After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this...

Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders.

Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski...

At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s

the shill is struggling to cope is he?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

the shill is struggling to cope is he?

What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support.

As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode.

And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah.

there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D

jordan is a very serious guy
very deep
very pessimistic.

i'm not sure that he is very mentally healthy at the moment
he seems to have aged terribly.

i think this podcast made me realise jordan is pissing against the wind, trying to influence the polarised paradigm with serious examination.

i think the playful, cheeky and very astute Micheal malice

"gets it"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9HqHzA3atQ&t=2211s

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D

It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. Not that you have a positive agenda. You are both snarling bozos, always on the lookout for a sneer.  What have YOU ever achieved?  Nothing. Carping - that's all you have to show for yourselves.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:27pm:

jordan is a very serious guy very deep very pessimistic. i'm not sure that he is very mentally healthy at the moment

He is to be giving a speech at Oxford soon.

I can't imagine Oxford academics wanting to be anywhere near him in the state he's in.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:34pm:

It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for.

whose life has he turned around? Apart from his dealers that is ... I'm sure he made a lot of money from Peterson

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. Not that you have a positive agenda. You are both snarling bozos, always on the lookout for a sneer.  What have YOU ever achieved?  Nothing. Carping - that's all you have to show for yourselves.

Geee... projection much, Ungulate?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:27pm: jordan is a very serious guy very deep very pessimistic. i'm not sure that he is very mentally healthy at the moment He is to be giving a speech at Oxford soon. I can't imagine Oxford academics wanting to be anywhere near him in the state he's in.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Oxford academics the state they are in. Or have been in the last 40 years.

And I know whereof I speak.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:27pm: jordan is a very serious guy very deep very pessimistic. i'm not sure that he is very mentally healthy at the moment He is to be giving a speech at Oxford soon. I can't imagine Oxford academics wanting to be anywhere near him in the state he's in. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Oxford academics the state they are in. Or have been in the last 40 years. And I know whereof I speak.

Well, that's not Peterson's opinion, who considers it a great honour.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. Not that you have a positive agenda. You are both snarling bozos, always on the lookout for a sneer.  What have YOU ever achieved?  Nothing. Carping - that's all you have to show for yourselves. Geee... projection much, Ungulate?

We are not in the Ukraine any more, Toto.
Update.  Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:40pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:36pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. Not that you have a positive agenda. You are both snarling bozos, always on the lookout for a sneer.  What have YOU ever achieved?  Nothing. Carping - that's all you have to show for yourselves. Geee... projection much, Ungulate? We are not in the Ukraine any more, Toto. Update.  Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

Come on, Frank &etc...

A cocksucker, snarling bozo looking for a sneer, who's achieved nothing, hobby: carping...

That'd be your CV.

You carp and sneer.

That's the domain of Smiff, gweggy, Bwian et al.

Rise above, you are more intelligent than that.

Aren't you?  Prove me wrong.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

You carp and sneer. That's the domain of Smiff, gweggy, Bwian et al. Rise above, you are more intelligent than that. Aren't you?  Prove me wrong.

Hitting the turps early eh?

Is your wife off on one of his midweek benders?

I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah.

Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great.
People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span.

He has some mental health issues, but so does 50 percent of the community.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:48pm:

I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span.

I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor.

The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D

Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue.

rhino wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:50pm:

He has some mental health issues, but so does 50 percent of the community.

Yes...

His years of practising clinical psychology has left him scarred.

Today's clip makes me wonder if he's posing as a Christian messianic icon, 'suffering for all mankind'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor. The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today.

Sure, he's not at his best. Just remember he has some serious autoimmune issues so don't be a ctvn and rejoice his ill health.

Have a listen to some of his Harvard lectures, when he was an associate professor there. Very interesting guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Bu7oCB8_k

rhino wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue.

Jordon Peterson was an associate professor at Harvard, is a clinical psychologist.
John is a house painter.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:58pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor. The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today. Sure, he's not at his best. Just remember he has some serious autoimmune issues so don't be a ctvn and rejoice his ill health. Have a listen to some of his Harvard lectures, when he was an associate professor there. Very interesting guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Bu7oCB8_k

Yes, I know.

Unfortunately, in Toronto's academic world he's considered an embarrassment to the point that one of his sizable financial contributions made recently there to a childs' welfare charity was returned.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. whose life has he turned around? Apart from his dealers that is ... I'm sure he made a lot of money from Peterson

No. he's clearly had a dramatic effect on many lives.

He can't leave his house without being approached and thanked by many for his help.

It overwhelms him, and causes him to break down in tears.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:02pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:58pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor. The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today. Sure, he's not at his best. Just remember he has some serious autoimmune issues so don't be a ctvn and rejoice his ill health. Have a listen to some of his Harvard lectures, when he was an associate professor there. Very interesting guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Bu7oCB8_k Yes, I know. Unfortunately, in Toronto's academic world he's considered an embarrassment to the point that one of his sizable financial contributions made recently there to a childs' welfare charity was returned.

