The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China.

Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia?

The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.

use the top of your screen to enter words.

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/heres-why-us-fighters-and-russian-bombers-keep-squaring-off-near-alaska/

https://news.usni.org/2021/05/26/russian-navy-surveillance-ship-quietly-operating-off-hawaii

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-navy-ships-off-alaska-passed-through-u-s-territorial-waters-1441350488

The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping.

UK is asserting the Irish map , Naoi Líne Dash, of cabhlach éisc na hÉireann, found under the keg stall of clan sliocht Cinnshellagh of Dún Laoghaire.  It defines the red herrings of the Chinese Brotherhood of Irish Jig Fiddlers.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonise China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.

US waters? Why should they tolerate such an invasion? The falsehood China keeps pushing is a vast area of international waters is their territory, a delusion. Sadly the Chinese military and the fool who’s their leader will continue to push their invalid claims in a very provocative manner.
It’s entirely possible the idiocy of China invading Formosa will trigger World War III.

Not that I’m suggesting the US is free of blame in international affairs. The strange thing is they’ve inadvertently admitted their guilt by the way they’re torturing & trying to send Julian Assange insane.

Ka-Ching

https://i.ibb.co/P9jv9Mc/chinese-money-rmb-background-detail-texture.jpg

Looks like the Curries will be joining them soon

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/india-puts-to-sea-its-first-home-built-aircraft-carrier_1

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.

We learnt from Neville Chamberlain's mistake and his piece of paper.


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Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping.

Do you mean like the USA does not own Guantanamo in Cuba but occupies it against the wishes of the owners?

The US lease of Guantanamo gives it a legal claim to possession until both parties cancel the lease.  Like Australia with Manus island, the US claims the prisoners are overseas and not in US territory. China is doing several illegal actions in S China sea.  Threatening Japan with nukes is also not a nice way to talk.

chimera wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 7:51pm:

The US lease of Guantanamo gives it a legal claim to possession until both parties cancel the lease.  Like Australia with Manus island, the US claims the prisoners are overseas and not in US territory. China is doing several illegal actions in S China sea.  Threatening Japan with nukes is also not a nice way to talk.

Wrong. The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo.

Do you have an example?

The UK has an exclusion zone around the Falkland Islands of 370 km radius which is far larger than any exclusion zones imposed by China.

In 1982 the UK extended the exclusion zone to within 12 miles of the coast of Argentina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Exclusion_Zone


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Total Exclusion Zone From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search The Total Exclusion Zone as of 30 April 1982. The Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) was an area declared by the United Kingdom on 30 April 1982 covering a circle of radius 200 nautical miles (370 km; 230 mi) from the centre of the Falkland Islands.[1] During the Falklands War any sea vessel or aircraft from any country entering the zone may have been fired upon without further warning. Description The Maritime Exclusion Zone (MEZ) declared on 12 April 1982[2] covering a circle of radius 200 nautical miles (370 km; 230 mi) from the centre of the Falkland Islands. Any Argentine warship or naval auxiliary entering the MEZ could have been attacked by British nuclear-powered submarines (SSN). On 23 April, in a message that was passed via the Swiss Embassy in Buenos Aires to the Argentine government, the British Government clarified that any Argentine ship or aircraft that was considered to pose a threat to British forces anywhere in the South Atlantic would be attacked: In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.[3] The term civilian aircraft alludes particularly, but not only, to the Boeing 707 of the Argentine Air Force that until then had shadowed the British Task Force on its journey south and had been escorted away on several occasions by Sea Harriers. The Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) was an area declared by the United Kingdom on 30 April 1982. It covered the same area as the MEZ. During the Falklands War any sea vessel or aircraft from any country entering the zone may have been fired upon without further warning. When ARA General Belgrano was sunk on 2 May 1982, it was outside the TEZ. This has led to much debate and controversy over whether the attack was legal. However, exclusion zones are historically declared for the benefit of neutral vessels; during war, under international law, the heading and location of a belligerent naval vessel has no bearing on its status. In addition, the captain of the Belgrano, Héctor Bonzo, has testified that the attack was legitimate[4] (as did the Argentine government in 1994).[5][6][7][8] Interviews conducted by Martin Middlebrook for his book, The Fight for the "Malvinas", indicated that Argentine Naval officers understood the intent of the message was to indicate that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be attacked. Argentine Rear-Admiral Allara who was in charge of the task force of which the Belgrano was a part said, "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".[3] On 7 May 1982, the TEZ was extended to within 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) of the Argentine coast.[9]

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo.

Do you have an example?

chimera wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 9:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:03pm: The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo. Do you have an example?

