The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED!




Quote:

Yahoo News Australia Why the unvaccinated are roughly 20 times more likely to give you Covid 30 October 2021 "Briefly, it’s because vaccines reduce the probability of getting infected, which reduces the probability of a vaccinated person infecting someone else. And, despite vaccination providing excellent protection against severe disease, a small proportion of vaccinated people still require ICU care. Therefore some vaccinated people may have a strong preference to mix primarily with other vaccinated people." ......

https://au.news.yahoo.com/why-the-unvaccinated-are-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-031647143.html

It is a complete nonsense.

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.



At a Vaccine mandate protest, in the U.S.,   the un-vaccinated protesters argue......

@2.14 min                  "What are they so scared of? If they've all got the vaccine, they can't get sick. Right ?"
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SOUTHWEST PILOT: “WHY I’LL WALK”
22 min
First published at 08:04 UTC on October 29th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NWqQ7lxiP3Tp/



Isn't that how 'being vaccinated' is supposed to work ?

In a sane world, everyone knows that being vaccinated,
means you are 'inoculated' [against a disease] and you can't get sick.

Right ?


FACT;
We have witnessed, that many, many people have been injected, with these supposed, COVID 'vaccines'.

QUESTION;
Why aren't we seeing those persons who have been vaccinated,
being protected from the COVID virus,
by these supposed COVID vaccines ?

It is a reasonable question, imo !


If 'VACCINE' suppliers had a real 'COVID VACCINE', then that real 'COVID VACCINE',
would be able to protect      'VACCINATED' people      from the COVID VIRUS.

That, is what a 'COVID VACCINE' would be able to do.


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Examine the meaning of a word, in a dictionary.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1635083133/4#4



Quote:

Check out @CDCgov’s evolving definition of “vaccination.” They’ve been busy at the Ministry of Truth: pic.twitter.com/4k2xf8rvsL     — Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 8, 2021

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Now,    during this COVID crisis,     the medical scientists claim that the word 'vaccination' means something else;   Only "providing excellent protection" [in the Yahoo article].

And not 'PREVENTION of infection' [which is the intent of original definition, of the word 'vaccination'].

This is proof, that NONE of these new COVID 'vaccine(s)', are a real 'vaccine'.


IMAGE.....
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source......
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/read-cdc-changes-definition-of-vaccines-to-fit-covid-19-vaccine-limitations/


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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

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n.b.
EXAMINE THE TRADITIONAL, AND REAL DEFINITION,
OF THE WORD VACCINATE !!!!!

Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease.


Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.


Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.


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ARGUMENT;
We can 're-edit' the meaning of a word, ...a word in a dictionary.

But doing so, will not help us !

Why not so ?

Because words do have meaning [that is their fundamental purpose.   specific words convey, specific meanings.   fundamental.].

And if you can convince someone, to arbitrarily 're-edit' the meaning of a word [in a dictionary] [to suit your own advantage],
you will only create confusion, in the minds of the people around you.

And i do assure you, that creating confusion, in the minds of the people who surround you,
is not in YOUR OWN interests !!

No matter how much, you believe that it is.

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 2:55pm:

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.

You keep repeating this crap despite having previously being told where you are going wrong.

no vaccine is absolute. You can still catch any virus that they have vaccinations out there for even after a vaccine. A vaccine offers protection much like a seat belt offers protection. Will a seat belt stop everyone dying in a car crash? Absolutely not. Do seat belts protect drivers? Absolutely. The stats prove that they work. I don't see yo arguing that they should stop making seat beklts compulsory just because some people still die from car accidents.



Now that you've been shown, once again, where you are going wrong, maybe you can stop posting that crap..

If you're "fully" vaccinated, go about your life as if you weren't vaccinated ... no use taking chances ... keep wearing your mask and maintain distancing

We could give them bells to hang round their neck when they are outside, and have a rule like in AFL where every few steps they have to rig the bell and shout out "unclean! unclean!".

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:27pm:

If you're "fully" vaccinated, go about your life as if you weren't vaccinated ... no use taking chances ... keep wearing your mask and maintain distancing

LOL !

Exactly so bias !    hehe




JS,

The 'vaccines' are not a panacea against COVID, that is your argument.    !!!!!


John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:06pm:

You can still catch any virus that they have vaccinations out there for even after a vaccine.

'I've been vaccinated.
And we want more LOCK-DOWNS,      ....to protect us all,   ....from COVID !!!'


'I've been vaccinated.
And we want more LOCK-DOWNS,      ....to protect us all,   ....from COVID !!!'


'I've been vaccinated.
And we want more LOCK-DOWNS,      ....to protect us all,   ....from COVID !!!'





;D

Yadda, you are carrying on like a hysterical tart. It wasn't so long ago you couldn't cross borders without a vaccination certificate for Smallpox and Yellow Fever. Anti-vaxxers are just new-age whingers.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:47pm:

Yadda, you are carrying on like a hysterical tart. It wasn't so long ago you couldn't cross borders without a vaccination certificate for Smallpox and Yellow Fever. Anti-vaxxers are just new-age whingers.

issue,

If your argument in this forum, is that the 'COVID vaccine' type, which Pfizer, Moderna, et all, are all producing today,
can be legitimately defined as vaccine,
then, imo, there is no hope for you.

i.e.
You are sorely mistaken.