What kind of a sniveling front bottom would deprive needy children of money because they don't like someone's politics? That stinks.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:02pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:58pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor. The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today. Sure, he's not at his best. Just remember he has some serious autoimmune issues so don't be a ctvn and rejoice his ill health. Have a listen to some of his Harvard lectures, when he was an associate professor there. Very interesting guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Bu7oCB8_k Yes, I know. Unfortunately, in Toronto's academic world he's considered an embarrassment to the point that one of his sizable financial contributions made recently there to a childs' welfare charity was returned. What kind of a sniveling front bottom would deprive needy children of money because they don't like someone's politics? That stinks.

Yes... it did sound bizarre to me too. Mikhaila, his daughter, being feisty, made a public issue of it.

Peterson was worried that her response would 'start it all up again'... whatever that meant.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:12pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:09pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:02pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:58pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:51pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I have listened to many of Peterson's long-form conversations. I'm not a detractor. The clip I posted was the full clip posted by Peterson today. Sure, he's not at his best. Just remember he has some serious autoimmune issues so don't be a ctvn and rejoice his ill health. Have a listen to some of his Harvard lectures, when he was an associate professor there. Very interesting guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Bu7oCB8_k Yes, I know. Unfortunately, in Toronto's academic world he's considered an embarrassment to the point that one of his sizable financial contributions made recently there to a childs' welfare charity was returned. What kind of a sniveling front bottom would deprive needy children of money because they don't like someone's politics? That stinks. Yes... it did sound bizarre to me too. Mikhaila, his daughter, being feisty, made a public issue of it. Peterson was worried that her response would 'start it all up again'... whatever that meant.

Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right.

Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:54pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:50pm: He has some mental health issues, but so does 50 percent of the community. Yes... His years of practising clinical psychology has left him scarred. Today's clip makes me wonder if he's posing as a Christian messianic icon, 'suffering for all mankind'.

That is really stupid. Common. Base. Plebbie. Unthinking.  Are all clinical psychologists scarred? Or only this one, who says things you are miffed about?


You are sledging him without offering any real, thoughtful insight or alternative. Lazy, stupid, snarly. Smiffy, Bwianesque.

We are no longer in the Ukraine, Toto - you need to reason a bit.  Sorry if that's above you.
It's the West, innit. Assimilate, Igor.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right. Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre.

I'm guessing Canadian sensibility is similar to Australian, in that a Peterson persona would more suit the US than Canada or Australia.

We (and the Canadians) are more self-effacing than Americans, who celebrate wild self-expression in any form whenever they can.

Note his 'wing and a prayer' was directed at Americans.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:54pm: rhino wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:50pm: He has some mental health issues, but so does 50 percent of the community. Yes... His years of practising clinical psychology has left him scarred. Today's clip makes me wonder if he's posing as a Christian messianic icon, 'suffering for all mankind'. That is really stupid. Common. Base. Plebbie. Unthinking.  Are all clinical psychologists scarred? Or only this one, who says things you are miffed about? You are sledging him without offering any real, thoughtful insight or alternative. Lazy, stupid, snarly. Smiffy, Bwianesque. We are no longer in the Ukraine, Toto - you need to reason a bit.  Sorry if that's above you. It's the West, innit. Assimilate, Igor.

Just so you know, 'innit' is a cockney expression.

Ukraine doesn't need to know. If you don't tell them, I won't.

'stupid. Common. Base. Plebbie. Unthinking'... Try harder on your adjective recall.

And stay off the piss... He'll be back soon (or will he?).

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:16pm: Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right. Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre. I'm guessing Canadian sensibility is similar to Australian, in that a Peterson persona would more suit the US than Canada or Australia. We (and the Canadians) are more self-effacing than Americans, who celebrate wild self-expression in any form whenever they can. Note his 'wing and a prayer' was directed at Americans.

Bugger, I just closed a long write up suggesting you should listen to Gad Saad to get a good indication of the state of Canadian academia.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:16pm: Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right. Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre. I'm guessing Canadian sensibility is similar to Australian, in that a Peterson persona would more suit the US than Canada or Australia. We (and the Canadians) are more self-effacing than Americans, who celebrate wild self-expression in any form whenever they can. Note his 'wing and a prayer' was directed at Americans. Bugger, I just closed a long write up suggesting you should listen to Gad Saad to get a good indication of the state of Canadian academia.

I like Gad Saad. He has a sense of humour similar to ours... i.e. not Americanised.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:38pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:16pm: Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right. Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre. I'm guessing Canadian sensibility is similar to Australian, in that a Peterson persona would more suit the US than Canada or Australia. We (and the Canadians) are more self-effacing than Americans, who celebrate wild self-expression in any form whenever they can. Note his 'wing and a prayer' was directed at Americans. Bugger, I just closed a long write up suggesting you should listen to Gad Saad to get a good indication of the state of Canadian academia. I like Gad Saad. He has a sense of humour similar to ours... i.e. not Americanised.

That's what I said. He's funny, upbeat and more economic with his words than Peterson and shreds of the virtue signaling pretenders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gODUnV0qn4

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:18pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:54pm: rhino wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:50pm: He has some mental health issues, but so does 50 percent of the community. Yes... His years of practising clinical psychology has left him scarred. Today's clip makes me wonder if he's posing as a Christian messianic icon, 'suffering for all mankind'. That is really stupid. Common. Base. Plebbie. Unthinking.  Are all clinical psychologists scarred? Or only this one, who says things you are miffed about? You are sledging him without offering any real, thoughtful insight or alternative. Lazy, stupid, snarly. Smiffy, Bwianesque. We are no longer in the Ukraine, Toto - you need to reason a bit.  Sorry if that's above you. It's the West, innit. Assimilate, Igor. Just so you know, 'innit' is a cockney expression. Ukraine doesn't need to know. If you don't tell them, I won't. 'stupid. Common. Base. Plebbie. Unthinking'... Try harder on your adjective recall. And stay off the piss... He'll be back soon (or will he?).

