Fascinating. Common sense is scientifically confirmed and validated.  Mothers are important, babies need mothers. Don't fcck up your kiddies for a quick return to a crap job.

A feminist on the side of kiddies!!!! How wonderful is that?!? And she is not the only one. If you have an ADHD or a "depressed" kiddie, you need to hear and then think.
And guess what?? Fathers are very important!

https://johnanderson.net.au/direct-erica-komisar/


My wife and I made conscious decisions to be present for our three boys as they grew up, especially before school started. We have always been clear about a father not being a mother and a mother not being a father.  Don't know how I would have gone with girls. I had no sisters myself, only bothers, so I only know about bringing up boys.
Now we consciously making our sons independent.  Lovely lads, well adjusted, there for each other, well liked and loved by people around them.

frank,

Too right.

I experienced a childhood without a stable [nurturing] family environment.

Love and nurture your children.



Psalms 27:10
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

.....but im well adjusted now !           :o


;)

both mother and father are equally important.

two mothers or two fathers screws with a child's mind.

There is a growing number of twisted suicidal kids out there because of pooftahs and lezzos rearing twisted kids.

This SSM and letting the perverts out of the cupboard is leading children into a whole world of insanity
This is obvious with the growing number of various "Genders" and suicides.

It dont help when the parents leave their kids to be raised in child care centers.

No wonder Australia is in trouble.

Being a mother is the most important and rewarding job in the world IMO.

It's also the most challenging 😩

Why a career is no match for motherhood
This isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, but admitting that mothers are optimally positioned to become primary caregivers is not reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes.

By VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT

My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by a society that rushes us back to paid work for economic gain while ignoring important metrics such as mental and physical health, social cohesion and relationships. It’s much harder to put a dollar figure on these concepts, and for that reason they go on mostly unrecognised.

I know this isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, as for many returning to paid work is a financial necessity. I realise I was lucky to have the means to care for my four children full time, but I want to be clear that we have been a low to middle income household since transitioning to one income in 2015.

I shouldn’t have to tell you intimate financial details when explaining my decision to become a parent full time but I’m tired of the assumption that only wealthy women can afford to care for their children on weekdays. It diminishes the personal, professional and financial sacrifices we have made in order to raise our own children full time. My role as carer is dismissed and downplayed as though I’m a “lady of leisure”.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-untold-value-of-care/news-story/027b70ccee09c437715410b4f7527c40

We arranged our lives, too, so my wife could be home with our little boys until they went to school. We thought there was no point to have children to be brought up by others.
We did put them into a few hours of family day care for 2 days mostly to socialise them with other kiddies.

Frank wrote on Sep 25^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

Fascinating. Common sense is scientifically confirmed and validated.  Mothers are important, babies need mothers. Don't fcck up your kiddies for a quick return to a crap job. A feminist on the side of kiddies!!!! How wonderful is that?!? And she is not the only one. If you have an ADHD or a "depressed" kiddie, you need to hear and then think. And guess what?? Fathers are very important! https://johnanderson.net.au/direct-erica-komisar/ My wife and I made conscious decisions to be present for our three boys as they grew up, especially before school started. We have always been clear about a father not being a mother and a mother not being a father.  Don't know how I would have gone with girls. I had no sisters myself, only bothers, so I only know about bringing up boys. Now we consciously making our sons independent.  Lovely lads, well adjusted, there for each other, well liked and loved by people around them.

