Living in China vs Living in America - This is truly shocking.

https://youtu.be/4cvg5vJqtZw

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:39am:

Living in China vs Living in America - This is truly shocking. https://youtu.be/4cvg5vJqtZw

Ahh, yes, the 'white monkeys' working for the Chinese cartel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ikoZWcd7-o&t=5201s

Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:39am:

Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese.

The Chinese people in mainland China have live under emperors and quasi-emperors for thousands of years.

They have no modern tradition of acting politically or protesting against their rulers.

They expect rule by oppression and mortal threat from their leaders and have been indoctrinated to believe that to protest politically against the cartel is to be disloyal to the nation and the people.

That's why it's relatively easy for the Chinese cartel to control so many people.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:39am:

Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese.

China is not a migrant country. It's same as Japan and has no refugees issue.

I didn't say America is all that bad. However, US gov spent too much money on wars & military and less money on social welfare. That's the why there are so many homelessness on the street.

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 11:40am:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:39am: Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese. China is not a migrant country. It's same as Japan and has no refugees issue. I didn't say America is all that bad. However, US gov spent too much money on wars & military and less money on social welfare. That's the why there are so many homelessness on the street.

Life for the underprivileged Chinese under the Chinese cartel is hell. There is no welfare safety net and, if you fall on hard times in China, you're screwed.

And, make no mistake, there are millions of Chinese in mainland China who are homeless and resort to begging just to survive.

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 11:40am:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:39am: Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese. China is not a migrant country. It's same as Japan and has no refugees issue.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-1-million-homeless-children-2012-11


https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 1:56pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 11:40am: issuevoter wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:39am: Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese. China is not a migrant country. It's same as Japan and has no refugees issue. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-1-million-homeless-children-2012-11 https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep

Typical western media liars!!! Go to China streets and have a look just like Jason did.

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 1:56pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 11:40am: issuevoter wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:39am: Why are refugees not banging on the borders of China? I lived and worked in the US for many years, and I can assure you its not all that bad. Otherwise, I would not have stayed. China certainly has its good points, but no one likes having no say in Government, not even the Chinese. China is not a migrant country. It's same as Japan and has no refugees issue. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-1-million-homeless-children-2012-11 https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep Typical western media liars!!! Go to China streets and have a like just like Jason did.

Ha ha... Jason and the other white monkeys!

You do know the beans have been spilt on how they get those gigs in China, don't you.

I believe 'Jason' has to get out of China and is back in the US... Fell foul of the cartel.

Things can do in China but not in America.

https://youtu.be/n8JTmpnMwLI



I'd like to say it's huge difference from 30 years ago.

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:01pm:

https://youtu.be/n8JTmpnMwLI

More white monkeys...

here's the deal sonny boy.

The Chinese cartel coopts westerners through its propaganda arm (CGTN / Xinhua) and pays them well (for Chinese standards) to follow a script and travel though areas they are directed.

None of what they say or where they go is random... It's all stage-managed by the cartel.

But, here's the problem. Because internal criticism of the script, direction, production and editing is forbidden, they have the ability and turn out the production quality of teenagers making their first skateboard documentary.

SHANGHAI (China) vs NEW YORK (usa) Comparison 2021

https://youtu.be/X0VK3U5NKJ8

Comments:
Zohurul Haque Jafor  2 months ago
NYC is only ahead in term of GDP but in term of skyscraper, transportation and security Shanghai is far ahead than NYC this is only my individual thoughts.

Mylan Duus  2 months ago
Shanghai is safer than new york. It's okay to walk in the streets late at night until dawn. You can also go to any block.


Heil dir im siegerkranz  2 months ago
One side is the present, the other is the future. There's nothing more to say

Humans are Crazy being  2 months ago
NY is Not comparable with Shanghai anymore. Shanghai is way ahead in terms of cleanliness, infrastructure, skyline ,safety and tourist friendly environment. For me Shanghai won love from Arunachal Pradesh ❤️

But.... but... but... we don't live in America...... though my flight attendant ladies (both want to espouse me) live in shanghai... I'll give you a report later.... once things are open again with this new ex Kung Flu, now Kampong Flu...

When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

The Chinese cartel coopts westerners through its propaganda arm None of what they say or where they go is random... It's all stage-managed by the cartel. But, here's the problem. Because internal criticism of the script, direction, production and editing is forbidden, they have the ability and turn out the production quality of teenagers making their first skateboard documentary.

The problem isn't the doomed attempt  of the paranoid US to maintain global hegemony?   

Clever Chinese aren't going to Silicon Valley these days, they are developing their own home-grown technology in China.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic?

Interesting comment.

What form would these reparations take?

And is the problem founded in consumption of animals?

Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat?

everyone in america is a racist

everyone in china is chinese

i'm sure north didnt watch that video of philadelphia with the zombie drug addicts.

he suffer from cognitive dissonance

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

everyone in america is a racist everyone in china is chinese i'm sure north didnt watch that video of philadelphia with the zombie drug addicts. he suffer from cognitive dissonance

All, every, none... (little baited hook there!)

There are plenty of videos that have escaped the cartel's mass suppression of media for which the uploaders have risked their lives... Except that which is permitted by the cartel.

Poverty, begging and drug addiction is rife in rural China and along the fringes of cities... Wherever tourists are prohibited from travelling.

Oh a video with the best bits of China and worst bits of the USA.

Walk away from the shiny things for 30 seconds and you'll see people spitting, pissing and schitting all over the place. Good luck using a public dunny.

One notch better than India, but that's nothing to brag about.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 4:44pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm: When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic? Interesting comment. What form would these reparations take? And is the problem founded in consumption of animals? Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat?

1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them.