Thank you, Igor.

Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian.

Still, Gogol was Ukrainian, so it's not ALL bad.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:38pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:16pm: Just watched it. I'm not a fan of hers, but she was dead right. Could you imagine what a snake pit of feckless virtue signalers the Toronto acedemic community would be? The place needs to be sacked by the alt centre. I'm guessing Canadian sensibility is similar to Australian, in that a Peterson persona would more suit the US than Canada or Australia. We (and the Canadians) are more self-effacing than Americans, who celebrate wild self-expression in any form whenever they can. Note his 'wing and a prayer' was directed at Americans. Bugger, I just closed a long write up suggesting you should listen to Gad Saad to get a good indication of the state of Canadian academia. I like Gad Saad. He has a sense of humour similar to ours... i.e. not Americanised. That's what I said. He's funny, upbeat and more economic with his words than Peterson and shreds of the virtue signaling pretenders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gODUnV0qn4

Ha ha... Yep... What is it about Canada that it churns out great comedians by the barrel load?

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:46pm:

Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian.

No. Conviction is the art of being certain.

No one can know beyond doubt.

That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf.

For everyone else, there's art.

I wish he'd sort out some tech issues with his podcast, he gets a terrible echo on interviews.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art.

I thought you were smart.  No longer.

You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful.
So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint.


Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art. I thought you were smart.  No longer. You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful. So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint. Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled.

Ha ha... Still not too pissed to type, then.

Art means only painting to you, eh?

Religion, philosophy and rhetoric are forms of art, are they not? Arts of certainty.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

the shill is struggling to cope is he?

A shill to what?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D

No chance you then ey? ;D

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art. I thought you were smart.  No longer. You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful. So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint. Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled. Ha ha... Still not too pissed to type, then. Art means only painting to you, eh? Religion, philosophy and rhetoric are forms of art, are they not? Arts of certainty.

Thank you, Igor.
Religion, philosophy, rhetotic are not art. Nor is blinkered 'certainty'. Things don't mean what you choose them to mean, Igor.
Alice doesn't live here any more and it's not Wonderland, anyway.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art. I thought you were smart.  No longer. You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful. So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint. Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled. Ha ha... Still not too pissed to type, then. Art means only painting to you, eh? Religion, philosophy and rhetoric are forms of art, are they not? Arts of certainty. Thank you, Igor. Religion, philosophy, rhetotic are not art. Nor is blinkered 'certainty'. Things don't mean what you choose them to mean, Igor. Alice doesn't live here any more and it's not Wonderland, anyway.

Roger that (so to speak).

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:27pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:26pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art. I thought you were smart.  No longer. You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful. So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint. Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled. Ha ha... Still not too pissed to type, then. Art means only painting to you, eh? Religion, philosophy and rhetoric are forms of art, are they not? Arts of certainty. Thank you, Igor. Religion, philosophy, rhetotic are not art. Nor is blinkered 'certainty'. Things don't mean what you choose them to mean, Igor. Alice doesn't live here any more and it's not Wonderland, anyway. Roger that (so to speak).

Are you certain you want to roger that, Igor? A bit indecorous. 
Don't be vulgar, Igor. Tsk, tsk,  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:36pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:27pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:26pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:13pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:50pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:46pm: Conviction is the art of being Ukrainian. No. Conviction is the art of being certain. No one can know beyond doubt. That's why we invented gods. To know, absolutely, on our behalf. For everyone else, there's art. I thought you were smart.  No longer. You are artfully certain. Then 'not know beyond doubt'. Certain, doubtful. So we invented gods to know what we don't know.   And then we paint. Igor - get a brain. The one you have is all scrambled. Ha ha... Still not too pissed to type, then. Art means only painting to you, eh? Religion, philosophy and rhetoric are forms of art, are they not? Arts of certainty. Thank you, Igor. Religion, philosophy, rhetotic are not art. Nor is blinkered 'certainty'. Things don't mean what you choose them to mean, Igor. Alice doesn't live here any more and it's not Wonderland, anyway. Roger that (so to speak). Are you certain you want to roger that, Igor? A bit indecorous.  Don't be vulgar, Igor. Tsk, tsk,  ::) ::)

OK, off to bed there, old fag... you're sounding desperate to relate.

Two doddering old codgers engaged in a bitch-slapping fight. Frank and North-ofNorth are both losers.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:45pm:

Two doddering old codgers engaged in a bitch-slapping fight. Frank and North-ofNorth are both losers.

In what way are you a winner?

Everyone needs to find an anchor for their soul.



This world, this life, is, can be, a wild place for our psyche.

Everyone needs to find an anchor for their soul.




Read the Book of Psalms.

Read the Book of Proverbs.


Yadda said somewhere.....

Quote:

Reading scripture is a form of spiritual invocation [i believe]. And imo, the words and thoughts expressed within scripture, express [to me] the mind of our God. And, reading those words and thoughts, exposes me to that spirit, which i [choose, and] want to be influenced by. i.e. The spirit of God. It is that simple.