This is literal bullshit.  Parental genitals are NEVER important

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Why a career is no match for motherhood This isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, but admitting that mothers are optimally positioned to become primary caregivers is not reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes. By VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by a society that rushes us back to paid work for economic gain while ignoring important metrics such as mental and physical health, social cohesion and relationships. It’s much harder to put a dollar figure on these concepts, and for that reason they go on mostly unrecognised. I know this isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, as for many returning to paid work is a financial necessity. I realise I was lucky to have the means to care for my four children full time, but I want to be clear that we have been a low to middle income household since transitioning to one income in 2015. I shouldn’t have to tell you intimate financial details when explaining my decision to become a parent full time but I’m tired of the assumption that only wealthy women can afford to care for their children on weekdays. It diminishes the personal, professional and financial sacrifices we have made in order to raise our own children full time. My role as carer is dismissed and downplayed as though I’m a “lady of leisure”. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-untold-value-of-care/news-story/027b70ccee09c437715410b4f7527c40 We arranged our lives, too, so my wife could be home with our little boys until they went to school. We thought there was no point to have children to be brought up by others. We did put them into a few hours of family day care for 2 days mostly to socialise them with other kiddies.

She's right.  We let women work and capitalism forced them to.  My wife stayed at home for four years and we lived on noodles to do it.  This has nothing to do with feminism, it's about capitalism.  Women should be able to be stay at home mothers if they want to, or work if they want to

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Why a career is no match for motherhood This isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, but admitting that mothers are optimally positioned to become primary caregivers is not reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes. By VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by a society that rushes us back to paid work for economic gain while ignoring important metrics such as mental and physical health, social cohesion and relationships. It’s much harder to put a dollar figure on these concepts, and for that reason they go on mostly unrecognised. I know this isn’t a popular thing to be talking about, as for many returning to paid work is a financial necessity. I realise I was lucky to have the means to care for my four children full time, but I want to be clear that we have been a low to middle income household since transitioning to one income in 2015. I shouldn’t have to tell you intimate financial details when explaining my decision to become a parent full time but I’m tired of the assumption that only wealthy women can afford to care for their children on weekdays. It diminishes the personal, professional and financial sacrifices we have made in order to raise our own children full time. My role as carer is dismissed and downplayed as though I’m a “lady of leisure”. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-untold-value-of-care/news-story/027b70ccee09c437715410b4f7527c40 We arranged our lives, too, so my wife could be home with our little boys until they went to school. We thought there was no point to have children to be brought up by others. We did put them into a few hours of family day care for 2 days mostly to socialise them with other kiddies.

The feminist movement still has work to do. In order to argue the case for women being able to work outside the home, career feminists had to denigrate the act of caring for children in the home. They had to argue that childcare and home duties were beneath them. Naturally, they sought empowerment by placing themselves where power lay – in the workplace. They viewed power through the lens of the patriarchy, the very system they sought to dismantle. The legacy of the devaluation of care work remains to this day and it’s extremely damaging to many women. I find myself in the ridiculous position of having to argue for my right to work inside the home.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard another mum say they went back to work because they became bored with looking after children and needed more stimulation. The implication is clear – that full time child rearing is intellectually inferior. We’ve managed to cast the full-time parent as somehow lacking ambition, not as intelligent and a little lazy.

I refuse to adapt to a system that doesn’t see the value in caregiving. We must, as a society, be more supportive and accommodating of parents who have invested time in their children.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e

Parents need to give their time to their children, not more shop bought stuff.

Frank wrote on Jul 19^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

The feminist movement still has work to do. In order to argue the case for women being able to work outside the home, career feminists had to denigrate the act of caring for children in the home. They had to argue that childcare and home duties were beneath them. Naturally, they sought empowerment by placing themselves where power lay – in the workplace. They viewed power through the lens of the patriarchy, the very system they sought to dismantle. The legacy of the devaluation of care work remains to this day and it’s extremely damaging to many women. I find myself in the ridiculous position of having to argue for my right to work inside the home. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard another mum say they went back to work because they became bored with looking after children and needed more stimulation. The implication is clear – that full time child rearing is intellectually inferior. We’ve managed to cast the full-time parent as somehow lacking ambition, not as intelligent and a little lazy. I refuse to adapt to a system that doesn’t see the value in caregiving. We must, as a society, be more supportive and accommodating of parents who have invested time in their children. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e Parents need to give their time to their children, not more shop bought stuff.