These are NOT vaccines.       .....THEY DO NOT PROVIDE THE PROTECTION, WHICH A REAL VACCINE WOULD.

FOR MANY, MANY RECIPIENTS, THEY ARE INJURIOUS, INJECTABLES.

They are an 'injectable'.



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WWW search....
Vaccine Deaths Are Not Being Reported

Astonishing Spike In Post-Vaccine Deaths Gets No Media

CDC Caught Deleting 6,000 COVID Vaccine Deaths From VAERS database

Why Are Thousands of Vaccine Deaths Being Ignored?

VAERS Whistleblower: "45,000 Dead From Covid-19 Vaccines

vaccine injuries, myocarditis

vaccine injuries, chest pain

vaccine injuries, shortness of breath

vaccine injuries, blood clotting

vaccine injuries, anaphylaxis



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WWW search....

Quote:

"Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected, to use the protection that didn't protect the protected in the first place?"

- Retired RN [at a public hearing, in Calif. ?]


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If i knew [if i had some confidence] that
1/ the COVID vaccine 'worked', and
2/ [i had some confidence] that the COVID vaccine would not harm me,
i probably would have been vaxxed by now.

But i do not have that confidence [in what i am being told, in the 'assurances' being given to me, about the COVID vaccines].

There are too many PERSISTENT inconsistencies,     ...in the progressive feed of information we are being given [about the COVID vaccines], imo.

e.g.
We are being told, that we ought to get vaccinated, TO HELP, TO PROTECT THOSE AROUND US.

And we are being told, "...when you get vaccinated, you will get fully protected." Qld. CHO [on TV]


Quote:

"Queensland Chief Health Officer Dr Jeannette Young says residents have 12 days to get their first vaccine dose in order to be fully protected by the state's December 17 border reopening."

- WWW search


But we are learning that CDC [in the U.S.] is releasing contradictory data, showing that there is.....

WWW search.....
No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated


Who is telling the truth ?

HOW CAN WE KNOW, WHAT THE TRUTH IS ?
....when the medical jurisdictions all have different narratives [regarding the COVID virus] [depending on location] ?



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FACT;
We have witnessed, that many, many people have been injected, with these supposed, COVID 'vaccines'.

QUESTION;
Why aren't we seeing those persons who have been vaccinated,
being protected from the COVID virus,
by these supposed COVID vaccines ?

It is a reasonable question, imo !


If 'VACCINE' suppliers had a real 'COVID VACCINE', then that real 'COVID VACCINE',
would be able to protect      'VACCINATED' people      from the COVID VIRUS.

That, is what a 'COVID VACCINE' would be able to do.


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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

------ >

n.b.
EXAMINE THE TRADITIONAL, AND REAL DEFINITION,
OF THE WORD VACCINATE !!!!!

Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease.


Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.


Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.


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ARGUMENT;
We can 're-edit' the meaning of a word, ...a word in a dictionary.

But doing so, will not help us !

Why not so ?

Because words do have meaning [that is their fundamental purpose.   specific words convey, specific meanings.   fundamental.].

And if you can convince someone, to arbitrarily 're-edit' the meaning of a word [in a dictionary] [to suit your own advantage],
in doing so, you will only create confusion, in the minds of the people around you.

And i do assure you, that creating confusion, in the minds of the people who surround you,
is not in YOUR OWN interests !!

No matter how much, you believe that it is.

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:41pm:

The 'vaccines' are not a panacea against COVID, that is your argument.    !!!!!

or against any disease.

Good to see you are finally beginning to understand. Although I don't know why it's taken so long. .. this stuff is pretty basic.

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:28pm:

or against any disease.

They say the smallpox vax is good for 3-5 years. What is the effective date range of COVID vaccines?

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 4:28pm: or against any disease. They say the smallpox vax is good for 3-5 years. What is the effective date range of COVID vaccines?

irrelevant to my point. Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that yadda doesn't know what he's on about?

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 4:28pm: or against any disease. They say the smallpox vax is good for 3-5 years. What is the effective date range of COVID vaccines?

The first jab is only about 8 weeks. The second jab will be good until you get a booster. The booster will last only till the next election

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:33pm:

irrelevant to my point.

Oh your point wasn't about how long panacea's last, against any disease? ;)

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:01pm:

The booster will last only till the next election

I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. ;)

"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 4:33pm: irrelevant to my point. Oh your point wasn't about how long panacea's last, against any disease? ;)

god you're a moron

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:01pm: The booster will last only till the next election I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. ;) "Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620

Sounds like the vaccine saved lots of lives.

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Sounds like the vaccine saved lots of lives.

Based on what? 7 out of 49? ::)

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:47pm:

god you're a moron

Poor petal. Has to go to his default position. Without benefit of anything - including common sense. ;)

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:47pm: god you're a moron Poor petal. Has to go to his default position. Without benefit of anything - including common sense. ;)

god you're a moron

Aren't you glad I won't descend to your level? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Aren't you glad I won't descend to your level? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

god you're a moron

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:50pm:

lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:18pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:01pm: The booster will last only till the next election I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. ;) "Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620 Sounds like the vaccine saved lots of lives.