Prominent U.S. Professor - Demons Are Real
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1528433663/0#0

And another bizarre clip from Peterson, today.

What starts out as criticism of Trudeau in Glasgow, deflects towards Trudeau as Pinocchio.

If you've watched Peterson conversations, you'll know he has an almost psychiatric obsession with Pinocchio, (when he's not obsessing about Egyptian gods and a metaphysical eye), which he weaves into the conversation whenever he can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEWEEZ8rp24

the problem for jordan and indeed the problem for people like frank and sprint and tony abbott and barnaby joyce is that they are trying to present logical and reasoned arguements to people who do not argue "in good faith".

the left want to tear all of society down

and so they are "bad faith ' actors in any reasonable discussion.

it wouldnt matter how sensible jordan peterson or frank were , when they are dealing with people like gweggy or marla or smith, its a "non fruitful' activity.

the new conservative way (and trump intuitively understood this) is that you dont engage with such people.


when you fight with a pig , you get dirty (or in jordans case, you develop mental health issues) and the pig enjoys it.

trump recognised that the way to deal with such bad faith actors is to "tool" them
to "troll' them
to 'tease" them
to refuse to play their game.

the left wing media were never going to engage with trump in good faith, so he just called them fake news and moved on.

i think this is the way to deal with the left.

treat them as a joke and use them to have a bit of fun and then get on with your awesome life.

its the "paradigm shift"

for too long the conservative side have been giving a bit of ground and appeasing and pandering and it has no hope of working.

a few conservatives always understood this

thatcher, rupert murdoch, trump

heroes of the conservative side of politics because they recognised logical discourse is NOT the way to go .

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

And another bizarre clip from Peterson, today. What starts out as criticism of Trudeau in Glasgow, deflects towards Trudeau as Pinocchio. If you've watched Peterson conversations, you'll know he has an almost psychiatric obsession with Pinocchio, (when he's not obsessing about Egyptian gods and a metaphysical eye), which he weaves into the conversation whenever he can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEWEEZ8rp24

He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'.
Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet.  An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'.

Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:01pm:

He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'. Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet.  An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'. Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good.

You haven't watched Peterson's conversations.

He has an obsession with Pinocchio, Egyptian gods, the 'all-seeing' eye (in the Egyptian context), the messiah archetype, Jung and Nietzsche... To name his most favorite obsessions.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

they recognised logical discourse is NOT the way to go .

True...

Triggering emotion pays out more.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 12:01pm: He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'. Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet.  An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'. Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good. You haven't watched Peterson's conversations. He has an obsession with Pinocchio, Egyptian gods, the 'all-seeing' eye (in the Egyptian context), the messiah archetype, Jung and Nietzsche... To name his most favorite obsessions.

Very well, link to a few more 'obsessive' Pinocchio' mentions.

Since he is a psychologists and is often talking about the psychological significance of archetypes, symbols and parables, it would be very surprising if Jung and Nietzsche didn't figure significantly.

He is also impressed by Solzhenitsyn's psychological portrait of Soviet communism. Do you have a better source you would recommend?  Crime and Punishment is also a great literary source for the psychology of guilt. Do you know a better one?

He compiled a very helpful reading lists.  Help yourself to some of them.
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/great-books/

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. I understand the anxiety over this as it's a society turning on it's self. He sees it for what it is and it disturbs him, he's been a victim of it.

Setanta wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. I understand the anxiety over this as it's a society turning on it's self.

Listen to Gad Saad, he perfectly articulates the stupidity of the woke left but is upbeat, funny and more economical with his words.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:48pm:

I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span.

I've listened to several of his interviews over the years. He's a charlatan. A very clever one but a charlatan nonetheless.

And whilst you might not see him as the messiah, he has many fans who do.

So that's a fail from you on both points.

Not that anyone is really surprised ::)

rhino wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue.

I understand him fine. I also understand enough to recognise his hypocrisy and duplicity. You might be impressed by his big words, I'm not.

I recall I once listened to him denigrating the left for their use of labels, and the whole time he never once stopped applying his own labels to the left. :D :D :D The guy is an absolute fraud.

Setanta wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society.

Hard to say.

By his own admission, since his teen years, Peterson has been haunted by nightmares of impending doom. He cries at the drop of a hat during a conversation particularly when discussing how it feels when he's attacked online or when people thank him for changing their lives for the better.

Is he weeping for the world or just emotionally unstable?... He obliquely conceded the latter when he discussed how he was once thinking about a political career but didn't think in retrospect he would have been emotionally robust enough for it.

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:00pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue. Jordon Peterson was an associate professor at Harvard, is a clinical psychologist. John is a house painter.

Was a house painter turdie ... I haven't painted in almost 13 years.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:36pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. whose life has he turned around? Apart from his dealers that is ... I'm sure he made a lot of money from Peterson No. he's clearly had a dramatic effect on many lives. He can't leave his house without being approached and thanked by many for his help. It overwhelms him, and causes him to break down in tears.

what overwhelms him is his sense of guilt at having so easily duped them all.

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? A shill to what?

to the right.

