This is an amassing interview where a well-versed educated scholar ERIC LI explaining China's perspectives and achievements.
Eric Li is right, the Western countries should reform their own institutions to compete with China instead of wasting their energy
and resources on trying to contain China.
This is China's elite, rational, objective, educated and intelligent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bVOq0JXf8

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athos wrote on Aug 13^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

instead of wasting their energy and resources on trying to contain China.

Understood. India should get out of India, as Philippines is doing by getting onto fishing boats and going away, stay far away.

The attempt to culturally assimilate Communist China via bringing it into the family of civilised capitalist nations has failed.

The idea was that by offering China industrialisation, not only would this resolve their problems with  poverty etc, but that it would slyly but gently force the leadership into accepting cultural assimilation with the West since there would be no alternative.

Someone forgot about the 'Taiwan internal problem' and the insolence of office that dictated that any fool with enough balls to push his way to the top considered himself to be an absolute dictator and to now possess the strong right arm of industry with which to enforce his own agenda and to foolishly paint himself into a corner with wild-eyed rhetoric, and would find himself forced to ante up or shut up.... neither of which was really acceptable and both of which carried the very real outcome of total loss.

It's called an OOPS moment - the moment when the wild rhetoric is taken seriously by others and opposition starts to build..... A Speech Too Far...  if Japan interferes with OUR Taiwan solution, we'll bomb the poo out of them worse than the Yanks ever imagined.....OOPS!!!

You can take the boy out of the mud hut, but you can never take the mud hut out of the boy.....

Footnote:-  Bet the Japanese are now regretting giving China licence to build cars etc on their designs ... thinking, as the European nations seem to willing to do with their immigration policies, that this would be easy money and would only generate a tame Chinese workforce and a rich class, who would then be happy to trade instead of warring on anyone ..... win-win!!

They forgot the inherent insanity of the manager type. These are my demands and if you don't like them - I have no others..... OOPS...... ever wonder why so many companies go to the wall?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:12am:

The attempt to culturally assimilate Communist China via bringing it into the family of civilised capitalist nations has failed. The idea was that by offering China industrialisation, not only would this resolve their problems with  poverty etc, but that it would slyly but gently force the leadership into accepting cultural assimilation with the West since there would be no alternative. Someone forgot about the 'Taiwan internal problem' and the insolence of office that dictated that any fool with enough balls to push his way to the top considered himself to be an absolute dictator and to now possess the strong right arm of industry with which to enforce his own agenda and to foolishly paint himself into a corner with wild-eyed rhetoric, and would find himself forced to ante up or shut up.... neither of which was really acceptable and both of which carried the very real outcome of total loss. It's called an OOPS moment - the moment when the wild rhetoric is taken seriously by others and opposition starts to build..... A Speech Too Far...  if Japan interferes with OUR Taiwan solution, we'll bomb the poo out of them worse than the Yanks ever imagined.....OOPS!!! You can take the boy out of the mud hut, but you can never take the mud hut out of the boy..... Footnote:-  Bet the Japanese are now regretting giving China licence to build cars etc on their designs ... thinking, as the European nations seem to willing to do with their immigration policies, that this would be easy money and would only generate a tame Chinese workforce and a rich class, who would then be happy to trade instead of warring on anyone ..... win-win!! They forgot the inherent insanity of the manager type. These are my demands and if you don't like them - I have no others..... OOPS...... ever wonder why so many companies go to the wall?

None of the Grappler rant is relevant. It is just recycled propaganda mixed with arrant nonsense.

The biggest advantages China has are:

1. Government focus and vision to support strategic business sectors;
2. The speed of product development from inception to market; and
3. The web of Chinese supply chains which even the West now relies on.

Despite tariffs and anti-Chinese propaganda, Chinese exports have continued to grow and will grow even more as inflation grips Western economies.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:30am:

It is just recycled propaganda mixed with arrant nonsense.  Chinese exports have continued to grow .

Is that like athos saying the Anglos rule Australia, which should rebel against the English?

Australia has large trading volumes with China so anti-Chinese containment is obviously nonsense.
"China and the U.S. are shipping goods to each other at the briskest pace in years, making the world’s largest bilateral trade relationship look as if the protracted tariff war and pandemic never happened."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-22/u-s-china-goods-trade-booms-as-if-virus-tariffs-never-happened

The actions of tariffs and naval ships are because of China's lawless abuses, which link back to their nonsense of anti-imperial imperialism.

