gladys and daddy scott to keep you safe.  (about the only word in their vocabulary nowadays  ::) ::)) they cant its on YOU

The interesting thing about covid is we've all discovered that it's not all about YOU at all. It's about US.

YOU can only stop someone infecting you for so long.

YOU can only ensure that your livelihood is available for so long, or you have an employer, or customers, or money in the bank.

Pandemics affect populations, not individuals. One person alone can do very little to prevent covid.

The plagues transformed Europe. Without them, populations wouldn't have been divided into parishes and had their births and deaths recorded, then regulated. We wouldn't have urban planning and, eventually, hospitals.

Hospitals are highly systematised social places. They're not about YOU, they're a regulated social unit with the aim of treating YOU. Health care is about teamwork.

The same applies to economies. No mainstream political party is adverse to economic stimulus anymore. Even your Dear Leader sent out fake cheques pretending he was the one putting free money in their accounts. In the UK, a Tory government paid people's wages - unimaginable in 2019. The government is BACK.

The pre-war policies of Milton Keynes are back. No more free unfettered markets, no more survival of the fittest. The days of Reagan and Thatcher are oh so 2019.

Covid has shown that we need to support everyone to save ourselves, and ultimately, prevent YOU from getting sick.

This, I think, is what offends you so much about covid. It's not a grand, triumph of the individual narrative. It's more of a meticulous police procedural. The clues are solved through teamwork, people working together to solve a problem. We're forced to look at data and base analysis on facts.

This frustrates you. You're trying really hard to find ideology in there and signal virtue, but alas, the "evolutionary blowtorch" doesn't work that way.

You want quick, easy fixes with bold, anthemic slogans. You want to see Dear Leader bopping on stage to the Village People, hurling slogans at his maskless crowds, just as he'd throw MAGA caps to his adoring audience or paper towels out to incredulous hurricane survivors: we will make America GREAT again, STRONG again, BRAVE again...

All that did was see half a million deaths during his term - all up, more than Vietnam, WWII and September 11 put together. America has the largest covid toll in the world because its leadership said it was on YOU.

Mask mandates, social distancing, crowd control? YOU. Federal health policy, pandemic plan, national coordination? YOU. Fake cures, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers?

You know who, dear. They'll never mention covid after I'm gone, no?

YOU.

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 5:46pm:

It would be interesting to see what the permutations are: 1 Against mandatory vaccination but FOR voter ID 2 Against mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID 3 FOR mandatory vaccination and FOR voter ID 4 FOR mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID.

You left out being offended, old boy.

No one has the right to not be offended and Against mandatory vaccination.

Everyone has the right to not be offended and For mandatory vaccination.

No one has the right to Be offended and against mandatory vaccination, etc, etc.

It's a hard one. A question for our time, no?

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

They're not about YOU, they're a regulated social unit with the aim of treating YOU. Health care is about teamwork. The same applies to economies. No mainstream political party is adverse to economic stimulus anymore. Even your Dear Leader sent out fake cheques pretending he was the one putting free money in their accounts. In the UK, a Tory government paid people's wages - unimaginable in 2019. The government is BACK. YOU.

You take it as beyond argument that government knows and knows best.   That's where you fall on your face. The rest of your blather is just that - justifying an unproven premise.


Prove/show that governments DO know and know best and then you might have an argument worth listening to. Until then it's just agit prop.

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2021 at 6:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 6:34pm: They're not about YOU, they're a regulated social unit with the aim of treating YOU. Health care is about teamwork. The same applies to economies. No mainstream political party is adverse to economic stimulus anymore. Even your Dear Leader sent out fake cheques pretending he was the one putting free money in their accounts. In the UK, a Tory government paid people's wages - unimaginable in 2019. The government is BACK. YOU. You take it as beyond argument that government knows and knows best.   That's where you fall on your face. The rest of your blather is just that - justifying an unproven premise. Prove/show that governments DO know and know best and then you might have an argument worth listening to. Until then it's just agit prop.

Oh, I don't think Mother knows best, dear, far from it. Remember, I'm forbidden from:

- Leaving my LGA
- Visiting anyone
- Going out to eat or drink
- Going outside without a mask
- Going shopping with anyone else
- Buying anything other than groceries

I've never seen a tighter regime in my life, but do you know?

The only way this is going to change is if everybody gets jabbed.

I'm no fan of big government. Our country's a vast improvement on the monopolised, closed shop I grew up in.

More diverse, more interesting, more technologically advanced, better educated, better wages, less violent, more healthy.

Most of this is thanks to liberal market reforms. Financial deregulation, busting up the cartels and ending the White Australia Policy.

But when you're faced with a virus that can kill more Americans in two years than its entire history in war, the only way to work is together, as a team.

WE.

The problem with those reforms is they indirectly shaped a spoilt, self-indulgent bunch of consumers, all focussed on ME.

You?

Young Liberals oppose mandatory/coerced vaccination.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-treasurers-younger-brother-rebels-by-opposing-mandatory-coronavirus-vaccination/news-story/f9d9adbb2b1dc81133ad48b44a68d015

Re Goosecat

Its a case of balance.  On one hand, we want to have as much individual freedom and choice as we can, but on the other, if vaccine hesitancy is too high, then we will not reach the target needed to have a relative functional society.  This COVID 19 virus is here to stay, its mutating, and improving.   I suspect, going in to the future, we are going to have annual boosters for different variants just like for the influenzae virus in order to keep the mortality rate low.   If we let this virus rip through unvaccinated population, then, our hospital system would crumble, and our society would simply cease to function.  This is a senario no government of any side would accept. 

There are of course exceptions to everything.  For example if someone has allergic reaction to vaccines, or have an underlying medical condition that the vaccine is contraindicated, then, well, there is not much a government can do about that.   In this case, it is then upto those individuals to protect themselves. 

