The AMA reckons WA will need to stay locked down until vaccination rates reach 90% because their hospital system is so under resourced.

If 90 is never reached does that mean WA will never open?

*shrugs*

Can't say I really care, probably the same as most West Australians.

Oh..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/wa-covid-reopening-delay-likely-mcgowan-national-cabinet/100420504


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Treasurer Josh Frydenberg yesterday warned it was becoming ever more apparent "you cannot eliminate COVID"

BS... no Covid running around loose here in WA as far as we're aware.


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Prime Minister Scott Morrison said it was inevitable the Delta strain would come to WA and, when it did, it would move quickly.

Really? I'm sure you'd love to see that happen, wouldn't you? Same as your 'puppet' Gladys who's turned New South Wales into a disaster area probably would.


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"People think borders protect people from COVID," Mr Morrison told Perth radio station 6PR.

Yes they could. Trouble is, its your incompetence due to not having proper quarantine facilities set up for these endless "returned travellers" and handballing the responsibility for quarantine to the States with their 'not fit for purpose' city hotels that's caused all this mess in the first place.


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In an indirect message to Mr McGowan, the Prime Minister said WA would eventually have to face the choice between staying closed to the rest of the world or living with the virus. He said there would need to be a "gear change". "You've got to be able to live with the virus at some point," Mr Morrison said.

We'll stay closed, thanks very much. And, the only thing we need to change is the Federal government which will hopefully happen next May. Or earlier with any luck.

Our health system is in a terrible mess.

My mother was rushed to hospital (RPH) in an ambulance twice last week, and both times it took over 4 hours before she was seen to - by anyone.

And, my father's nursing home is operating at about 50% of its normal staffing numbers.

I try to go in most days and help out with lunch just to give the nurses and carers a hand.

And don't get me started on Fiona Stanley Hospital - it's impossible to get a parking spot there, even for the staff, and their staffing levels are probably at about 60%.

It's a mess.

When Delta hits, we're gonna suffer real bad.

You voted for him.

rhino wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 6:49pm:

You voted for him.

For his party, yes.

And I'm glad I did.  Not a single regret.

Can you imagine what the place would be like if that work experience kid from the corrupt Liberal Party was Premier?

But yes, I'm proud to say I voted for McGowan's Labor Party but I'm not silly enough to deny the fact that he has failed miserably with our hospitals.

First thing he should do is get rid of our useless health minister.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 6:55pm:

but I'm not silly enough to deny the fact that he has failed miserably with our hospitals.

the problems with the WA health system are long term. They will never be fixed in one term by any government

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 6:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 6:55pm: but I'm not silly enough to deny the fact that he has failed miserably with our hospitals. the problems with the WA health system are long term. They will never be fixed in one term by any government

No, but he didn't even make an attempt.

He took his eye off the ball.

And the lies from the health minister are just unacceptable.

most health systems are trying to offer too much,

people over 80 require 10 x as much hospitalisation as people under 70.

and the number of people over 80 is going to quadruple in the next 15 years.

there is no hope of maintaining the ultra expensive, medicare gold experience in the future.

hospital spending is up 9 % year on year for the last decade but number of beds per head of population is down as more and more expensive technology and expensive drugs and expensive prosthesis are added.

so something has to give and it will probably be an inability to deal with end of life care.

hospitals will always have to look after kids and people injured in motor accidents and pregnant women.

but they will have to ration care to the elderly.

probably this will start with an order that nursing home patients cannot be treated in public hospitals.

covid could actually bring this on a bit early.

a really big outbreak of delta could see it impossible to move a patient from a nursing home to a public hospital.

if, for instance shepparton hospital is on 1/2 staff due to doctors and nurses being in quarantine and if the hospital is already full and then you add in covid, it would not be possible totransfer a patient from aged care if they developed an acute illness and they would not be able to be moved outside the area due to lockdowns.

either way, the days of everyone having access to an acute bed will probably go.

both thru delta and thru demographics and thru the economy suffering.

you cant have a healthy hospital system without a healthy economy and there is no cash to invest in new capacity when the feds are a trillion in debt and states are spending a fortune on testing , police, and are seeing revenues plummet

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:11pm:

but they will have to ration care to the elderly.

they can start with you

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:11pm: but they will have to ration care to the elderly. they can start with you

not a problem.

i would not want an acute bed to go to me if there was a young person who also required it.
i have had a good healthy life and lingering with ill health is not really a prospect i would want, whereas a young person may still have decades of great health after they are treated

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:11pm:

hospitals will always have to look after kids and people injured in motor accidents and pregnant women.

Perth hospital staff missed opportunities to help girl who died of infection, investigation finds

Aishwarya was taken to the $1.2bn hospital with a fever and triaged by a nurse – who did not check her vital signs – in the second-least urgent category.