2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China.

3. Demilitarisation of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there.

4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation.

5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court. 

6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers.

These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.   

Belgarion wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm: When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic? Interesting comment. What form would these reparations take? And is the problem founded in consumption of animals? Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat? 1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them. 2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China. 3. Demilitarisation of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there. 4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation. 5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court.  6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers. These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.

president Xi is , probably, the most powerful human being to have ever walked the planet.

the absolute ruler of the biggest economy in history.

its highly unlikely that president Xi gives a flying faaark about anything or anyone.

he is the mike tyson of world politics.

the baddest man on the planet.

kid dynamite

why would he ever grovel to anyone.

its freudian wish fulfilment to believe he ever would

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

president Xi is , probably, the most powerful human being to have ever walked the planet. the absolute ruler of the biggest economy in history. its highly unlikely that president Xi gives a flying faaark about anything or anyone. he is the mike tyson of world politics. the baddest man on the planet. kid dynamite why would he ever grovel to anyone. its freudian wish fulfilment to believe he ever would

Who can barely leave Beijing (and never leave China) for fear of overthrow or assassination.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:07pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm: When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic? Interesting comment. What form would these reparations take? And is the problem founded in consumption of animals? Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat? 1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them. 2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China. 3. Demilitarisation of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there. 4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation. 5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court.  6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers. These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.    its highly unlikely that president Xi gives a flying faaark about anything or anyone.

Thats a pretty stupid claim considering current events. Hes nearly started WW3 after a couple of off the cuff comments  made in  Australia.

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 9:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:29pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:07pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm: When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic? Interesting comment. What form would these reparations take? And is the problem founded in consumption of animals? Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat? 1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them. 2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China. 3. Demilitarisation of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there. 4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation. 5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court.  6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers. These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.    its highly unlikely that president Xi gives a flying faaark about anything or anyone. Thats a pretty stupid claim considering current events. Hes nearly started WW3 after a couple of off the cuff comments  made in  Australia.

You forgot about Hong Kong.... lease it to the Brits again and let it flourish.

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 9:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:29pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:07pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:44pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm: When is China going to make reparations to the world for starting this pandemic? Interesting comment. What form would these reparations take? And is the problem founded in consumption of animals? Banning consumption of certain kinds of meat throws up cultural issues...should we all be eating less meat? 1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them. 2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China. 3. Demilitarisation of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there. 4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation. 5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court.  6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers. These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.    its highly unlikely that president Xi gives a flying faaark about anything or anyone. Thats a pretty stupid claim considering current events. Hes nearly started WW3 after a couple of off the cuff comments  made in  Australia.

He was nowhere near starting WWIII....The PRC is big on bullying and bluster and needs standing up to, as Australia has done.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 8:07pm:

1. Payment for the loss of global productivity, amount to be determined by an international court, paid to the UN to be distributed as decided by them.

You mean an international court, to which the US has refused to join?

"The United States government has consistently opposed an international court that could hold US military and political leaders to a uniform global standard of justice"


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2. Renunciation of all claims to the Republic of China.

So now China is to be broken up because a virus escaped from a Wuhan wet market?

The ROC itself, until recently,  claimed to be the sole government of all China. Biden of course is talking out of both sides of his mouth re Taiwan independence, because he is not sure he can win a war with the PRC in the Taiwan straits.


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3. Demilitarization of the South China Sea and renunciation of all territorial claims there.

....while China is bordered  by US military bases in the Western Pacific?


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4. Withdrawal of Chinese troops from Tibet and recognition of Tibet as as  sovereign nation.

As late as 1943, the US insisted Tibet was part of China. After 1949 and the CCP victory, the US  changed its mind.....


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5. Recognition of Chinese theft of intellectual property and reparations made, to be decided by an international court.

...while the WTO has been neutered by the US who is hindering reform of its operations and blocking election of WTO officials  (as expected, since "America First" is incompatible  with global fair trade rules....)

In any case, Xi has admitted to IP theft in the past, taking advantage of US companies' greed to access cheap labor in China. But now China is wealthy enough to out compete the US in funding R&D.


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6. Cessation of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. This process to be overseen by international observers.

Yes, well, some religious minorities with  global terrorist proclivities need careful management to eliminate terrorist acts, as China is achieving in Xinjiang;  another method  is to try to bomb them out of existence, as the US attempted in Afghanistan, but failed. 


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These points will do for a start. If China wants to be recognised as a civilised nation it will comply, otherwise sanctions must be imposed until the PRC government sees sense.

The PRC is striving for common prosperity, something that adversarial  multi party democracies - controlled by 'invisible hand'  markets alone - can never achieve.

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:39am:

Living in China vs Living in America - This is truly shocking. https://youtu.be/4cvg5vJqtZw

The narrator asks: where has all the money in America gone?
Why can't Biden afford to house these people, and ensure they have jobs?

The answer lies in the US  'invisible hand' market economy, in which 'common prosperity' is impossible to achieve, because individual "freedom" of competitive individuals -  with widely different abilities -  is placed above community well-being.  Hence the very public  tragedy of those homeless addicts living in the streets of Philadelphia.

Only a pragmatic combination of public sector planning and private sector market economy   can hope to achieve common prosperity (regardless of levels of individual wealth).

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 2:51pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 7:39am: Living in China vs Living in America - This is truly shocking. https://youtu.be/4cvg5vJqtZw The narrator asks: where has all the money in America gone? Why can't Biden afford to house these people, and ensure they have jobs? The answer lies in the US  'invisible hand' market economy, in which 'common prosperity' is impossible to achieve, because individual "freedom" of competitive individuals -  with widely different abilities -  is placed above community well-being.  Hence the very public  tragedy of those homeless addicts living in the streets of Philadelphia. Only a pragmatic combination of public sector planning and private sector market economy   can hope to achieve common prosperity (regardless of levels of individual wealth).