Xi’s rule is isolated, opaque and demands constant reinforcement. Western agencies now have less idea than ever of the detailed negotiations and to-ing and fro-ing within the Chinese government. Its leadership is isolated and surrounded by officials whose only imperative is to please their boss by confirming the rightness of every decision and statement.

Every senior Chinese official now has an audience of only one. In a brilliant new extract in the New York Review of Books, Xu Zhangrun, formerly the professor of jurisprudence at Beijing’s Tsinghua University, writes: “What was already an obnoxious oligarchy has now been replaced by a Chinese version of the Fuhrerprinzip, along with a brutal form of purge politics based on the Leninist-Maoist model.”

Before Xi’s rise, China was a communist dictatorship. But it had term limits, a functioning institutionalism that allowed policies to be contested internally. Now it is a classic one-man dictatorship, and the imperative for every part of the vast Chinese system is to conform to the whims of the leader and, if possible, gain notice by demonstrating hyper-aggression in the service of the leader’s ideology.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/we-need-to-bolster-our-hard-power-to-take-on-beijing/news-story/d54bdd34da23a835e55e34091b2bfb7a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-FLc7Z01Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPk9HSLagVg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIF-ujSeQho

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chimera wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:19pm:

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Big Brother with Chinese Communist characteristics is watching you.

athos wrote on Aug 13^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

This is an amassing interview where a well-versed educated scholar ERIC LI explaining China's perspectives and achievements. Eric Li is right, the Western countries should reform their own institutions to compete with China instead of wasting their energy and resources on trying to contain China. This is China's elite, rational, objective, educated and intelligent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bVOq0JXf8 :)

Eric Li has some good points, but he is being very careful when he talks about the CCP government. For example, he did not explain why China buys US bonds essentially assuming US debt. That undercuts the idea Western Liberalism is faulty. His analysis of Western Dmocracy is not logical. And he does not acknowledge that his 2 generations of progress are underpinned by selling products to the West using very cheap labour. He also hedges the suggestion of state censorship, and they didn't even get into the matter of extra-judicial police action that make the Assange case look like a garden party. He is only partially right about the history of colonialism. No ex-colonies have expunged the influence of Europe. They are all trying there best to establish a European way of life. Like the US declaration of independence, they just change the name on the title deeds.

They may innovate but so far are copying the West as far as can be. Mao's picture hangs on the traditional walled temple. Xi seems to be angry that the old empires are hanging around still and taking his thunder. He needs a more snappy royal outfit.

Dictatorship of Xi Jinping threatens the Chinese state itself

Xi Jinping, the ruler of China, suffers from several internal inconsistencies which greatly reduce the cohesion and effectiveness of his leadership. There is a conflict between his beliefs and his actions and between his public declarations of wanting to make China a superpower and his behaviour as a domestic ruler. These internal contradictions have revealed themselves in the context of the growing conflict between the US and China.

At the heart of this conflict is the reality that the two nations represent systems of governance that are diametrically opposed. The US stands for a democratic, open society in which the role of the government is to protect the freedom of the individual. Mr Xi believes Mao Zedong invented a superior form of organisation, which he is carrying on: a totalitarian closed society in which the individual is subordinated to the one-party state. It is superior, in this view, because it is more disciplined, stronger and therefore bound to prevail in a contest.

Relations between China and the US are rapidly deteriorating and may lead to war. Mr Xi has made clear that he intends to take possession of Taiwan within the next decade, and he is increasing China’s military capacity accordingly.

He also faces an important domestic hurdle in 2022, when he intends to break the established system of succession to remain president for life. He feels that he needs at least another decade to concentrate the power of the one-party state and its military in his own hands. He knows that his plan has many enemies, and he wants to make sure they won’t have the ability to resist him.

It is against this background that the current turmoil in the financial markets is unfolding, catching many people unaware and leaving them confused. The confusion has compounded the turmoil.

Although I am no longer engaged in the financial markets, I used to be an active participant. I have also been actively engaged in China since 1984, when I introduced Communist Party reformers in China to their counterparts in my native Hungary.

They learned a lot from each other, and I followed up by setting up foundations in both countries. That was the beginning of my career in what I call political philanthropy. My foundation in China was unique in being granted near-total independence. I closed it in 1989, after I learned it had come under the control of the Chinese government and just before the Tiananmen Square massacre. I resumed my active involvement in China in 2013 when Mr Xi became the ruler, but this time as an outspoken opponent of what has since become a totalitarian regime.