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 2:39pm:

Re Goosecat Its a case of balance.  On one hand, we want to have as much individual freedom and choice as we can, but on the other, if vaccine hesitancy is too high, then we will not reach the target needed to have a relative functional society.  This COVID 19 virus is here to stay, its mutating, and improving.   I suspect, going in to the future, we are going to have annual boosters for different variants just like for the influenzae virus in order to keep the mortality rate low.   If we let this virus rip through unvaccinated population, then, our hospital system would crumble, and our society would simply cease to function.  This is a senario no government of any side would accept.  There are of course exceptions to everything.  For example if someone has allergic reaction to vaccines, or have an underlying medical condition that the vaccine is contraindicated, then, well, there is not much a government can do about that.   In this case, it is then upto those individuals to protect themselves.

Thanks for a balanced response. As far as your last sentence is concerned; that is what I am doing. There has not been a single mention of. or story regarding people for whom the vaccine is an acknowledged dangerous proposition basically anywhere in medical, media, government forums.. I get that such would go against the grain of enhancing vaccine uptake but for people like me it is important to get it out there and not get completely lost in the maelstrom. In addition there is growing evidence of treatment options other than vaccine that someone like myself would obviously wish to be fully explored rather than dismissed.

Updated the poll, removed voter id option.

Frank wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 5:04pm:

Updated the poll, removed voter id option.

Thanks Frank. I think it's far more interesting to get a gauge on sentiment regarding support of Mandatory/Coerced vaccination versus non-mandatory, untethered to specific ideological parameters like a voter ID etc. Who is pro Mandatory and who is not?

Lord Mayor calls for Vaccine Passport;
https://twitter.com/CloverMoore/status/1427112110153080832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427112110153080832%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.9news.com.au%2Fnational%2Faustralia-breaking-news-live-coronavirus-updates-headlines-august-16-2021-sydney-stay-at-home-blitz-new-pfizer-shipment%2Fffe6daf4-7ffe-46cd-9b71-c0a2a9f1ca30

QANTAS makes vaccination MANDATORY or no job.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-update-qantas-to-make-vaccinations-mandatory-for-staff/01fce6e9-be94-4d2f-97b7-70b3315ffb03
They do at least touch on the medical exemption issue.
One wonders who will be the first legal test case.

"Qantas has announced it will make coronavirus vaccinations mandatory for staff.
The airline said it will require all employees in the Qantas Group to be vaccinated "as part of the national carrier's commitment to safety".
The Qantas group includes the subsidiaries Jetstar, QantasLink, Sunstate Airlines and Qantas Freight.
Qantas said it is giving frontline staff until November 15 to have the jabs, with other workers given until next March.

Qantas will make it compulsory for all staff to be vaccinated. (Qantas)
"Frontline employees – including cabin crew, pilots and airport workers – will need to be fully vaccinated by 15 November 2021 and the remainder of employees by 31 March 2022," the airline said in a statement.
"There will be exemptions for those who are unable for documented medical reasons to be vaccinated, which is expected to be very rare."
The airline said it consulted with Qantas and Jetstar staff on the issue in a survey.
The announcement comes a fortnight after Qantas announced about 2500 frontline workers will be temporarily stood down amid ongoing COVID-19 outbreaks around the country.
Earlier this month, SPC became the first non-health care company in Australia to make the COVID-19 jabs compulsory for workers and visitors to its sites.
The fruit and vegetable giant said all staff must be fully vaccinated by the end of November to gain entry to any of its company locations.
Last week, the FairWork Ombudsman updated its advice on whether businesses were able to mandate vaccinations among staff.
Australia's workplace watchdog had previously released guidance saying that businesses were "overwhelmingly" unable to require staff to be vaccinated.
However, it now says businesses in key industries such as border control, quarantine, healthcare and aged care organisations are "more likely" to be allowed to mandate jabs for employees."

Antivaxx nutters continue to cause flareups of COVID. If the flareups are too bad then hospitals are inundated and other surgery can’t go ahead.

Get the jab. We can’t speed on the road, we can’t drive through red lights. A mandatory jab (unless medically contra-indicated) will save lives.

Still not sure on all the legalities in Australia.
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/icl-2021-0010/html
It does seem under current laws, to be the case certain employers will be legally able to mandate you have to inject the chosen substances into your body, as you are told.
It just has a real 1984 feel to it to me.

goosecat wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 1:21pm:

Still not sure on all the legalities in Australia. https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/icl-2021-0010/html It does seem under current laws, to be the case certain employers will be legally able to mandate you have to inject the chosen substances into your body, as you are told. It just has a real 1984 feel to it to me.

Meh, using an Orwell reference should be a new Godwins law,

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

goosecat wrote on Aug 20th, 2021 at 1:21pm: Still not sure on all the legalities in Australia. https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/icl-2021-0010/html It does seem under current laws, to be the case certain employers will be legally able to mandate you have to inject the chosen substances into your body, as you are told. It just has a real 1984 feel to it to me. Meh, using an Orwell reference should be a new Godwins law,

Maybe, but the fact such happens is most likely a positive for the human species. That's why it exists through apparently every conversation. If it was a negative for the species, it would evolve out. I'd say it's an inherent protection mechanism.

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PCR TEST explained
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJ78r1a3/
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Sophia wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

. . PCR TEST explained . https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJ78r1a3/ . .

Generally OK, but seemed to assume we had no other way of testing

https://www.9news.com.au/national/virgin-to-make-coronavirus-vaccines-mandatory-for-all-staff/7ef25287-0f43-44bf-b22b-ee3afe306c4a

goosecat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 1:09pm:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/virgin-to-make-coronavirus-vaccines-mandatory-for-all-staff/7ef25287-0f43-44bf-b22b-ee3afe306c4a

Cool, still not widespread mandatory vaccination.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 2:26pm:

goosecat wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 1:09pm: https://www.9news.com.au/national/virgin-to-make-coronavirus-vaccines-mandatory-for-all-staff/7ef25287-0f43-44bf-b22b-ee3afe306c4a Cool, still not widespread mandatory vaccination.

True, What level of Mandatory Vaccination would you like to see through society going forward, knowing all the issues surrounding Mandatory demand/enforcement, including ongoing mutations and resistance?

"Imposing vaccine passports is likely to make hesitant people even more reluctant to get Covid jabs, research involving more than 16,000 people has found"
"Denmark’s “coronapas” system has been in operation since April but is being dropped from 10 September "

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/vaccine-passports-will-make-hesitant-people-even-more-reluctant-to-get-jabbed/ar-AANX08M?ocid=msedgntp

Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now....

