So this guy says, makes sense though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJajkK2PuMg

rhino wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:04am:

So this guy says, makes sense though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJajkK2PuMg

Hes  a chiropractor, so without watching the video, I'd take what he says with not just a grain of salt, but a 20kg bag of salt.

Interesting. Seems a possible factor along with the usual ones.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:11am:

rhino wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 10:04am: So this guy says, makes sense though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJajkK2PuMg Hes  a chiropractor, so without watching the video, I'd take what he says with not just a grain of salt, but a 20kg bag of salt.

Not really, he has been curing people of diabetes and other illnesses through diet change for over 10 years.  And have a look at the comments from people he has cured of various illnesses .  Very smart man, this is not your Aquascoot type of guru, this guy actually knows his stuff and backs it with science. And hes also right about B1 in infants

Quote:

Thiamine deficiency--a neglected problem of infants and mothers--possible relationships to sudden infant death syndrome

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3866557/

NB, watch the bloody video before you comment.

rhino wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 10:11am: rhino wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 10:04am: So this guy says, makes sense though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJajkK2PuMg Hes  a chiropractor, so without watching the video, I'd take what he says with not just a grain of salt, but a 20kg bag of salt. Not really, he has been curing people of diabetes and other illnesses through diet change for over 10 years.  And have a look at the comments from people he has cured of various illnesses .  Very smart man, this is not your Aquascoot type of guru, this guy actually knows his stuff and backs it with science. And hes also right about B1 in infants Quote: Thiamine deficiency--a neglected problem of infants and mothers--possible relationships to sudden infant death syndrome https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3866557/ NB, watch the bloody video before you comment.

I remember reading somewhere about SIDS that its actually massively overreported in the US because coroners didn't want to tell  parents they'd accidentally smothered their babies

I have been watching Dr Berg's videos for the last 2 years. He has been doing me some good with his advice. I would be 15kg heavier if not for him.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:00pm:

I have been watching Dr Berg's videos for the last 2 years. He has been doing me some good with his advice. I would be 15kg heavier if not for him.

So thats where you got that apple cider vinegar BS from

Its not BS, its just not a substitute for a proper diet and exercise as some people including unsubRocky would like to think.

Every last person I've met who've mentioned they have sleep apnea look like walking bags of schit, obese and over consume alcohol.  Another lifestyle illness.

Gordon wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:37pm:

Every last person I've met who've mentioned they have sleep apnea look like walking bags of schit, obese and over consume alcohol.  Another lifestyle illness.

yep, living on carbs and sugar. I worked with a few people like that, very tempramental if they dont get their carb fix on time and straight into the booze after work. And you are exactly right, having worked night shifts with them and listened to them in their sleep a lot of them did have sleep apnea.

rhino wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:37pm: Every last person I've met who've mentioned they have sleep apnea look like walking bags of schit, obese and over consume alcohol.  Another lifestyle illness. yep, living on carbs and sugar. I worked with a few people like that, very tempramental if they dont get their carb fix on time and straight into the booze after work. And you are exactly right, having worked night shifts with them and listened to them in their sleep a lot of them did have sleep apnea.

The main source of my carbs are from oats or pulses, no sugar or booze. It takes about 3 months to retrain your gut flora but then you get no false hunger cravings.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:00pm: I have been watching Dr Berg's videos for the last 2 years. He has been doing me some good with his advice. I would be 15kg heavier if not for him. So thats where you got that apple cider vinegar BS from

Given that you claim to be fit, I do not know how my urging you to try apple cider vinegar for yourself would make any benefit. But, having drunk diluted apple cider vinegar in the hour before bed, I sleep so much better through the night. I cannot see how a drink like that would be harmful to the body if you drink the right ratio of acv to water.

rhino wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:24pm:

Its not BS, its just not a substitute for a proper diet and exercise as some people including unsubRocky would like to think.

It is a great way to cut down alcohol cravings.

I didnt see any reference to Apple Cider Vinegar in the video, where did that come from?

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 7:04am:

I didnt see any reference to Apple Cider Vinegar in the video, where did that come from?

I looked at the guys video list, its the usual collection of woo.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 1:46am:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:15pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:00pm: I have been watching Dr Berg's videos for the last 2 years. He has been doing me some good with his advice. I would be 15kg heavier if not for him. So thats where you got that apple cider vinegar BS from Given that you claim to be fit, I do not know how my urging you to try apple cider vinegar for yourself would make any benefit. But, having drunk diluted apple cider vinegar in the hour before bed, I sleep so much better through the night. I cannot see how a drink like that would be harmful to the body if you drink the right ratio of acv to water.

NOt harmful, but not beneficial.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:08am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 1:46am: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:15pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 13th, 2021 at 5:00pm: I have been watching Dr Berg's videos for the last 2 years. He has been doing me some good with his advice. I would be 15kg heavier if not for him. So thats where you got that apple cider vinegar BS from Given that you claim to be fit, I do not know how my urging you to try apple cider vinegar for yourself would make any benefit. But, having drunk diluted apple cider vinegar in the hour before bed, I sleep so much better through the night. I cannot see how a drink like that would be harmful to the body if you drink the right ratio of acv to water. NOt harmful, but not beneficial.

It has some effect on blood sugar and for weight loss, but nowhere near enough to be a get out of jail card for people doing the wrong thing.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:08am:

NOt harmful, but not beneficial.

If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance.

or stop eating refined carbs.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:08am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 7:04am: I didnt see any reference to Apple Cider Vinegar in the video, where did that come from? I looked at the guys video list, its the usual collection of woo.

Analyse some of his "woo" instead of dismissing it out of hand without even knowing what it is about. Guys cured a lot of people with his "woo".

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance.

ACV should be the cherry on the cake.
Stop eating the cake.

Gordon wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:32am:

It has some effect on blood sugar and for weight loss, but nowhere near enough to be a get out of jail card for people doing the wrong thing.