Not necessarily, there's no real proof yet. The only real proof is to have a situation where everyone is fully vaccinated before a virus comes in, and then if it comes in, see if anyone gets infected

NSW cases started dropping from 24th Sep well before 70% fully vaxxed was achieved, so it must have been deserted streets, mask wearing and distancing that did it. As time went on, bods were probably becoming more aware they needed to do those things enthusiastically and not wait for mass vaccination. So far, vaccination has only been a song and a prayer. I'm double vaxxed but I'm certainly not relying on it because no one can say I'm out of danger

I'll keep doing the only things that have worked with this virus, wear my mask (actually it's two masks, one over the other), and stay away from infected areas

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:50pm: Sounds like the vaccine saved lots of lives. Based on what? 7 out of 49? ::)

Sure. What do you think it means?

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Sure. What do you think it means?

I wasn't sure what you meant. Sarcasm doesn't translate well to print. Perhaps you should have a sarcasm tag.

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 2:55pm:

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR (sic) ARE PROTECTED

... as this claim grown of 'ignorence" has been posted previously
- I'll just C&P the post from that occasion



buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:13pm:

Did I miss where it was claimed ... ALL covid vaccines gave 100% protection to ALL people, of ALL ages, against ALL illnesses ? Perhaps if the LJP had been at Colin Powell's bedside chanting the Torah around the clock, he may well have survived It doesn't take too many background checks to establish - again and again - just what a disgraceful pack of "lying c*nts" the anti-vax conspiracy theory lobby really ARE

So tell us buzz or is it didj, why don't you trust the ABC on those 36 of 49 deaths that were fully vaccinated. A 14% success rate is a far cry from claiming "ALL covid vaccines gave 100% protection to ALL people, of ALL ages, against ALL illnesses". ;)

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 9:14pm: Sure. What do you think it means? I wasn't sure what you meant. Sarcasm doesn't translate well to print. Perhaps you should have a sarcasm tag.

I wasn't being sarcastic. I think it sounds like it saved a lot of lives.

What conclusion did you draw from the numbers?

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 2:55pm: If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR (sic) ARE PROTECTED

Ooooooooooooo, yes, you saw my typo.

Oooooooo.........silly me !

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:40pm:

What conclusion did you draw from the numbers?

A 14% success rate is a success? You really do set a low bar. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It is an appalling failure. It may well have been more successful not to be "vaccinated".

According to the ABS those over 90 had a CFR of 40%, those 70-79 30%. And yet an 86% death rate is classed as good. ::)

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:38pm:

... a far cry from claiming "ALL covid vaccines gave 100% protection to ALL people, of ALL ages, against ALL illnesses". ;)

I wouldn't normally reply - you being a rather dull "wanna be elitest" and all

Perhaps you should speak to the LJP - who tacitly MADE the claim, that Covid vaccines GUARANTEED 100% protection

Only a scurrilous LIAR would try and attach MY name to it

cited, on a YOUTUBE thread......


Quote:

Syd Barrett 12 hours ago (edited) I'm confused. Can someone help me? If the covid vaccine does not prevent the vaccinated from contracting covid and does not prevent the vaccinated from spreading covid, but only reduces symptoms, does that mean over the counter drugs that help reduce symptoms for various ailments are also vaccines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hfq9gBkwBE&lc=UgzfKxpLAbYmMO0UfqB4AaABAg

Syd Barrett, he is some kind of wit, isn't he ?           hehe


FROM COMMENTS HERE.......

Dr John Campbell - Inconsistencies in official numbers
24 min
253,025 views
Oct 30, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hfq9gBkwBE



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Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:16pm:

FACT; We have witnessed, that many, many people have been injected, with these supposed, COVID 'vaccines'. QUESTION; Why aren't we seeing those persons who have been vaccinated, being protected from the COVID virus, by these supposed COVID vaccines ? It is a reasonable question, imo ! If 'VACCINE' suppliers had a real 'COVID VACCINE', then that real 'COVID VACCINE', would be able to protect      'VACCINATED' people      from the COVID VIRUS. That, is what a 'COVID VACCINE' would be able to do. . From the Oxford Dictionary..... vaccinate immunise immune ------ > n.b. EXAMINE THE TRADITIONAL, AND REAL DEFINITION, OF THE WORD VACCINATE !!!!! Dictionary; vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine     to produce immunity     against a disease. Dictionary; immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation. Dictionary; immune = = 1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells. 2 not susceptible.

Pfiser, and Moderna, et al, imo, are not supplying the world, with any kind of product which could be characterised as a 'VACCINE'.

They do not 'work' !!


EVERYONE KNOWS IT !!!!

THE VAST MAJORITY, REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.



WWW search....

Quote:

"Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected, to use the protection that didn't protect the protected in the first place?"

- Retired RN [at a public hearing, in Calif. ?]



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"None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth...."



Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3  For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4  None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 9:40pm: What conclusion did you draw from the numbers? A 14% success rate is a success? You really do set a low bar. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is an appalling failure. It may well have been more successful not to be "vaccinated". According to the ABS those over 90 had a CFR of 40%, those 70-79 30%. And yet an 86% death rate is classed as good. ::) https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

Quote:

A 14% success rate is a success?

No 14% Died - that means that the survival (success rate) rate was 86%.

This is in a community where almost everyone is in the highest risk groups for multiple reasons.

The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities.

The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results.

The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am:

The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities. The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results. The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from.