US now is going to pour tons of money into infrastructure. This is a bit learning from China. However, US still spends too much money in military.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 7:55am:

US now is going to pour tons of money into infrastructure. This is a bit learning from China. However, US still spends too much money in military.

No. The US has had periods of building infrastructure on a gargantuan scale for hundreds of years.

And not just itself. The US was the major partner that rebuilt western Europe... Around the time that Mao was organising the great leap backwards.

And flying to the moon as Mao was destroying civilisation in China.

There's nothing we can learn from China under the boot of the Chinese cartel, except how to watch a slow-moving train wreck.

The flaw in this is that China is a 'one race only' society - mostly Han Chinese.

Try living in a Nation where so many different variants of peoples and cultures are thrown together mish-mash

China in essence is a sterile fragile nation.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 9:00am:

No. The US has had periods of building infrastructure on a gargantuan scale for hundreds of years.

Er..seen on TV last night: "The $4 billion LaGuadia Airport upgrade in NY is first large scale development in the US for 25 years." 
Meanwhile:
"According to the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Report, in 2019, the United States ranked thirteenth in the world [PDF] in a broad measure of infrastructure quality—down from fifth place in 2002.

In contrast, China poured more cement 2010-2013 than the US in the ENTIRE 20th century, and now has the world's longest high-speed rail network. 


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And not just itself. The US was the major partner that rebuilt western Europe... Around the time that Mao was organising the great leap backwards.

And now even Gemany's infrastructure is lagging:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-31/blame-germany-s-red-tape-and-thrift-for-ailing-infrastructure

"Blame Red Tape for Germany’s Ailing Infrastructure
"Germany needs to start spending to make up for years of underinvestment, and there’s a ton of money on the table if political parties agree on terms to form a new government.

IF they agree....nah,  adversarial politics is all about greed, not sustainable development to achieve common prosperity.

Hence those street scenes from Philadelphia....


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And flying to the moon as Mao was destroying civilisation in China.

Your blind ideology has rendered you incapable of rational debate. The 'Great Leap Forward' - over half a century ago -  is recognized by the CCP today as a major mistake.

And it is likely China will have the world's only operating space station, when the ISS closes down in 5 years time. 

But unlike the gridlocked system in the US with its adversarial 2 party hyper-partisan rabble, where Repubs don't want to spend public money, China in the last 4 decades has been relentlessly implementing its 5-year development plans on target, showing the advantage of a consensus one-party meritocracy.


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There's nothing we can learn from China under the boot of the Chinese cartel, except how to watch a slow-moving train wreck.

That "train wreck" occurred 60 years ago.

Moving forward to now, we can certainly look in horror at the divided Dems in the US congress  who, despite controlling  the presidency, house and senate,  have seen spending plans cut back from $8 trillion  to $1 trillion.

Having only one race in your nation is like having only x1 spoke in your 'gene pool' wheel. You're going to break a wheel.

Jasin wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 10:26am:

Having only one race in your nation is like having only x1 spoke in your 'gene pool' wheel. You're going to break a wheel.

Like when people say muslims are discriminated against.

Most Muslims countries are ninety something % Muslim.

Easy living in a suburb where everyone is exactly like you.
That's China.
It's a flawed nation, flawed Economy and if it had to open up and let every other race in like many other nations do - China would Collapse pure and simple.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 10:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 9:00am: No. The US has had periods of building infrastructure on a gargantuan scale for hundreds of years. Er..seen on TV last night: "The $4 billion LaGuadia Airport upgrade in NY is first large scale development in the US for 25 years."  Meanwhile: "According to the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Report, in 2019, the United States ranked thirteenth in the world [PDF] in a broad measure of infrastructure quality—down from fifth place in 2002. In contrast, China poured more cement 2010-2013 than the US in the ENTIRE 20th century, and now has the world's longest high-speed rail network.  Quote: And not just itself. The US was the major partner that rebuilt western Europe... Around the time that Mao was organising the great leap backwards. And now even Gemany's infrastructure is lagging: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-31/blame-germany-s-red-tape-and-thrift-for-ailing-infrastructure "Blame Red Tape for Germany’s Ailing Infrastructure "Germany needs to start spending to make up for years of underinvestment, and there’s a ton of money on the table if political parties agree on terms to form a new government. IF they agree....nah,  adversarial politics is all about greed, not sustainable development to achieve common prosperity. Hence those street scenes from Philadelphia.... [quote]And flying to the moon as Mao was destroying civilisation in China.

Your blind ideology has rendered you incapable of rational debate. The 'Great Leap Forward' - over half a century ago -  is recognized by the CCP today as a major mistake.

But unlike the gridlocked system in the US with its adversarial 2 party hyper-partisan rabble, where Repubs don't want to spend public money, China in the last 4 decades has been relentlessly implementing its 5-year development plans on target, showing the advantage of a consensus one-party meritocracy.


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There's nothing we can learn from China under the boot of the Chinese cartel, except how to watch a slow-moving train wreck.

That "train wreck" occurred 60 years ago.

Moving forward to now, we can certainly look in horror at the divided Dems in the US congress  who, despite controlling  the presidency, house and senate,  have seen spending plans cut back from $8 trillion  to $1 trillion.
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How's the property industry under the Chinese cartel? Any sight of the tunnel's end for Evergrande?

I have seen some of the 'cement' poured in China... Cut with mashed cardboard to extend it (usually to counter the massive bribery paid to cartel officials).

I've read how the provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets'.

