https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--Fn-epMJo--/f_auto,t_primary-image-desktop@2/v1620389448/20210503edbbc-a.jpg

Yep.

But they don't care - they're not smart enough to care.

Usually I'd agree 100%, but with Covid and particularly Delta, the vaccine provides personal protection but still allows the vaccinated to spread it

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

https://ifunny.co/picture/please-stop-saying-you-researched-it-you-didn-t-research-59jie9ok7

The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have.

Chodes - lives of pure garbage.

We need to study him.

5 years minimum.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:01pm:

The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have.

yes.

It is the best we have.
masks are good, washing hands is good, personal distance is good.

The vaccines are useless that's why there are all these excuses.

Like climate change when something didn't turn out they make up all sorts of excuses.

People are running to get the jab thinking it will stop lock downs, it wont.

As long as we have covid there will be lock downs.

Unless they can produce a real vaccine and not a flu jab like the current crop.

Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?

Well yes and or vaccination.

But we already have herd immunity.

Statistics show that 80% of unvaccinated people who catch covid-19 will experience from no symptoms at all to a very mild cold.

You dont hear that on main stream media, guess their not allowed to say it.

Instead they have become sales reps for big pharma.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?

No it's this :D LOL

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Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:01pm:

The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have.

bobby,

They are NOT vaccines.


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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

------ >


Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease.


Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.


Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.



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And sprint, the OP.

Shame on you for promoting such a characterisation - of [many] people who simply want the natural right to make their own informed choice.


i.e.
sprint,

If you are vaccinated, i assume, that you did so, you CHOSE TO DO SO,
in order to be 'protected' by YOUR immunisation with your 'vaccine' ?


sprint,

A point of logic [i.e. your own ! ]......
1/ IF YOU ARE NOW VACCINATED, THEN YOU ARE 'PROTECTED'.
....YOU ARE AFFORDED THE PROTECTION WHICH YOUR COVID VACCINATION, ERR.... AFFORDS.

2/ IF I AM NOT VACCINATED, THEN BY YOUR LOGIC,
THE ONLY PERSON I CAN 'INJURE' IS MYSELF,
AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO UN-VACCINATED, WHOM I MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH.

Is that logic correct sprint ?

That is what you believe [i think].



sprint,

Why won't you allow me, to believe what i believe ?

What do i believe ?

I [and many other people] believe that the COVID 'vaccines' cannot be a vaccine.
[see the definitions, above]

Because, they, the COVID 'vaccines', clearly DO NOT AFFORD PROTECTION TO MANY PEOPLE [WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED].

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?

No.

sprint posted this IMAGE, in the OP......



IMAGE.....
https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--Fn-epMJo--/f_auto,t_primary-image-desktop@2/v1620389448/20210503edbbc-a.jpg



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In reply, i post this CNN, sourced, and published information,
along with my questions, below.


n.b.
The MSM refer to COVID transmission     THROUGH FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE,     as 'a breakthrough infection'.




Quote:

8:00 p.m. ET, August 5, 2021 Fully vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, CDC director says From CNN's Lauren Mascarenhas ...... CDC provided data last week that showed how fully vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection can carry essentially that same amount of virus as an unvaccinated person, allowing them to transmit the virus just like an unvaccinated person can. That is why the CDC is recommending even vaccinated people wear masks indoors again, Walensky said.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-05-21/h_d2accec79fdc37f422d02c536828ea1e



A QUESTION OF LOGIC;
How can people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, transmit COVID to others ???

My understanding was, that      THE WHOLE PURPOSE,     of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual,
and thereby      eliminate the possibility     of transmission of the COVID virus to others ???

What am i missing ?


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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

------ >


Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease.


Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.


Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

Breakthrough infections aren't related to herd immunity

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 8:32am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17th, 2021 at 11:23pm: Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus? No.

Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers.

No.


Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you     immunise     a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Dear John,

How can we achieve 'Herd immunity' ???

WE CANNOT ACHIEVE HERD IMMUNITY !!   ...without 'vaccines'    which are TRULY effective     against the COVID virus !


And it is apparent, that the CURRENT treatments against the COVID virus, which are being described as 'vaccines',
ARE NOT 'vaccines'.

And these 'treatments' cannot help us to achieve 'Herd immunity'....
...BECAUSE, THESE TREATMENTS [BEING CALLED 'VACCINES'], DO NOT WORK, AS DESCRIBED,
i.e. AS A TRUE VACCINE WOULD WORK !!


WWW search....
CDC study shows    74%    of people infected in latest Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated




A REAL VACCINE WOULD AFFORD PROTECTION
FROM THE COVID VIRUS !