None of this is true.  You are a confused old man.  No one denigrated caring for kids except people like you when men do it.

you hate children.  You want to kill them.  this is about hating women

Sweet


https://mobile.twitter.com/PubityIG/status/1559470710011170816

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 19^th, 2022 at 11:08am:

None of this is true.  You are a confused old man.  No one denigrated caring for kids except people like you when men do it. you hate children.  You want to kill them.  this is about hating women

FutureTheLeftWant = = ANTIFASCIST ACTION [logo]


FutureTheLeftWant,

Do you even understand the    modus operandi    of the Neo-Marxists and LEFTISTS today ?


modus operandi = = a way of doing something.    the way in which something works.

fascism = = an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government.



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"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name."
- Confucius


"Errors do not cease to be errors simply because they’re ratified into law."
- E.A. Bucchianeri, Brushstrokes of a Gadfly,


"If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
- J.S. Mill - English philosopher - on people who try to silence opinions with which they disagree


Application of error, has caused so much of human suffering.
Errors hidden in darkness, perpetuate themselves.
Only full and open examination [i.e. light!], is able to expose error and thereby allow its mindful rejection.
- Yadda

Lisa said it very right- it is the MOST important job out here!!and we do not need to be told by a bunch of men about this fact- but thanks anyway!!

Listen to it! Apart from Agnes and FTLW we have a few fat old men saying what women should do—forget about a career, stay at home, or as Hitler put it: women are for church, kitchen and children.

Half the human race must forget about a career or working to help pay the mortgage. I guess women successfully pursuing a career is frightening to the fat old men.

I particularly enjoyed old, fat, single Larry talking about motherhood, something he knows as little about as personal hygiene.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Feminism never even remotely suggested that their wasn't wrth in motherhood. A cruel lie. It is in fact through feminism that motherhood has ever even been put forward as a noble thing.

Historically, motherhood has been utterly taken for granted, despite even the death toll.

The whole spin on motherhood falling short of feminist ideals was a construct of the counter-argument. A tool to divide women and keep some on "their" side.

A tactic that still, unfortunately, works. But fortunately only on the very old and the very stupid.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:22am:

Feminism never even remotely suggested that their wasn't wrth in motherhood. A cruel lie. It is in fact through feminism that motherhood has ever even been put forward as a noble thing. Historically, motherhood has been utterly taken for granted, despite even the death toll. The whole spin on motherhood falling short of feminist ideals was a construct of the counter-argument. A tool to divide women and keep some on "their" side. A tactic that still, unfortunately, works. But fortunately only on the very old and the very stupid.

:D :D

I'm a young, ambitious woman choosing kids over work

"My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by society. I hope my kids understand that I tried to give them my time, rather than more things."

BY VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e

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Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:37am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:22am: Feminism never even remotely suggested that their wasn't wrth in motherhood. A cruel lie. It is in fact through feminism that motherhood has ever even been put forward as a noble thing. Historically, motherhood has been utterly taken for granted, despite even the death toll. The whole spin on motherhood falling short of feminist ideals was a construct of the counter-argument. A tool to divide women and keep some on "their" side. A tactic that still, unfortunately, works. But fortunately only on the very old and the very stupid. :D :D I'm a young, ambitious woman choosing kids over work "My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by society. I hope my kids understand that I tried to give them my time, rather than more things." BY VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e

It's always been about choice Frank and not allowing others to make you feel guilty about choosing to be a full time house wife and mother. I've never EVER looked back and I LOVE being a stay at home wife and mum. I love being able to help my husband with his consultancy and I enjoy being at home for our children and our friends and family and church. Call me old fashioned if you like...those who know me call me a happy and content REAL MOTHER who knows it's the most important job and privilege in the entire world. Cheers

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:37am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:22am: Feminism never even remotely suggested that their wasn't wrth in motherhood. A cruel lie. It is in fact through feminism that motherhood has ever even been put forward as a noble thing. Historically, motherhood has been utterly taken for granted, despite even the death toll. The whole spin on motherhood falling short of feminist ideals was a construct of the counter-argument. A tool to divide women and keep some on "their" side. A tactic that still, unfortunately, works. But fortunately only on the very old and the very stupid. :D :D I'm a young, ambitious woman choosing kids over work "My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by society. I hope my kids understand that I tried to give them my time, rather than more things." BY VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e

And do you support fathers choosing to stay home, Frank? Think it should be about 50/50 who stays home and who pursues a career?