The Chinese cartel does not run on meritocracy.

Jasin wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 10:34am:

Easy living in a suburb where everyone is exactly like you. That's China. It's a flawed nation, flawed Economy and if it had to open up and let every other race in like many other nations do - China would Collapse pure and simple.

Can you actually debate the issues eg outlined in #30, rather than just assert:
1. It's easy living in a unicultural community.
2. multi culturalism would cause collapse in China

Point 1 is simplistic: eg, unicultural Spain had a civil war

Point 2. ignores history, the New World was based on immigration from the Old World.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 10:40am:

How's the property industry under the Chinese cartel?

Notice how the blind ideologue cherry picks the points to which he will reply.   


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How's the property industry under the Chinese cartel? Any sight of the tunnel's end for Evergrande?

One thing for sure, Evergrande will not bring down the entire global economy, as the sick US system did in the GFC. The CCP will deal with Evergrande's debt problem,  because the CCP is not beholden to greedy "invisible hand" markets like the US is.  (Although the US government was forced to prop up its own economy when Lehman went bust...)


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I have seen some of the 'cement' poured in China... Cut with mashed cardboard to extend it (usually to counter the massive bribery paid to cartel officials).

Yet those numerous sky-scapers - built with "cardboard" cement in many  Chinese cities - appear to be holding up as well as those in the US. (careful how you reply... remember the Florida condominium...)


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I've read how the provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets'.

You have? Good. Then you will know the plans are invariably implemented. especially in R&D.   


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The Chinese cartel does not run on meritocracy.

The most able politicians advised by the smartest people?

Compared to film stars advised by the greediest people...in the US plutocracy...

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 10:40am: How's the property industry under the Chinese cartel? Notice how the blind ideologue cherry picks the points to which he will reply.    Quote: How's the property industry under the Chinese cartel? Any sight of the tunnel's end for Evergrande? One thing for sure, Evergrande will not bring down the entire global economy, as the sick US system did in the GFC. The CCP will deal with Evergrande's debt problem,  because the CCP is not beholden to greedy "invisible hand" markets like the US is.  (Although the US government was forced to prop up its own economy when Lehman went bust...) [quote]I have seen some of the 'cement' poured in China... Cut with mashed cardboard to extend it (usually to counter the massive bribery paid to cartel officials).

Yet those numerous sky-scapers - built with "cardboard" cement in many  Chinese cities - appear to be holding up as well as those in the US. (careful how you reply... remember the Florida condominium...)


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I've read how the provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets'.

You have? Good. Then you will know the plans are invariably implemented. especially in R&D.   


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The Chinese cartel does not run on meritocracy.

The most able politicians advised by the smartest people?

Compared to film stars advised by the greediest people...in the US plutocracy...
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The number of videos of tofu building collapses (those that have escaped the gravity of the cartel's censorship) outnumber Florida probaby by at least 10 to 1. How many have collapsed, the evidence for which has not escaped censorship, I wonder.

The provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets' by reporting whatever it is the cartel wants them to report. Truth or lies is of no consequence to the cartel, so long as it can report 'success'. The same was true of pandemic numbers, until the cartel gave up on collating stats.

The most powerful cartel members are advised by the most loyal to the respective cartel faction. Desmond Shum recounts how this respect and loyalty is demonstrated, the most ridiculous is when they are toasting each other with a glass of alcohol.

From a SCMP article today (SCMP is anti CCP media based in HK):
Chinese graduates lament Western degrees no longer a fast track for top jobs

“International students are always treated like cash cows, unfortunately,” he said. “Western universities rely a lot on the fees that overseas students pay for their income, but some don’t provide the kind of service that is of equal value.
Graduates like Chen and Wu said ultimately they felt more comfortable in China, something that influenced their decision to return.
“I prefer China’s living conditions and environment, people are friendlier to me and easier to deal with,” Chen said

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 11:25am:

The number of videos of tofu building collapses (those that have escaped the gravity of the cartel's censorship) outnumber Florida probaby by at least 10 to 1. How many have collapsed, the evidence for which has not escaped censorship, I wonder.

See... still cherry picking again, ignoring the majority of the original post.  So now it's a matter of "probably" 10 to 1? ignoring the fact that China has built more than 10 times as many sky-scrapers as the US in the last 4 decades.


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The provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets' by reporting whatever it is the cartel wants them to report. Truth or lies is of no consequence to the cartel, so long as it can report 'success'. The same was true of pandemic numbers, until the cartel gave up on collating stats.

The 5 -year plans mostly refer to national development. Corruption at the regional level is  being successfully countered by Xi as is widely acknowledged, even by the SCMP: "Xi's anti-corruption campaign has already yielded significant results that have been more successful than measures that preceded it".


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The most powerful cartel members are advised by the most loyal to the respective cartel faction. Desmond Shum recounts how this respect and loyalty is demonstrated, the most ridiculous is when they are toasting each other with a glass of alcohol.

Er...looks like a scene in any Western company boardroom, the difference being the company has no state-endorsed social responsibility quidelines  to follow at all.   

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 11:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:25am: The number of videos of tofu building collapses (those that have escaped the gravity of the cartel's censorship) outnumber Florida probaby by at least 10 to 1. How many have collapsed, the evidence for which has not escaped censorship, I wonder. See... still cherry picking again, ignoring the majority of the original post.  So now it's a matter of "probably" 10 to 1? ignoring the fact that China has built more than 10 times as many sky-scrapers as the US in the last 4 decades. Quote: The provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets' by reporting whatever it is the cartel wants them to report. Truth or lies is of no consequence to the cartel, so long as it can report 'success'. The same was true of pandemic numbers, until the cartel gave up on collating stats. The 5 -year plans mostly refer to national development. Corruption at the regional level is  being successfully countered by Xi as is widely acknowledged, even by the SCMP: "Xi's anti-corruption campaign has already yielded significant results that have been more successful than measures that preceded it". [quote]The most powerful cartel members are advised by the most loyal to the respective cartel faction. Desmond Shum recounts how this respect and loyalty is demonstrated, the most ridiculous is when they are toasting each other with a glass of alcohol.