Initially, the use of apple cider vinegar for me was an alternative to using lemon juice to cure my common cold. But having not had a serious cold for about 4 years, I looked online to find out what kind of health benefits acv has for the body. Because the acv does help with righting the insulin sensitivity, it improves conditions for those with type 2 diabetes. The weight comes off faster.

Sleep apnea for me is a condition where I would get 10 minutes of sleep before I would wake up from snoring. It took a matter of realising that I would roll over in the night onto my side or front before I figured that I was supposed to be falling asleep that way.

The other problem being that if I had something to eat that had a moderate glycemic index or greater, falling asleep was not a problem. But getting an effective sleep was a problem. The body would have to kick in its own way of countering the hyperinsulinemia, unless I popped a metformin before falling asleep.

Thanks to Gordon and his suggestion of "rucking" that I managed to overcome some weight issues and sleep better. The added resistance training has helped me lose the weight quicker. But it takes not eating any junk food to really undo sleep apnea.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:39pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance. or stop eating refined carbs.

You and Gordon have both said that same thing. You two are both right. But once I ween myself off of junk food, there is nothing wrong with continuing having apple cider vinegar to improve insulin sensitivity.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 4:09pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:41pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:39pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance. or stop eating refined carbs. You and Gordon have both said that same thing. You two are both right. But once I ween myself off of junk food, there is nothing wrong with continuing having apple cider vinegar to improve insulin sensitivity.

Sure.  It's been used for centuries.

I'd be rinsing my mouth out with water afterwards, though.

I don't think ACV would be too good for your teeth.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 4:09pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:41pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:39pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance. or stop eating refined carbs. You and Gordon have both said that same thing. You two are both right. But once I ween myself off of junk food, there is nothing wrong with continuing having apple cider vinegar to improve insulin sensitivity.

I always have a laugh when I hear terminology like "wean yourself off junk food", never going to happen mate, you either eat sh1t or you dont. Junk food does not appear miraculously in your fridge and cupboard, you need to first make the decision to go and buy it, then you have to buy it, then you have to eat it, these are all pre planned decisions. Heres the thing, if you dont eat all those refined carbs your insulin sensitivity automatically improves, if thats your sole reason for consuming ACV then you are completely wasting your time on the wrong track and I dont think you are understanding Dr Berg very well on this subject.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 4:44pm:

Sure.  It's been used for centuries. I'd be rinsing my mouth out with water afterwards, though. I don't think ACV would be too good for your teeth.

Why bother using acv for a mouthwash? Use baking soda. Just use a little amount and hold the baking soda in your mouth until it melts in your mouth. Then you swish it around your mouth for 2 minutes and expel. I do this before I have a shower in pre-work preparation. So, I guess 4 times a week -- haha!

You can rinse your mouth out, then brush with your usual toothpaste. As it is not only just an effective teeth cleaner, baking soda is an effective breath freshener. For someone like myself with bad breath, the usual use of baking soda very much ended my bad breath. You just do not want to be holding baking soda in your mouth for longer than 5 minutes as it will damage your mouth.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

I always have a laugh when I hear terminology like "wean yourself off junk food", never going to happen mate, you either eat sh1t or you dont. Junk food does not appear miraculously in your fridge and cupboard, you need to first make the decision to go and buy it, then you have to buy it, then you have to eat it, these are all pre planned decisions. Heres the thing, if you dont eat all those refined carbs your insulin sensitivity automatically improves, if thats your sole reason for consuming ACV then you are completely wasting your time on the wrong track and I dont think you are understanding Dr Berg very well on this subject.

You can laugh all you want. But when was the last time you went a week without consuming something that others consider junk food? Even if I had some kind of epiphany and just ditched any fast food outlet of any kind, there is always going to be something in my fridge that someone will consider junk food. The only deal I have to make with myself is to go sober and avoid anything junk food and high sugar content.

Certainly, if I spent my last 25 years not eating any junk food, I would probably be 25kg lighter, have a different personality, and not be posting to ozpolitic.com. But, -- get ready to laugh your arse off -- junk food is still a form of food. And it is not like I am eating junk food 3 times a day, 7 days a week. Probably once or twice a week at most. It is not like junk food cannot be metabolised to the point that I am having a KFC bowel movement.

Give it a moment to sink in that I am not suggesting drinking acv as an excuse to go out and eat and drink more rubbish food and drink. You drink apple cider vinegar with water to help improve your sleep through reducing blood glucose levels.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance.

I'd actually just advise a healthy diet and exercise to increase insulin sensitivity first.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Sure.  It's been used for centuries. I'd be rinsing my mouth out with water afterwards, though. I don't think ACV would be too good for your teeth. Why bother using acv for a mouthwash?

Um, I think you misunderstood me.

I'm saying that after you've had ACV, you should then rinse your mouth out with ordinary water (from the tap).

ACV can't be good for your teeth, so washing out your mouth with just ordinary water afterwards will hopefully rinse off most of the acid from your teeth.

I would never advocate using ACV as a mouthwash - that's just asking for cavities, or at the very least extremely sensitive teeth.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 5:49pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 5:05pm: I always have a laugh when I hear terminology like "wean yourself off junk food", never going to happen mate, you either eat sh1t or you dont. Junk food does not appear miraculously in your fridge and cupboard, you need to first make the decision to go and buy it, then you have to buy it, then you have to eat it, these are all pre planned decisions. Heres the thing, if you dont eat all those refined carbs your insulin sensitivity automatically improves, if thats your sole reason for consuming ACV then you are completely wasting your time on the wrong track and I dont think you are understanding Dr Berg very well on this subject. You can laugh all you want. But when was the last time you went a week without consuming something that others consider junk food?

I dont eat junk food, never ever. The closest I get to it is chips with my salad and ribs about once a month.