One of the male Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications.

As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker.

I respect people like that. Frank. . .not so much.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 9:36am:

One of the Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications. As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker. I respect people like that. Frank. . .no so much.

I reckon we can be pretty certain that Frank would consider that an aberration, if not a full blown deviancy.

The fact is that Frank's ideas of motherhood are entirely about women knowing our place.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:56am:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:37am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:22am: Feminism never even remotely suggested that their wasn't wrth in motherhood. A cruel lie. It is in fact through feminism that motherhood has ever even been put forward as a noble thing. Historically, motherhood has been utterly taken for granted, despite even the death toll. The whole spin on motherhood falling short of feminist ideals was a construct of the counter-argument. A tool to divide women and keep some on "their" side. A tactic that still, unfortunately, works. But fortunately only on the very old and the very stupid. :D :D I'm a young, ambitious woman choosing kids over work "My position as a mother is steadily being eroded by society. I hope my kids understand that I tried to give them my time, rather than more things." BY VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/perspective/a-career-is-no-match-for-motherhood/news-story/968982bc9dfe565e8f81321dbc6fe49e And do you support fathers choosing to stay home, Frank? Think it should be about 50/50 who stays home and who pursues a career?

It should not be prescribed by the likes of you, little Marxist theory-addled moth. The article is by a young woman, not by an old and stupid men, a trope you idiotically and reflexively deploy when you have run out of other idiotic slogans - ie by about your second or third sentence.

Children need their parents and in the beginning, their mother much more than their father, who is needed to support the mother. The parents can decide how they share the burden.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:36am: One of the Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications. As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker. I respect people like that. Frank. . .no so much. I reckon we can be pretty certain that Frank would consider that an aberration, if not a full blown deviancy. The fact is that Frank's ideas of motherhood are entirely about women knowing our place.

That about sums up 95% of OzPol. Living fossils mostly.

Say pressure—a law, whatever, and 99% of women stay home and look after the kids. How long before the living fossils—say Frank and Crappler—start saying “Why spend money putting women through High School? Just primary school plus typing and cooking is all they need!” Scratch a living fossil and find a Taliban.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ViralPosts5/status/1593122311183675396

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:36am: One of the Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications. As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker. I respect people like that. Frank. . .no so much. I reckon we can be pretty certain that Frank would consider that an aberration, if not a full blown deviancy. The fact is that Frank's ideas of motherhood are entirely about women knowing our place.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjuunyrXwAE5Hpa?.jpg

https://mobile.twitter.com/FunnymanPage/status/1616115697486290944

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:17am:

Children need their parents and in the beginning, their mother much more than their father, who is needed to support the mother. The parents can decide how they share the burden.

How do you define 'parents'?
Would you deny a group of women whose male relative was killed in war their right to raise an orphan ?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:58am:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 11:17am: Children need their parents and in the beginning, their mother much more than their father, who is needed to support the mother. The parents can decide how they share the burden. How do you define 'parents'? Would you deny a group of women whose male relative was killed in war their right to raise an orphan ?

:D

My sons used to ask me such questions when they were six: dad, which superpower would you have, invisibility or super strength.
Stuff like that.

https://twitter.com/TheFigen_/status/1715059135509676384

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:36am: One of the Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications. As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker. I respect people like that. Frank. . .no so much. I reckon we can be pretty certain that Frank would consider that an aberration, if not a full blown deviancy. The fact is that Frank's ideas of motherhood are entirely about women knowing our place.

