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Message started by whiteknight on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am

Title: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by whiteknight on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am
Morrison reopens visa schemes, bowing to big business   :(
22 November 2021
ACTU.
Morrison reopens visa schemes, bowing to big business
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced today that his government will be bowing to pressure from big business and reopening the international border to temporary migrant workers from the 1st of December. There is no independent verification of labour shortages.

The Morrison Government is allowing big business to return to a business model that relies on the exploitation of vulnerable migrant workers rather than creating secure jobs, investing in local workers and developing skills.

While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.

Quotes attributable to ACTU President Michele O’Neil:

“The Morrison Government is choosing not support local workers to get a job or more hours and instead giving a green light to big business to bring back hundreds of thousands of vulnerable migrant workers on temporary visas.

“In many sectors we have a fair pay and job security shortage, not a labour shortage

“The Prime Minister has once again caved to big business and turned his back on workers – just when workers had the chance to fight for the first decent pay rises after 8 years of stagnant wages, he’s pulled the rug from underneath them.

“The Morrison Government should be taking the opportunity presented by the recovery from the pandemic to create secure jobs and boost wages, but instead they are encouraging more insecure work and a record-breaking stretch of low wage growth.

“The Morrison Government should support permanent migration that ensures migrant workers have rights and decent pay and working conditions, rather than creating a model that traps migrant workers in a cycle of abuse and exploitation.”

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Scomothedud on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 10:43am
Perhaps coincidence but the day he does Woodside announce the go ahead for 40 billion dollar expansion up north

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Scomothedud on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Scomothedud on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:29pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?


They're easier to rip off ?

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:10pm

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?


They're easier to rip off ?

Is that why third world immigration enjoys bipartisan support?


Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Scomothedud on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:13pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:10pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be umemployed when there is a shartage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?


They're easier to rip off ?

Is that why third world immigration enjoys bipartisan support?


Well state Labor laws are addressing wage theft ....

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:13pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:10pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be unemployed when there is a shortage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?


They're easier to rip off ?

Is that why third world immigration enjoys bipartisan support?


Well state Labor laws are addressing wage theft ....


As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.




Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:13pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:10pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:45am:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

whiteknight wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:24am:
While job vacancies are growing post lockdown, there are still an estimated three million workers in Australia either looking for work or after more hours. 13.1 per cent of young people are unemployed.



Why is that? Why aren't Australians filling those vacancies?? How can 13% of young people be unemployed when there is a shortage of workers?


Business want ready made and aren't prepared to invest in new employees ?

So an Indian or Nepalese is more ready for Australian employment than a young Australian?
Why is that?


They're easier to rip off ?

Is that why third world immigration enjoys bipartisan support?


Well state Labor laws are addressing wage theft ....


As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:02pm
Un necessary , unneeded and risky.


Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by whiteknight on Nov 24th, 2021 at 6:17am
We have a pay rise & secure job shortage, not a labour shortage   :(
23 November 2021
ACTU
We have a pay rise & secure job shortage, not a labour shortage
The Morrison Government have caved to demands from some in big business, to restart routinely rorted visa systems and allow employers access to hundreds of thousands of easily exploited visa workers, rather than address the quality of jobs that are on offer – their security and pay.

Underemployment in Australia is appallingly high, and the total of underutilised workers in Australia is more than 3 million which equates to 20 per cent of the workforce. The number of Australians holding more than one job is the highest on record.

In regional parts of the country unemployment is even higher, particularly youth unemployment which can regularly be as high as 10 per cent.

Where employers are struggling to find workers, it is because Australians are sick and tired of working casual, insecure jobs that are underpaid and often don’t provide enough hours or shifts for workers to support themselves, let alone their families.

The Morrison Government could require employers to create more secure jobs for local workers but instead they are returning to business as usual, exploitation of migrant workers and local workers struggling to find hours.

Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus:

“We have a pay rise and secure jobs shortage, not a labour shortage in our country.  We still have a record number of people wanting more hours and better job security, but rather than addressing this, Scott Morrison has delivered them access to the rorted work visa system which has been rife with exploitation.