Dnarever,

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus [the claim being made by many who ARE already 'vaccinated'],
why must everyone be vaccinated ???



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WWW search.....
No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated


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QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???



The arguments for 'vaccination' [with a treatment which is clearly NOT a vaccine] is a complete nonsense.

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.

AND AGAIN.....

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???


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At a Vaccine mandate protest, in the U.S.,   the un-vaccinated protesters argue......

@2.14 min                  "What are they so scared of? If they've all got the vaccine, they can't get sick. Right ?"
----- >
SOUTHWEST PILOT: “WHY I’LL WALK”
22 min
First published at 08:04 UTC on October 29th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NWqQ7lxiP3Tp/



Isn't that how 'being vaccinated' is supposed to work ?

In a sane world, everyone knows that being vaccinated,
means you are 'inoculated' [against a disease] and you can't get sick.

Right ?

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:16pm:

These are NOT vaccines.       .....THEY DO NOT PROVIDE THE PROTECTION, WHICH A REAL VACCINE WOULD.

Perhaps there's an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, Christian Scientist, Dutch Reformist, Nazi, Jew, Manson Family, paedophile priest - or any ordinary, everyday nut-job - who'd care to name a "real vaccine" ? (from any time in history)



(take your time - though I'm keen to see which lyjng c*nt takes the bait, first)

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:01pm: The booster will last only till the next election I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. ;) "Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620

Why was the highlighted section omitted....One would expect that if they all had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care it would be relevant to the debate....More cherry picking bullshit from the resident dickhead???


Quote:

Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

::) ::) ::)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 2:55pm: If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED. You keep repeating this crap despite having previously being told where you are going wrong. no vaccine is absolute. You can still catch any virus that they have vaccinations out there for even after a vaccine.

She doesn't BELIEVE it
Not for a MOMENT
But once all the OTHER LIES were exposed,

there's not much else left to work with

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:29am:

Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

And still more died than the unvaccinated CFR for those age groups. ::)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am:

No 14% Died - that means that the survival (success rate) rate was 86%.

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated

Maths is not your strong suit is it?

Yadda wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:50am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 9:35am: The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities. The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results. The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from. Dnarever, QUESTION; If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus [the claim being made by many who ARE already 'vaccinated'], why must everyone be vaccinated ??? ----- > WWW search..... No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated . QUESTION; If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus, why must everyone be vaccinated ??? The arguments for 'vaccination' [with a treatment which is clearly NOT a vaccine] is a complete nonsense. If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED. AND AGAIN..... QUESTION; If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus, why must everyone be vaccinated ??? . At a Vaccine mandate protest, in the U.S.,   the un-vaccinated protesters argue...... @2.14 min                  "What are they so scared of? If they've all got the vaccine, they can't get sick. Right ?" ----- > SOUTHWEST PILOT: “WHY I’LL WALK” 22 min First published at 08:04 UTC on October 29th, 2021. https://www.bitchute.com/video/NWqQ7lxiP3Tp/ Isn't that how 'being vaccinated' is supposed to work ? In a sane world, everyone knows that being vaccinated, means you are 'inoculated' [against a disease] and you can't get sick. Right ?

QUESTION;
If

No If the vaccine is very effective.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:29am:

lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:18pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:01pm: The booster will last only till the next election I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. ;) "Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620 Why was the highlighted section omitted....One would expect that if they all had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care it would be relevant to the debate....More cherry picking bullshit from the resident dickhead??? Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. ::) ::) ::) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620

Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads???


Quote:

Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable. "Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads???

And yet then quote a doctor who says "33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died". And then you quibble about 86 percent of double vaccinated dying? ::)


philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19

And still nowhere near the 86 percent of double vaccinated dying. You do have trouble with maths don't you. The 40% of over 90's from ABS includes those with comorbidities and palliative care. ::)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 3:04pm: Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads??? And yet then quote a doctor who says "33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died". And then you quibble about 86 percent of double vaccinated dying? ::) philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 3:04pm: This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19 And still nowhere near the 86 percent of double vaccinated dying. You do have trouble with maths don't you. The 40% of over 90's from ABS includes those with comorbidities and palliative care. ::)

Piss off you dickhead....I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article....You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!


Quote:

Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable. "Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article.

So you are saying she can't tell the difference between a 33% death rate and an 86% death rate? ::)


philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

The data is the data.  No misrepresentation.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent " I wonder if she included those fully vaxxed deaths or if they happened after the stats were run. ::)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 4:48pm: I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article. So you are saying she can't tell the difference between a 33% death rate and an 86% death rate? ::) philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 4:48pm: You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!! The data is the data.  No misrepresentation. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent " I wonder if she included those fully vaxxed deaths or if they happened after the stats were run. ::)

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!


Quote:

Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable. "Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

Dickhead....The two statements are correct when taken in isolation!!!


Quote:

"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated."

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:15pm:

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

Poor petal. Do you want the latest ABS data for Case fatality Rate

Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3
80-89 M/F - 34/24
70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

As at 28/10/2021


Now they may not all be aged care but those I reported most definitely were. But that would mean that 36% died who were not in aged care.


philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:15pm:

The two statements are correct when taken in isolation!!!