500 mile radius from Havana. I believe there are probably exclusion zones in the air as well.

https://dnnlgwick.blob.core.windows.net/portals/0/NWCDepartments/Stockton%20Center%20International%20Law/2013-Zones-Manual.pdf?sr=b&si=DNNFileManagerPolicy&sig=sWrSUKeqZaEKhaVvWPx0bCSByt6FQnC6k3YHkszLx9I%3D

The President invoked Articles 6 and 8 of the 1947
Rio Treaty as the legal justification for his actions.28 The Proclamation permitted the Secretary
of Defense to designate, “within a reasonable distance” from Cuba, “prohibited or restricted
zones” and prescribe routes of transit for cleared vessels. The “quarantine” became effective on
24 October, and was enforced by a naval picket line ordered to intercept inbound military
shipments to Cuba from the Soviet Union; the “quarantine interdiction line” included the area
“within a circle with its center at Havana and a radius of 500 nautical miles and […] the area
included within a circle with its center at Cape Maysi (Maisi), located at the eastern tip of the
Island of Cuba, and a radius of 500 nautical miles.”29 (See figure 1 below). Within the
interception area, U.S. forces were authorized to stop, board, inspect, and divert all vessels
suspected or discovered to be shipping prohibited weapons and materiel to Cuba.

The Falklands are legally a British land territory.
So we have a valid lease which Cuba recognised on Cuban land territory.

"The Rio Treaty, which was signed in 1947 and entered into force in 1948, is a collective security pact among 19 of the
35 countries of the Western Hemisphere. The United States ratified the treaty in 1947 after the U.S. Senate provided its
advice and consent. Article 3 of the treaty asserts than "an armed attack by any State against an American State shall be
considered as an attack against all American States," and it calls on each party to the treaty to assist in collective selfdefense. Article 6 of the treaty, which was invoked in this case, empowers states parties to collectively respond to any other "situation that might endanger the peace" of the region".

"Tensions between Beijing and Manila over the South China Sea have risen another notch after the Philippines' Foreign Secretary published an obscene tweet to order Chinese ships to leave the disputed waters.

"China, my friend, how politely can I put it? Let me see.... O.... GET THE bugger OUT," tweeted Teodoro Locsin, who is known for colourful language on social media."What are you doing to our friendship? You. Not us. We're trying. You. You're like an ugly oaf forcing your attentions on a handsome guy who wants to be a friend; not to father a Chinese province ..."

The Foreign Secretary's expletive-riddled language is the latest in an escalating row between the nations over the continued incursion of Chinese coastguard ships and fishing boats into resource-rich waters inside the Philippines' 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). An international tribunal invalidated China's claim to 90 per cent of the South China Sea in 2016, but Beijing has never recognised the ruling and calls it "a sham".

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 6:54am:

The Falklands are legally a British land territory. So we have a valid lease which Cuba recognised on Cuban land territory. "The Rio Treaty, which was signed in 1947 and entered into force in 1948, is a collective security pact among 19 of the 35 countries of the Western Hemisphere. The United States ratified the treaty in 1947 after the U.S. Senate provided its advice and consent. Article 3 of the treaty asserts than "an armed attack by any State against an American State shall be considered as an attack against all American States," and it calls on each party to the treaty to assist in collective selfdefense. Article 6 of the treaty, which was invoked in this case, empowers states parties to collectively respond to any other "situation that might endanger the peace" of the region". "Tensions between Beijing and Manila over the South China Sea have risen another notch after the Philippines' Foreign Secretary published an obscene tweet to order Chinese ships to leave the disputed waters. "China, my friend, how politely can I put it? Let me see.... O.... GET THE bugger OUT," tweeted Teodoro Locsin, who is known for colourful language on social media."What are you doing to our friendship? You. Not us. We're trying. You. You're like an ugly oaf forcing your attentions on a handsome guy who wants to be a friend; not to father a Chinese province ..." The Foreign Secretary's expletive-riddled language is the latest in an escalating row between the nations over the continued incursion of Chinese coastguard ships and fishing boats into resource-rich waters inside the Philippines' 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). An international tribunal invalidated China's claim to 90 per cent of the South China Sea in 2016, but Beijing has never recognised the ruling and calls it "a sham".

The above rant is irrelevant in regard to exclusions zones.

The USA has enacted in law an exclusion zone of 500-mile radius centered on Havana.

The UK has imposed a 500-mile exclusion zone around the Falkland Islands.

So, China was not the first country or the only country to impose exclusion zones.

But probably the first to impose one within another country's EEZ. And impose control over a sea far from its border.  And without legal right to territory.

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:26am:

But probably the first to impose one within another country's EEZ. And impose control over a sea far from its border.  And without legal right to territory.