Well Mothra.
Some people can afford a better existence code than others.
You obviously can't and so make excuses for it.

Homosexuals (Trans, etc) = Financial over-achievers, Sexual under-achievers.
Rednecks = Financial under-achievers, Sexual over-achievers.
...two wrongs that can never accept a right.

Mothra makes excuses for people who commit crimes too.

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 10:19am: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:36am: One of the Americans I know via the internet chose to be the stay-home parent to look after the kids—his wife I think had high qualifications. As the kids grew older he established a small business as a baker. I respect people like that. Frank. . .no so much. I reckon we can be pretty certain that Frank would consider that an aberration, if not a full blown deviancy. The fact is that Frank's ideas of motherhood are entirely about women knowing our place. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjuunyrXwAE5Hpa?.jpg

dafuq is that?

I’m in the elder age category that has been through all the motions of
1. Being female and felt 2nd rate.
2. Being a full time at home mum was a guilt thing especially when asked “Do you woooork?”
(dam stupid sticky beak guilt slinging question I hated it!) it’s any wonder I avoided people!
But one school mum I admired wore a badge “Every mother is a working mother”
Thank you thank you thank you!
Anyway, I would never do anything differently … I was fortunate to not be a single mum as many were and juggled with work, child rearing, paying household bills and childcare.

The schools always appreciated mums (and some of the dads) that helped in tuck shop, fundraisers, school excursions, school sports and readers with kids that were struggling.

See… those times move on so quickly and it’s over before we know it.
Kids grow up fast, leave home and then we feel the empty nest blues for a while, but then adapt and find time for ourselves after having given so much of our time to rearing kids.

Sophia wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

I’m in the elder age category that has been through all the motions of 1. Being female and felt 2nd rate. 2. Being a full time at home mum was a guilt thing especially when asked “Do you woooork?” (dam stupid sticky beak guilt slinging question I hated it!) it’s any wonder I avoided people! But one school mum I admired wore a badge “Every mother is a working mother” Thank you thank you thank you! Anyway, I would never do anything differently … I was fortunate to not be a single mum as many were and juggled with work, child rearing, paying household bills and childcare. The schools always appreciated mums (and some of the dads) that helped in tuck shop, fundraisers, school excursions, school sports and readers with kids that were struggling. See… those times move on so quickly and it’s over before we know it. Kids grow up fast, leave home and then we feel the empty nest blues for a while, but then adapt and find time for ourselves after having given so much of our time to rearing kids.

Thank god for good mothers.

Agree.

"Thank God for good mothers".

Yes we are out here and that mother thing does not stop because your babies grow up and move onto work, fathers are useful as well but they just do not seem to invest in the same way that mothers do.

A  lot of men would argue with that statement and that's alright as well.

I wish I was still in the thick of it but its not a life long thing! My kids are very successful now- I am proud of everyone of them!

I did it alone- it was a very hard but neccessary time for me.

Well done Agnes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAKMBvzbQAEpJDA?.jpg

Frank wrote on Nov 30^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAKMBvzbQAEpJDA?.jpg

Men can have babies too!

Agnes. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

"Thank God for good mothers". Yes we are out here and that mother thing does not stop because your babies grow up and move onto work, fathers are useful as well but they just do not seem to invest in the same way that mothers do. A  lot of men would argue with that statement and that's alright as well. I wish I was still in the thick of it but its not a life long thing! My kids are very successful now- I am proud of everyone of them! I did it alone- it was a very hard but neccessary time for me.

Absolutely! And to reinforce that thought, I volunteer to help any non-mother become a mother. ;)

I enjoyed it, but life was very difficult for a few years-

Your reply is kinda different- you are offering yourself up to all the ladies in here who want a stud with a bad attitude and  some energy!!


Careful now...

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