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 8:07pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:36pm: Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:34pm: It's a wonderful thing to see Petersen turning more lives around, for the better, than you two cocksuckers could ever hope for. whose life has he turned around? Apart from his dealers that is ... I'm sure he made a lot of money from Peterson No. he's clearly had a dramatic effect on many lives. He can't leave his house without being approached and thanked by many for his help. It overwhelms him, and causes him to break down in tears. what overwhelms him is his sense of guilt at having so easily duped them all.

I suspect there is an element of shock that his advice has had such a dramatic effect on some.

But, as a practising clinical psychologist, he would have seen more than his fair share of hopeless cases that no one can help. So it could be just a sense of relief that his life's work didn't amount to nothing.

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D

he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::)

Setanta wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. I understand the anxiety over this as it's a society turning on it's self. He sees it for what it is and it disturbs him, he's been a victim of it.

he's a CAUSE of it

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::)

What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify?

Peterson is:
A. losing the plot and
B. a drugo ...

no way would I trust him to walk my dog.

The neighbors 12 year old, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog.

Is your dog a prize French Poodle?

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:48pm: I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah. Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great. People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span. I've listened to several of his interviews over the years. He's a charlatan. A very clever one but a charlatan nonetheless. And whilst you might not see him as the messiah, he has many fans who do. So that's a fail from you on both points. Not that anyone is really surprised ::)

He is a professor of psychology. Definitely not a 'charlatan'.

And importantly, he is not saying anything new. As an educator, he is saying things that young people no longer hear from their other, tendentious, progressive, woke uni professors - he goes back to the source and listens to and explains the greats.

That is his sin - talking about the foundational ideas and books and ideas. THAT is why he has fans.

He leads young people to water and trey drink and are energised. Not by what Peterson says but by what he leads them to. That is the only point of everything he says and does as an educator - primary sources.
Idiotic Sicilians and Ukrainians are led to water but you can't make them think - so they just sneer.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:22pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:14pm: I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. Hard to say. By his own admission, since his teen years, Peterson has been haunted by nightmares of impending doom. He cries at the drop of a hat during a conversation particularly when discussing how it feels when he's attacked online or when people thank him for changing their lives for the better. Is he weeping for the world or just emotionally unstable?... He obliquely conceded the latter when he discussed how he was once thinking about a political career but didn't think in retrospect he would have been emotionally robust enough for it.

I honestly couldn't say. I've not followed him or his life, etc. I've watched a few videos that have been posted. I was just commenting on what I felt the first part of the OP video was trying to say. He certainly need to learn a bit of conciseness.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog. Is your dog a prize French Poodle?

It's a mongrel .... the french poodle is to smart to get walked by Peterson .. I wouldn't need to get involved.

Smith's academic creds must eclipse this? Hello Dunning Kruger?

While teaching and conducting research at Harvard University, where he was hired as an assistant professor in the psychology department, later becoming an associate professor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:41pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog. Is your dog a prize French Poodle? It's a mongrel .... the french poodle is to smart to get walked by Peterson .. I wouldn't need to get involved.

I think even a schizotypal junkie could manage taking a mutt for a sh!t in the park.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 6:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:41pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog. Is your dog a prize French Poodle? It's a mongrel .... the french poodle is to smart to get walked by Peterson .. I wouldn't need to get involved. I think even a schizotypal junkie could manage taking a mutt for a sh!t in the park.

I've a junkie next door. I seriously doubt it. He can barely walk himself to the mailbox

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:56pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:41pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog. Is your dog a prize French Poodle? It's a mongrel .... the french poodle is to smart to get walked by Peterson .. I wouldn't need to get involved. I think even a schizotypal junkie could manage taking a mutt for a sh!t in the park. I've a junkie next door. I seriously doubt it. He can barely walk himself to the mailbox

Yeah... But, on his way to taking a dump,  Peterson would teach the mutt to self-actualise... And clean his own kennel.

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:56pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 6:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:41pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 9:16pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:41pm: the shill is struggling to cope is he? What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support. As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode. And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah. there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. ;D ;D No chance you then ey? ;D he wouldn't even make it to the level of dog walker in my book, let alone prophet ::) What qualifies someone as a dog walker such that Peterson wouldn't qualify? Peterson is: A. losing the plot and B. a drugo ... no way would I trust him to walk my dog. Is your dog a prize French Poodle? It's a mongrel .... the french poodle is to smart to get walked by Peterson .. I wouldn't need to get involved. I think even a schizotypal junkie could manage taking a mutt for a sh!t in the park. I've a junkie next door. I seriously doubt it. He can barely walk himself to the mailbox

Ive known lots of junkies you would not suspect, probably more people functioning addicts than non functioning addicts, meth use is huge amongst trades and business people.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:39pm:

After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s

That was a good Christian message in that vid ... were you expecting a muslim message, or an atheist lefty progressive message? Peterson probably talks about those too if you find them and listen

rhino wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Ive known lots of junkies you would not suspect, probably more people functioning addicts than non functioning addicts, meth use is huge amongst trades and business people.

based on petersons last video, he's not one of them.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s That was a good Christian message in that vid ... were you expecting a muslim message, or an atheist lefty progressive message?

No... Just something less 17th century Puritanism.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:48pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s That was a good Christian message in that vid ... were you expecting a muslim message, or an atheist lefty progressive message? No... Just something less 17th century Puritanism.