“The lack of a comprehensive triage, including a limited primary assessment of the patient … contributed in a delay in medical intervention,” the report found.

When assessed soon afterwards by another nurse – referred to as RN1 – her temperature of 38.8C did not prompt a sepsis investigation.

RN1 was then called to help with resuscitation of another patient, leaving one nurse – already covering for a colleague who had gone home sick – to watch over eight waiting room cubicles for half an hour as Aishwarya continued to deteriorate.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:11pm: hospitals will always have to look after kids and people injured in motor accidents and pregnant women. Perth hospital staff missed opportunities to help girl who died of infection, investigation finds Aishwarya was taken to the $1.2bn hospital with a fever and triaged by a nurse – who did not check her vital signs – in the second-least urgent category. “The lack of a comprehensive triage, including a limited primary assessment of the patient … contributed in a delay in medical intervention,” the report found. When assessed soon afterwards by another nurse – referred to as RN1 – her temperature of 38.8C did not prompt a sepsis investigation. RN1 was then called to help with resuscitation of another patient, leaving one nurse – already covering for a colleague who had gone home sick – to watch over eight waiting room cubicles for half an hour as Aishwarya continued to deteriorate.

tragic.

they are obviously not concentrating resources on the most important cases.

one wonders how many unhealthy obese diabetics and smokers were clogging up the system and occupying staff to the point this child was ignored

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:11pm: hospitals will always have to look after kids and people injured in motor accidents and pregnant women. Perth hospital staff missed opportunities to help girl who died of infection, investigation finds Aishwarya was taken to the $1.2bn hospital with a fever and triaged by a nurse – who did not check her vital signs – in the second-least urgent category. “The lack of a comprehensive triage, including a limited primary assessment of the patient … contributed in a delay in medical intervention,” the report found. When assessed soon afterwards by another nurse – referred to as RN1 – her temperature of 38.8C did not prompt a sepsis investigation. RN1 was then called to help with resuscitation of another patient, leaving one nurse – already covering for a colleague who had gone home sick – to watch over eight waiting room cubicles for half an hour as Aishwarya continued to deteriorate. tragic. they are obviously not concentrating resources on the most important cases. one wonders how many unhealthy obese diabetics and smokers were clogging up the system and occupying staff to the point this child was ignored

Not many (if any) long-term smokers.

"Perth Children's Hospital (PCH) is Western Australia’s specialist paediatric hospital and trauma centre, providing medical care to children and adolescents 15 years of age or under."

Interestingly, when you go to their website this is the first thing you see:

"We are currently experiencing a very high number of Emergency Department patient presentations and long waiting times.

"Here's some information on when you should bring your child to the PCH Emergency Department or take them elsewhere."

Mark is a great Premier, but he buggered up bad with the hospitals.

He needs to fix this FAST!

The blokes been in 4 years.
That's more than enough time to fix systemic issues and if new hospitals are required, to at least have the plans well in the pipeline.

Gordon wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

The blokes been in 4 years. That's more than enough time to fix systemic issues and if new hospitals are required, to at least have the plans well in the pipeline.

We have plenty of new hospitals.

Wonderful and shiny, with lots of machines that go "ping".

We don't have the staff to work in them - that's the main problem.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 7:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 7:11pm: hospitals will always have to look after kids and people injured in motor accidents and pregnant women. Perth hospital staff missed opportunities to help girl who died of infection, investigation finds Aishwarya was taken to the $1.2bn hospital with a fever and triaged by a nurse – who did not check her vital signs – in the second-least urgent category. “The lack of a comprehensive triage, including a limited primary assessment of the patient … contributed in a delay in medical intervention,” the report found. When assessed soon afterwards by another nurse – referred to as RN1 – her temperature of 38.8C did not prompt a sepsis investigation. RN1 was then called to help with resuscitation of another patient, leaving one nurse – already covering for a colleague who had gone home sick – to watch over eight waiting room cubicles for half an hour as Aishwarya continued to deteriorate. tragic. they are obviously not concentrating resources on the most important cases. one wonders how many unhealthy obese diabetics and smokers were clogging up the system and occupying staff to the point this child was ignored

I've been to the local children's ER 4 bloody times in the last year and the care is gold standard, so was the care at the outpatients clinics for follow-ups.

I also accompanied an old relly for an appointment to an outpatients clinic and we actually went past the diabetes clinic, and the smell of necrotising.flesh hits you before you see all the obese people in lard carts with black feet. 

Why is Perth's brand new children's hospital putting this as the greeting message on their webpage?

"We are currently experiencing a very high number of Emergency Department patient presentations and long waiting times."

"Here's some information on when you should bring your child to the PCH Emergency Department or take them elsewhere."

