Well, stuff Scott Morrison!  I saw every bit of that exchange between Macron and the Media yesterday.  Macron had spear in hand and the very pointy end of it was right at the personal throat of Morrison, whom, in no uncertain terms, he called a liar. 
During that exchange, Macron handed out the usual diplomatic platitude of making the point that he has a fondness for Australia and Australians.  It was equally clear he had little to no fondness for a blatant liar.

Then over night what did I see.  I saw Morrison completely mischaracterise what Macron said.  He totally misrepresented what Macron said.  He verballed Macron.  He clearly asserted that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians.
No Morrison.  He did not. 

He certainly sledged the crap out of you very personally and very deliberately.  It was not accident and it certainly is no small thing.  He called you, Morrison a liar.  He did not, as you so falsely imply, make any adverse comment of any kind about Australia or Australians.  Quite the opposite.

Maybe you, Morrison, need to get back to some happy clapping and demonstrate some truly Christian values, one of which is honesty.

Morrison is an absolute disgrace.

And while he's out of the country, Beetrooter is the acting PM.

FFS, could it get any worse?   ::)

"Editorial: French whine shouldn’t be mistaken for truth"

"Mr Macron is a skilled politician who likes getting his own way.

And he also has an election around the corner.

His tough talk shouldn’t be mistaken with the truth. And the Prime Minister has our support in doing what it takes to keep our country safe."

https://thewest.com.au/politics/editorial-french-whine-shouldnt-be-mistaken-for-truth-c-4393524

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 3:08pm:

Well, stuff Scott Morrison!  I saw every bit of that exchange between Macron and the Media yesterday.  Macron had spear in hand and the very pointy end of it was right at the personal throat of Morrison, whom, in no uncertain terms, he called a liar.  During that exchange, Macron handed out the usual diplomatic platitude of making the point that he has a fondness for Australia and Australians.  It was equally clear he had little to no fondness for a blatant liar. Then over night what did I see.  I saw Morrison completely mischaracterise what Macron said.  He totally misrepresented what Macron said.  He verballed Macron.  He clearly asserted that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians. No Morrison.  He did not.  He certainly sledged the crap out of you very personally and very deliberately.  It was not accident and it certainly is no small thing.  He called you, Morrison a liar.  He did not, as you so falsely imply, make any adverse comment of any kind about Australia or Australians.  Quite the opposite. Maybe you, Morrison, need to get back to some happy clapping and demonstrate some truly Christian values, one of which is honesty.

Macron is pissed off because a French company with French government connivance has lost the opportunity to gouge the Australian  taxpayer over the submarine project.  The French thought they were the only game in town..they were wrong. ::)

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 3:51pm:

"Editorial: French whine shouldn’t be mistaken for truth" "Mr Macron is a skilled politician who likes getting his own way. And he also has an election around the corner. His tough talk shouldn’t be mistaken with the truth. And the Prime Minister has our support in doing what it takes to keep our country safe." https://thewest.com.au/politics/editorial-french-whine-shouldnt-be-mistaken-for-truth-c-4393524

Link is paywalled. No matter....it likely does not address my point.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 3:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 3:08pm: Well, stuff Scott Morrison!  I saw every bit of that exchange between Macron and the Media yesterday.  Macron had spear in hand and the very pointy end of it was right at the personal throat of Morrison, whom, in no uncertain terms, he called a liar.  During that exchange, Macron handed out the usual diplomatic platitude of making the point that he has a fondness for Australia and Australians.  It was equally clear he had little to no fondness for a blatant liar. Then over night what did I see.  I saw Morrison completely mischaracterise what Macron said.  He totally misrepresented what Macron said.  He verballed Macron.  He clearly asserted that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians. No Morrison.  He did not.  He certainly sledged the crap out of you very personally and very deliberately.  It was not accident and it certainly is no small thing.  He called you, Morrison a liar.  He did not, as you so falsely imply, make any adverse comment of any kind about Australia or Australians.  Quite the opposite. Maybe you, Morrison, need to get back to some happy clapping and demonstrate some truly Christian values, one of which is honesty. Macron is pissed off because a French company with French government connivance has lost the opportunity to gouge the Australian  taxpayer over the submarine project.  The French thought they were the only game in town..they were wrong. ::)

I don't care that Macron is pissed.  All I know is that I saw what he said when he said it.  He called Morrison a liar.  Clear as a bell.

Morrison proved Macron to be complete accurate in that description when Morrison asserted last night that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians.  Macron did not do that at all.  I saw it.  In fact, he did the exact opposite.

He sure did sledge Morrison very personally.  Nailed the prick.

You got anything better to add.

You're a traitorous imbecile having a bash at our PM over the PM of a foreign country who is clearly lying to cover their utter incompetence to meet specifics of a contract. What a pity we don't live in an age where feckless cV nts like you are marched to the nearest wall. I could just imagine what The Brigadier would say to traitorous scum like you.

"But the newly released letter appears to contradict some of the claims from the French government about assurances provided hours before the contract was scrapped."

"Le Drian said this suggested “someone lied”. He added: “Something doesn’t add up and we don’t know what.” "

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/02/australia-told-french-submarine-firm-it-didnt-have-green-light-to-proceed-hours-before-deal-cancelled

I will call it the Guardian this time. I don't want to butt hurt anyone.