So she makes a statement on the subject of 36 of 49 but addresses a different question entirely. ;D ;D ;D ;D

"What about those 36 deaths"? "Well the rate is down but we don't want to talk about those others". ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 9:40pm: What conclusion did you draw from the numbers? A 14% success rate is a success? You really do set a low bar. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is an appalling failure. It may well have been more successful not to be "vaccinated". According to the ABS those over 90 had a CFR of 40%, those 70-79 30%. And yet an 86% death rate is classed as good. ::) https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

Where did you get a 14% success rate from?

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:29pm:

Where did you get a 14% success rate from?

I was wrong. It happens. it was 26.5%. Still not a good success rate.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 9:35am: No 14% Died - that means that the survival (success rate) rate was 86%. lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2021 at 6:18pm: has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated Maths is not your strong suit is it?

Al this seriously flawed stat shows is that in a community where almost everyone is vaccinated there will be a statistically  high portion of people who catch Covid-19 will have been vaccinated. Yet only 14% were dying which is the real statistic to come out of it.


Quote:

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Whoops you didn't mention this bit ?


Quote:

Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable. "Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

Forgot about this too. OH and this is the yearly figure.

You seem to have quoted one misleading stat while leaving out the context and while you proudly state the professors partial numbers you come to the opposite conclusion of the professional.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:31pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:29pm: Where did you get a 14% success rate from? I was wrong. It happens. it was 26.5%. Still not a good success rate.

Of course you are wrong. The question is, how? Where did you get your latest number from?

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:42pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:31pm: freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:29pm: Where did you get a 14% success rate from? I was wrong. It happens. it was 26.5%. Still not a good success rate. Of course you are wrong. The question is, how? Where did you get your latest number from?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw-aged-care-homes/100539620


Quote:

Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable. "Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

He is using the inverse of the number in the article. He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying.

He was claiming that 14% survived when the article was saying that 14% died - just a mistake.

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:42pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:31pm: freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:29pm: Where did you get a 14% success rate from? I was wrong. It happens. it was 26.5%. Still not a good success rate. Of course you are wrong. The question is, how? Where did you get your latest number from?

No, Now I am right. ;)


freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:42pm:

Where did you get your latest number from?

The article said 36 from 49 double vaxxed died . That leaves 13 survived. 13/49=26.5%.

Quote:

That leaves 13 survived.

No. They died also.

That's a strange measure of success, don't you think?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:53pm:

He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying.

The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED.


lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:21am:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm: "has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:38pm:

Forgot about this too. OH and this is the yearly figure.

Yes of all Australians not just those in aged care. ;D ;D ;D

Of course ir is a yearly figure. You thought she was giving daily data? ::)
Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:38pm:

You seem to have quoted one misleading stat while leaving out the context and while you proudly state the professors partial numbers you come to the opposite conclusion of the professional.

It is you who can't do maths. ::)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:53pm: He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying. The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED. lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 11:21am: lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm: "has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

You are terribly confused Lee. No wonder you are so easily fooled by all the climate denial BS you find on the internet.

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:56pm:

Quote: That leaves 13 survived. No. They died also. That's a strange measure of success, don't you think?

Everyone who's been vaccinated, and everyone who catches the virus, will die.

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:56pm:

No. They died also.

I haven't seen that anywhere. So you are saying of 49 double vaxxed all died. Do you have a link for that? ;)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:56pm: No. They died also. I haven't seen that anywhere. So you are saying of 49 double vaxxed all died. Do you have a link for that? ;)

I have eyes. And I can comprehend what I read.

*

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:42pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:31pm: freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:29pm: Where did you get a 14% success rate from? I was wrong. It happens. it was 26.5%. Still not a good success rate. Of course you are wrong. The question is, how? Where did you get your latest number from?

The last number if from the same article


Quote:

"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated".

Can this be stuffed up enough to get close to that number ? This would be about 75.%. If you went the inverse of 25 maybe could stretch it to 26.5

Give up

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:04pm:

This would be about 75.%.

So 75% fully vaxxed died out of 49 deaths. Yep That sounds right. They would have been better off unvaxxed.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:53pm: He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying. The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED. lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 11:21am: lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm: "has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

Yes it also stated that: 
Quote:

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

We are talking about an environment where almost all patients are double vaccinated so almost all cases are break through cases, mostly elderly vulnerable people with other serious medical issues and likely compromised immune systems.

The number while true is virtually meaningless.

Its a bit over 75% who died were double vaxed and in palliative care or had other serious health issues.
The patients not double vaxed were most likely due to having conditions that prevented them being vaxed.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:53pm: He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying. The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED. lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 11:21am: lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm: "has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

"49 aged care residents that died".

Unless there are only 49 aged care residents in NSW, which would seem very unlikely.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:02pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 6:56pm: Quote: That leaves 13 survived. No. They died also. That's a strange measure of success, don't you think? Everyone who's been vaccinated, and everyone who catches the virus, will die.

Yes But I would like it to be 50 + years later.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:11pm:

Its a bit over 45%

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3 80-89 M/F - 34/24 70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

Lee would you like to have another crack at being wrong in creative ways?

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:11pm: Its a bit over 45% lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 5:35pm: Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3 80-89 M/F - 34/24 70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

45 was a typo - meant 75 but I now see where you got your number as meaningless as it is.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED.

;D ;D ;D


No it doesn't. It says that 49  died.  ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

says who?

