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Title: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Ayn Marx on Aug 9th, 2021 at 10:31am
BURNING ISSUES
Today could be written in history as a turning point in the climate change crisis. The world’s leading authority on climate change will release a landmark report which warns that fire, floods, and extreme weather are just a hint of what’s to come in what has been called “an imminent and dire risk” to the global climate, The Guardian reports. Findings will be a key document for global leaders when they meet in November to determine the future of the planet. The report is the culmination of a five-year assessment from 234 leading scientists from more than 60 countries, The Conversation says. Scientists have rigorously evaluated more than 14,000 of the world’s climate change research papers to complete the stark picture. Today’s report will likely detail significant changes to the world’s oceans, ice caps, and land in the coming decades, the BBC reports. It was produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and comes just three months before talks at the UN Climate Change Conference, which will help shape climate policy worldwide, as Reuters reports. The IPCC’s periodic reports have never before held the gravity that this one has, released as a time where we could be approaching a point of no return. Michael Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Pennsylvania State University, told The Guardian this would be the last IPCC assessment that can make a real difference in policy terms — before we exceed 1.5 degree of warming. https://edm.privatemedia.com.au/webmail/272522/1026061936/a797bd4abcaa465c340eae03753a9fbbf98d44c9ac88bf650dec9b8926ca2778 _______________________________________________________________ Glad I’ll soon be leaving the planet and no longer need to answer difficult questions from the generation we’re leaving this mess to . |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by lee on Aug 9th, 2021 at 11:07am
"Think Climate Change a Delusion?"
No climate has always changed. The new report from the IPCC regurgitates old stuff that wasn't ever "in date". It is being used to promote the "new, improved" CMIP6 models which portray temperatures that are too warm - even warmer than the CMIP5 models which ran too warm. Poor old Michael E Mann. The author of the Tiljander graph (it was upside down - oops) And of course the infamous "hockey stick". In Academia that was worth being raised to "Distinguished professor". ;D ;D ;D ;D Ayn Marx wrote on Aug 9th, 2021 at 10:31am:
You mean like how come it didn't turn out anything but beneficial? Yeah that would be hard to reconcile. But we know with you feelings trump science. ;) |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by issuevoter on Aug 9th, 2021 at 11:15am
In 2004, the term "climate change" was introduced by GW Bush's re-election committee, because it sounded less threatening than what it actually is: GLOBAL WARMING. Less threatening, they said it, not me. At the same time, the President was advised not tell the electorate what he wanted them to believe, but what they wanted to believe. You have forgive people for being cynical about politicians.
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by lee on Aug 9th, 2021 at 11:20am Ayn Marx wrote on Aug 9th, 2021 at 10:31am:
He really means it this time. He was only joshing when he previously said it twice in 2015 and then 2020. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by issuevoter on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm
Hears a question for denialists. How much crap can we pump into the sky before it has an effect on climate?
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Ayn Marx on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:49pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
They’ll probably tell you it just makes pretty sunsets. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Belgarion on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:54pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
Here is a question for alarmists. If pumping crap into the sky is such an issue why are you so anti-nuclear? |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:29pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
Three-mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima, Windscale, etc. etc. Quote:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:32pm
... wait, there's a whole lot more:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:35pm
... there's even more:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:37pm
Yes darlings, there's even more:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:40pm
Please forgive me:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:41pm
Phew, the last bunch:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Belgarion on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:08pm
What is your source for this litany of doom and gloom? And do you actually understand any of it? ::)
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:32pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:08pm:
It appears that to get anything into Belgarion's head I would have to use jumper cables and clamps. Evidently, Belgarion has not heard of Google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Frank on Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:06pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Imagine - if you could think. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:02pm Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
I wish Frank could. In Frank's case imagination and thinking are impossibilities with a cranium chock-full of extremist dogma. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Belgarion on Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:45pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:32pm:
You really don't understand do you? What you have shown is a list of industrial accidents and simple breakdowns of types that are common in any industry, not specific to or caused by nuclear power generation. Here is a far more realistic look at the deaths associated with nuclear power plants. Note how few actually involve radiation. The deaths associated with other power generation methods are far in excess of those listed here. ::) https://environmentalprogress.org/nuclear-deaths |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by UnSubRocky on Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:50pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