It seems the lie was on the French side. Probably better to feign ignorance to Macaroon.

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 6:02pm:

"But the newly released letter appears to contradict some of the claims from the French government about assurances provided hours before the contract was scrapped." "Le Drian said this suggested “someone lied”. He added: “Something doesn’t add up and we don’t know what.” " https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/02/australia-told-french-submarine-firm-it-didnt-have-green-light-to-proceed-hours-before-deal-cancelled I will call it the Guardian this time. I don't want to butt hurt anyone. It seems the lie was on the French side. Probably better to feign ignorance to Macaroon.

Jayzuz....right before your very eyes is the evidence that Morrison lied.  Macron did not sledge Australia or Australians. Right there is the proof that Morrison lies which supports Macron's very clear call.

Address that and not raise horseshit not even Morrison seeks to refer to.

Aussie,
you love to over simplify anything to score a cheap political point.

France knew that Australia was unhappy with the sub deal for years.
The costs were piling up and we kept getting words but no action.

However - Australia is partially to blame -
we should have gone straight for the nuclear French subs
which were offered to us.
Instead we wanted a Frankenstein version with diesel engines
that couldn't do the job we needed.

It's just like the Seasprite helicopter -
another disaster that wasted $billions and ended up with nothing.
The Australian Govt. has been shown to be
incompetent for the last 50 years when
dealing with military purchases.

Diesel powered submarines? WOFTAM because they're gutless/inferior to nuclear powered.

Morrison was right to NOT go ahead with the silly deal. My question is this: Who kickstarted the silly deal in the first place?

Why get the French involved at all?

The French have nuclear powered submarines so their diesel versions are now defunct. Australia would have been dumped with inferior weapons which the French no longer needed.

NB Diesel submarines have been around since the early 1900's....over 110 years ago 😳

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:52pm:

Diesel powered submarines? WOFTAM because they're gutless/inferior to nuclear powered. Morrison was right to NOT go ahead with the silly deal. My question is this: Who kickstarted the silly deal in the first place? Why get the French involved at all? The French have nuclear powered submarines so their diesel versions are now defunct. Australia would have been dumped with inferior weapons which the French no longer needed. NB Diesel submarines have been around since the early 1900's....over 110 years ago 😳

We were offered nuclear powered subs but the Greenies and WOKE people wanted diesel ones.
The French were asked to build a nuclear power sub without a nuclear reactor and instead
put in diesel engines.
We have idiots running our Govt.

Malcolm bloody Turnbull was the PM when the so called 'deal of the century' was struck btwn Australia and France.

Terrible and costly mistake Turnbull!

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:44pm:

Aussie, you love to over simplify anything to score a cheap political point. France knew that Australia was unhappy with the sub deal for years. The costs were piling up and we kept getting words but no action. However - Australia is partially to blame - we should have gone straight for the nuclear French subs which were offered to us. Instead we wanted a Frankenstein version with diesel engines that couldn't do the job we needed. It's just like the Seasprite helicopter - another disaster that wasted $billions and ended up with nothing. The Australian Govt. has been shown to be incompetent for the last 50 years when dealing with military purchases.

At the time this was not an option. The French would probably have been happy to sell SSNs to us, but the political climate would not have allowed it. Now however, the Chinese problem has changed the game considerably and the unprecedented decision by the US to allow the nuclear technology transfer has made SSNs a reality for the RAN. 

Morrison is an absolute disgrace.

Anyone who defends him should hang their head in shame.

And, let's not forget: he was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 7:44pm: Aussie, you love to over simplify anything to score a cheap political point. France knew that Australia was unhappy with the sub deal for years. The costs were piling up and we kept getting words but no action. However - Australia is partially to blame - we should have gone straight for the nuclear French subs which were offered to us. Instead we wanted a Frankenstein version with diesel engines that couldn't do the job we needed. It's just like the Seasprite helicopter - another disaster that wasted $billions and ended up with nothing. The Australian Govt. has been shown to be incompetent for the last 50 years when dealing with military purchases. At the time this was not an option. The French would probably have been happy to sell SSNs to us, but the political climate would not have allowed it. Now however, the Chinese problem has changed the game considerably and the unprecedented decision by the US to allow the nuclear technology transfer has made SSNs a reality for the RAN.

Yep. The context has changed dramatically.

I think Scomo was placed in a difficult position by changing global circumstances. I seriously wish that Malcolm Turnbull had not proceeded with said deal in the first place. Essentially Scomo was expected to reverse his predecessor's poor decision which seemed a goer at the time.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:04pm:

Malcolm bloody Turnbull was the PM when the so called 'deal of the century' was struck btwn Australia and France. Terrible and costly mistake Turnbull!

Turnbull was controlled by the Greenies and WOKE people.

Morrison is an absolute disgrace.

Anyone who defends him should hang their (empty) head in shame.

And, let's not forget: he was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 8:04pm: Malcolm bloody Turnbull was the PM when the so called 'deal of the century' was struck btwn Australia and France. Terrible and costly mistake Turnbull! Turnbull was controlled by the Greenies and WOKE people.