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:17pm:

Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif

Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been a disaster.
I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment.

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment.

So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:33pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it.

If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk, are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you.
I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons.

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:36pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:33pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it. If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you. I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons.

You said your parents had vaccinated, not you. This is the line in the sand walking you've been doing since you got here. Don't want to appear like an anti-vaxx nutcase, but walking that fine line.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:40pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:36pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:33pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it. If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you. I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons. You said your parents had vaccinated, not you. This is the line in the sand walking you've been doing since you got here. Don't want to appear like an anti-vaxx nutcase, but walking that fine line.

It's a central line, just hard for low IQ individuals to grasp nowadays. Each statement is true, each fact presented is true and if I thought I could be safely vaccinated I'd like to think I would. Hard to know for sure being aware of the real risk to myself and family.

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:44pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:36pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:33pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it. If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you. I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons. You said your parents had vaccinated, not you. This is the line in the sand walking you've been doing since you got here. Don't want to appear like an anti-vaxx nutcase, but walking that fine line. It's a central line, just hard for low IQ individuals to grasp nowadays. Each statement is true, each fact presented is true and if I thought I could be safely vaccinated I'd like to think I would. Hard to know for sure being aware of the real risk to myself and family.

Again that fine line.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:45pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:44pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:36pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:33pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it. If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you. I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons. You said your parents had vaccinated, not you. This is the line in the sand walking you've been doing since you got here. Don't want to appear like an anti-vaxx nutcase, but walking that fine line. It's a central line, just hard for low IQ individuals to grasp nowadays. Each statement is true, each fact presented is true and if I thought I could be safely vaccinated I'd like to think I would. Hard to know for sure being aware of the real risk to myself and family. Again that fine line.

Again, it's central and true. I do have concerns with making it mandatory. As do many intelligent leaders, individuals and bodies. Even those who support mandatory vaccination list their concerns with it, including the WHO themselves. By your simplistic analysis that doesn't compute. Most central lines have a bit from both sides, that is is very nature.

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:47pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:45pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:44pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:36pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:33pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:30pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:17pm: Got me second shot Monday - 30,000 volts and no effect!!  Got a laugh when I said to the assembled crowd that we all had our tiny little pod sender inserted now.... https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriePGNjUGS2jhUC4/giphy.gif Good for you Grappler. Unfortunately for my family after discussion amongst members resulted in my parents deciding to vaccinate, I may be about to lose my mother. Despite what people may think, we are not an anti-vaccine family but geeze, each time we have been down this route it has been disaster. I'm just finding it really hard to be supportive of it all at the moment. So you're anti vaxx then, no matter how you try and spin it. If you think people actually getting vaccinated, even with risk are anti-vax than you really are at the basic level aren't you. I am certainly concerned with making it Mandatory, for numerous very good reasons. You said your parents had vaccinated, not you. This is the line in the sand walking you've been doing since you got here. Don't want to appear like an anti-vaxx nutcase, but walking that fine line. It's a central line, just hard for low IQ individuals to grasp nowadays. Each statement is true, each fact presented is true and if I thought I could be safely vaccinated I'd like to think I would. Hard to know for sure being aware of the real risk to myself and family. Again that fine line. Again, it's central and true. I do have concerns with making it mandatory.

No one has called for it to be mandatory. Private organisations making it mandatory for workers or people using their services is not the same.

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with  pre-conceived fears I think. It's not realistic at all.

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:50pm: PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with  pre-conceived fears I think.

Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:55pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:54pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:50pm: PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with  pre-conceived fears I think. Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

Hyperbolic bull-dust

The WHO opinion on Mandatory Vaccination;

Whilst being an advocate of the necessity on a case by case basis they go to specific lengths to address the negatives and issues around it also. That should ring bells for all. Even a pro-mandatory world health body, worries about the repercussions.
To sum up their opinion, it should be used basically as a last resort, sparingly and should be of short duration, with consideration for those with real individual concerns. Outside of that the negatives become a real issue for society as we know it.

Link to Doc;
https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1342697/retrieve

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 1:03pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:55pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:54pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:50pm: PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with  pre-conceived fears I think. Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions. Hyperbolic bull-dust

Backed up by the evidence on those forums.  Stop defending the nutcases, or otherwise you are one.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 2:29pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:03pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:55pm: goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:54pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:50pm: PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with  pre-conceived fears I think. Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions. Hyperbolic bull-dust Backed up by the evidence on those forums.  Stop defending the nutcases, or otherwise you are one.

Lol. Pot, Kettle, Black

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:32pm:

As the world slowly grinds towards ... mandatory vaccinations ...,

You can safely pack up and put away Dr Kevorkian's Nembutal Machine

NO vaccine has EVER - and NOR will ever - be mandatory in this country

Allergies come from certain components that make up the formula - not from every component in every vaccine
This is one of the reasons we have such a wide array of differing formula vaccines in the medical market-place

In the same sense of fail-safe, we have SIX DIFFERENT annual 'flu' vaccinations available this 'flu season

So, an absolute allergy to all and everything dispensed through a syringe is not an argument or defence that holds up

HOWEVER, a conscientious objection against all vaccines - without an specified reason - is your RIGHT in this democracy

But you must also accept as the RIGHT in this democracy to any company or government department to demand proof of full covid cover as a condition of employment

Such a RIGHT in this democracy should also extend to the private sector premises of all hotels, bars, restaurants, cafes, supermarkets, gynasiums, swimming centres, theatres and cinemas, medical practices and hospitals - to name a few examples of a much longer list

I'D be asking mself if stepping outsiide of society - with all of the other anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists - was really worth the cost ?

I mean, who'd want to spend eternity - in world of 'lost nails' ?


The science will ALWAYS prevail

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:

Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

These are NOT 'mandatory' measures
They are more aligned with a 'dress code'
No shoes, no vax, no service








No one's holding you down for a 'pricking'
(not in a bad way, at least]

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:

It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic. Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

Are they going to strap people down and inject them against their will?