The funniest thing here is that the antivaxxers were claiming that everyone who died of anything were counted in the Covid stats. Now here we see the point is about elderly people in palliative care and elderly with underlying conditions.

The same guys who held the opinion of they are old let them die.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus.

So, not sure what you're talking about there.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:30pm:

I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus.

That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Being immunosuppressed  undermines the vaccine. First dose give someone in this condition about 3% protection and the second shot raises this to 7% protection.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:28pm:

Now here we see the point is about elderly people in palliative care and elderly with underlying conditions.

And vaxxed. ;)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Being immunosuppressed  undermines the vaccine.

And how many illnesses are immunosuppressed? ::)

We know about 50%. Why then larger numbers from vaxxed?

Is Lee still trying to say something with these numbers, or just trying to change the subject from his inability to comprehend plain English?

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

If you look at the children's shot scheme you see the same shots are given year after year.

Also the covid vax is designed to be protection against covid 1. It is less effective against mutant strains and each new strain removed one generation from the original will in most cases be even less effective, the more that the non vaxed sponsor the virus to survive, flourish and mutate the less effective the vaccine will be and the greater the need of a booster of some type. This is the reason that there is a new FLU shot every year.

I am terrible with numbers now but i am somehow reminded of someone graduated from the prestigious Jethro Bodine School of Advanced Countin and Cypherin.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Piss off you dickhead....I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article....You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

I've found lee's best IGNORED, phil
Once you respond, you'll (literally) never hear the end of him
Before you know it, he'll be drawing you up some of his little graphs - to accompany the tedious, ming-numbing text
The ONLY thing that gives him any sense of worth, is getting the "last word" in

He may be just lonely - and would rather an argument, than be not spoken to at ALL
But I don't have time to baby-sit
I'd guess you don't, EITHER

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

Could you please show me a link showing manufacturers (or anyone) claiming that COVID-19 vaccinations are supposed to stop you from catching or spreading the virus?

I have to say, I've not seen anyone make that claim.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:33pm: Being immunosuppressed  undermines the vaccine. And how many illnesses are immunosuppressed? ::) We know about 50%. Why then larger numbers from vaxxed?

Because in care facilities almost everyone is vaxxed.

The less people in the community who are unvaxxed the less unvaxed people there are to catch it. These facilities have vaccination rates well over 90%.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:51pm:

Could you please show me a link showing manufacturers (or anyone) claiming that COVID-19 vaccinations are supposed to stop you from catching or spreading the virus?

That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Why don't covid Vax's?

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:51pm: Could you please show me a link showing manufacturers (or anyone) claiming that COVID-19 vaccinations are supposed to stop you from catching or spreading the virus? That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Why don't covid Vax's?

That's a 'no', then.

Thanks.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

Quote:

Like smallpox vax.

Smallpox vax is about 95% effective.

Roughly the same as this Vax

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

Much like seasonal, annual influenza vaccinations, eh ?

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Much like seasonal, annual influenza vaccinations, eh ?

Except much shorter.  ;)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.

No vaccination offers 100% protection. You can still get any virus you are vaccinated against. That's why heard immunity is so important.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Smallpox vax is about 95% effective. Roughly the same as this Vax

"In clinical trials COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to provide excellent protection from getting sick with COVID-19. In these trials, after two doses the Pfizer vaccine was about 95% effective, the Moderna vaccine was 94% effective and the AstraZeneca vaccine was at least 62–70% effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19. "

Such a wide range of effectiveness. As they were older they would have been mandated Astraeneca, as I was. So nowhere near 95%

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 8:00pm: Smallpox vax is about 95% effective. Roughly the same as this Vax "In clinical trials COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to provide excellent protection from getting sick with COVID-19. In these trials, after two doses the Pfizer vaccine was about 95% effective, the Moderna vaccine was 94% effective and the AstraZeneca vaccine was at least 62–70% effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19. " Such a wide range of effectiveness. As they were older they would have been mandated Astraeneca, as I was. So nowhere near 95%

Are those numbers for the Alpha variant?

The Israelis found Pfizer dropped to around 40% 6 months after 2nd dose with Delta variant.

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:51pm:

No vaccination offers 100% protection

True.


John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:51pm:

You can still get any virus you are vaccinated against.

At what rate?  ::)


John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:51pm:

That's why heard immunity is so important.

Before COVID herd immunity could be gained via vaccination OR having had the virus.
Now only the vax can give you herd immunity. It apparently saves lives.

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:51pm:

No vaccination offers 100% protection. You can still get any virus you are vaccinated against. That's why heard immunity is so important.

Herd immunity isn't going to happen with these vaccines.


Quote:

AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immunity Impossible. Here's Why 12 AUGUST 2021 The Delta variant has changed the equation for achieving herd immunity, the developer of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has said. Speaking at a UK parliamentary meeting on Tuesday, Sir Andrew Pollard, a professor of pediatric infection and immunity at the University of Oxford, said that achieving herd immunity is "not a possibility" now that the Delta variant is circulating. He said it was unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, saying the next variant of the novel coronavirus will be "perhaps even better at transmitting in vaccinated populations". But growing evidence suggests that, with the Delta variant, fully vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. "We don't have anything which will stop that transmission to other people," Pollard said. https://www.sciencealert.com/delta-variant-means-we-can-rule-out-herd-immunity-says-astra-zeneca-developer

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Dickhead!!!