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Even if I had some kind of epiphany and just ditched any fast food outlet of any kind, there is always going to be something in my fridge that someone will consider junk food. The only deal I have to make with myself is to go sober and avoid anything junk food and high sugar content. Certainly, if I spent my last 25 years not eating any junk food, I would probably be 25kg lighter, have a different personality, and not be posting to ozpolitic.com. But, -- get ready to laugh your arse off -- junk food is still a form of food. And it is not like I am eating junk food 3 times a day, 7 days a week. Probably once or twice a week at most. It is not like junk food cannot be metabolised to the point that I am having a KFC bowel movement. Give it a moment to sink in that I am not suggesting drinking acv as an excuse to go out and eat and drink more rubbish food and drink. You drink apple cider vinegar with water to help improve your sleep through reducing blood glucose levels.

You know why I laugh? Because of the absolute sh1t you just posted. If what you were doing was working then you wouldnt have diabetes. Not eating reduces blood glucose levels. You think your remote ancestors ate 6 meals a day and then ACV to balance it out somehow?

Why do lazy people always try and make out everyone else is as lazy as them?

The junk food/fast food thing amazes me.

I know people who brag about not eating much fast food at all: "Maybe once or twice a week, maximum".

Holy crap!

At the absolute most, I might have fast food once or twice a year.

Maybe KFC once a year with my dear old Dad, coz he loves that poo and I get it for him on his birthday, and maybe one burger from Hungry Jack's a year after a boozy night with a mate who works up north in the mines.

That's it.

And even then I feel bad.  Physically sick, actually, after one of those fast food burgers.

But there are people who think nothing of having a Big Mac every day for lunch - with fries!

Every day!  FFS!

And still they say: "That's not much - it's not like I'm eating it twice a day or anything".

It really saddens me that poison like Macca's and HJ's has become "normal" food.

The 3 biggest money spinners for the pharmaceutical industry are cholesterol medication, blood pressure meds and diabetes meds. All 100 percent diet and lifestyle related except for Diabetes type 1. What aggravates me is the strain put on medical resources by these obese gluttons. The stupidity behind it is that the cholesterol meds have been shown to have no benefit and actually may decrease lifespan, people have high blood pressure because they dont exercise and are on cr2p diets and diabetes type 2 is prescribed insulin which makes the illness chronic. No wonder a lot of people dont trust medical practitioners, most of what they tell us is absolute BS.

The way GPs push anti-cholesterol medication is almost criminal.

Lipitor is a poo drug with horrible side-effects, and does nothing positive for 99% of the people who take it.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

The 3 biggest money spinners for the pharmaceutical industry are cholesterol medication, blood pressure meds and diabetes meds. All 100 percent diet and lifestyle related except for Diabetes type 1. What aggravates me is the strain put on medical resources by these obese gluttons. The stupidity behind it is that the cholesterol meds have been shown to have no benefit and actually may decrease lifespan, people have high blood pressure because they dont exercise and are on cr2p diets and diabetes type 2 is prescribed insulin which makes the illness chronic. No wonder a lot of people dont trust medical practitioners, most of what they tell us is absolute BS.

I went to my local McMedical centre yesterday to get my kids immunisation record sorted out, and saw about 5 morbidly obese people with swollen bandaged dying legs.
Give them a year or so and they'll be an amputee in a lard cart, in 5 years, a double amputee. One was near enough that I caught the pong of dying flesh.
All self-inflicted.

On statins, yeah I read there is a very small group of people who really need them, all the people on them for lifestyle issues shouldn't be.
 

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 6:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 5:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Sure.  It's been used for centuries. I'd be rinsing my mouth out with water afterwards, though. I don't think ACV would be too good for your teeth. Why bother using acv for a mouthwash? Um, I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that after you've had ACV, you should then rinse your mouth out with ordinary water (from the tap). ACV can't be good for your teeth, so washing out your mouth with just ordinary water afterwards will hopefully rinse off most of the acid from your teeth. I would never advocate using ACV as a mouthwash - that's just asking for cavities, or at the very least extremely sensitive teeth.

I think I did misunderstand you. I did not suggest that you should not brush your teeth sometime after having a glass of diluted acv. You might as well have another half glass of water after having the acv. Brushing your teeth should be the last thing you do before you go to bed.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 5:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:39pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance. I'd actually just advise a healthy diet and exercise to increase insulin sensitivity first.

And for those people that are obese through poor diet and poor exercise but want to increase their insulin sensitivity, they should not use acv to help with correcting the problem? I mean, in terms of a performance enhancer, acv could be the drink that helps motivate someone to exercise more.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 6:46pm:

I dont eat junk food, never ever. The closest I get to it is chips with my salad and ribs about once a month.

You don't eat junk food, never have. But then you go to say that you have chips with ribs once a month. I was going to say that I would find it highly unlikely that anyone would avoid junk food throughout their life. But perhaps you meant in the last 20 or 30 years you had an obsession with eating healthy and only consider side orders of chips a technicality to a healthy meal. So, you have not a clue what burgers, fried chicken, Maccas, soft drink, ice cream, pie and alcohol taste like?


rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 6:46pm:

You know why I laugh? Because of the absolute sh1t you just posted. If what you were doing was working then you wouldnt have diabetes. Not eating reduces blood glucose levels. You think your remote ancestors ate 6 meals a day and then ACV to balance it out somehow?

I did not touch apple cider vinegar until about 4 years after being diagnosed with diabetes. Like I said, the discovery of the benefits of acv was not until I was using it as an alternative to using lime or lemon juice. If you can help promote your digestion and increase the insulin sensitivity, you will get better sleep. Better sleep, the more energy you have by the next day. You lose the weight and then sleep better. And then this goes on and on until you reach near optimal health and fitness levels.

By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 6:49pm:

Why do lazy people always try and make out everyone else is as lazy as them?

I do not claim that other people are as lazy as me. I do claim that other people should not belittle my own advice just because I do have lazy weeks.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

The junk food/fast food thing amazes me. I know people who brag about not eating much fast food at all: "Maybe once or twice a week, maximum". Holy crap!

We had a fast food outlet open up across the road from where I went to high school. Our senior years were rife with accusations of sneaking out of the school yard to get some fast food from the 'restaurant'. The restaurant had to put a ban on school children being served between 9am and 3pm on a school day.