But it is apparent to us all,        that Pfizer and other 'products' being used in the U.S. atm, do not afford consistent protection
from the COVID virus !


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A QUESTION OF LOGIC;
How is it possible that people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, can transmit COVID to others ???

My understanding was, that      THE WHOLE PURPOSE,     of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual,
and thereby      eliminate the possibility     of transmission of the COVID virus to others ???

What am i missing ?


.



From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

------ >


Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease.


Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.


Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 12:36am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.

Not really

Yadda wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 4:11pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you     immunise     a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Dear John, How can we achieve 'Herd immunity' ??? WE CANNOT ACHIEVE HERD IMMUNITY !!   ...without 'vaccines'    which are TRULY effective     against the COVID virus ! And it is apparent, that the CURRENT treatments against the COVID virus, which are being described as 'vaccines', ARE NOT 'vaccines'. And these 'treatments' cannot help us to achieve 'Herd immunity'.... ...BECAUSE, THESE TREATMENTS [BEING CALLED 'VACCINES'], DO NOT WORK, AS DESCRIBED, i.e. AS A TRUE VACCINE WOULD WORK !! WWW search.... CDC study shows    74%    of people infected in latest Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated A REAL VACCINE WOULD AFFORD PROTECTION FROM THE COVID VIRUS ! But it is apparent to us all,        that Pfizer and other 'products' being used in the U.S. atm, do not afford consistent protection from the COVID virus ! . A QUESTION OF LOGIC; How is it possible that people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, can transmit COVID to others ??? My understanding was, that      THE WHOLE PURPOSE,     of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual, and thereby      eliminate the possibility     of transmission of the COVID virus to others ??? What am i missing ? . From the Oxford Dictionary..... vaccinate immunise immune ------ > Dictionary; vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease. Dictionary; immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation. Dictionary; immune = = 1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells. 2 not susceptible.

Dear Yadda, Only some people experience breakthrough infections. Thus the rest who are vaccinated yet not experiencing we would asume to be immunised.

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:40am: Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading. I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit. Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it.

As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:50am: Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:40am: Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading. I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit. Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it. As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 9:19am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:50am: Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:40am: Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading. I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit. Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it. As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself. But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue.

I suspect the noise true antivaxxers make is much higher than their actual number.

I also think the end of lockdown should be given a hard date and you either get vaxxed or stockpile food and hide in your house forever or accept the consequences of getting covid unvaccinated.

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:35am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 9:20am: Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 9:19am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:50am: Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 8:40am: Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading. I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit. Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it. As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself. But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue. I suspect the noise true antivaxxers make is much higher than their actual number. I also think the end of lockdown should be given a hard date and you either get vaxxed or stockpile food and hide in your house forever or accept the consequences of getting covid unvaccinated.

I think we are getting to that point. Especially as we are finally getting enough vaccine supply. Unlike what some people on here are suggesting, I don't think anyone was after a permannent lockdown.

I am fully vaccinated.
If you are not, do NOT watch this, it will make you shuddering vaccine-hesitant (unless you are woke/pc/mr garrison, in which case you'll love it, m'kay,  proving that you have enough problems already)


https://twitter.com/BennyDRAMA7/status/1424834745079193600?s=20

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 12:36am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.

Quote:

Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 1:48pm:

I am fully vaccinated. If you are not, do NOT watch this, it will make you shuddering vaccine-hesitant (unless you are woke/pc/mr garrison, in which case you'll love it, m'kay,  proving that you have enough problems already) https://twitter.com/BennyDRAMA7/status/1424834745079193600?s=20

WATCH, to confirm why America in 2021, is 'cracked' [i.e. swirling down a cosmic toilet bowl]
whether under the Biden WH, OR whether NOT under the Biden WH !


Very, very sad, and sick.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 3:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 12:36am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response. Quote: Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers.

Your response left out the key bit about reducing transmission, so no it wasnt the same

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/53/d2/f153d2ce2f18b22ebcd1836205a3509a.jpg

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 3:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 12:36am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response. Quote: Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers. Your response left out the key bit about reducing transmission, so no it wasnt the same

Was the implication, that herd immunity would lead to fewer cases in the community, not understood of your reading my post?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:24pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 5:41pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 3:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 12:36am: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response. Quote: Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers. Your response left out the key bit about reducing transmission, so no it wasnt the same Was the implication, that herd immunity would lead to fewer cases in the community, not understood of your reading my post?

NO it wasnt stated as such. It still doesnt match the definition no matter what you say

It very much does match your definition. Therefore, if I am wrong, so are you.