Yes Bobby. Isn't it terrible when a person who is meant to be in charge ....is in fact beholden to others. Said others who feel they should call the shots as they see fit.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 7:44pm: Aussie, you love to over simplify anything to score a cheap political point. France knew that Australia was unhappy with the sub deal for years. The costs were piling up and we kept getting words but no action. However - Australia is partially to blame - we should have gone straight for the nuclear French subs which were offered to us. Instead we wanted a Frankenstein version with diesel engines that couldn't do the job we needed. It's just like the Seasprite helicopter - another disaster that wasted $billions and ended up with nothing. The Australian Govt. has been shown to be incompetent for the last 50 years when dealing with military purchases. At the time this was not an option. The French would probably have been happy to sell SSNs to us, but the political climate would not have allowed it. Now however, the Chinese problem has changed the game considerably and the unprecedented decision by the US to allow the nuclear technology transfer has made SSNs a reality for the RAN.

It was always an option to have nuclear powered subs.
Diesel ones go back to WW1 - just old technology.
They would never survive in a real war when they
would have to put a snorkel up every day or 2
for a long time to get air to run the motors to
recharge the batteries.
They would be found and destroyed.
It would be a suicide mission.
How could you expect anyone to work inside one of them?
They have always had a lot of trouble finding recruits.

Morrison is an absolute disgrace.

Anyone who defends him should hang their head in shame.

And, let's not forget: he was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 8:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 7:44pm: Aussie, you love to over simplify anything to score a cheap political point. France knew that Australia was unhappy with the sub deal for years. The costs were piling up and we kept getting words but no action. However - Australia is partially to blame - we should have gone straight for the nuclear French subs which were offered to us. Instead we wanted a Frankenstein version with diesel engines that couldn't do the job we needed. It's just like the Seasprite helicopter - another disaster that wasted $billions and ended up with nothing. The Australian Govt. has been shown to be incompetent for the last 50 years when dealing with military purchases. At the time this was not an option. The French would probably have been happy to sell SSNs to us, but the political climate would not have allowed it. Now however, the Chinese problem has changed the game considerably and the unprecedented decision by the US to allow the nuclear technology transfer has made SSNs a reality for the RAN.  It was always an option to have nuclear powered subs. Diesel ones go back to WW1 - just old technology. They would never survive in a real war when they would have to put a snorkel up every day or 2 for a long time to get air to run the motors to recharge the batteries. They would be found and destroyed. It would be a suicide mission. How could you expect anyone to work inside one of them? They have always had a lot of trouble finding recruits.

Diesel subs go back to before WW1.

Nuclear subs go back to 1955.

What gets me is that France itself uses nuclear subs. But its antiquated diesel subs were going to be offloaded to Australia. Thank God that stupid deal has been axed!

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

Morrison is an absolute disgrace. Anyone who defends him should hang their head in shame. And, let's not forget: he was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud.

Anyone who was found guilty of theft and fraud could
never be an MP yet alone a Prime Minister.

Morriscum lied and is continuing to lie.

But NO ONE should be surprised by this stage. Morriscum hasn't stopped lying since he won office. If you've failed to see it the fault is yours not his.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 8:24pm: Morrison is an absolute disgrace. Anyone who defends him should hang their head in shame. And, let's not forget: he was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud. Anyone who was found guilty of theft and fraud could never be an MP yet alone a Prime Minister.

True.

That doesn't change the fact that Morrison was sacked from his last job for theft & fraud though.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:

Diesel subs go back to before WW1. Nuclear subs go back to 1955. What gets me is that France itself uses nuclear subs. But its antiquated diesel subs were going to be offloaded to Australia. Thank God that stupid deal has been axed!

There was no offloading - they were to be built from scratch.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 8:37pm: Diesel subs go back to before WW1. Nuclear subs go back to 1955. What gets me is that France itself uses nuclear subs. But its antiquated diesel subs were going to be offloaded to Australia. Thank God that stupid deal has been axed! There was no offloading - they were to be built from scratch.

Makes one wonder but yes it appears that you're right.

This is an interesting read.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/australia-dumps-french-submarine-deal-for-us-nuclear-fleet/

Blah blah bloody blah.

I did not start the Thread to discuss the pros and cons of the sub.  This is about an arsehole bare faced lying to Australia, and it seems to the President of France.  The latter is not yet established as proven. The former is.

Morrison looked down the lens of the camera and told us that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians.  Macron did not.  It is a simple as that.  In fact, the opposite was the case.

Morrison is now a proven lying arsehole and thinks that people will buy his garbage.  It seems some in this Thread are at least favourably eyeing in his mendacious trash.

It's like the alleged belief of Humpty's that he could walk down the main street of New York shooting people and the idiots of the Planet would find some excuse for him.

Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point?

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:38pm:

Blah blah bloody blah. I did not start the Thread to discuss the pros and cons of the sub.  This is about an arsehole bare faced lying to Australia, and it seems to the President of France.  The latter is not yet established as proven. The former is. Morrison looked down the lens of the camera and told us that Macron had sledged Australia and Australians.  Macron did not.  It is a simple as that.  In fact, the opposite was the case. Morrison is now a proven lying arsehole and thinks that people will buy his garbage.  It seems some in this Thread are at least favourably eyeing in his mendacious trash. It's like the alleged belief of Humpty's that he could walk down the main street of New York shooting people and the idiots of the Planet would find some excuse for him. Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point?