No. The USA was the first with a 500 mile exclusion zone around Cuba.

"The Rio Treaty, which was signed in 1947 and entered into force in 1948, is a collective security pact among 19 of the
35 countries of the Western Hemisphere.  Article 3 of the treaty asserts than "an armed attack by any State against an American State shall be considered as an attack against all American States," and it calls on each party to the treaty to assist in collective selfdefense. Article 6 of the treaty, which was invoked in this case, empowers states parties to collectively respond to any other "situation that might endanger the peace" of the region".

Cuba was a member 1948-1962.

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 10:35am:

"The Rio Treaty, which was signed in 1947 and entered into force in 1948, is a collective security pact among 19 of the 35 countries of the Western Hemisphere.  Article 3 of the treaty asserts than "an armed attack by any State against an American State shall be considered as an attack against all American States," and it calls on each party to the treaty to assist in collective selfdefense. Article 6 of the treaty, which was invoked in this case, empowers states parties to collectively respond to any other "situation that might endanger the peace" of the region". Cuba was a member 1948-1962.

A fat lot of good the Rio Treaty did Cuba in 1961 when it was invaded by forces from the USA which was a party to the treaty.

1,400 American-trained Cubans attacked Cuba.  They were not a State.
The US exclusion zone was a military limit around its legal lease. The USSR was bringing in weapons from a non-Americas State. That's 2 legal bases for the US zone.

The China zone is in effect a pirate territory, without legal land. The piracy exists in the Himalayas in similarly contested territory. The gathering of varied naval ships in South China sea shows the unity against the piracy.

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 12:35pm:

1,400 American-trained Cubans attacked Cuba.  They were not a State. The US exclusion zone was a military limit around its legal lease. The USSR was bringing in weapons from a non-Americas State. That's 2 legal bases for the US zone. The China zone is in effect a pirate territory, without legal land. The piracy exists in the Himalayas in similarly contested territory. The gathering of varied naval ships in South China sea shows the unity against the piracy.

According to your rules Israel-occupied Palestine is a Israeli pirate territory with exclusion zones which is supported and assisted by the USA.

Well OK if you want to back off from China's policy.
PLO and Hamas are at war with Israel but Philippines just wants to go fishing.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.

Its about Taiwan, which leads to the Philippines, which leads to Japan, etc, etc. Personally, I would not like to see the Communists just walk in unopposed, but I see where your sympathies lie.   

issuevoter wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm: The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space. Its about Taiwan, which leads to the Philippines, which leads to Japan, etc, etc. Personally, I would not like to see the Communists just walk in unopposed, but I see where your sympathies lie.

Taiwan is shagged. It has overpopulated the pimple of land it occupies and will probably experience horrendous effects from climate change including shrinkage and collapse of some of the land it occupies as the sea pummels the island.

The people are looking forward to the shrinkage of the population from negative population growth.

I doubt that China really wants to take over Taiwan other than the land itself as a defence outpost.

'Alright we'll put missile pads over that way next to Taipei.'
'But there's a big population there'.
'No the sea has pummelled them, shrunk and collapsed them and PLA pummels them. They're just a pimple.  They welcome the shrinking to an outpost and being underwater.  It's better that way.'

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 2:49pm:

The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PlKImXxXc

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping.

Britain and USA are not the world.
:)

It only takes one idiot to start a shooting war. Remember the idiot Commander Will Rogers of the USA who shot down an Iranian civil aircraft Iran Air flight 655 killing 290 people.

To add insult to injury the USA even gave this war crime perpetrator, Commander Will Rogers, a medal.

"The July 3, 1988, downing of Iran Air flight 655 by the U.S. Navy remains one of the moments the Iranian government points to in its decades-long distrust of America. They rank it alongside the 1953 CIA-backed coup that toppled its elected prime minister and secured Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi’s absolute power until he abdicated the throne before the 1979 Islamic Revolution."

athos wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 8:20pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm: The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China. Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia? The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PlKImXxXc

Jesus even the guy's hand language is scripted and there are only three emphases.

athos wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 8:23pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 3:17pm: The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping. Britain and USA are not the world. :)

And you are only a sock. ::)

Speed Bump - hit that and your Yellow ass is grass, sonny-boy...

If the CSNSP hit that or any other sovereign nation warship, they will trigger what they think they want...

Wouldn't be the first to make that mistake....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz5NnZ0JaR0

The German war-fleet is being resisted by volunteer off-duty panda-lovers in Shanghai. To protect Chinese fish in Philippines Sea, the activists will resolutely throw back the Nazi mooring-ropes if they try to land. Fish will win!