Er...looks like a scene in any Western company boardroom, the difference being the company has no state-endorsed social responsibility quidelines  to follow at all.   


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And it's not just those buildings that collapse... Internally, walls dissolve or holes can easily be scratched into the walls, floors collapse due to poor quality steel used to reinforce them. Skirting boards around doors and floors fall off as they are kept in place by weak glue. Not to mention the massive electrical systems within and without each unit.

Yes, 5-year plans are the 'goals' of the cartel. Provincial governments are collectively tasked with achieving them. That's when the bullshit begins. Provincial cartel mobsters nearly always report 'success'. If they don't, they're replaced by others who will report 'success'.

Desmond Shum's account of boardroom antics is an insight into the highest value the cartel places on loyalty even over competency.

Anyway, while the cartel is paying through the nose for Australian products they were unable to sanction, or paying triple for Australian products through third parties, we're all good...

The Chinese people will need to wait for the full coming confrontation with the cartel and the world before they will be liberated from the world's last major cartel mob.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 12:26pm:

The provinces 'meet' their '5-year' development plans 'targets' by reporting whatever it is the cartel wants them to report. Truth or lies is of no consequence to the cartel, so long as it can report 'success'. The same was true of pandemic numbers, until the cartel gave up on collating stats.

Meanwhile entrenched systemic poverty in the US is a disgrace, nothing less than  a "human rights' crime.

The one party meritocracy in China is obviously a more advanced model of governance than Western adversarial rabbles unable to upgrade their public infrastructure.



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And it's not just those buildings that collapse... Internally, walls dissolve or holes can easily be scratched into the walls, floors collapse due to poor quality steel used to reinforce them. Skirting boards around doors and floors fall off as they are kept in place by weak glue. Not to mention the massive electrical systems within and without each unit.

 

Like in OZ, with overpriced tower housing units becoming worthless overnight due to shoddy engineering, much to the chagrin of their owners...


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Yes, 5-year plans are the 'goals' of the cartel. Provincial governments are collectively tasked with achieving them. That's when the bullshit begins. Provincial cartel mobsters nearly always report 'success'. If they don't, they're replaced by others who will report 'success'.

No the BS begins in corrupt adversarial democracies with policies determinend by the wealthy for the wealthy. 


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Desmond Shum's account of boardroom antics is an insight into the highest value the cartel places on loyalty even over competency.

An unfortunate human attribute, like greed.


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Anyway, while the cartel is paying through the nose for Australian products they were unable to sanction, or paying triple for Australian products through third parties, we're all good...

The wine growers aren't "all good"; and iron ore has halved in price in the last 6 months. As for coal,  unless renewables are rolled out quickly enough, of course China will need to import coal., but that will be temporary.


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The Chinese people will need to wait for the full coming confrontation with the cartel and the world before they will be liberated from the world's last major cartel mob.

Wrong. The Chinese people need to understand they are on the verge of greatness, if they can understand the role a successful one party meritocracy has in overcoming the contradictions in human nature.

The entrenched poverty and hyperpartisanship in the US  certainly offers a powerful example of what goes wrong when these contradictions are given free rein, in the name of "freedom". 

Lol, iron ore hasnt "halved " in price. Its gone down 23 percent in the last year, the previous year it went up by 150 percent. Now its on the way back up , over $100 a tonne, Chinas in a no win situation due to XIs temper tantrum. Chinas economic growth is directly tied to the price of iron ore, if they want the economy to keep growing that will push up the price. A smart leader would have negotiated with Australia for a fixed price. A stupid leader would irritate the country which feeds and provides the resources for continued  economic growth. Lets talk about the price of beef too, he thought, ok we dont need Aussie beef, we will buy it from countries like Argentina, turns out demand was so high from China the Argies sold them a lot of their breeding cattle, so basically they oversold causing a shorage and now the price is also at record highs. Stupid continual emotionally based decisions by Chinas leader, hes like a child who doesnt get his own way and does not care to think through any ramifications of his behaviour. And that is the problem with the one party totalitarian system, no media scrutiny of poor decisions, dissent not allowed, thats what you end up with. XI has set back China 20 years, hes advising his people to stock up on food for goodness sake, try and spin that one.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 1:08pm:

Wrong. The Chinese people need to understand they are on the verge of greatness, if they can understand the role a successful one party meritocracy has in overcoming the contradictions in human nature.

:D :D :D

Stand by, the CCP is here to CORRECT you and your unsatisfactory and frankly contradictory human nature!!! Because they know what the CORRECT human nature is ( :D :D)  so don't  think, INCORRECT human, but do as they say.  THAT is the supreme merit in the one party meritocracy. Oh, and lifetime presidency for Xi for none are knowledgable and so meritorious as emperor Xi. Oh yes!



Great Cleavage, you are peddling a simultaneously ludicrous and sinister ideology with its risible, cloth-eared bombast.

The Chinese cartel, whether it is run by the current mob boss, his faction, or another, will not learn from its gross miscalculation of attempting to destroy Australia's economy.

If the current mob boss is overthrown or assassinated, the next one will follow on with attempting to destroy Australia; and a change of government here would not make the difference.

If anything, the cartel may be more obsessed with destroying Australia by demanding humiliating displays of obeisance to it that will not result in benefits for Australia.