I consider Mr Xi the most dangerous enemy of open societies in the world. The Chinese people as a whole are among his victims, but domestic political opponents and religious and ethnic minorities suffer from his persecution much more. I find it particularly disturbing that so many Chinese people seem to find his social-credit surveillance system not only tolerable but attractive. It provides them social services free of charge and tells them how to stay out of trouble by not saying anything critical of Mr Xi or his regime. If he could perfect the social-credit system and assure a steadily rising standard of living, his regime would become much more secure. But he is bound to run into difficulties on both counts.

To understand why, some historical background is necessary. Mr Xi came to power in 2013, but he was the beneficiary of the bold reform agenda of his predecessor Deng Xiaoping, who had a very different concept of China’s place in the world. Deng realised that the West was much more developed and China had much to learn from it. Far from being diametrically opposed to the Western-dominated global system, Deng wanted China to rise within it. His approach worked wonders. China was accepted as a member of the World Trade Organisation in 2001 with the privileges that come with the status of a less-developed country. China embarked on a period of unprecedented growth. It even dealt with the global financial crisis of 2007-08 better than the developed world.

Mr Xi failed to understand how Deng achieved his success. He took it as a given and exploited it, but he harboured an intense personal resentment against Deng. He held Deng Xiaoping responsible for not honouring his father, Xi Zhongxun, and for removing the elder Xi from the Politburo in 1962. As a result, Xi Jinping grew up in the countryside in very difficult circumstances. He didn’t receive a proper education, never went abroad, and never learned a foreign language.

Mr Xi is engaged in a systematic campaign to remove or neutralise people who have amassed a fortune. His latest victim is Sun Dawu, a billionaire pig farmer. Mr Sun has been sentenced to 18 years in prison and persuaded to “donate” the bulk of his wealth to charity.

This campaign threatens to destroy the geese that lay the golden eggs. Mr Xi is determined to bring the creators of wealth under the control of the one-party state. He has reintroduced a dual-management structure into large privately owned companies that had largely lapsed during the reform era of Deng. Now private and state-owned companies are being run not only by their management but also a party representative who ranks higher than the company president. This creates a perverse incentive not to innovate but to await instructions from higher authorities.

China’s largest, highly leveraged real-estate company, Evergrande, has recently run into difficulties servicing its debt. The real-estate market, which has been a driver of the economic recovery, is in disarray. The authorities have always been flexible enough to deal with any crisis, but they are losing their flexibility. To illustrate, a state-owned company produced a Covid-19 vaccine, Sinopharm, which has been widely exported all over the world, but its performance is inferior to all other widely marketed vaccines. Sinopharm won’t win any friends for China.

To prevail in 2022, Mr Xi has turned himself into a dictator. Instead of allowing the party to tell him what policies to adopt, he dictates the policies he wants it to follow. State media is now broadcasting a stunning scene in which Mr Xi leads the Standing Committee of the Politburo in slavishly repeating after him an oath of loyalty to the party and to him personally. This must be a humiliating experience, and it is liable to turn against Mr Xi even those who had previously accepted him.

In other words, he has turned them into his own yes-men, abolishing the legacy of Deng’s consensual rule. With Mr Xi there is little room for checks and balances. He will find it difficult to adjust his policies to a changing reality, because he rules by intimidation. His underlings are afraid to tell him how reality has changed for fear of triggering his anger. This dynamic endangers the future of China’s one-party state.

George Soros is founder of the Open Society Foundations.

The Wall Street Journal

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/dictatorship-of-xi-jinping-threatens-the-chinese-state-itself/news-story/3db7aae92b40feb5169ffbcc9321a2cf


China, you are screwed.   Fuhrerprinzip does that.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:30am:

3. The web of Chinese supply chains which even the West now relies on. Despite tariffs and anti-Chinese propaganda, Chinese exports have continued to grow and will grow even more as inflation grips Western economies.

Oh yes, we absolutely "rely on" cheap t shirts and sneakers. When the next famine comes I dont know what we will feed our 25 million people on without your cheap t shirts and sneakers. While 1.5 billion Chinese will have all the cheap t shirts and sneakers they can eat  if they stop selling them to us. We are fked.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:30am:

None of the Grappler rant is relevant. It is just recycled propaganda mixed with arrant nonsense. The biggest advantages China has are: 1. Government focus and vision to support strategic business sectors; 2. The speed of product development from inception to market; and 3. The web of Chinese supply chains which even the West now relies on. Despite tariffs and anti-Chinese propaganda, Chinese exports have continued to grow and will grow even more as inflation grips Western economies.