And then university was pretty bad for the cafeteria hosting decent meals, but at high prices. You could either have a $12 meal and drink. Or you could hold out and ride down to Maccas for a $5 burger fries and drink meal. The bad eating habits very much start in high school. But, as long as you keep moving around, the weight does come off. Because 90% of your meals are usually nutritious.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day.

Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 10:57pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm: By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day. Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin.

So, it is bullshit that 3 years of proper diet and exercise can lead type 2 diabetics to be free of diabetes?

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:55pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 5:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 3:39pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 9:08am: NOt harmful, but not beneficial. If you knew someone with type 2 diabetes, you could recommend acv to them to help them undo insulin resistance. I'd actually just advise a healthy diet and exercise to increase insulin sensitivity first. And for those people that are obese through poor diet and poor exercise but want to increase their insulin sensitivity, they should not use acv to help with correcting the problem? I mean, in terms of a performance enhancer, acv could be the drink that helps motivate someone to exercise more.

No, they should change their diet and exercise.


Seriously how smacking hard is it.

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 10:57pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm: By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day. Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin.

To be pedantic, type 1 diabetes mellitus is due to no insulin. Type 2 Diabetes mellitus is due to poor receptor response to insulin.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:57pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm: By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day. Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin. To be pedantic, type 1 diabetes mellitus is due to no insulin. Type 2 Diabetes mellitus is due to poor receptor response to insulin.

In this context , type 2. And yes, poor receptor response because of too much insulin. My point is valid, less refine carbs wont spike insulin as much.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 11:07pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:57pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm: By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day. Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin. So, it is bullshit that 3 years of proper diet and exercise can lead type 2 diabetics to be free of diabetes?

Low carb diet typically reverses type 2 diabetes within 3 months, some people are reporting being cured in a few weeks.

rhino wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 9:51am:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: rhino wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:57pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm: By the way, it takes up to three years before you can be free of diabetes, if you do a proper diet and exercise every day. Bullsh1t. Diabetes is a disease of high insulin, it starts to reverse as soon as you lower your insulin. To be pedantic, type 1 diabetes mellitus is due to no insulin. Type 2 Diabetes mellitus is due to poor receptor response to insulin. In this context , type 2. And yes, poor receptor response because of too much insulin. My point is valid, less refine carbs wont spike insulin as much.

Again not necessarily too much insulin. Free fatty acids interfere with insulin signalling, but your point still stands about carbs.


We both agree, just being a bit pedantic. Your point stands about diet.

Want to increase insulin sensitivity? Diet and exercise first. Drinking ACV is a lazy way to go about the problem.

rhino wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 9:55am:

Low carb diet typically reverses type 2 diabetes within 3 months, some people are reporting being cured in a few weeks.

That would have meant that my very healthy diet and exercise regime of 10 months back in 2014/2015 would have meant that I was not diabetic. I lost a lot of weight. But I was still diabetic. I would trust my doctor's advice over yours.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 10:58am:

Want to increase insulin sensitivity? Diet and exercise first. Drinking ACV is a lazy way to go about the problem.

Do all three. Diet well. Train hard. Go to bed an hour after drinking acv. A fourth way to have better sleep. Spend the first few minutes holding your breath for a minute. Recover and then keep repeating that until you feel drowsy enough to sleep. Better night's rest. Your circulation improves for a more restful night.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 2:53pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 9:55am: Low carb diet typically reverses type 2 diabetes within 3 months, some people are reporting being cured in a few weeks. That would have meant that my very healthy diet and exercise regime of 10 months back in 2014/2015 would have meant that I was not diabetic. I lost a lot of weight. But I was still diabetic. I would trust my doctor's advice over yours.

Bullsh1t. You are completely ignorant of what constitutes a healthy diet, you have been eating the wrong foods all along. You have never had a healthy diet otherwise you wouldnt have diabetes you fool. diabetes type 2 can be cured in weeks, stay stupid, you are the one with the disease.  ;) keep doing what you are doing. ;D

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 8:43am:

No, they should change their diet and exercise. Seriously how smacking hard is it.

You need to trigger something to get into shape. In your case, fat-shaming. Either yourself or someone else. And because I have seen you fat-shame yourself into getting into shape, you know it works. For me, it was the thought of becoming that fat old guy who no longer looked 25 years old. I don't want to Bragg about it, but some acv inside a big glass of water is a real boost for the next day. And a trigger to keep doing the healthier diets. Elevated exercise intensity comes later.

rhino wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 2:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 2:53pm: rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 9:55am: Low carb diet typically reverses type 2 diabetes within 3 months, some people are reporting being cured in a few weeks. That would have meant that my very healthy diet and exercise regime of 10 months back in 2014/2015 would have meant that I was not diabetic. I lost a lot of weight. But I was still diabetic. I would trust my doctor's advice over yours. Bullsh1t. You are completely ignorant of what constitutes a healthy diet, you have been eating the wrong foods all along. You have never had a healthy diet otherwise you wouldnt have diabetes you fool. diabetes type 2 can be cured in weeks, stay stupid, you are the one with the disease.  ;) keep doing what you are doing. ;D

See John? rhino's doing his drill instructor thing to fat shame me. Last night's grocery shopping was near completely healthy. Perhaps only the fruit juice being the unhealthy option. But I bet that is preferable to the refrigerated Coca Cola bottles I take with me to the cinema.

Well, seeing that you think diabetes can be cured in weeks, a month long health commitment should see me off medication by November. But, I doubt that. It took 20 years for me to become diabetic. I doubt it gets cured inside a few weeks.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:06pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 8:43am: No, they should change their diet and exercise. Seriously how smacking hard is it. You need to trigger something to get into shape. In your case, fat-shaming. Either yourself or someone else. And because I have seen you fat-shame yourself into getting into shape, you know it works. For me, it was the thought of becoming that fat old guy who no longer looked 25 years old. I don't want to Bragg about it, but some acv inside a big glass of water is a real boost for the next day. And a trigger to keep doing the healthier diets. Elevated exercise intensity comes later.