The cartel's greatest weakness excretes itself from the Chinese cultural value of 'saving face'; and as the cartel realises the impossibility of a successful invasion of Taiwan, it will focus on every petty bitch fight it has already got itself into (and will generate more) with regional nations. The point being, to shore up its faux sense of superiority and to prevent its loss of face with the Chinese people.

And China is very busy taking it up the arse in its trade war with Australia: https://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/world-markets/chinese-plan-to-cause-australia-economic-pain-from-trade-bans-backfires/news-story/8d57642a517ed808c1ace717438f856e  ;D

Now you all know why I abhor party politics at the local level - we do not want, here in Australia, any set of government of local, state and federal by one party.

One reason I oppose party politics at the local government level, while working for the Guv on election day..... a fair broker, that's me...

We don't need no one party state here.....

Belgarion wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 7:55pm:

And China is very busy taking it up the arse in its trade war with Australia: https://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/world-markets/chinese-plan-to-cause-australia-economic-pain-from-trade-bans-backfires/news-story/8d57642a517ed808c1ace717438f856e  ;D

Even Old White Joe has come out and said that the Chinkers are being totally silly trying to subjugate Australia... never gonna happen...

rhino wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 1:34pm:

Lol, iron ore hasnt "halved " in price. Its gone down 23 percent in the last year, the previous year it went up by 150 percent. Now its on the way back up , over $100 a tonne, Chinas in a no win situation due to XIs temper tantrum. Chinas economic growth is directly tied to the price of iron ore, if they want the economy to keep growing that will push up the price. A smart leader would have negotiated with Australia for a fixed price. A stupid leader would irritate the country which feeds and provides the resources for continued  economic growth. Lets talk about the price of beef too, he thought, ok we dont need Aussie beef, we will buy it from countries like Argentina, turns out demand was so high from China the Argies sold them a lot of their breeding cattle, so basically they oversold causing a shorage and now the price is also at record highs. Stupid continual emotionally based decisions by Chinas leader, hes like a child who doesnt get his own way and does not care to think through any ramifications of his behaviour. And that is the problem with the one party totalitarian system, no media scrutiny of poor decisions, dissent not allowed, thats what you end up with. XI has set back China 20 years, hes advising his people to stock up on food for goodness sake, try and spin that one.

Xi was invited into the Oz parliament a decade ago. with good relations the key.  What happened? Well paranoid Turnbull decided to kowtow to the paranoid CIA and Pentagon, to ban Huawei. It's been downhill ever since. 

The next decade will be very interesting as China's economy overtakes the US, despite the illegal containment policies of the paranoid West faced with losing global hegemony.   

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 1:49pm:

Great Cleavage, you are peddling a simultaneously ludicrous and sinister ideology with its risible, cloth-eared bombast.

No,  your "individual freedom" ideology IS the sinister force maintaining the status quo in our broken world. Your concept  of "freedom" amounts  to 'survival of the fittest', by definition. 

"individual freedom" must be regulated if we want  common prosperity, and a world without 70 million refugees and entrenched poverty even in the wealthiest nations.

Commonsense, really.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 2:48pm:

The cartel's greatest weakness excretes itself from the Chinese cultural value of 'saving face'; and as the cartel realises the impossibility of a successful invasion of Taiwan, it will focus on every petty bitch fight it has already got itself into (and will generate more) with regional nations. The point being, to shore up its faux sense of superiority and to prevent its loss of face with the Chinese people.

Western  paranoia re loss of US global hegemony is the cause of deteriorating relations.

US global hegemony is  based on 'survival of the fittest' instincts. Such a system cannot last.

The solution is an international rules-based system backed by eg, a UNSC without veto.

But you greedily  insist on your absolute "freedom", a peaceful, well-ordered global community be damned...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 11:25pm:

We don't need no one party state here.....

We certainly do at the federal (national ) level. If you don't agree, I will order you to attend question time in the national parliament, until such time as you beg me to escape from  the mind-destroying inanity of it all.

As for local elections (the states should be dismantled), policies attractive to the electorate should win the day. No party politics required, only capable individuals with the  policies the electorate want. 

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 1^st, 2021 at 11:26pm:

Even Old White Joe has come out and said that the Chinkers are being totally silly trying to subjugate Australia... never gonna happen...

Well the "chinkers" are only human; and they resented their very first world-leading company in history - Huawei - being banned from international trade by a paranoid West led by the US intent on maintaining global hegemony, with significant involvement by Australia. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 11:11am:

rhino wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:34pm: Lol, iron ore hasnt "halved " in price. Its gone down 23 percent in the last year, the previous year it went up by 150 percent. Now its on the way back up , over $100 a tonne, Chinas in a no win situation due to XIs temper tantrum. Chinas economic growth is directly tied to the price of iron ore, if they want the economy to keep growing that will push up the price. A smart leader would have negotiated with Australia for a fixed price. A stupid leader would irritate the country which feeds and provides the resources for continued  economic growth. Lets talk about the price of beef too, he thought, ok we dont need Aussie beef, we will buy it from countries like Argentina, turns out demand was so high from China the Argies sold them a lot of their breeding cattle, so basically they oversold causing a shorage and now the price is also at record highs. Stupid continual emotionally based decisions by Chinas leader, hes like a child who doesnt get his own way and does not care to think through any ramifications of his behaviour. And that is the problem with the one party totalitarian system, no media scrutiny of poor decisions, dissent not allowed, thats what you end up with. XI has set back China 20 years, hes advising his people to stock up on food for goodness sake, try and spin that one. Xi was invited into the Oz parliament a decade ago. with good relations the key.  What happened? Well paranoid Turnbull decided to kowtow to the paranoid CIA and Pentagon, to ban Huawei. It's been downhill ever since.  The next decade will be very interesting as China's economy overtakes the US, despite the illegal containment policies of the paranoid West faced with losing global hegemony.