Regardless of LTYC rants -

None of this will last one second in the real world...

Why would anyone imagine that I personally, would accept any 'recycled propaganda', rather than speaking from what I know and what I have learned and have deduced?

Obviously not you, dickhead.

Do you actually have one genuine self-generated thought in your head?

Or are you just accepting recycled propaganda?  From whom and for what purpose, dickhead?

Meteoric Rise of China fully explained...

Theft, lies, coercion and cover-ups.

Enter the idiot Musk with his Tesla into China under the Chinese regime (not that he wasn't warned).

So, what happened?

1. 'Random' woman shows up at a Shanghai international auto show. She jumps on the Tesla Model 3 shouting, 'Tesla Brakes Failed!'. She's wearing a T-shirt which in Chinese reads 'Brake Failure'.

2. Another woman dressed in the same T-shirt also shouts 'Tesla Brakes Failed!', indicating that this was an organized, pre-arranged 'protest'.

3. The the regime-controlled media, Xinhua, jumped on the story (as did People’s Daily) claiming Tesla was being arrogant (Chinese fixation with 'arrogance' and 'unintelligence' seems to be a widespread self-projection in mainland China).

4. The regime's 'Central Political and Legal Affairs Committee' got involved, whose business is usually oppression and murder of people and groups the regime fears or dislikes.

5. Turns out the 'protester' at the auto show had been supplied a media pass (as the show was only open to approved media personnel). She was driven to the exhibition and given a media pass from Webasto, a sunroof supplier of NIO, one of the main Chinese electric car makers. She stupidly (unintelligence?) had posted the details on her TikTok account.

Tesla's sales are dramatically dropping in China under the regime.

As Musk was warned: The regime will steal the technology, then shut you out of the Chinese market and destroy the Tesla company in China...

So don't say you weren't warned, Musk.

https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/4/30/three-things-the-ccp-wants-from-tesla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqS6OfMQd4&t=1s

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:30am:

The biggest advantages China has are: 1. Government focus and vision to support strategic business sectors; 2. The speed of product development from inception to market; and 3. The web of Chinese supply chains which even the West now relies on. Despite tariffs and anti-Chinese propaganda, Chinese exports have continued to grow and will grow even more as inflation grips Western economies.

1. Supporting business sectors requires bribes of up to 30% of the investment capital paid to regime officials.
2. Due to the loss of profit from bribes and the requirement for 'speed at all costs', manufacturers simply and massively cut corners (explains why 'tofu buildings' are a thing under the regime).
3. Chinese supply chains will soon be gone, not least as a result of the regime's actions making it happen.

So, who is 'Wilson Edwards' - the 'Swiss biologist'?

And who is 'Laurene Beaumond' - the 'French journalist'?

And then, those 'white monkeys' they hired to sell fake COVID TCM pills?

Who's 'Richard from England' speaking English in a thick Russian accent?

Who's Dr Galli? Who's the de Rucci man?

Find out more on 'General Stupidity'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed1xOylQBu0

chimera wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:19pm:

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What a liberal conspiracy crap.
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athos wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 11:09am:

chimera wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 12:19pm: (Please note: These attachments activate your pc camera.  Learn with a good appearance of your face, any disapproval will be recorded). ??????????????????????????????????? What a liberal conspiracy crap. :)

Ahh... So Athole is a bot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr75blwvIHo
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 11:11am:

athos wrote on Aug 15th, 2021 at 11:09am: chimera wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 12:19pm: (Please note: These attachments activate your pc camera.  Learn with a good appearance of your face, any disapproval will be recorded). ??????????????????????????????????? What a liberal conspiracy crap. :) Ahh... So Athole is a bot...

Ahh... So North is a bot who works for the dole.
;D

"China's facial recognition system logs nearly every single citizen in the country, with a vast network of cameras across the country. A database leak in 2019 gave a glimpse of how pervasive China's surveillance tools are -- with more than 6.8 million records from a single day, taken from cameras positioned around hotels, parks, tourism spots and mosques, logging details on people as young as 9 days old. "

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4

The program is due to be fully operational by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people already. The scheme is mandatory.

At the moment the system is piecemeal – some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.

Like private credit scores, a person’s social score can move up and down depending on their behaviour. The exact methodology is a secret – but examples infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.