Disingenuous responses both. Even leaders, politicians, world bodies and media refer to Mandatory.
If you are told you must be vaccinated or you lose your job and all that entails for your family, children and loss of income, it is mandatory and all genuine people know it.
These types of bullshit-disingenuous and juvenile level responses are clear for all genuine people to see.
It does not aid your position at all.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools).

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunisation-program-schedule-for-all-people.pdf

Some of the list: (This isn't new).

chickenpox (varicella)
diphtheria
influenza
hepatitis B
Hib
measles
meningococcal AWCY
mumps
pneumococcal
polio
rotavirus
rubella
tetanus
whooping cough (pertussis).

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 11:07pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:39pm: What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone. This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools). https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunisation-program-schedule-for-all-people.pdf Some of the list: (This isn't new). chickenpox (varicella) diphtheria influenza hepatitis B Hib measles meningococcal AWCY mumps pneumococcal polio rotavirus rubella tetanus whooping cough (pertussis).

And just the sort of mandatory program the WHO themselves state as having negative repercussions regarding vaccine hesitancy and trust in medical and government programs through the populace. The mothers who never really had an issue with vaccination and government medical programs, until a mandatory lightning rod was erected for them to rail against , as predicted by the WHO themselves and so evident now.
Short-sighted, ill conceived legislation.

The WHO opinion on Mandatory Vaccination;

Whilst being an advocate of the necessity on a case by case basis they go to specific lengths to address the negatives and issues around it also. That should ring bells for all. Even a pro-mandatory world health body, worries about the repercussions.
To sum up their opinion, it should be used basically as a last resort, sparingly and should be of short duration, with consideration for those with real individual concerns. Outside of that the negatives become a real issue for society as we know it.

Link to Doc;
https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1342697/retrieve

We must, as we have with every other virus containment effort, combine treatment options with vaccination. That has been almost perversely forgotten at the moment. History will not judge the proponents of the master plan and it's implementation well.

Mandatory Vaccination Challenge
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vaccine-mandate-challenge-to-be-expedited/ar-AAO2wFD?ocid=msedgntp
It will most likely fail to an extent but may bring some clarity on it needing to be restricted to very specific targets.
Regardless of that, the fact mandatory vaccination demands build vaccine hesitancy should be obvious enough to even the most simple minded individuals. It is certainly not lost on the WHO who state themselves it has repercussions through society and builds hesitancy and mistrust issues in the populace. That carries forward to other medical and government programs and initiatives. Beware the short-sighted, short term visions of mandating what people MUST DO WITH THEIR BODIES.

WHO Statement:
"World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)."

4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transcript---7-december-2020

5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerations-regarding-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination-for-international-travellers

goosecat wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2021 at 2:11pm:

WHO Statement: "World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)." 4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transcript---7-december-2020 5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerations-regarding-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination-for-international-travellers

Thats still not mandatory vaccination.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2021 at 2:13pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:11pm: WHO Statement: "World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)." 4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transcript---7-december-2020 5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerations-regarding-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination-for-international-travellers Thats still not mandatory vaccination.

Lol

Spain
"Inmaculada Castelló said: “There is only one precedent in Spanish legislation providing health authorities with the power to decree compulsory vaccination. A 1980 law provides that vaccinations against smallpox and diphtheria and against typhoid and paratyphoid infections could be declared compulsory by the government if the number of cases of these diseases justified such an intervention, or in cases of a current or foreseeable epidemic situation. Nonetheless, mandatory Covid-19 vaccination seems unlikely and, in my opinion, would not have a positive impact on the population´s attitude towards such vaccines. Acceptance is already high enough to achieve herd immunity in Spain and adopting such measures would have no other effect than to generate mistrust among the population.”

Netherlands
Machteld Hiemstra said: “Whilst it has been discussed at government level, the conclusion was that nobody can be forced to have the vaccination and the starting point is always that medical treatment cannot be imposed. To do so is considered a violation of article 11 of the Dutch constitution – the right of individuals to inviolability of their person – and article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights concerning individuals’ right to privacy. As a result, even requesting evidence of vaccination is prohibited.”

The hypocrisy and sheer abandonment of the Liberal party belief sets is quite astounding really. This party founded on individual rights and freedom of choice now lead by compromised and short-sighted failures like Sco Mo and Gladys. Absolutely disgusting how all their beliefs and principles have gone out the window and turned into nothing more than falsities whilst they get directed by short-sighted puppeteers pulling their strings. What the hell does the Liberal party actually stand for anymore, nothing?
I note the Young Liberals have come out and stated they are against mandatory vaccination:


The issue has become a flashpoint for some other conservative Liberals, including Mulgoa MP Tanya Davies who sent an email to all her fellow coalition MPs saying the government had “failed in their jobs as leaders”.

Ms Davies told the Liberal Party room earlier in the week she would introduce a bill to ban companies from mandating their employees to get jabbed, but received almost no support and was blasted by the Deputy Premier for taking a position that was “dangerous, irresponsible and threatens lives”.

Ms Davies applauded the Young Liberals for approving the motion, which passed 123 against 58.

“It's great to see the younger Liberals fighting for this,” she said.

“They could teach some of the Liberal MPs a thing or two.”

A Young Liberal source said many in the youth wing felt the party’s MPs are “stuck in ivory towers” and don’t know what’s “happening on the ground”.

“Young Libs are crying out for the government to reconsider the policy,” the person said.

“It goes against the Liberal Party mantra of individual freedom.”


LIBERAL PARTY BELIEFS FROM THEIR OWN CORE BELIEF STATEMENT:

"In the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples; and we work towards a lean government that minimises interference in our daily lives; and maximises individual and private sector initiative

In government that nurtures and encourages its citizens through incentive, rather than putting limits on people through the punishing disincentives"

Once again I personally am pro vaccination, I am anti mandatory vaccination and Passport/ID Cards. Not that the Australian public is capable of standing up anymore but I still believe being genuine in the beliefs you claim and having some integrity is important. Every single Liberal party member should be similar if they have any integrity.