Aussie,
you're a simpleton - all politicians are professional liars.
When is the last time ScoMo ever answered a question in parliament?
If you ask him a question about the Libbos he talks about Labor's record.
It's all a complete farce and has always been like that.
I have lost faith in our political system.

We live in a one party communist state with 2 branches:
Labor and Liberal.
Their policies are basically the same.

Recently due to Covid we were less free
than the people in North Korea.

Quote:

Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point?

Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag?

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag?

All politicians are professional liars.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag?

I know you asked Bubby that question but IMO...Morrison corrected a mistake made by a former PM back in 2016 AND his response also considered Australia's position given a serious change in global circumstances since 2016.

You do get that we're mobilising for war....yes?

Macron just needs to get over it. France itself is using nuclear powered subs.

WTF uses 110 yr old diesel powered sub technology ffs?

These are the contextual issues which must be considered Aussie.

And context is everything.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:38pm:

This is about an arsehole bare faced lying to Australia, and it seems to the President of France.  The latter is not yet established as proven. The former is.

Poor petal. Can't tell lies from the real thing. Macaroon is telling lies.

The FOI release shows there was no continuation of the project. So the French couldn't have read that Australia was happy and the project was continuing. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars.

I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 10:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar.

Of course he's a liar - they are all liars.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 11:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 10:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar. Of course he's a liar - they are all liars.

That's better.  So...what say ye about his claim to be a God fearing happy clapping Christian?  Should you be sending him some warnings that the end is nigh and that he should repent before its too late.

“Oh, he’s lied to me on many occasions,” Mr Turnbull said when journalists asked him about the events on the sidelines of the summit.

“Scott has always had a reputation for telling lies.”

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 10:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar.

He is a happy clapper isn't he

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:35am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 10:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar. He is a happy clapper isn't he Spot

He is, but I don't think his heart is in it.

I think it's all for show.

Similar to this guy:

https://i.imgflip.com/43nnn4.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:24am:

“Oh, he’s lied to me on many occasions,” Mr Turnbull said when journalists asked him about the events on the sidelines of the summit. “Scott has always had a reputation for telling lies.”

So an ex-politician says politicians lie. Well done. Now all he has to do is declare himself Persil. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The document that shows Macaroon lies

https://defence.gov.au/FOI/Docs/Disclosures/147_2122_Documents.pdf

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 11:16pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 10:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar. Of course he's a liar - they are all liars. That's better.  So...what say ye about his claim to be a God fearing happy clapping Christian?  Should you be sending him some warnings that the end is nigh and that he should repent before its too late.

Unless ScoMo truly repents he won't go to heaven.

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 12:38pm:

The document that shows Macaroon lies https://defence.gov.au/FOI/Docs/Disclosures/147_2122_Documents.pdf

How does that prove Macron lied.  What did he lie about?  He said that he knew Morrison lied.  What lie of Morrison was Macron referring to?

In any event, I could not give a flying fuq about Macron.  This is about the proven lie of Australian PM Morrison....contrary to the assertion of Morrison, Macron did not sledge Australia or Australians.

Do you accept that?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 12:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 10:10am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 11:16pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 10:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2021 at 9:46pm: Quote: Morrison is a now a proven lying scum bag.  Is anyone going to argue that  point? Bubby...are you accepting that Morrison is a proven lying scum bag, a God fearing happy clapping Christian lying scumbag? All politicians are professional liars. I am not asking you about professional liars.  I have asked you to tell me if you now regard Morrison the person as a blatant liar. Of course he's a liar - they are all liars. That's better.  So...what say ye about his claim to be a God fearing happy clapping Christian?  Should you be sending him some warnings that the end is nigh and that he should repent before its too late. Unless ScoMo truly repents he won't go to heaven.

He'll probably go to Hawaii again though.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5MT3H0UcAIJnem.jpg

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:52pm:

Diesel powered submarines? WOFTAM because they're gutless/inferior to nuclear powered. Morrison was right to NOT go ahead with the silly deal. My question is this: Who kickstarted the silly deal in the first place? Why get the French involved at all? The French have nuclear powered submarines so their diesel versions are now defunct. Australia would have been dumped with inferior weapons which the French no longer needed. NB Diesel submarines have been around since the early 1900's....over 110 years ago 😳

Until they design a reactor that is small enough and quiet enough, there will always be a need for diesel /electric submarines.

"Macron did not sledge Australia or Australians."

"Mr Macron, cornered by Australian journalists at the G20 summit in Rome, took aim at the Morrison government’s decision to scrap a $50 billion contract for French submarines and instead plan nuclear-powered boats with the United States and United Kingdom.

“I think this is detrimental to the reputation of your country and your Prime Minister,” the French president said."

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/01/great-shame-macron-morrison/

Yep. No sledge there. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Scott Morrison is an Australia - he was sledged. ;)

"The extraordinary moment French President Emmanuel Macron accuses Prime Minister Scott Morrison of lying to him. We approached President Macron on the sidelines of the G20."