I had a hot shower tonight. The room was fogging with high humidity upon getting out. It had been raining last night and today. But, usually, the town is cool to cold and dry for much of the winter. I figure that 80,000 people using hot water for their showers probably increase the likelihood of rainfall in town by about 0.1%. So, I look in the context of carbon monoxide being spewed into the atmosphere by millions of cars every day all year around. When the lockdown took place around the world, wildlife made their way back to cities. Pollution in India meant that they could see the mountains hundreds of kilometres away. Some articles have stated: *Reduction of air pollution and GHGs emission As industries, transportation and companies have closed down, it has brought a sudden drop of greenhouse gases (GHGs) emissions. *Reduction of water pollution Water pollution is a common phenomenon of a developing country like India, and Bangladesh, where domestic and industrial wastes are dumped into rivers without treatment. During the lockdown period, the major industrial sources of pollution have shrunk or completely stopped, which helped to reduce the pollution load. *Reduction of noise pollution Noise pollution is the elevated levels of sound, generated from different human activities (e.g., machines, vehicles, construction work), which may lead to adverse effects in human and other living organisms. *Ecological restoration and assimilation of tourist spots Over the past few years, tourism sector has witnessed a remarkable growth because of technological advancements and transport networks; which contribute significantly to global gross domestic product. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7498239/ All these shutdowns have seen a much similar level of pollution not seen in over 100 years. But, 100 years ago, there were polluting factories and industrial waste at some level relevant to worldwide industrial nations. The real issue is that all these pollutants have been flowing through the air in considerable amounts for the last 300 years. And yet, with all this pollutants, we are not seeing a considerable amount of climate change that could be noticeable by people who have lived and observed the weather and climate variations for the last 32 years. I would suggest that whilst it is commendable that we use green technology, we should focus more on conservation of species for flora and fauna. To answer your question: Any amount of pollutants can change the environment. But only slightly. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by UnSubRocky on Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:52pm Quote:
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004896972034095X?via%3Dihub |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by issuevoter on Aug 10th, 2021 at 11:28pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
I am neither alarmist nor anti-nuclear, but I believe their concern is mainly nuclear waste, which is reasonable, although advances in technology may address that problem. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Belgarion on Aug 11th, 2021 at 10:24am issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 11:28pm:
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Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Frank on Aug 11th, 2021 at 11:57am
Another IPCC reports, another fit of hysteria and hyperbole.
Predictably enough, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report has been greeted with hyperbole about fire, flood and tempest. It is ‘code red for humanity,’ according to UN general-secretary Antonio Guterres. ‘This report must sound a death knell for coal and fossil fuels before they destroy our planet.’ As ever with IPCC reports, the content doesn’t live up to the hysterical reviews. If the vision presented in it were the basis of a disaster movie you would want your money back. The political activist and media slant is over the top, as usual. |
Title: Re: Think Climate Change a Delusion? Post by Frank on Aug 14th, 2021 at 10:31am
Climate change is actually saving lives
In contrast to the hyperventilating media, the report is actually serious and sensible (and very, very long). It doesn’t surprise, since it is a summary of already published studies, but it reconfirms that global warming indeed is real and a problem. But it also highlights how much one-sided thinking takes place in the climate conversation. Since the heat dome in the US and Canada in June, there has been a lot of writing about more heat deaths. And the IPCC confirms that climate change indeed has increased heatwaves. However, the report equally firmly, if virtually unacknowledged, tells us that global warming means “the frequency and intensity of cold extremes have decreased”. This matters, because globally, many more people die from cold than from heat. A new study in the highly respected journal Lancet shows that about half a million people die from heat, but 4.5 million people die from cold. As temperatures have increased over the past two decades, that has caused an extra 116,000 heat deaths each year. This, of course, fits the narrative and is what we have heard over and again. But it turns out that because global warming has also reduced cold waves, we now see 283,000 fewer cold deaths. You don’t hear this, but so far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year. It also mentions climate upsides like the fact that more CO2 in the atmosphere has acted as a fertiliser and created a profound global greening of the planet. One NASA study found that over a period of 35 years, climate change has added an area of green equivalent to two times the size of Australia. But don’t expect to read about this in any of the breathless articles on climate impact. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/climate-change-is-actually-saving-lives/news-story/3e85efcacd10118331de4f92cb6cdfe9 |
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