I thought Yadda had a one track mind about Muslims.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/09/politics/joe-biden-covid-speech/index.html

Biden announces new vaccine mandates that could cover 100 million Americans


Kevin Liptak-Profile-Image
Kaitlan Collins byline

By Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins, CNN

Updated 0101 GMT (0901 HKT) September 10, 2021


Now, federal employees will have 75 days to get vaccinated or risk being fired.

A potentially massive impact on the US workforce
Wide swaths of the American workforce could be impacted by the new rules, which would take effect over the coming weeks. The new "emergency temporary standard" from the Labor Department will require large employers to give their workers paid time off to get vaccinated. If businesses don't comply, the government will "take enforcement actions," which could include "substantial fines up to nearly $14,000 per violation, according to officials.


"The expectation is if you want to work in the federal government or want to be a contractor, you need to be vaccinated," press secretary Jen Psaki said, adding the number of unvaccinated federal workers was still being compiled. Officials said limited exemptions would apply to workers claiming medical or religious reasons for not getting vaccinated.
The White House has said the federal government should act as a model for other businesses in their own vaccine mandates, and has praised large companies that require employees to be vaccinated.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 11:07pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:39pm: What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone. This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools). https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunisation-program-schedule-for-all-people.pdf Some of the list: (This isn't new). chickenpox (varicella) diphtheria influenza hepatitis B Hib measles meningococcal AWCY mumps pneumococcal polio rotavirus rubella tetanus whooping cough (pertussis).

You are correct

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 11:07pm: John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:39pm: What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be? You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone. This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools). https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunisation-program-schedule-for-all-people.pdf Some of the list: (This isn't new). chickenpox (varicella) diphtheria influenza hepatitis B Hib measles meningococcal AWCY mumps pneumococcal polio rotavirus rubella tetanus whooping cough (pertussis). You are correct

I was referring to COVID vaccines, but this illustrates my point to be honest.  There are plenty of industries and vaccines which are essentially mandated. Why all the fuss about this one?

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said.

... a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents.

The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption.

https://dcist.com/story/21/07/19/parents-take-aim-dc-law-allows-minors-get-vaccinated-without-parental-permission/



This is bold, though positive legislation, that protects the rights of the child overriding the beliefs of parents involved with whacko cults

Similar legislation already exists where parents oppose life-saving blood transfusions

This is good law making

Not having leadership, both Islam and Judaism have polarized views on immunisation
Only the Danish Reform and Christian Science oppose them - for reasons best known to themselves

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:57pm:

lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:30pm: And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said. ... a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents. The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption. https://dcist.com/story/21/07/19/parents-take-aim-dc-law-allows-minors-get-vaccinated-without-parental-permission/ This is bold, though positive legislation, that protects the rights of the child overriding the beliefs of parents involved with whacko cults Similar legislation already exists where parents oppose life-saving blood transfusions This is good law making Not having leadership, both Islam and Judaism have polarized views on immunisation Only the Danish Reform and Christian Science oppose them - for reasons best known to themselves

I also like the assumption that somehow parents have special qualifications just because they are parents.

goosecat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

The issue has become a flashpoint for some other conservative Liberals, including Mulgoa MP Tanya Davies who sent an email to all her fellow coalition MPs saying the government had “failed in their jobs as leaders”. Ms Davies told the Liberal Party room earlier in the week she would introduce a bill to ban companies from mandating their employees to get jabbed, but received almost no support and was blasted by the Deputy Premier for taking a position that was “dangerous, irresponsible and threatens lives”.

Despite being a renowned "leftie" I'm happy with Berajiklian's leadership during Covid
My ONLY criticism has been her tardiness on mandatory masks and lock-downs
And pettiness of the term "stay at home orders"- instead of "lock down"

The latter, of course, being a Labor term

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

I was referring to COVID vaccines, but this illustrates my point to be honest.  There are plenty of industries and vaccines which are essentially mandated. Why all the fuss about this one?

It's the first new vaccination in the age of 'social media" - the conspiracy theorist's best friend

If the measles vaccine were only invented last week - the same loons (like, lost nail) would be running the same propaganda campaign on THAT one

Of course, these conspiracy theorists don't realise that every years 'flu' vaccine is a different formula than the year previous - to combat a new 'flu' virus

Findings from three important Cochrane reviews on the effectiveness of the influenza vaccination aren’t consistent with the advice we’ve been given.

Cochrane reviews are independent systematic reviews, which are comprehensive analyses of most of the literature relevant to a research topic. Cochrane reviews summarise the results in a multitude of studies, and are regularly updated to absorb new research.

These three Cochrane reviews have been recently updated, as well as stabilised, which is what happens when it looks as if it seems unlikely new research would be published that would change the conclusions.

What the reviews found
The first Cochrane review looked at the effects of the influenza vaccine in healthy adults from 25 studies conducted over single influenza seasons in North America, South America, and Europe between 1969 and 2009. It found the vaccine reduced the chance of getting laboratory confirmed influenza from 23 cases out of 1,000 to 9 cases out of 1,000.

While this seems to be a reduction of more than 50%, that seems less optimistic expressed in absolute terms.

The infection rate in adults drops from 2% per year to 1%. You could say that’s halved, but it effectively only drops by 1%. So this means that out of every 100 healthy adults vaccinated, 99 get no benefit against laboratory confirmed influenza

The second Cochrane review – which looked at trials in children over single influenza seasons in the US, Western Europe, Russia, and Bangladesh between 1984 and 2013 – found similar results.

The third Cochrane review looked at vaccines for the elderly in nursing homes. It found much less good evidence, with only one randomised trial – considered the gold standard in clinical trials as it establishes causation rather than correlation.

While observational studies (that draw inferences from a population to establish associations) have been done to show benefits of the vaccines, bias means we cannot rely on their results.

There are also potential harms from influenza vaccines noted in the reviews. They range from serious (a neurological disease called Guillain Barre) through to moderate (fevers, in children especially – some of which will cause febrile convulsions), and trivial (a sore arm for a couple of days).

https://theconversation.com/the-flu-vaccine-is-being-oversold-its-not-that-effective-97688

No Jab Jobs
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/thousands-on-facebook-group-opposing-mandatory-vaccination-posting-nojab-jobs-online/news-story/ee1d8714dab8860fd56147e6ed780d74

Yep, not an anti-vaxxer at all.