Nope no sledge there just an outright accusation of lying. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Spot

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lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 2:21pm:

"Macron did not sledge Australia or Australians." "Mr Macron, cornered by Australian journalists at the G20 summit in Rome, took aim at the Morrison government’s decision to scrap a $50 billion contract for French submarines and instead plan nuclear-powered boats with the United States and United Kingdom. “I think this is detrimental to the reputation of your country and your Prime Minister,” the French president said." https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/01/great-shame-macron-morrison/ Yep. No sledge there. ;D ;D ;D ;D Scott Morrison is an Australia - he was sledged. ;) "The extraordinary moment French President Emmanuel Macron accuses Prime Minister Scott Morrison of lying to him. We approached President Macron on the sidelines of the G20." Nope no sledge there just an outright accusation of lying. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Correct.

Morrison is an Australian.  He is not Australians and he is not Australia.

Do I really have to point such banal stuff out?

I guess I do to a liberal hack.

Nifty read.

Link.


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To be clear: Macron had not sledged Australians generally. He had sledged Morrison personally. (“I have a lot of respect for your country,” Macron said. “I have a lot of respect – and a lot of friendship – for your people.”) It is typical of Morrison to turn a legitimate criticism into a platform to patriotically beat his own chest, but it’s certainly not going to help Australian foreign relations, which he continues to undermine on a daily basis.

And, indeed, to this lovely kick in the Morrison nuts:


Quote:

Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials, the implication being put around by Morrison’s office is that both the “ageing” US president and the “sledging” French president messed up, while Morrison was pure as the driven snow. No wonder world leaders keep ignoring him at public events.

Pariah.

from your reference -

"The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)"

You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” "



Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials

So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::)

What a dill you are. ;)

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 12:38pm:

The document that shows Macaroon lies https://defence.gov.au/FOI/Docs/Disclosures/147_2122_Documents.pdf

it does no such thing

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 5:08pm:

from your reference - "The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)" You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” " Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 4:48pm: Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::) What a dill you are. ;)

there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 4:04pm:

lee wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 2:21pm: "Macron did not sledge Australia or Australians." "Mr Macron, cornered by Australian journalists at the G20 summit in Rome, took aim at the Morrison government’s decision to scrap a $50 billion contract for French submarines and instead plan nuclear-powered boats with the United States and United Kingdom. “I think this is detrimental to the reputation of your country and your Prime Minister,” the French president said." https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/01/great-shame-macron-morrison/ Yep. No sledge there. ;D ;D ;D ;D Scott Morrison is an Australia - he was sledged. ;) "The extraordinary moment French President Emmanuel Macron accuses Prime Minister Scott Morrison of lying to him. We approached President Macron on the sidelines of the G20." Nope no sledge there just an outright accusation of lying. ;D ;D ;D ;D Correct. Morrison is an Australian.  He is not Australians and he is not Australia. Do I really have to point such banal stuff out? I guess I do to a liberal hack.

\\

The meaning is quite clear...'detrimental to the reputation of your country'  Nothing ambiguous about that. Your wishing it does not make it so. ::)

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:38pm:

lee wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 5:08pm: from your reference - "The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)" You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” " Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 4:48pm: Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::) What a dill you are. ;) there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled.

There was no contract to cancel. The French were well aware of this.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:38pm: lee wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 5:08pm: from your reference - "The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)" You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” " Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 4:48pm: Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::) What a dill you are. ;) there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled. There was no contract to cancel. The French were well aware of this.

Sure there was ... the PM of the day even had a big media announcement to let everyone know back when the french won it.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:38pm:

there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled.

And?

"Naval Group had been aware since late last year that a decision to start the next phase of work would be subject to further government consideration."

"Canberra signaled in June it was looking for a way out of the contract, signed in 2016 with French company DCNS (now known as Naval Group) to build 12 Barracuda submarines.

Questioned by a Senate committee about issues with the project, Australia's Defense Secretary Greg Moriarty said: "It became clear to me we were having challenges ... over the last 15 to 12 months." He said his government had been considering its options, including what it could do if it was "unable to proceed" with the French deal.

Moriarty's admission came after his government in April refused to sign a contract for the next phase of the French submarine project, giving Naval Group until this month to comply with its demands. There were reports dating back to the beginning of this year that Canberra was seeking to walk away."


Naval Group is the French Connection.

Poor petal. What was it the French said again?

Oh that's right they were shocked. They had been told Australia was happy.

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:38pm: there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled. And? "Naval Group had been aware since late last year that a decision to start the next phase of work would be subject to further government consideration." "Canberra signaled in June it was looking for a way out of the contract, signed in 2016 with French company DCNS (now known as Naval Group) to build 12 Barracuda submarines. Questioned by a Senate committee about issues with the project, Australia's Defense Secretary Greg Moriarty said: "It became clear to me we were having challenges ... over the last 15 to 12 months." He said his government had been considering its options, including what it could do if it was "unable to proceed" with the French deal. Moriarty's admission came after his government in April refused to sign a contract for the next phase of the French submarine project, giving Naval Group until this month to comply with its demands. There were reports dating back to the beginning of this year that Canberra was seeking to walk away." Naval Group is the French Connection. Poor petal. What was it the French said again? Oh that's right they were shocked. They had been told Australia was happy.