Elevated exercise should be first.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:29pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 3:06pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 8:43am: No, they should change their diet and exercise. Seriously how smacking hard is it. You need to trigger something to get into shape. In your case, fat-shaming. Either yourself or someone else. And because I have seen you fat-shame yourself into getting into shape, you know it works. For me, it was the thought of becoming that fat old guy who no longer looked 25 years old. I don't want to Bragg about it, but some acv inside a big glass of water is a real boost for the next day. And a trigger to keep doing the healthier diets. Elevated exercise intensity comes later. Elevated exercise should be first.

Not straight away. Improved diet first. Let the body adjust to better nutrition. Mild exercise. Then the elevated intensity for the exercise comes into fruition. Fat Alberts that hit the gym and benchpress a lot or go out and run 5km in their first week of trying to turn things around will only do themselves injuries and possibly give up too soon.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 2:53pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 9:55am: Low carb diet typically reverses type 2 diabetes within 3 months, some people are reporting being cured in a few weeks. That would have meant that my very healthy diet and exercise regime of 10 months back in 2014/2015 would have meant that I was not diabetic. I lost a lot of weight. But I was still diabetic. I would trust my doctor's advice over yours.

did you limit your KFC to twice a week?

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 3:29pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 3:06pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 8:43am: No, they should change their diet and exercise. Seriously how smacking hard is it. You need to trigger something to get into shape. In your case, fat-shaming. Either yourself or someone else. And because I have seen you fat-shame yourself into getting into shape, you know it works. For me, it was the thought of becoming that fat old guy who no longer looked 25 years old. I don't want to Bragg about it, but some acv inside a big glass of water is a real boost for the next day. And a trigger to keep doing the healthier diets. Elevated exercise intensity comes later. Elevated exercise should be first. Not straight away. Improved diet first. Let the body adjust to better nutrition. Mild exercise. Then the elevated intensity for the exercise comes into fruition. Fat Alberts that hit the gym and benchpress a lot or go out and run 5km in their first week of trying to turn things around will only do themselves injuries and possibly give up too soon.

;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 3:29pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 3:06pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 8:43am: No, they should change their diet and exercise. Seriously how smacking hard is it. You need to trigger something to get into shape. In your case, fat-shaming. Either yourself or someone else. And because I have seen you fat-shame yourself into getting into shape, you know it works. For me, it was the thought of becoming that fat old guy who no longer looked 25 years old. I don't want to Bragg about it, but some acv inside a big glass of water is a real boost for the next day. And a trigger to keep doing the healthier diets. Elevated exercise intensity comes later. Elevated exercise should be first. Not straight away. Improved diet first. Let the body adjust to better nutrition. Mild exercise. Then the elevated intensity for the exercise comes into fruition. Fat Alberts that hit the gym and benchpress a lot or go out and run 5km in their first week of trying to turn things around will only do themselves injuries and possibly give up too soon.

Sure, but the ramp up should be a few months, not years ;)

20 years so far, longest run up in history.

John Smith wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

did you limit your KFC to twice a week?

KFC sent out a missing person report when I had not shown up in over a month. The police just do a quick drive around to see if I am home or out walking in the suburb. And the neighbours get concerned if they do not hear snoring from my place at 9am. When they did not see me get in my car to go to work for a week, the lady had to knock on my front door to make sure I was not dead.

rhino wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 4:14pm:

20 years so far, longest run up in history.

Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise.

Gordon wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 3:57pm:

Sure, but the ramp up should be a few months, not years ;)

Back when I was 130kg and decided enough was enough, I cut out all the alcohol, all the sugar, all the junkfood. I took to walking 4km a night every night. Inside 2 weeks, I had lost 5kg. Very much easy to do since there was a lot of weight to lose. The jogging began after that. I could jog my 125kg as far as I could and then walk the rest. If I started running the entire route at 130kg, or even 125kg, I would do some damage with injuries that would have to lead me to hold off exercise for weeks.

I ran with a 25kg backpack for 100 metres until I found it ill-advisable. Walked the remaining 5km. Home I went and got stuck into some apple cider vinegar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnyQjL_NpY

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 4:34pm:

Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks?

Yep. But you wont.

Quote:

Because the doctors will tell you otherwise.

Nope.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 4:34pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:14pm: 20 years so far, longest run up in history. Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise.

So becuase you don't see quick effects why bother?

rhino wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Yep. But you wont.

I have done 10 months of low-carb/low-sugar, no alcohol and plenty of exercise in 2015. I can do it again.


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Because the doctors will tell you otherwise.

rhino
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Nope.

I will be quite willing for my doctor to compare blood test results with my previous result, when I go for a test in October. And seeing that Tuesday was my restart of that low-carb/low-sugar, no alcohol and (continuation) of plenty of exercise, I will see how correct you are by the 28th of September.

I have been fasting since 3pm. Only a couple of bananas and coffee that has been fueling me since then. Crumbed fish and vegetables for dinner tonight. Will see how I sleep tonight after a 7.5km walk.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 4:56pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:14pm: 20 years so far, longest run up in history. Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise. So becuase you don't see quick effects why bother?

I made the argument, based on my doctor's advice, that type 2 diabetes can be cured in about 3 years. I actually did ask my doctor if I could be off medication inside 6 months if I ate healthy and exercised regularly. She scoffed and said that my health would be much improved, but it would take around 3 years to be completely free of diabetes.

You can only lose about 2kg per week at most for the greatest rate of healthy weightloss. I would not expect anyone, other than very obese people to lose more than 15 kg of excess weight inside 2 months. You may improve your insulin sensitivity in that time. But, you are not going to cure yourself of diabetes in 2 months.

I would be willing to guess that a year of dedicated healthy living would have a diabetic go back to prediabetes levels. But they would need another 2 years of healthy living to be free of diabetes (and not need medication).