We need a bit of that these days

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:08pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:48pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s That was a good Christian message in that vid ... were you expecting a muslim message, or an atheist lefty progressive message? No... Just something less 17th century Puritanism. We need a bit of that these days

Including burning witches?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Including burning witches?

Did you have to ask that flippant question? ..... You'd better listen to all of Jordan's messages, he'll bring you up to speed on how to think about modern man, including yourself. Do you ever question your own motives and desires and politics when applied to the modern come jurassic world?

John Smith wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 7:54pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:41pm: Ive known lots of junkies you would not suspect, probably more people functioning addicts than non functioning addicts, meth use is huge amongst trades and business people. based on petersons last video, he's not one of them.

He doesnt exhibit any obvious signs of drug addiction in that video, I agree with North, he appears psychotic and depressed. Not sure what his drug(s) of use are but if its opiates or stimulants he isnt showing any obvious signs of intoxication.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:09pm: Including burning witches? Did you have to ask that flippant question? ..... You'd better listen to all of Jordan's messages, he'll bring you up to speed on how to think about modern man, including yourself. Do you ever question your own motives and desires and politics when applied to the modern come jurassic world?

Not so flippant...

Not sure I'd trust a man to light a fire who's a cross between Phaedrus and Kosmo Kramer.

rhino wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:54pm: rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 7:41pm: Ive known lots of junkies you would not suspect, probably more people functioning addicts than non functioning addicts, meth use is huge amongst trades and business people. based on petersons last video, he's not one of them. He doesnt exhibit any obvious signs of drug addiction in that video, I agree with North, he appears psychotic and depressed. Not sure what his drug(s) of use are but if its opiates or stimulants he isnt showing any obvious signs of intoxication.

I'm sure he's clean... He's just spiralling into psychosis... Which is sometimes mistaken for a religious epiphany.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:39pm:

After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s

Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog).

Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski.

But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men

Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children

And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger
Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers

And you will know my name is the Lord
When I lay my vengeance upon thee

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s[] Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him.

there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day

and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace

those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach love do not have love


beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know

beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average

but there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody
not wanting solitude
not understanding solitude
they will attempt to destroy anything
that differs from their own
not being able to create art
they will not understand art
they will consider their failure as creators
only as a failure of the world
not being able to love fully
they will believe your love incomplete
and then they will hate you
and their hatred will be perfect

like a shining diamond
like a knife
like a mountain
like a tiger
like hemlock

their finest art

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:41pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee

Thank you,  Quentin.

Any other low brow movie references, Ringo?

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo?

Bukowski.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo? Bukowski.

"Don't try."



But you are trying.  Tsk, tsk ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 8:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo? Bukowski. "Don't try." But you are trying.  Tsk, tsk ::) ::)

No... This is easy.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:00pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:59pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo? Bukowski. "Don't try." But you are trying.  Tsk, tsk ::) ::) No... This is easy.

http://www.contrariwise.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/charles-bukowski-grave.jpg

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:11pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:00pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:59pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo? Bukowski. "Don't try." But you are trying.  Tsk, tsk ::) ::) No... This is easy. http://www.contrariwise.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/charles-bukowski-grave.jpg

Yep... An old story.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:11pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:00pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:59pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:45pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm: After months of improvement in his mental health and an interesting series of interviews... And now this... Religious obsession is a dangerous game; made worse by underlying psychiatric disorders. Note his tortured expression and the delivery of his 'poem' reminiscent of Charles Bukowski... At least Bukowski had an excuse... He was perpetually pissed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcM3Y8kACo4&t=247s Having not read or heard and understood ANYTHING he has been saying for about the last 6 years, nor having read, heard or understood any of the sources he is talking about, you would come up with the BS Bukowski angle (even though CB would be on Peterson's side, not yours, being far better read than you and more astute even in his piss-soaked fog). Peterson is evoking Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, on his way to 'thy will be done',  not Bukowski. But in any case, he is not a mere mocking, unlettered know-fcck-all sneering from the sidelines. BIG PLUS for him. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my vengeance upon thee Thank you,  Quentin. Any other low brow movie references, Ringo? Bukowski. "Don't try." But you are trying.  Tsk, tsk ::) ::) No... This is easy. http://www.contrariwise.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/charles-bukowski-grave.jpg Yep... An old story.

Er... no.  A headstone.


You are not up to this. Go and read. Peterson has a good book list, I linked to it before. Do yourself a service. 

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:18pm:

Er... no.  A headstone.

Yep... Know all about 'Don't try'

Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48

But you haven't moved on.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on.

Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more.

How about you? Pissing on nightly.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly.

Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary.
I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them.

What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what?i

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what?

Thanks man...  pissing on to save us all... Turps Moses.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what? Thanks man...  pissing on to save us all... Turps Moses.

Bud’mo!!!

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:56pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:47pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what? Thanks man...  pissing on to save us all... Turps Moses. Bud’mo!!!

Oh, to read my language???

Well - genius on the edge has always been that - genius on the edge.

What we need to avoid is throwing out the babies he has created with the bathwater of his possible mental issue.  He is very right on some issues and has the ability to draw together disparate strings of information to create a homogenous whole..... such an approach is fraught with the dangers of falling over the edge.

I understand this because I do the same myself.... draw together disparate strands to create a whole that some can understand and follow, but that many do not.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 9:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what?