What are you saying.  None of that amounts to clear Notice to the French to Remedy any Breach.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:31pm:

None of that amounts to clear Notice to the French to Remedy any Breach.

They have been in breach. I haven't seen where they were entitled to any such notice. Did the French raise it?

They were way behind on contract. What would you have them do push it out anther 6 months and hope the catch up?

It would be good to see our gay media stick up for our leaders once in a while when it comes to foreign affairs, They would be put on trial and shot in China and lynched in other countries.

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:31pm:   None of that amounts to clear Notice to the French to Remedy any Breach. They have been in breach. I haven't seen where they were entitled to any such notice. Did the French raise it? They were way behind on contract. What would you have them do push it out anther 6 months and hope the catch up?

In the ordinary course of Contract Law it is usual for a termination to follow a Notice to Remedy Breach.

The French are always upset in October - anniversaries of Agincourt and Trafalgar.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:44pm:

In the ordinary course of Contract Law it is usual for a termination to follow a Notice to Remedy Breach.

Usually, but not necessarily. And yet there have been no screams of abuse of process for Breach of Notice provisions.

So what you have is a half-arsed supposition where you do not know all the facts. ::)

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 10:44pm: In the ordinary course of Contract Law it is usual for a termination to follow a Notice to Remedy Breach. Usually, but not necessarily. And yet there have been no screams of abuse of process for Breach of Notice provisions. So what you have is a half-arsed supposition where you do not know all the facts. ::)

And of course, you know all the facts, ey lee?

I can only speak from what is known, proven, and that is....Morrison is a blatant liar, something you are yet to address properly, or at all.

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 2:09pm:

And of course, you know all the facts, ey lee?

No petal. I reckon I don't know half. But you are so certain. ;)
Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 2:09pm:

I can only speak from what is known, proven, and that is....Morrison is a blatant liar, something you are yet to address properly, or at all.

So you don't think Macron is a blatant liar? That's telling that is.

Macron is a liar, Turnbull is a liar and Scomo is a liar. But you can tell the difference. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are a dill.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 2:09pm: And of course, you know all the facts, ey lee? No petal. I reckon I don't know half. But you are so certain. ;) Aussie wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 2:09pm: I can only speak from what is known, proven, and that is....Morrison is a blatant liar, something you are yet to address properly, or at all. So you don't think Macron is a blatant liar? That's telling that is. Macron is a liar, Turnbull is a liar and Scomo is a liar. But you can tell the difference. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are a dill.

So, you agree.  The OP establishes beyond shadow of doubt that Morrison is a liar?

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

The OP establishes beyond shadow of doubt that Morrison is a liar?

nope. Did Macaroon really have a spear pointed at Scomos throat? ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 2:33pm: The OP establishes beyond shadow of doubt that Morrison is a liar? nope. Did Macaroon really have a spear pointed at Scomos throat? ;D ;D ;D ;D

You ain't worth communicating with.

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 3:32pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 2:37pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 2:33pm: The OP establishes beyond shadow of doubt that Morrison is a liar? nope. Did Macaroon really have a spear pointed at Scomos throat? ;D ;D ;D ;D You ain't worth communicating with.

So that was a lie then. Why should we believe any of it? Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

Bill Shorten:

"Mr Morrison was like a school kid during show & tell, but he had nothing to show and nothing to tell".

Lol   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

Bill Shorten:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 4:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 4:38pm: Bill Shorten: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He nailed it though:

"Mr Morrison was like a school kid during show & tell, but he had nothing to show and nothing to tell".

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 4:54pm:

He nailed it though:

Yeah they tell me he is pretty good at nailing women, men i haven't heard about. ;)

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:38pm: there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled. And? "Naval Group had been aware since late last year that a decision to start the next phase of work would be subject to further government consideration." "Canberra signaled in June it was looking for a way out of the contract, signed in 2016 with French company DCNS (now known as Naval Group) to build 12 Barracuda submarines. Questioned by a Senate committee about issues with the project, Australia's Defense Secretary Greg Moriarty said: "It became clear to me we were having challenges ... over the last 15 to 12 months." He said his government had been considering its options, including what it could do if it was "unable to proceed" with the French deal. Moriarty's admission came after his government in April refused to sign a contract for the next phase of the French submarine project, giving Naval Group until this month to comply with its demands. There were reports dating back to the beginning of this year that Canberra was seeking to walk away." Naval Group is the French Connection. Poor petal. What was it the French said again? Oh that's right they were shocked. They had been told Australia was happy.

I know you're impressed by what you posted, afterall, you're an idiot ..... but do you realise that proves absolutely nothing? There is a difference between requiring approval for the next stage, and cancelling the contract

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:31am:

The French are always upset in October - anniversaries of Agincourt and Trafalgar.

😂🤣😆

I love your work 💯

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:44pm:

There is a difference between requiring approval for the next stage, and cancelling the contract

Do you want me to copy and paste the cancellation the GUARDIAN  reported on here as well? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just for you -

"Australia told French submarine firm it didn’t have green light to proceed hours before deal cancelled"

"The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, has said he informed the French president, Emmanuel Macron, of the decision to terminate the contract a few hours later – about 8.35pm Canberra time (12.35pm, Paris time).