Not mandatory no. As an employer myself I most certainly do believe in Employer rights.
I don't believe in rights to insist employees inject themselves with substances having a permanent lifetime effect long after they leave your employ. That's not presiding over your work-place, that is lifetime action.

In order to work on site, all tradies in Victoria must have received at least their first jab by September 23, the state’s Covid reopening road map declared.

But the mandate was an “unrealistic and blunt approach” that undermines the vaccine rollout, given at extremely short notice, and which did little else but inflame tensions, the Victorian Building Industry Group of Unions (BIGU) said in a statement.

“The (BIGU) maintains the view that the construction industry would have voluntarily reached high levels of vaccination without a heavy-handed approach,” the statement read.

“This heavy-handed mandate by the chief health officer, which was implemented with no notice, has only served to drive many people towards the (anti-vaxxer) movement.”

“We believe that for the overwhelming majority of Australians your work or workplace should not fundamentally alter the voluntary nature of vaccination,” it read.

The view is consistent with advice from the World Health Organisation (WHO), which does not support Covid vaccines being compulsory, Prof Tham said.

“Instead, the WHO argues for a focus on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible,” he said.

“Encouragement and facilitation do not guarantee workforces are 100 per cent vaccinated in the short term. But they may have more enduring public health benefits than forcing vaccination.

“Discussing and encouraging vaccination can be effective in overcoming vaccine hesitancy. For instance, meetings of the health sector union have resulted in many initially reticent members deciding to be vaccinated.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/tradies-prepare-for-war-with-victorian-government-over-covid-vaccine-mandate-with-violent-cfmeu-protest-a-sign-of-things-to-come/news-story/24f31938a448b6fbb6ec8bc07bc14ed0

goosecat wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:24am:

Not mandatory no. As an employer myself I most certainly do believe in Employer rights. I don't believe in rights to insist employees inject themselves with substances having a permanent lifetime effect long after they leave your employ. That's not presiding over your work-place, that is lifetime action.

💯 agreed!

goosecat wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:16am:

No Jab Jobs https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/thousands-on-facebook-group-opposing-mandatory-vaccination-posting-nojab-jobs-online/news-story/ee1d8714dab8860fd56147e6ed780d74

I strongly recommend this Facebook group 😎

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 3:00pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm: lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:30pm: And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said. ... a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents. The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption. https://dcist.com/story/21/07/19/parents-take-aim-dc-law-allows-minors-get-vaccinated-without-parental-permission/ This is bold, though positive legislation, that protects the rights of the child overriding the beliefs of parents involved with whacko cults Similar legislation already exists where parents oppose life-saving blood transfusions This is good law making Not having leadership, both Islam and Judaism have polarized views on immunisation Only the Danish Reform and Christian Science oppose them - for reasons best known to themselves I also like the assumption that somehow parents have special qualifications just because they are parents.

That's because as parents we do have special qualifications (and responsibilities too)!

Why? BECAUSE we're parents! Duh!

WHAT SHOULD YOU MENTION TO YOUR VACCINATION PROVIDER BEFORE YOU GET THE VACCINE?

Tell the vaccination provider about all of your medical conditions, including if
you:
• have any allergies
• have had myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or pericarditis
(inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
• have a fever
• have a bleeding disorder or are on a blood thinner
• are immunocompromised or are on a medicine that affects your immune system
• are pregnant or plan to become pregnant
• are breastfeeding
• have received another COVID-19 vaccine
• have ever fainted in association with an injection
WHO SHOULD GET THE VACCINE?
FDA has approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) for use in individuals 16 years of age and older and has authorized it for emergency use in individuals 12 through 15 years.
FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine in individuals 12 years of age and older.

WHO SHOULD NOT GET THE VACCINE?
You should not get the COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine if you:
• had a severe allergic reaction after a previous dose of this vaccine
• had a severe allergic reaction to any ingredient of this vaccine.

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) AND THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine include the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane- 6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N- ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

Is it any wonder people need to be coerced and threatened in order to get these drugs into them? Booster shots after booster shots followed by new variant shots.

A never ending jab junkie existence that's being marketed as normal and as life. Pffft!

Vaccines arent drugs.

It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over.

Mandatory Vaccination doesn't drive Anti-Vax, anti government, anti medical authority, anti employer sentiment at all. Lol. As for supporting future government and health authority demands- initiatives, well......
Obviously the WHO, Professors, people on the streets, social media, forums and still greater silent numbers are just a bad dream.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 10:46pm:

It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over.

It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself!

You can't be THIS ignorant....can you?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 10:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you?

So they've been upfront about the deals that were made for other medication they produce?

Wow, what a shocking conspiracy you've uncovered...

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 10:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you?

Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates...

In shampoo.

Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse.

I'm still laughing and trying to get over the fact that you have openly accused a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx!

You must feel very stupid and embarrassed now.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:10pm:

I'm still laughing and trying to get over the fact that you have openly accused a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx! You must feel very stupid and embarrassed now.

You'd best be getting them jabs, old girl... At your age you'll be a statistic.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:10pm:

I'm still laughing and trying to get over the fact that you have openly accused a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx! You must feel very stupid and embarrassed now.

Again, the information on their site is not anti-vax, I never said it was.  It's the conclusions who've made after reading said information that is.

But alas, now you're simply copying and pasting your own rubbish, not even that you're getting from facebook.

Good job.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse.

Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body.

There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o

So that's how it's going to be?

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 10:46pm:

It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over.

That's your comment Sad Kangaroo.

Back pedalling NOW is only making you look both stupid AND pathetic. So if I were you...I'd stop.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o

So you don't know some are carcinogenic, then?

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So that's how it's going to be?

What do you mean by that?

You sound like you think we've been in some long term relationship and we're about to split up 😂

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. That's your comment Sad Kangaroo. Back pedalling NOW is only making you look both stupid AND pathetic. So if I were you...I'd stop.

You do realise you copy and paste more than one thing?

But who says I was even talking about you, or the content from the vaccine manufacturers?  Can you quote me saying that?

But hey, let's pretend I did.