Quote:

Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated. Dickhead!!! Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. ::) ::) ::)

Still way above case fatality rate.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Are those numbers for the Alpha variant?

It's from here -
https://ncirs.org.au/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-frequently-asked-questions

last updated 28/10/21

Vaccine effectiveness is declining to about 70% (USA), 65% (Israel)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037a7.htm?s_cid=mm7037a7_w

But - "Fourth, this study did not estimate VE by vaccine product, and persons were categorized fully vaccinated at 14 days after final dose, per CDC definitions; however, the Janssen vaccine might have higher efficacy at 28 days."

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Yes petal. Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 8:00pm: Smallpox vax is about 95% effective. Roughly the same as this Vax "In clinical trials COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to provide excellent protection from getting sick with COVID-19. In these trials, after two doses the Pfizer vaccine was about 95% effective, the Moderna vaccine was 94% effective and the AstraZeneca vaccine was at least 62–70% effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19. " Such a wide range of effectiveness. As they were older they would have been mandated Astraeneca, as I was. So nowhere near 95%

No people with immune suppressed systems have about 7% effectivness.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 9:44pm: Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. Yes petal. Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes but you still shot yourself in the foot admitting that the numbers that you stress are not relevant.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:40pm:

es but you still shot yourself in the foot admitting that the numbers that you stress are not relevant.

Really? Maybe you should provide your translation. ;)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:39pm:

No people with immune suppressed systems have about 7% effectivness.

And yet the CFR at its highest for over 90's at 50%. You would expect the old and frail to be much higher CFR.

But you seem to be saying that people with comorbidities who are over 90 should die at 93%.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 9:44pm: Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions.

Is the complete bullshit you post supposed to relevant....The statement above only reflects those who have died in NSW aged care which makes your statement irrelevant bullshit as usual....You cant even read or understand plain English....You are stupid and a dickhead!!!

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freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:38pm:

Is Lee still trying to say something with these numbers, or just trying to change the subject from his inability to comprehend plain English?

He is just a complete dickhead....Even when it is pointed out he is wrong he remains ignorant!!!

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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 9:44pm: lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated. Dickhead!!! Quote: Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care. ::) ::) ::) Still way above case fatality rate.

The meme you posted is based on reported infections and deaths ya dickhead....It says so in the heading....Another dickhead who cannot understand English???

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:02pm:

Is the complete bullshit you post supposed to relevant....The statement above only reflects those who have died in NSW aged care which makes your statement irrelevant bullshit as usual..

Oh so it was 73% of double vaxxed cohort in Sydney? And that is supposed to make a difference? 73% of the cohort is higher than the over 90's 50%. Shouldn't those numbers have been roughly equivalent? Were they all over 90's? ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:08pm:

The meme you posted is based on reported infections and deaths ya dickhead.

So we shouldn't believe the reports now? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:45pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 8:00pm: Much like seasonal, annual influenza vaccinations, eh ? Except much shorter

Not at ALL

You're just not much "chop" at this - ARE you ?
Any "fact checking" you might attempt - results in, well, pretty much a 'crock of yadda'
Select the bits that support your anti-vaxx politic and conspiracy theories - and discard the rest

I have an influenza vaccine - every year - due to a compromised immune system, resulting from a chronic medical condition
I am given the BEST vaccine (also the most costly - there are six on the market, this year) with the high efficacy and the longest coverage, time-frame wise

This is around 3-4 months
I've had a booster, on years with a particularly long flu season

I'll put to rest, here, the conspiracy theory on covid vaccines  being "untested poison"
NO vaccine goes through "years and years" of trials
Every new 'flu' vaccine goes through the same rigorous testing as they have gone through for the past 80 years

All of the COVID19 vaccines are held to the same standard

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:44pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 4:08pm: The meme you posted is based on reported infections and deaths ya dickhead. So we shouldn't believe the reports now ?

I TOTALLY IGNORE "memes" - where no source URL is given for verification
They're almost always FAKE

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:10pm:

I TOTALLY IGNORE "memes" - where no source URL is given for verification They're almost always FAKE

The url was given in one of my posts -
lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3 80-89 M/F - 34/24 70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

So you don't trust the ABS or you were just too lazy to look at what was referenced? ::)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 4:48pm: I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article. So you are saying she can't tell the difference between a 33% death rate and an 86% death rate? ::) philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 4:48pm: You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!! The data is the data.  No misrepresentation. "This year, it's come down to 14 per cent " I wonder if she included those fully vaxxed deaths or if they happened after the stats were run. ::)

Just to point out that it is from the same researcher in the same article as the numbers that you were quoting ?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Just to point out that it is from the same researcher in the same article as the numbers that you were quoting ?

Very good. Go to the top of the class. leave your books you'll be back.

So do you want me to reiterate? Just exactly what did the figures represent?

I mean she apparently was asked about the 36 from 49 double vaxxed deaths and segued away from there immediately.

There is another ABC news item from earlier which has 35 deaths, which I assume are the same.

Extracts -

"The most recent detailed breakdown of NSW Health data available shows that up until September 11, 21 people died who were fully vaccinated.

Twenty of those people were aged 70 or more."

But less than 90?

"Since then daily figures show a further 14 fully vaccinated people have died.

Seven had underlying health conditions, while the other seven were not specified."