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:55pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:56pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:14pm: 20 years so far, longest run up in history. Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise. So becuase you don't see quick effects why bother? I made the argument, based on my doctor's advice, that type 2 diabetes can be cured in about 3 years. I actually did ask my doctor if I could be off medication inside 6 months if I ate healthy and exercised regularly. She scoffed ...

You realise that your doctor has a vested (i.e. financial) interest in keeping you on medications, don't you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16th, 2021 at 7:55pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:56pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:14pm: 20 years so far, longest run up in history. Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise. So becuase you don't see quick effects why bother? I made the argument, based on my doctor's advice, that type 2 diabetes can be cured in about 3 years. I actually did ask my doctor if I could be off medication inside 6 months if I ate healthy and exercised regularly. She scoffed ... You realise that your doctor has a vested (i.e. financial) interest in keeping you on medications, don't you?

The doctors have a line up of people that need greater attention than some 42 year old with diabetes. I have to go to the doctors every 6 months to renew a prescription for diabetes medication. That costs me $27.50 per visit. $55 a year. I would not see a doctor ever again in relation to diabetes if I did not drink alcohol. So, that "vested interest" would be null and void if I did the right thing 10 years ago and went sober.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16th, 2021 at 7:58pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16th, 2021 at 7:55pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:56pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:14pm: 20 years so far, longest run up in history. Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Because the doctors will tell you otherwise. So becuase you don't see quick effects why bother? I made the argument, based on my doctor's advice, that type 2 diabetes can be cured in about 3 years. I actually did ask my doctor if I could be off medication inside 6 months if I ate healthy and exercised regularly. She scoffed ... You realise that your doctor has a vested (i.e. financial) interest in keeping you on medications, don't you? The doctors have a line up of people that need greater attention than some 42 year old with diabetes. I have to go to the doctors every 6 months to renew a prescription for diabetes medication. That costs me $27.50 per visit. $55 a year. I would not see a doctor ever again in relation to diabetes if I did not drink alcohol. So, that "vested interest" would be null and void if I did the right thing 10 years ago and went sober.

I'm not criticising you.

I'm genuinely concerned for your health, and genuinely hope you can get all the problems sorted out.

I just want you to be aware that the more prescriptions a doctor writes the better it is for them.

Even if it's only once a year for one individual.

Every little bit adds up.

They might not be doing it for your benefit.

The computers on their desks, the expensive dinners on a Friday night, the weekend trips to Singapore, the new Audi in the driveway - these are all paid for by pharmaceutical companies.

I have a close friend who is a heart surgeon, and he's been offered close to a million dollars in incentives over the years.

This includes incentives from companies who manufacture stents.

Trust your doctor - sure.  But not 100%.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:44pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:54pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm: Bad diet started around 15 years of age. Got worse in adulthood. Other than a few healthy years in my early 20s, the diets have been modest to poor. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can undo, say 10 years of prediabetes and 7 years of diabetes in a few weeks? Yep. But you wont. I have done 10 months of low-carb/low-sugar, no alcohol and plenty of exercise in 2015. I can do it again. Quote: Because the doctors will tell you otherwise. rhino[quote]Nope.

I will be quite willing for my doctor to compare blood test results with my previous result, when I go for a test in October. And seeing that Tuesday was my restart of that low-carb/low-sugar, no alcohol and (continuation) of plenty of exercise, I will see how correct you are by the 28th of September.

I have been fasting since 3pm. Only a couple of bananas and coffee that has been fueling me since then. Crumbed fish and vegetables for dinner tonight. Will see how I sleep tonight after a 7.5km walk.
[/quote]Thats not low carb. You claim to know everything but you
cant identify which foods contain carbohydrates.

Bananas are on the high carbohydrates list. But they are a nutritious and beneficial food. And I did not claim to know everything. But, I do know now that you think anything high carb is automatically bad.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 8:25pm:

I'm not criticising you. I'm genuinely concerned for your health, and genuinely hope you can get all the problems sorted out. I just want you to be aware that the more prescriptions a doctor writes the better it is for them. Even if it's only once a year for one individual. Every little bit adds up. They might not be doing it for your benefit. The computers on their desks, the expensive dinners on a Friday night, the weekend trips to Singapore, the new Audi in the driveway - these are all paid for by pharmaceutical companies. I have a close friend who is a heart surgeon, and he's been offered close to a million dollars in incentives over the years. This includes incentives from companies who manufacture stents. Trust your doctor - sure.  But not 100%.

I do not mind criticism. But, as long as you are being constructive with your criticism, there is no problem. Having grown up in a household where my mother is/was a registered nurse, I really should be better prepared for a healthier lifestyle than most people. However, life happens... and you can fall behind.

What I want to make sure you understand is that doctors have no shortage of patients. How often do you show up to a hospital for whatever reason and you see a waiting room with standing room only? Hospitals have no shortage of patients. And neither do GPs.

Even though I have no medical background, I have had enough research on the topic of health and nutrition to not have a single excuse for any considerable health problem. It only comes with the more involved research on endocrinology that I would have to learn. And seeing that John Dillermand did give a real direction in what I should understand in terms of insulin sensitivity, I have begun the journey in countering whatever problems I have developed regarding my diabetes.

My doctors have told me to get my blood sugars under control. My main doctor gave me a few pointers on what I should have to eat and drink. If it comes to a point that my doctor is telling me what to do in terms of my health that is contrary to other doctors or general health guidelines, then there will be the problem. Not me spending $6 a month on diabetic medication.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 10:40pm:

Bananas are on the high carbohydrates list. But they are a nutritious and beneficial food. And I did not claim to know everything. But, I do know now that you think anything high carb is automatically bad.

You are an idiot. You have diabetes. Its not me that thinks your carbs are bad, its your  diabetes. I have zero sympathy, you will die early, probably after getting a couple of limbs chopped off first, thats what normally happens. I have zero sympathy because you negate and denigrate any real information and advice you are given.