So how about this, I'll play your game and say sure, I said the vaccine manufactures are anti-vax.  I'm so stupid and ignorant.

There.

Now, can you please answer the question, since you're against mandatory vaccination policies and you don't want those who choose not to get vaccinated to be treated any differently (vaccine passports, different seating, forced to wear masks, get the same healthcare as everyone else etc), BUT you do take COVID seriously, you must have an idea on how to combat the virus while adhering to these things you believe, so tell us, what is your alternative?

How can we take COVID seriously and combat it without using any of the mitigation efforts you fight against?  What's the plan love?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:20pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So that's how it's going to be? What do you mean by that? You sound like you think we've been in some long term relationship and we're about to split up 😂

No, it's more about us rarely crossing paths until these past few days and me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a legitimate poster.

You've pretty much removed all doubt at this point, but your next reply will be telling.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So you don't know some are carcinogenic, then?

Topical creams vs injecting chemicals.

Hmmm I know you think you've got me stumped. But I can assure you I'm way ahead of you there. I'm a girl who loves my shampoos and conditioners and make up etc.

Of course topical creams are safe! You just throw those with organic ingredients into your shopping trolley and move quickly to the next aisle! I've been doing that ever since I was an 18 yr old Uni student!

Injecting chemicals into your body is a completely different story. It isn't something you do by walking through a supermarket.

I know you're hoping against hope that it is a valid comparison but it just isn't. And if anything ... it shows that you're seriously struggling in this discussion/debate.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:20pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So that's how it's going to be? What do you mean by that? You sound like you think we've been in some long term relationship and we're about to split up 😂 No, it's more about us rarely crossing paths until these past few days and me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a legitimate poster. You've pretty much removed all doubt at this point, but your next reply will be telling.

Dear Lord! I've only been here for 11 years. Sure I took a break (over the past 2 years) but that was because I was fatigued by the trolling and flaming on OzPol AND Covid19 came into our lives and threw everything into the air!

I am married with kids and as such our entire family was affected in some way shape or form. It's been a rough ride for our family esp our extended family. Everyone in Australia has had a rough trot really. As to me being legitimate I am me and I only post with 1 id. My id reflects my true name in part. I'm known as either Lisa or Elisa. Would you like to know my shoe size? Would that help you in assessing my legitimacy lol?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:33pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So you don't know some are carcinogenic, then? Topical creams vs injecting chemicals. Hmmm I know you think you've got me stumped. But I can assure you I'm way ahead of you there. I'm a girl who loves my shampoos and conditioners and make up etc. Of course topical creams are safe! You just throw those with organic ingredients into your shopping trolley and move quickly to the next aisle! I've been doing that ever since I was an 18 yr old Uni student! Injecting chemicals into your body is a completely different story. It isn't something you do by walking through a supermarket. I know you're hoping against hope that it is a valid comparison but it just isn't. And if anything ... it shows that you're seriously struggling in this discussion/debate.

Just testing your confirmation bias...

Organic ingredients eh? Do you read the contents of produce bought? Course not. You grab what you like and throw them into your shopping trolley and move quickly to the next aisle.

Then you stroll to the car amid diesel-powered vehicles...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: I'm still laughing and trying to get over the fact that you have openly accused a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx! You must feel very stupid and embarrassed now. You'd best be getting them jabs, old girl... At your age you'll be a statistic.

Umm I was referring to Sad Kangaroo.

Why are you answering on his behalf ?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:48pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:12pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: I'm still laughing and trying to get over the fact that you have openly accused a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx! You must feel very stupid and embarrassed now. You'd best be getting them jabs, old girl... At your age you'll be a statistic. Umm I was referring to Sad Kangaroo. Why are you answering on his behalf ?

Would it make a difference to the response?

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 10:46pm:

It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over.

That's your comment Sad Kangaroo.

And it was made immediately in response to me copying and pasting 2 paragraphs from a vaccine manufacturer's website page.

Give it up! You've been sprung!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:44pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:25pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:20pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So that's how it's going to be? What do you mean by that? You sound like you think we've been in some long term relationship and we're about to split up 😂 No, it's more about us rarely crossing paths until these past few days and me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a legitimate poster. You've pretty much removed all doubt at this point, but your next reply will be telling. Dear Lord! I've only been here for 11 years. Sure I took a break (over the past 2 years) but that was because I was fatigued by the trolling and flaming on OzPol AND Covid19 came into our lives and threw everything into the air! I am married with kids and as such our entire family was affected in some way shape or form. It's been a rough ride for our family esp our extended family. Everyone in Australia has had a rough trot really. As to me being legitimate I am me and I only post with 1 id. My id reflects my true name in part. I'm known as either Lisa or Elisa. Would you like to know my shoe size? Would that help you in assessing my legitimacy lol?

The legitimacy is in terms of debate, not if you have socks or not.

You don't want to articulate your position after many polite requests and it's exhaused any respect I had for you, simply by default since as I said our paths have not really crossed all these years.

But you've at least cleared that up.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:51pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. That's your comment Sad Kangaroo. And it was made immediately in response to me copying and pasting 2 paragraphs from a vaccine manufacturer's website page. Give it up! You've been sprung!

Ah yes, but where did I say I was referring to your post or the information you copied from the vaccine manufacturers?

I didn't. Poor petal, I think you're projecting you own insecurities in your arguments.

That's on you love.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:12pm:

You'd best be getting them jabs, old girl... At your age you'll be a statistic.

Actually my choice is not your call.

And for your information my teenage kids have referred to me as "the old lady" since the day I turned 40.

I've been old for 10 years now.  :-?

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. That's your comment Sad Kangaroo. And it was made immediately in response to me copying and pasting 2 paragraphs from a vaccine manufacturer's website page. Give it up! You've been sprung! Ah yes, but where did I say I was referring to your post or the information you copied from the vaccine manufacturers? I didn't. Poor petal, I think you're projecting you own insecurities in your arguments. That's on you love.

You made the silly comment straight after I posted the information ffs! And it took you 30 minutes to think of a come back to cover your silly remark!