So 7 but maybe all 14? Aren't they supposed to detail that?

"Professor Cunningham said people undergoing chemotherapy for cancer, or taking immunosuppressive drugs after a transplant, could have a compromised immune response to the vaccine.

"Only about 55 per cent of people who are immunocompromised will develop adequate antibody levels after immunisation and that may require a third boost to get about another 25 per cent up [to adequate levels]," he said."

They should be under those with underlying health issues. I thought it was 7% effective against immunosuppressed.

"While NSW Health does not provide details on the specific conditions of patients who have died, a majority have had underlying health conditions, often serious."

Again that should be reflected in the CFR which stands at 50%.

from-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/why-a-small-number-of-fully-vaccinated-people-have-died-of-covid/100497770

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 7:33pm: Just to point out that it is from the same researcher in the same article as the numbers that you were quoting ? Very good. Go to the top of the class. leave your books you'll be back. So do you want me to reiterate? Just exactly what did the figures represent? I mean she apparently was asked about the 36 from 49 double vaxxed deaths and segued away from there immediately.

She directly addressed what it meant - not what you are saying.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:38pm:

She directly addressed what it meant - not what you are saying.

"They're dead. Some had underlying conditions. How sad. Next question"

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2021 at 8:51pm: No vaccination offers 100% protection. You can still get any virus you are vaccinated against. That's why heard immunity is so important. Herd immunity isn't going to happen with these vaccines.

not looking likely at this stage. Going to be more like the flu vaccine.

I'm curious to see how the new range of covid drugs that are beginning to come through will change anything. over the next few years...  If they work as promised, I foresee a stage where  vaccinations will be limited to those with weakened immune systems and the elderly. Everyone else will pop a pill when required.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:10pm:

I TOTALLY IGNORE "memes" - where no source URL is given for verification They're almost always FAKE

I REPEAT the statement - and I STAND BY the statement

Anyone with FACTUAL DATA to put on the table - has NO VALID JUSTIFICATION for converting said data to "meme" form - with the intention of making data VERY TIME CONSUMING to check or verify

ANYONE can knock up a meme - declaring anything they'd like it to
A cut and pasted government logo is no guarantee of ANYTHING

Conspiracy theorists and anti- vaxxers show lomg form
as PATHALOGICAL LIARS to the cause
Look no further than Sir Loose Screw

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:08pm:

Everyone else will pop a pill when required.

Evokes a deeply psychological instinct.

Ingestion over injection.

The reason why hypodermically delivered vaccines more likely require a mandate for universal acceptance, than does taking a pill.

This fear is also a vector for the con-artists of diets, vitamins and chemicals, (delivered as a pill or liquid), which are so widespread and effective in suspending incredulity.

Consider the long list of wildly popular alternatives to a hypodermically delivered vaccine to covid, dreamed up overnight, even without the benefit of evidential efficacy and even when recommended to be taken in gargantuan amounts.

EXPOSING THE FEAR-MONGERING LIES,
RELATING TO COVID 'Asymptomatic CARRIERS' OF THE COVID VIRUS.

They have to try to blame someone,
for all of the COVID deaths,
among the 'fully vaccinate' !!....


Asymptomatic Transmission | Planet Lockdown Film
4 min
First published at 07:30 UTC on November 25th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NbT3YpWexcJ8/




It isn't the healthy 'un-vaccinated' who are spreading the COVID virus infection.

It is the deadly contents of the COVID 'vaccines', themselves, which are 'spreading' the COVID infections [aka vaccine injuries].



In hospitals, it is the 'fully vaccinated', and the 'fully boostered', who are dying, IN HOSPITAL.

Dying,    'with COVID',    which has been coursing through their body, courtesy of the COVID 'vaccines'.
!!!!


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Dr. Charles Hoffe, MD - "The Clot Shot". [EDITED/ENHANCED/CAPTIONED]
38 min
First published at 05:11 UTC on October 31st, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LK69ZcD09CfK/


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Dr Peter McCullough Issues Emergency Warning The Spike Protein is Deadly in Humans
1 hr 09 min
First published at 08:58 UTC on November 6th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/A8RayJGCQgF8/




These are ALL worthy videos to watch.

Quote:

NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner has denounced misinformation spread by anti-vaxxers and overseas conspiracy theorists during a COVID press conference — and he didn't hold back. He took aim at "insane, unhinged stuff spreading online" from "people who have nothing better than to really make up lies about us, because their own lives are so small and so sad".

I like this bloke ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:11pm:

Quote: NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner has denounced misinformation spread by anti-vaxxers and overseas conspiracy theorists during a COVID press conference — and he didn't hold back. He took aim at "insane, unhinged stuff spreading online" from "people who have nothing better than to really make up lies about us, because their own lives are so small and so sad".

Yeah, Chief Minister Michael Gunner !!!!!!,    ....damn all of those 'inconsiderate' people who are spreading 'misinformation',
BY 'COINCIDENTALLY' DYING [or becoming seriously ill], soon after getting vaxxed.



The personal accounts of lots, and lots of dead and injured folks here.

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The COVID Blog
Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences.
https://thecovidblog.com

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https://thecovidblog.com/category/vaccine-deaths/

https://thecovidblog.com/category/vaccine-adverse-effects/

https://thecovidblog.com/category/virtue-signaling/

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