Morrison said he had been unable to secure a call “and so I directly messaged him Australia’s decision in a personal correspondence”. French officials have suggested that Morrison’s office made only half-hearted efforts to inform Macron of its decision beforehand."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/02/australia-told-french-submarine-firm-it-didnt-have-green-light-to-proceed-hours-before-deal-cancelled

Of course French spies, you know they have them in Australia don't you, would have been all over it, because Canberra leaks like a sieve. So Macraroon could have made himself scarce knowing what was going to happen. Then he has plausible deniability. ;)

As I posted on the other thread - how long a lead time should he have given them? ::)

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:44pm: There is a difference between requiring approval for the next stage, and cancelling the contract Do you want me to copy and paste the cancellation the GUARDIAN  reported on here as well? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Better still....post the notice of cancellation.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:44pm: There is a difference between requiring approval for the next stage, and cancelling the contract Do you want me to copy and paste the cancellation the GUARDIAN  reported on here as well? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd say yes but I suspect you're going to be in for more disappointment once you do  ...

what the hell, I enjoy show casing your stupidity, put it up

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:36pm:

Better still....post the notice of cancellation.

Poor petal. Now you want something that isn't in the public domain. You really are desperate. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:40pm:

I'd say yes but I suspect you're going to be in for more disappointment once you do  ... what the hell, I enjoy show casing your stupidity, put it up

Already done petal. I edited my post just for you.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Poor petal. Now you want something that isn't in the public domain. You really are desperate.

no, desperate is you continually claiming the contract was indeed cancelled, when you admit you have not seen any evidence of it

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:49pm:

no, desperate is you continually claiming the contract was indeed cancelled, when you admit you have not seen any evidence of it

Poor petal. The French were miffed because he didn't try hard enough to deliver it earlier. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:49pm: no, desperate is you continually claiming the contract was indeed cancelled, when you admit you have not seen any evidence of it Poor petal. The French were miffed because he didn't try hard enough to deliver it earlier. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I really don't care what the french do ...

Scummo LIED. And you were stupid enough to believe him  ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:55pm:

Scummo LIED. And you were stupid enough to believe him  Grin Grin

You were the one complaining about not cancelling the contract petal. Have you forgotten already? ::)

Is Lee Clive Palmers bumhole cleaner?

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:55pm: Scummo LIED. And you were stupid enough to believe him  Grin Grin You were the one complaining about not cancelling the contract petal. Have you forgotten already? ::)

;D ;D ;D

run away dopey. And the next time try not to get caught with your pants down

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:40pm: I'd say yes but I suspect you're going to be in for more disappointment once you do  ... what the hell, I enjoy show casing your stupidity, put it up Already done petal. I edited my post just for you.

your edit shows NOTHING

Poor petal. So lost he can't even keep his lies straight. You mean the French got upset that he didn't cancel the contract? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Go away troll.

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/08/05/22/11/troll-2586060__340.jpg

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Poor petal. So lost he can't even keep his lies straight. ;D ;D ;D ;D Go away troll.

you really should post your family photos on this forum Lee.

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:37pm:

you really should post your family photos on this forum Lee.

Oh dear reduced to a juvenile tanty. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But I posted yours.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:36pm: Better still....post the notice of cancellation. Poor petal. Now you want something that isn't in the public domain. You really are desperate. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So the Guardian has SFA as well.

Aussie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

So the Guardian has SFA as well.

Much more than you. Hurts?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:37pm: you really should post your family photos on this forum Lee. Oh dear reduced to a juvenile tanty. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But I posted yours.

you don't have access to mine. t can only be yours.

(let me guess, you don't consider posting images of trolls as juvenile,right?   :D :D :D ʞɔnɟ you're a moron)

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

you don't have access to mine.

You're right. And I wont post mine even though you apparently want me to. ;)

Did you actually read what YOU posted? I suspect not.

"you really should post your family photos on this forum Lee."

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:37pm: you really should post your family photos on this forum Lee. Oh dear reduced to a juvenile tanty. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But I posted yours.

Hi Lee, does Clive pay you well?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:28pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:22pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:38pm: lee wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 5:08pm: from your reference - "The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)" You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” " Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 4:48pm: Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::) What a dill you are. ;) there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled. There was no contract to cancel. The French were well aware of this. Sure there was ... the PM of the day even had a big media announcement to let everyone know back when the french won it.

There was not a contract for the whole project, rather a series of separate contracts for various stages, with no guarantees. This video explains it well. Skip to 58:40 for the details.

Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw

Belgarion wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 9:27pm:

Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw

It changes nothing.  Plain and simple fact is....Morrison lied.  See the OP.

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 10:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 9:27pm: Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw It changes nothing.  Plain and simple fact is....Morrison lied.  See the OP.

As I said earlier in this thread, your wishing does not make it so.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 8:32am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 10:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 9:27pm: Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw It changes nothing.  Plain and simple fact is....Morrison lied.  See the OP. As I said earlier in this thread, your wishing does not make it so.

Ok, show me where Macron sledged Australians and Australia.  If you can, you'll be the only person on the Planet to do so.