Seriously give up! You're seriously behaving like one of my kids. Back when he was 9 yrs old!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:12pm: You'd best be getting them jabs, old girl... At your age you'll be a statistic. Actually my choice is not your call. And for your information my teenage kids have referred to me as "the old lady" the day I turned 40. I've been old for 10 years now.  :-?

Good on you, old girl.

If you don't get the jab and rona beats you, have yourself buried... Carbon sequestration and all... Every bit helps.

The truth is you're just avoiding having to articulate your position and alternative since you're pro-choice bunt anti consequences of choice.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:44pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:25pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:20pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:15pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 10:46pm: It's interesting that some who claims they're not anti-vaccination, they are just pro-choice, keep copying and pasting anti-vax content over and over. It's even more interesting when people like yourself haven't worked out that the information I've copied and pasted is straight from the freaking Pfizer et al vaccine website itself! You can't be THIS ignorant....can you? Then there's cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, carnauba wax, xanthan gum, gelatin, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, 1,3-dimethylol-5,5-dimethyl (DMDM) hydantoin, tetrasodium EDTA, methylisothiazolinone, potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, dehydroacetic acid, benzyl alcohol, sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate, hexachlorophene, phthalates... In shampoo. Work into the hair thoroughly, daily; allow to sit for 2 minutes then rinse. Whilst laughing about Sad Kangaroo openly accusing a major vaccine manufacturer's website of being anti vaxx .....I'm now laughing at another fool who's mind seriously believes that topical creams and lotions is exactly the same as injecting them into your body. There's gotta be someone left on OzPol with a bit of sanity.  :o :o So that's how it's going to be? What do you mean by that? You sound like you think we've been in some long term relationship and we're about to split up 😂 No, it's more about us rarely crossing paths until these past few days and me giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a legitimate poster. You've pretty much removed all doubt at this point, but your next reply will be telling. Dear Lord! I've only been here for 11 years. Sure I took a break (over the past 2 years) but that was because I was fatigued by the trolling and flaming on OzPol AND Covid19 came into our lives and threw everything into the air! I am married with kids and as such our entire family was affected in some way shape or form. It's been a rough ride for our family esp our extended family. Everyone in Australia has had a rough trot really. As to me being legitimate I am me and I only post with 1 id. My id reflects my true name in part. I'm known as either Lisa or Elisa. Would you like to know my shoe size? Would that help you in assessing my legitimacy lol? The legitimacy is in terms of debate, not if you have socks or not. You don't want to articulate your position after many polite requests and it's exhaused any respect I had for you, simply by default since as I said our paths have not really crossed all these years. But you've at least cleared that up.

Firstly your level of debate is very wanting. You consistently fail to understand or accept information given to you by others who have been kind enough to provide you with links and/or copy and pasted paragraphs.

Secondly you make unfounded and ridiculous assertions as regards legitimacy on a forum where I've been a member far longer than you have.

Thirdly you presume that this is some type of quasi job interview moment for you and I'm your applicant. Well guess what buddy. I'm not.

Fourthly it matters not what you think about my gender, my stance wrt vaccines in general or Covid19 vaccines etc. You play the the ball not the player.

You got that? Good.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 12:10am:

You got that? Good.

Yep, I understand your game, have fun :)

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:59pm:

Actually my choice is not your call.

Actually your choice is my call when it comes to public/personal safety, dumbass.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:12pm:

folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water Spot

Funny that ey

these anti vax passports & having the jab whiners probably all live in cities where the public water supply is fluoridated with highly toxic contaminated industrial waste .... & they drink it.

mandated as a spurious dental health measure.

I always find it quite hilarious when the lower IQ individuals compare apples with oranges and wonder why those with a few brains keep pointing out the differences. It's almost like child level cognitive ability.

The Fair Work Commission says that mandating vaccination by employers is not on:


[144] The science is clear that those who have recovered from COVID have at least the same level of protection from COVID as a person who has been vaccinated. There can be absolutely no legitimate basis, then, for mandating vaccination for this group of people.

[145] In short, there is no justifiable basis for employers to mandate COVID vaccinations to meet their health and safety obligations when other options are available to appropriately manage the risk.

...

Final comments

[179] Research in the context of COVID-19 has shown that many who are ‘vaccine-hesitant’ are well educated, work in the health care industry and have questions about how effective the vaccines are in stopping transmission, whether they are safe to take during pregnancy, or if they affect fertility. 37 A far safer and more democratic approach to addressing vaccine hesitancy, and therefore increasing voluntary vaccination uptake, lies in better education, addressing specific and often legitimate concerns that people may hold, and promoting genuine informed consent. It does not lie in censoring differing opinions or removing rights and civil liberties that are fundamental in a democratic nation. It certainly does not lie in the use of highly coercive, undemocratic and unethical mandates.

[180] The statements by politicians that those who are not vaccinated are a threat to public health and should be “locked out of society” and denied the ability to work are not measures to protect public health. They are not about public health and not justified because they do not address the actual risk of COVID. These measures can only be about punishing those who choose not to be vaccinated. If the purpose of the PHOs is genuinely to reduce the spread of COVID, there is no basis for locking out people who do not have COVID, which is easily established by a rapid antigen test. Conversely, a vaccinated person who contracts COVID should be required to isolate until such time as they have recovered.

[181] Blanket rules, such as mandating vaccinations for everyone across a whole profession or industry regardless of the actual risk, fail the tests of proportionality, necessity and reasonableness. It is more than the absolute minimum necessary to combat the crisis and cannot be justified on health grounds. It is a lazy and fundamentally flawed approach to risk management and should be soundly rejected by courts when challenged.

[182] All Australians should vigorously oppose the introduction of a system of medical apartheid and segregation in Australia. It is an abhorrent concept and is morally and ethically wrong, and the anthesis of our democratic way of life and everything we value.

[183] Australians should also vigorously oppose the ongoing censorship of any views that question the current policies regarding COVID. Science is no longer science if it a person is not allowed to question it.

[184] Finally, all Australians, including those who hold or are suspected of holding “anti-vaccination sentiments”, are entitled to the protection of our laws, including the protections afforded by the Fair Work Act. In this regard, one can only hope that the Majority Decision is recognised as an anomaly and not followed by others.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/decisionssigned/html/2021fwcfb6015.htm



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