Cancelling contracts is part of doing business, having a hissy fit over it (as with the French) shows immaturity. And Chinas economy overtaking the US will depend on access to resources, and those resources are Australian. Xi has actually caused a lower standard of living for his people by his actions.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:49pm: Great Cleavage, you are peddling a simultaneously ludicrous and sinister ideology with its risible, cloth-eared bombast. No,  your "individual freedom" ideology IS the sinister force maintaining the status quo in our broken world. Your concept  of "freedom" amounts  to 'survival of the fittest', by definition.  "individual freedom" must be regulated if we want  common prosperity, and a world without 70 million refugees and entrenched poverty even in the wealthiest nations. Commonsense, really.

Bollocks, really.

There are far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China.
People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty.

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Bollocks, really. There a far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China. People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty.

So you think government should rely on private "charity',  to manage a successful economy? While 2  million Australians are involuntarily un- or underemployed?

Just so you can maintain your delusional (instinctive) 'survival of the fittest', 'individual freedom' ideology?

I already posted a link to a SCMP article outlining why Chinese students are increasingly preferring to live in China with its "better living conditions".

Your conception of 'freedom' is flawed, and directly responsible for our broken world.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 12:23pm: Bollocks, really. There a far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China. People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty. So you think government should rely on private "charity',  to manage a successful economy? While 2  million Australians are involuntarily un- or underemployed? Just so you can maintain your delusional (instinctive) 'survival of the fittest', 'individual freedom' ideology? I already posted a link to a SCMP article outlining why Chinese students are increasingly preferring to live in China with its "better living conditions". Your conception of 'freedom' is flawed, and directly responsible for our broken world.

The government doesn't own the country, the society, the economy, the people, not even the unemployed or underemployed.
This is not China.

Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a China man. They are dour and sad with the struggle of life and the constant fear of accidentally saying the wrong thing and ending up in a concentration camp. They are in the process of genociding the Uyghurs who dont quite fit into their master race philosophy .China isnt progressing as a society. You should go there for a visit Cleavage, I bet you are a Uni student.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 11:34am:

The solution is an international rules-based system backed by eg, a UNSC without veto.

In other words, everyone do as China says, without veto.... yeah, right.

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 3:10pm:

In other words, everyone do as China says, without veto.... yeah, right.

How did you come to that conclusion? China will be required to abide by the rules of an international rules-based system , backed by a UNSC without veto, like everyone else. 
The present system of "international law" of course is routinely ignored by everyone - because  your delusional "freedom" ideology prohibits the machinery eg UNSC without veto, required  to establish an internal rules based system.

Hence our continuing broken world, topped off with a nuclear arms race in the age of MAD.  Insane, actually.

rhino wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 2:52pm:

Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a China man.

Ever seen aborigines drinking themselves to death on a Broome beach,  surrounded by broken beer bottles?

Genocide, Oz style.

Whereas China deals with the problem of terrorist Islamists by actually employing them in labour camps. Which is the better approach? 


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China isnt progressing as a society. You should go there for a visit Cleavage, I bet you are a Uni student.

  .......didn't you read the SCMP article I posted yesterday,: Chinese students preferring to move back to China because of better living conditions there.

Here are some global comparisons.

(Google) Which is the No 1 University in China?

1. Tsinghua University. Staying in Beijing, this year's number one among the top universities in China is Tsinghua University, which was also ranked 17th (and first in China) in the QS World University Rankings® 2019.

cf ANU (Oz's highest in QS World University Rankings): 35th.

Chinese lies exposed: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59456548?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom4=ED24857E-5326-11EC-8CD8-7B270EDC252D&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&fbclid=IwAR35qfcxXG67tnmI8sr82lAeYKTKdYK3lXyj2k0-qggAZrgPWECbB8T_-dM  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D

Belgarion wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Chinese lies exposed: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59456548?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom4=ED24857E-5326-11EC-8CD8-7B270EDC252D&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&fbclid=IwAR35qfcxXG67tnmI8sr82lAeYKTKdYK3lXyj2k0-qggAZrgPWECbB8T_-dM  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D

Dirty western media always play dirty tricks. Chinese don't use Facebook in China. It's been blocked. Facebook pronounced "must die" (fei si bu ke) in Chinese and no one wanna to use.

Those accounts were actually created by so called dissident or western puppy. It's not a news and happened in 2019. BBC / Facebook is so rubbish and manipulated that again.

Is Weibo not state controlled Facebook in China?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 8:39pm:

Is Weibo not state controlled Facebook in China?

Nah. It's owned by Sina corp.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 8:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 7:40pm: Chinese lies exposed: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59456548?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom4=ED24857E-5326-11EC-8CD8-7B270EDC252D&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&fbclid=IwAR35qfcxXG67tnmI8sr82lAeYKTKdYK3lXyj2k0-qggAZrgPWECbB8T_-dM  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D Dirty western media always play dirty tricks. Chinese don't use Facebook in China. It's been blocked. Facebook pronounced "must die" (fei si bu ke) in Chinese and no one wanna to use. Those accounts were actually created by so called dissident or western puppy. It's not a news and happened in 2019. BBC / Facebook is so rubbish and manipulated that again.