Hush - but that's very kind of you... unlike you and certain others, I KNOW I am not omniscient and perfect.... that kind of thinking is reserved for Mullahs who act totally on the word of Allah as presented by a prophet, and who actually believe that this is immaculate and beyond question.

This leads to people being sent to the chopping block on the reasoning that if wrong is done to them here, Allah will rectify it in Paradise...

Even the Catholic Church has abandoned the concept of Papal Infallibility.... yet some here persist with stating adamantly they are infallible.....

Oh, to be so immaculately perfect just one day in my life......

Thing is - nobody is that perfect..... not even police forces who play with a loaded deck and tame judiciary.

The work is hard, but slowly we, the real people, will bring down the hubrists.

Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what? Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head.

There have been 2820274 posts within 95316 topics at this forum.

Reading them over the years, a significant percentage of them are from a certain clique, bitching and getting even with each other over personal information disclosed years ago, which they subsequently made public.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what? Hush - but that's very kind of you... unlike you and certain others, I KNOW I am not omniscient and perfect.... that kind of thinking is reserved for Mullahs who act totally on the word of Allah as presented by a prophet, and who actually believe that this is immaculate and beyond question. This leads to people being sent to the chopping block on the reasoning that if wrong is done to them here, Allah will rectify it in Paradise... Even the Catholic Church has abandoned the concept of Papal Infallibility.... yet some here persist with stating adamantly they are infallible..... Oh, to be so immaculately perfect just one day in my life...... Thing is - nobody is that perfect..... not even police forces who play with a loaded deck and tame judiciary. The work is hard, but slowly we, the real people, will bring down the hubrists. Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head.

It's play. Banter. Caring, nurturing bollocking.
What are you doing here?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:04am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 10:39pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Er... no.  A headstone. Yep... Know all about 'Don't try' Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48 But you haven't moved on. Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more. How about you? Pissing on nightly. Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary. I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them. What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what? Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head. There have been 2820274 posts within 95316 topics at this forum. Reading them over the years, a significant percentage of them are from a certain clique, bitching and getting even with each other over personal information disclosed years ago, which they subsequently made public.

That's just what people are like
What U resist persists

It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach
Is a bit negative and crabby

The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic

I consider this a sign of the times
We have elevated victimhood to a currency
We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues

Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture

I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left
Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well


This has been flipped on its head

Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males
They are all addicted to various drugs
They have little in the way of career prospects

If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this
What Hillary Clinton called
Bag of deplorables

The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea
To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort
Shows the insanity of the left

When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well
Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s
Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up
And challenge you

With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite
And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables

It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly
Personally I think that's what the left want
They were getting quite a hard-on
When they watched the storming of the capital
That was just a pretext of what is probably coming

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 9:36am:

That's just what people are like What U resist persists It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach Is a bit negative and crabby The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic I consider this a sign of the times We have elevated victimhood to a currency We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well This has been flipped on its head Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males They are all addicted to various drugs They have little in the way of career prospects If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this What Hillary Clinton called Bag of deplorables The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort Shows the insanity of the left When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up And challenge you With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly Personally I think that's what the left want They were getting quite a hard-on When they watched the storming of the capital That was just a pretext of what is probably coming

Or he could being suffering from a psychosis.

No psychosis. That's nonsense.


And Petersen is not ralking to the deplorables, the underclass. They wouldn't undersand him. His primary audience is men at university and graduates. He is drawing from high art, literature, philosophy, psychoanalysis. 

I think that is his significance - a large number of educated young people, mainly young men, experiencing intellectual, cultural Pauline turns as they hear him and are discovering the treasures and wisdom of their own culture which has been kept from them by 'progressive', lefty stupification throughout their schooling.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:14am:

No psychosis. That's nonsense. And Petersen is not ralking to the deplorables, the underclass. They wouldn't undersand him. His primary audience is men at university and graduates. He is drawing from high art, literature, philosophy, psychoanalysis.  I think that is his significance - a large number of educated young people, mainly young men, experiencing intellectual, cultural Pauline turns as they hear him and are discovering the treasures and wisdom of their own culture which has been kept from them by 'progressive', lefty stupification throughout their schooling.

Yes Frank that is a well-thought-out argument

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:14am:

No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am: No psychosis. That's nonsense. He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic. This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia. He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga. He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.


He has been too brainy and anxious and high-strung and very importantly, super self-aware (is a prof of psychology and a clinical psychologist), and then suddenly, in 2016,  he was in the middle of a big controversy centering on intellectual principles and his stance, unexpectedly, made him world-famous. Without that controversy over pronouns he would still be as unknown outside Toronto University as he was before it.  So, we can thank the trannies for him.

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am: No psychosis. That's nonsense. He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic. This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia. He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga. He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book. Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.

The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing.

A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond.

In his own words, from his third book, an excerpt from his memory of his eastern European and Russian adventure:

[olist]On the 5th of February 2020, I awoke in an intensive care ward in, of all places, Moscow.

I had 6-inch tethers attaching me to the sides of the bed because, in my unconscious state, I had been agitated enough to try to remove the catheters from my arm and leave the ICU.