The Obesity Evidence Hub reported recently that more than 70 per cent of Australians in regional and remote areas are overweight or obese. Almost half of all Australian men aged 65-74 years are obese. Excess adiposity brings with it a swathe of other health problems including high blood pressure, diabetes and sleep apnoea. Crucially then if you are an elderly and obese Covid-19 patient you will be far more likely to need hospitalisation and mechanical ventilation in intensive care.

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:48am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16th, 2021 at 10:40pm: Bananas are on the high carbohydrates list. But they are a nutritious and beneficial food. And I did not claim to know everything. But, I do know now that you think anything high carb is automatically bad. You are an idiot. You have diabetes. Its not me that thinks your carbs are bad, its your  diabetes. I have zero sympathy, you will die early, probably after getting a couple of limbs chopped off first, thats what normally happens. I have zero sympathy because you negate and denigrate any real information and advice you are given.

If you are trying to encourage me to cash in my free visit to the diabetes nutritionist, it is working. But I bet he/she will tell me much about bananas that many others have said: "Bananas are a safe and nutritious fruit for people with diabetes to eat in moderation as part of a balanced, individualized diet plan. A person with diabetes should include fresh, plant food options in the diet, such as fruits and vegetables. Bananas provide plenty of nutrition without adding many calories."

And as for my diabetes, if it was as bad as you think, I would have a lot more trouble with my digestion and my ability to lose weight. Yesterday's relative fasting during the afternoon was only broken by a steak dinner. And yet here I am after 7 hours sleep and feeling thinner than I was at the start of the day yesterday.

I bet by age 80, my limbs will be staying with me intact and very functional. Whereas you will probably have a smoking-related heart attack by age 70.

Frank, you do not see many obese 65 to 74-year-old men in Australia. Even my father lost a lot of weight in his 60s. But I doubt that he will be around for any longer than 10 years from now.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

Frank, you do not see many obese 65 to 74-year-old men in Australia. Even my father lost a lot of weight in his 60s. But I doubt that he will be around for any longer than 10 years from now.

Serious?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/overweight-and-obesity

41% of adults aged 65-74 are obese. Compared  16% of 18-24

I was going to put my comments into context. But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range, I can accept that 41% of Australian men aged between 65 and 74 would be obese.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range,

Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 2:47pm: But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range, Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either.

For my height, I only need to be 79kg to be considered overweight. And then I have to be 94kg to be the bottom end of obese. And even if I maintain a strong healthy muscle mass at 94kg, I am still going to be considered obese.

A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese. Their muscle density would be likely lower than someone my age.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 2:55pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 2:47pm: But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range, Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either. For my height, I only need to be 79kg to be considered overweight. And then I have to be 94kg to be the bottom end of obese. And even if I maintain a strong healthy muscle mass at 94kg, I am still going to be considered obese. A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese. Their muscle density would be likely lower than someone my age.

So never heard of the BMI?

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

So never heard of the BMI?

I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:49pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:15pm: So never heard of the BMI? I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.

And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they?

Gordon wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:37pm:

Every last person I've met who've mentioned they have sleep apnea look like walking bags of schit, obese and over consume alcohol.  Another lifestyle illness.

Yeah....same here 😳

They've all been very overweight.

It's just terrible 🥺😔

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:49pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:15pm: So never heard of the BMI? I am basing my calculations off BMI scales. And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they?

Specifically focussing on the males aged between 65 and 74, we would not know whether being 12kg over a healthy weight range would put someone in an obese category. And I did mention that I had to be 79kg to be considered overweight for my height. And I would have to add 15kg to that figure to be considered obese.

Meanwhile, most guys aged between 65 and 74 years of age are usually between 170 to 180cm tall. Someone 170cm tall and weighing 12kg above their healthy weight range would just creep under the obese level. Same again for someone 180cm tall and 92kg. So, all you are doing is criticising my guesswork based on being off by a couple of kilograms.

Are you some boxing official to which pedantic measures of weight is strictly adhered? You probably need more sleep. Have some apple cider vinegar before bedtime.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:27pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 8:48am: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16th, 2021 at 10:40pm: Bananas are on the high carbohydrates list. But they are a nutritious and beneficial food. And I did not claim to know everything. But, I do know now that you think anything high carb is automatically bad. You are an idiot. You have diabetes. Its not me that thinks your carbs are bad, its your  diabetes. I have zero sympathy, you will die early, probably after getting a couple of limbs chopped off first, thats what normally happens. I have zero sympathy because you negate and denigrate any real information and advice you are given. If you are trying to encourage me to cash in my free visit to the diabetes nutritionist, it is working. But I bet he/she will tell me much about bananas that many others have said: "Bananas are a safe and nutritious fruit for people with diabetes to eat in moderation as part of a balanced, individualized diet plan. A person with diabetes should include fresh, plant food options in the diet, such as fruits and vegetables. Bananas provide plenty of nutrition without adding many calories." And as for my diabetes, if it was as bad as you think, I would have a lot more trouble with my digestion and my ability to lose weight. Yesterday's relative fasting during the afternoon was only broken by a steak dinner. And yet here I am after 7 hours sleep and feeling thinner than I was at the start of the day yesterday. I bet by age 80, my limbs will be staying with me intact and very functional. Whereas you will probably have a smoking-related heart attack by age 70.

You won t live to 80, diabetics dont.  As far as smoking, you really think I exercise for 2 hours every day and light up a fag afterwards? You idiot.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:50pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:49pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:15pm: So never heard of the BMI? I am basing my calculations off BMI scales. And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they? Specifically focussing on the males aged between 65 and 74, we would not know whether being 12kg over a healthy weight range would put someone in an obese category. And I did mention that I had to be 79kg to be considered overweight for my height. And I would have to add 15kg to that figure to be considered obese. Meanwhile, most guys aged between 65 and 74 years of age are usually between 170 to 180cm tall. Someone 170cm tall and weighing 12kg above their healthy weight range would just creep under the obese level. Same again for someone 180cm tall and 92kg. So, all you are doing is criticising my guesswork based on being off by a couple of kilograms. Are you some boxing official to which pedantic measures of weight is strictly adhered? You probably need more sleep. Have some apple cider vinegar before bedtime.