Aussie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:32am: Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 10:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 9:27pm: Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw It changes nothing.  Plain and simple fact is....Morrison lied.  See the OP. As I said earlier in this thread, your wishing does not make it so. Ok, show me where Macron sledged Australians and Australia.  If you can, you'll be the only person on the Planet to do so.

Easy: ".......because I think it's a very bad news for credibility of Australia and a very bad news for the trust that great partners can have with the Australians.

"I think this is detrimental to the reputation of your country and your Prime Minister."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/french-macron-accuses-morrison-of-lying-submarine-contract/100584196

Now, show me where Morrison was lying...

Belgarion wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 11:27am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:47am: Belgarion wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:32am: Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 10:15pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 9:27pm: Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw It changes nothing.  Plain and simple fact is....Morrison lied.  See the OP. As I said earlier in this thread, your wishing does not make it so. Ok, show me where Macron sledged Australians and Australia.  If you can, you'll be the only person on the Planet to do so. Easy: ".......because I think it's a very bad news for credibility of Australia and a very bad news for the trust that great partners can have with the Australians. "I think this is detrimental to the reputation of your country and your Prime Minister." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/french-macron-accuses-morrison-of-lying-submarine-contract/100584196 Now, show me where Morrison was lying...

Where  is the sledging of Australia and Australians.  Merely because they are mentioned is not a personal insult to either. What Morrison did DOES impact on the credibility of Australia (under Morrison's leadership) and does impact on whether international leaders can 'trust' anything which comes from this Country's PM.

But, pointing that out to you is, I know, a complete waste of time.

Aussie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 1:43pm:

Where  is the sledging of Australia and Australians.  Merely because they are mentioned is not a personal insult to either. What Morrison did DOES impact on the credibility of Australia (under Morrison's leadership) and does impact on whether international leaders can 'trust' anything which comes from this Country's PM. But, pointing that out to you is, I know, a complete waste of time.

I see you have nothing.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 11:04am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:28pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:22pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:38pm: lee wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 5:08pm: from your reference - "The Tele proposed that the text message from Macron (“Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?”) somehow proved that he had been told that Australia was cancelling its submarine contract – and that the Frenchman “just didn’t want to hear it”. It proved nothing of the sort, and there was no evidence to support this contention other than the single text message and the assertions of “sources familiar with talks between the two men”. (Gee, who could they be?)" You mean excluding the fact the Department of Defence letter expilictly states - "The matters addressed in this correspondence do not provide any authorisation to continue work or for the reimbursement of that work under CWS1 [Core Work Scope 1], other than in accordance with References A, B and C.” " Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 4:48pm: Again, for clarity’s sake: quite apart from the leaking of confidential materials So you are saying that the President of the USA is not cleared to CONFIDENTIAL? What was confidential? The supplier? The work done? ::) What a dill you are. ;) there is a HUGE difference between not authorizing approval to commence the next stage, and notifying them that the contract is cancelled. There was no contract to cancel. The French were well aware of this. Sure there was ... the PM of the day even had a big media announcement to let everyone know back when the french won it. There was not a contract for the whole project, rather a series of separate contracts for various stages, with no guarantees. This video explains it well. Skip to 58:40 for the details.

Irrelevant if it was drawn up in stages or not. Everyone was told they won the contract and would be supplying our submarines. The announcemnt was not that they had won the right to design a submarine.

The company had the right to know, before it was publicly announced, that the govt. was no longer going to proceed with them in the remainder of the contract. Apart from it being good diplomacy, it's the decent thing to do. The company would have been gearing up for the next stage, employing people, buying equipment etc ....

John Smith wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 5:09pm:

Irrelevant if it was drawn up in stages or not. Everyone was told they won the contract and would be supplying our submarines. The announcemnt was not that they had won the right to design a submarine. The company had the right to know, before it was publicly announced, that the govt. was no longer going to proceed with them in the remainder of the contract. Apart from it being good diplomacy, it's the decent thing to do. The company would have been gearing up for the next stage, employing people, buying equipment etc ....

"Everyone was told" is not a contract. Naval Group was well aware of the stages involved and that there was no guarantee of future contracts. I know a few people involved with Naval Group and they were very frustrated by the lack of urgency (for want of a better word) on the French side for getting things done. 

As I said before, the French thought they were the only game in town and we would have to dance to their tune. Now they have discovered otherwise they are spitting the dummy. 

Belgarion wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 5:09pm: Irrelevant if it was drawn up in stages or not. Everyone was told they won the contract and would be supplying our submarines. The announcemnt was not that they had won the right to design a submarine. The company had the right to know, before it was publicly announced, that the govt. was no longer going to proceed with them in the remainder of the contract. Apart from it being good diplomacy, it's the decent thing to do. The company would have been gearing up for the next stage, employing people, buying equipment etc .... "Everyone was told" is not a contract. Naval Group was well aware of the stages involved and that there was no guarantee of future contracts. I know a few people involved with Naval Group and they were very frustrated by the lack of urgency (for want of a better word) on the French side for getting things done.  As I said before, the French thought they were the only game in town and we would have to dance to their tune. Now they have discovered otherwise they are spitting the dummy.

Sure it is and Mimo will be in court to back the French in their lawsuit...