We don't have Covid.

It's not school holidays.

It's winter (and quite wet) - so kids aren't out on their bikes etc. as much.

So why the hell are kids being turned away?

I heard the end of a radio interview on ABC today, didn't catch who it was but they were talking about the WA health system again, and how it's so badly resourced it can barely do a decent vaccine rollout. WA will be locked down forever if they don't get their schyte together.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/covid-vaccine-rates-state-by-state/100410718 

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:20pm:

I heard the end of a radio interview on ABC today, didn't catch who it was but they were talking about the WA health system again, and how it's so badly resourced it can barely do a decent vaccine rollout. WA will be locked down forever if they don't get their schyte together. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/covid-vaccine-rates-state-by-state/100410718

No problem with the vaccine roll-out.

It's very efficient, and nobody seems to have any trouble getting booked in.

The trouble is complaceny.

Life in Perth is normal - we have no restrictions.

No lock-downs, no masks, nothing.

I know it's hard for people from the east to understand, but we're just not affected here.

However, that's all gonna change a week or two after the grand final.

Delta is coming, and it's coming real soon.

And when it hits, our hospitals won't be able to cope.

They can't cope now.

I just went to Perth Children's Hospital website and they've still got this greeting up:

"We are currently experiencing a very high number of Emergency Department patient presentations and long waiting times.

"Here's some information on when you should bring your child to the PCH Emergency Department or take them elsewhere."

Why?  WTF is going on?

At least the kids bridge is now open, it's always nice to have a fun distraction while your child is dying due to lack of medical care.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:20pm: I heard the end of a radio interview on ABC today, didn't catch who it was but they were talking about the WA health system again, and how it's so badly resourced it can barely do a decent vaccine rollout. WA will be locked down forever if they don't get their schyte together. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/covid-vaccine-rates-state-by-state/100410718  No problem with the vaccine roll-out. It's very efficient, and nobody seems to have any trouble getting booked in. The trouble is complaceny. Life in Perth is normal - we have no restrictions. No lock-downs, no masks, nothing. I know it's hard for people from the east to understand, but we're just not affected here. However, that's all gonna change a week or two after the grand final. Delta is coming, and it's coming real soon. And when it hits, our hospitals won't be able to cope. They can't cope now. I just went to Perth Children's Hospital website and they've still got this greeting up: "We are currently experiencing a very high number of Emergency Department patient presentations and long waiting times. "Here's some information on when you should bring your child to the PCH Emergency Department or take them elsewhere." Why?  WTF is going on?

You have been complacent fccwitz, that's what's going on, turd. Insular, parochial, complacent fccwitz.

Frank wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:32pm: Gordon wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:20pm: I heard the end of a radio interview on ABC today, didn't catch who it was but they were talking about the WA health system again, and how it's so badly resourced it can barely do a decent vaccine rollout. WA will be locked down forever if they don't get their schyte together. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/covid-vaccine-rates-state-by-state/100410718  No problem with the vaccine roll-out. It's very efficient, and nobody seems to have any trouble getting booked in. The trouble is complaceny. Life in Perth is normal - we have no restrictions. No lock-downs, no masks, nothing. I know it's hard for people from the east to understand, but we're just not affected here. However, that's all gonna change a week or two after the grand final. Delta is coming, and it's coming real soon. And when it hits, our hospitals won't be able to cope. They can't cope now. I just went to Perth Children's Hospital website and they've still got this greeting up: "We are currently experiencing a very high number of Emergency Department patient presentations and long waiting times. "Here's some information on when you should bring your child to the PCH Emergency Department or take them elsewhere." Why?  WTF is going on? You have been complacent fccwitz, that's what's going on, turd. Insular, parochial, complacent fccwitz.

Not me.

I've had two shots of Polish Pfizer.

I check in with the QR code everywhere I go.

I wash my hand 30 times a day.

I catch Ubers to work in order to avoid crowded buses.

But yes, most other Perth residents are extremely complacent, and that will be our downfall.

Have you had the jab, Frank?  I'm curious.

The problem is, the vaccine rollout there has no pressure. How will it cope with an outbreak?

NSW is doing 100k a day, and that's just at the Govt hubs, then there's all the McMedical centers that are packed as well.

Gordon wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:52pm:

The problem is, the vaccine rollout there has no pressure. How will it cope with an outbreak?

It won't.

It's gonna be messy when Delta rolls into town.

Fears over WA's COVID-19 readiness as grim hospital statistics revealed


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*Emergency doctors say they're struggling to keep up with demand *The WA government says COVID-19 is to blame for the situation *Critics say the government is not doing enough to fix the problem

How can COVID-19 be blamed when we don't have any at the moment?

As Greg says - its gonna be messy when Delta rolls into town.