“Too many employers have built business models on exploiting visa workers and they do not want to raise wages or offer permanent jobs. The Morrison Government has delivered them what they want and all workers will miss out as a result.

“Australian workers deserve a pay rise and they deserve better job security. We need to end business models that rely on exploitation, not enable them. The Government could be ensuring that local jobs are made available to local workers at reasonable rates and investing in TAFE and skills training to ensure that we have the skills needed to fill them, but instead they have once again prioritised the needs of business over working people.”

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 24th, 2021 at 6:33pm
One of the good things that Biden is trying to do is build back better.

What this means is taking the opportunity to fix the things which we had got wrong in the past as the economy is re starting. It means basically not doing things like this. Just going back to a very flawed business as usual type of model.

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?


Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:26am

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?



Quote:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?


This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:36am

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?



Quote:
How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?


Insufficient fines and penalties, insufficient testing and investigation, Lack of commitment to act, A politically driven belief that there should be no minimum wage level etc.

Just look at penalty rates as an example out of this area but real enough. - this form of wage theft is not even done behind closed doors anymore.

These visa schemes were always done badly to supply cheap labour undermining Australian pay rates and working conditions. These were always unneeded poor schemes and a blight on Australia.

This period should be the opportunity to fix what is wrong not an excuse to extend our failure.

 

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:37am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?



Quote:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?


This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc.  And in what way are Labor administrations,  whom you eagerly cited with approval,  doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Ye Grappler on Nov 25th, 2021 at 11:11am
Downe at Ye Olde Courte House, Judge Grappler presiding:-

"Juan Ripoffsomani - you have been guilty of underpaying workers over an extended period of twenty years...... you are hereby ordered to pay back in full every cent taken, and every one of your personal assets will be held under court order until you do so!  You will be unable to sell or sidetrack anything owned by yourself and your immediate family, who have benefited from your criminal behaviour, until such time as you pay your debts in full!  Furthermore, you will not be permitted to declare bankruptcy, but must continue to pay your way.

Should you fail to pay, your assets will be held under RICO and will be sold off to pay your debts,and your passport and those of your family will be suspended.

Furthermore, I am imposing an exemplary fine of $10 million for each year of your deliberate malfeasance - the proceeds to be distributed to your victims on a proportional basis dependant upon the amount they have  lost due to your criminal behaviour. (bangs gavel, rises)>>>"

"All rise!"

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Dnarever on Nov 25th, 2021 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?



Quote:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?


This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc.  And in what way are Labor administrations,  whom you eagerly cited with approval,  doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.


Like speeding  You are fully charged and fully fined for the breach committed ?

tax avoidance - For big business mostly it is just normal - no fine applicable.

shoplifting Again fully charged for the crime committed.

And in what way are Labor administrations,  whom you eagerly cited with approval - What - there is no Labor approval they would likely do better but not by much and no record of better performance in this area.

As for point 2 ??? silly.



Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Frank on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:
As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.


This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.


I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?



Quote:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?


This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc.  And in what way are Labor administrations,  whom you eagerly cited with approval,  doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.


Like speeding  You are fully charged and fully fined for the breach committed ?

tax avoidance - For big business mostly it is just normal - no fine applicable.

shoplifting Again fully charged for the crime committed.

And in what way are Labor administrations,  whom you eagerly cited with approval - What - there is no Labor approval they would likely do better but not by much and no record of better performance in this area.

As for point 2 ??? silly.

I am sensing discombobulation and nervous breakpoint....


Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by JaSin. on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:09pm
Can't let the lives of poor people dying from Covid get in the way of big business and money for Politics.

Title: Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Post by Ye Grappler on Nov 25th, 2021 at 11:32pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:09pm:
Can't let the lives of poor people dying from Covid get in the way of big business and money for Politics.


If the Kanaks take it back to the islands, who cares, eh?  At least they have the balls to riot against Chinese attempts at de facto possession of their homeland.... **visions of shrunken Chinese heads lined up along a bamboo rail** ....

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