Lol, you idiot.

You just seem irritable to the point where you have some nicotine addiction. Or a recent ex-smoker. And I doubt that you do 2 hours of physical exercise everyday. That is, outside of a physically demanding job.

You doubt everything and learn nothing, thats your M.O. Thats why you are an idiot. Not sure where you are getting irritable from, Im calling it how I see it.

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

You doubt everything and learn nothing, thats your M.O. Thats why you are an idiot. Not sure where you are getting irritable from, Im calling it how I see it.

Frank wrote about how 70 percent of elderly men in Australia are *obese*. I claimed that there are not too many obese people over the age of 65. And when you see that health problems for obese people can skyrocket after the age of 30, I cannot imagine a 90kg 65-year-old living much beyond that age. Not idiotic at all.

How close do you live near elderly people that 70% of people their age group are obese?

What is your story, anyway? You think I won't be able to live until I am 80 and will have limbs chopped off. But, you can claim that obese 65-year-olds will outlive me?

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:50pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:49pm: John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 3:15pm: So never heard of the BMI? I am basing my calculations off BMI scales. And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they? Specifically focussing on the males aged between 65 and 74, we would not know whether being 12kg over a healthy weight range would put someone in an obese category. And I did mention that I had to be 79kg to be considered overweight for my height. And I would have to add 15kg to that figure to be considered obese. Meanwhile, most guys aged between 65 and 74 years of age are usually between 170 to 180cm tall. Someone 170cm tall and weighing 12kg above their healthy weight range would just creep under the obese level. Same again for someone 180cm tall and 92kg. So, all you are doing is criticising my guesswork based on being off by a couple of kilograms. Are you some boxing official to which pedantic measures of weight is strictly adhered? You probably need more sleep. Have some apple cider vinegar before bedtime.

Don't forget to rinse afterwards.

https://youtu.be/Eg_7Fp6Wvn0?t=43

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 4:48pm: You doubt everything and learn nothing, thats your M.O. Thats why you are an idiot. Not sure where you are getting irritable from, Im calling it how I see it. Frank wrote about how 70 percent of elderly men in Australia are *obese*. I claimed that there are not too many obese people over the age of 65. And when you see that health problems for obese people can skyrocket after the age of 30, I cannot imagine a 90kg 65-year-old living much beyond that age. Not idiotic at all. How close do you live near elderly people that 70% of people their age group are obese?

Im not correcting you anymore or giving you advice, with your attitude you deserve everything you get.

https://www.disabled-world.com/pics/1/height-weight-ratio-chart.png

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 5:23pm:

Im not correcting you anymore or giving you advice, with your attitude you deserve everything you get.

I hope I do get some peace and quiet from you for a while. You are not helping at all in the last year. I would actually pay you $20 to see what sort of personal trainer help you do some volunteer for an hour of some day. But you would probably give up after 20 minutes, seeing that you have no idea yourself of how to properly train.

Pharkin' "lol, you have no idea" quotes is not advice. And that nicotine aggression is not something that people appreciate. Hopefully, I do get everything I deserve. A muscular physique brought about by a casual change in diet and attitude -- considering all that I have been through over the last 20 years.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 18^th, 2021 at 2:31am:

rhino wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 5:23pm: Im not correcting you anymore or giving you advice, with your attitude you deserve everything you get. I hope I do get some peace and quiet from you for a while. You are not helping at all in the last year. I would actually pay you $20 to see what sort of personal trainer help you do some volunteer for an hour of some day. But you would probably give up after 20 minutes, seeing that you have no idea yourself of how to properly train. Pharkin' "lol, you have no idea" quotes is not advice. And that nicotine aggression is not something that people appreciate. Hopefully, I do get everything I deserve. A muscular physique brought about by a casual change in diet and attitude -- considering all that I have been through over the last 20 years.

A muscular physique brought about by a casual change in diet and attitude

A casual change? That wont happen.

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 12:12pm:

A muscular physique brought about by a casual change in diet and attitude A casual change? That wont happen.

The last time I did a radical change in my diet and attitude, I lost 35kg in about 6 or 7 months. A casual change is like comparing last year's diet and exercise with this year's diet and exercise. The only difference is the resistance training that I do in the last 2 months. Oh, and I drink about a third of what I did last year.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 18^th, 2021 at 2:31am:

rhino wrote on Sep 17th, 2021 at 5:23pm: Im not correcting you anymore or giving you advice, with your attitude you deserve everything you get. I hope I do get some peace and quiet from you for a while. You are not helping at all in the last year. I would actually pay you $20 to see what sort of personal trainer help you do some volunteer for an hour of some day. But you would probably give up after 20 minutes, seeing that you have no idea yourself of how to properly train. Pharkin' "lol, you have no idea" quotes is not advice. And that nicotine aggression is not something that people appreciate. Hopefully, I do get everything I deserve. A muscular physique brought about by a casual change in diet and attitude -- considering all that I have been through over the last 20 years.

if you stayed off the meth you might stand a chance.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 18^th, 2021 at 2:31am:

Hopefully, I do get everything I deserve.  .

So do I. I wish i was in a position to give it to you.

The only thing you are completely in charge of is your attitude.  NOBODY can ever dictate how you relate to life. It's all entirely your call.

I used to smoke. I loved smoking. I smoked unfiltered French cigarettes and Dutch cigarillos. Coffee, tobacco, calvados, whiskey, red wine, late nights talking about literature and philosophy and the search for meaning. Loved it. It was Paris Left Bank transplanted to East Sydney and Kirribilli.

Then I got married and had kids. Looked at my little nippers one day and thought, 'I am too old to be gadding around, smoking Gitanes and looking for meaning as if I was still in Paris and I am still 23, when meaning is now right in front of me: those gorgeous little boys'. I became a different man overnight and stopped smoking from one day to the next. It was a revolution of self-perception. Never craved smoking since, I became a different man in my head overnight.

You have to see yourself anew. There is no other way.