I was confused and frustrated, not knowing where I was, surrounded by people speaking a foreign language and, in the absence of my daughter, Mikhaila and her husband Andre, who were restricted to short visiting hours, and did not have permission to be there with me at my moment of wakening.

I was angry, too, about being there and lunged at my daughter when she did visit several hours later.

I felt betrayed, although that was the furthest from the truth.
…
I did not, and still do not, have any memory of anything that happened to me during the 4 weeks in Russia preceding that and very little between those weeks and my having entered a hospital in Toronto in mid-December.
[/olist]

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:02am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am: No psychosis. That's nonsense. He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic. This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia. He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga. He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book. Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis. The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing. A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond.

Two different things.

Who was the psychiatrist? Did he diagnose by watching his vids at the request of some media outlet? That's my hunch.


'schizotypal personality traits' - big catch-all, that. We all have traits. But being a popular, respected uni professor and researcher hardly makes him an awkward, humourless loner who avoids other people due to inability to relate to others. Also, schizophrenia, like psychosis, is usually  a slow, early onset deterioration. So there is a long way from traits, which we all have, to schizophrenia or psychosis.

In any case, if you have any actual counter-arguments to what he IS saying, that would make for a more interesting discussion than you keep saying he is schizophrenic and psychotic and me refuting you.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:02am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am: No psychosis. That's nonsense. He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic. This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia. He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga. He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book. Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis. The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing. A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond. Two different things. Who was the psychiatrist? Did he diagnose by watching his vids at the request of some media outlet? That's my hunch.

The Petersons have never released the names of the psychiatrists, but they have disclosed that they are practising in the north-east US and are Americans.

He was diagnosed after having been admitted to a hospital in the US.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am: No psychosis. That's nonsense. He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic. This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia. He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga. He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book. Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.

No, completely incorrect. Psychotic episodes quite often   occur in schizophrenics. Comorbidity including psychosis is extremely common in schizophrenics.  In that video he is clearly suffering a psychotic episode to my eyes.


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No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 9:36am:

That's just what people are like What U resist persists It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach Is a bit negative and crabby The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic I consider this a sign of the times We have elevated victimhood to a currency We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well This has been flipped on its head Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males They are all addicted to various drugs They have little in the way of career prospects If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this What Hillary Clinton called Bag of deplorables The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort Shows the insanity of the left When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up And challenge you With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly Personally I think that's what the left want They were getting quite a hard-on When they watched the storming of the capital That was just a pretext of what is probably coming

Much truth in what you post.  Do you see any fundamental differences between 'created' nihilistics and nihilistics born and bred?  If the former ('created') label applies to any group - is it not meet for a society governed by the loving social science elite to deconstruct this false paradigm that created it and rebuild it so as to not create nihilists as well as uncreate those it has created?

Is it not pure discrimination NOT to do so?

Perhaps just compensation is due..... for harm done.....

Truly there is much water to travel under the bridge yet... and the flow has merely begun and awaits the ice melt of the Masculine Spring...

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

You carp and sneer. That's the domain of Smiff, gweggy, Bwian et al. Rise above, you are more intelligent than that. Aren't you?  Prove me wrong.

Not often that I agree with Frank.
North... you really are too smart for this!
If you have an issue with what he is saying, argue that, instead of questioning his sanity! ::)

Now back to reading this thread...

Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 12:56pm:

If you have an issue with what he is saying, argue that, instead of questioning his sanity! ::)

That'd be his sobriety I'm pisstaking on, not his sanity.

rhino wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am: No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it. Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:42am: Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am: No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it. Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

Isn't it funny how Peterson gets people's panties in such a bunch even directly questioning his intelligence? Being an associate professor at Harvard is a clear rebuttal of that.

Agreeing or disagreeing with him is another matter entirely, but seeing how he's so prolific, it would be nigh on impossible to put him in a box where you disagree with everything he says, unless you're ideological team told you to.

Let's be honest, he got on the wrong side of woke over his railing against legally enforced pronouns and his position on the gender pay gap and people in the woke silos now think everything he says is wrong.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:56pm: If you have an issue with what he is saying, argue that, instead of questioning his sanity! ::) That'd be his sobriety I'm pisstaking on, not his sanity.

You are getting slippery now, extrapolating from a 5 minute video comparing Trudeau to Pinocchio to 'pisstaking on his sobriety', but never once actually addressing any points he has ever made.  It's like Bbwian without the tutting eyerolls.

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:18pm:

Isn't it funny how Peterson gets people's panties in such a bunch even directly questioning his intelligence? Being an associate professor at Harvard is a clear rebuttal of that. Agreeing or disagreeing with him is another matter entirely, but seeing how he's so prolific, it would be nigh on impossible to put him in a box where you disagree with everything he says, unless you're ideological team told you to. Let's be honest, he got on the wrong side of woke over his railing against legally enforced pronouns and his position on the gender pay gap and people in the woke silos now think everything he says is wrong.

Peterson certainly has been mischaracterised and wrongly demonised by militant transgender-rights supporters and feminists. There's no doubt about that.

He is certainly highly intelligent and deeply insightful.

However, by his own admission, psychological issues run in his family; and that family trait, it appears, has not passed him over.

He appears to regularly experience, what could be called 'religious epiphanies', which is not uncommon for people suffering from certain underlying psychiatric conditions and can affect even the most intelligent and insightful thinkers.