Victor, you are a very unattractive man.

https://youtu.be/9S6i_xLUlkM

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 4:44pm:

rhino wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:52pm: Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a China man. Ever seen aborigines drinking themselves to death on a Broome beach,  surrounded by broken beer bottles? Genocide, Oz style. Whereas China deals with the problem of terrorist Islamists by actually employing them in labour camps. Which is the better approach?  Quote: China isnt progressing as a society. You should go there for a visit Cleavage, I bet you are a Uni student.   .......didn't you read the SCMP article I posted yesterday,: Chinese students preferring to move back to China because of better living conditions there. Here are some global comparisons. (Google) Which is the No 1 University in China? 1. Tsinghua University. Staying in Beijing, this year's number one among the top universities in China is Tsinghua University, which was also ranked 17th (and first in China) in the QS World University Rankings® 2019. cf ANU (Oz's highest in QS World University Rankings): 35th.

Thought so, Uni student with zero life experience. Mate, Ive been to Broome and a thousand other places while you were still sh1tting in your nappies, Ive been to China , lived in SE Asia for a few years, I speak 3 languages and have lived in the equivalent  number of cultures, I can even understand quite a couple of hundred characters In Chinese, although I cant speak it, can you? Get back to me when you have some real life experience son . Bullsh1t doesnt work on me. Go to China, check out how happy they are to be living the dream. Until you have that experience you shouldnt even be in this conversation. Find another cause like free the gay whales or something.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 8:32pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 7:40pm: Chinese lies exposed: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59456548?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom4=ED24857E-5326-11EC-8CD8-7B270EDC252D&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&fbclid=IwAR35qfcxXG67tnmI8sr82lAeYKTKdYK3lXyj2k0-qggAZrgPWECbB8T_-dM  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D Dirty western media always play dirty tricks. Chinese don't use Facebook in China. It's been blocked. Facebook pronounced "must die" (fei si bu ke) in Chinese and no one wanna to use.

of course they dont want to use it, they dont want to end up in concentration camps for "re education"

rhino wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 10:22pm:

Thought so, Uni student with zero life experience.

You jumped to the wrong conclusion. You said China is not advancing, I showed that China's top uni is now ranked much higher than Oz's top uni....generally a measure of how well a nation is advancing. Doesn't mean I'm a uni student with "zero life experience".



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Mate, Ive been to Broome and a thousand other places while you were still sh1tting in your nappies,

And?  the aboriginal genocide in Broome I saw with my own eyes?  And the public in the NT who are driven mad by police who say "we can't do anything about aboriginal crime" because the judiciary always  puts the 'criminals'  back on the streets...


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I've been to China , lived in SE Asia for a few years, I speak 3 languages and have lived in the equivalent  number of cultures, I can even understand quite a couple of hundred characters In Chinese, although I cant speak it, can you?

What's any of that got to do with the nature and quality of a nation's governance?


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Get back to me when you have some real life experience son . Bullsh1t doesnt work on me. Go to China, check out how happy they are to be living the dream. Until you have that experience you shouldnt even be in this conversation. Find another cause like free the gay whales or something.

Eradication of absolute poverty among 700 million people, plus building a middle class larger than the entire US population. achieved in 30 years, cf with aboriginals drinking themselves to death, even now? And the exhilaration of the world's most extensive high speed rail network? etc etc. 

Belgarion wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Chinese lies exposed:  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D

Speaking of lies, the Xinjiang "genocide" narrative takes the cake.

All started by this German ideologue,  Adrian Zenz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz

Adrian Nikolaus Zenz[2] (born 1974)[3] is a German anthropologist known for his studies of the Xinjiang internment camps (also known as "re-education" camps) and Uyghur genocide.[4] He is a senior fellow in China studies at the [b]Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an anti-communist think tank based in Washington DC[/b].[5][6][7]

Whadaya know, just another McCarthyist fool....

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 4:44pm:

rhino wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:52pm: Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a China man. Ever seen aborigines drinking themselves to death on a Broome beach,  surrounded by broken beer bottles? Genocide, Oz style. Whereas China deals with the problem of terrorist Islamists by actually employing them in labour camps. Which is the better approach?  Quote: China isnt progressing as a society. You should go there for a visit Cleavage, I bet you are a Uni student.   .......didn't you read the SCMP article I posted yesterday,: Chinese students preferring to move back to China because of better living conditions there. Here are some global comparisons. (Google) Which is the No 1 University in China? 1. Tsinghua University. Staying in Beijing, this year's number one among the top universities in China is Tsinghua University, which was also ranked 17th (and first in China) in the QS World University Rankings® 2019. cf ANU (Oz's highest in QS World University Rankings): 35th.

International rankings of universities are big business and big news. These systems order universities on the basis of a variety of criteria such as student to staff ratio, income from industry, and reputation as captured through public surveys.

Universities around the world use their rankings as marketing material and parents and prospective students make life choices on the basis of them.

But the methodology underpinning the Quacquarelli Symonds and Times Higher Education ranking systems and others like them would be unlikely to pass as a third year student’s research project.
https://theconversation.com/university-rankings-dont-measure-what-matters-145425
There a lots of other papers on university ranking. If you look at the metrics of how ranking is calculated you'll see that you can buy better ranking relatively easily. Ranking is primarily a marketing exercise.  And it is about marketing to third world international students, mainly the Chinese, who are awed by this sort of eyewash.

China under 70 years of communist brainwashing has turned into a profoundly incurious, unsophisticated, mindless, philistine place. Its intellectual, artistic, creative elite has been murdered or gone into exile over the past 70 years. What is left is the peasant, hungry, elbowing everyone aside mentality. They have retained almost nothing of their past sophistication but all of the stupidest supersitions man has ever devised - that's what they now call their '3000 year old civilisation'.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 3:44pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 7:40pm: Chinese lies exposed:  Your time is coming Chinese socks.......No 50c for you! ;D Speaking of lies, the Xinjiang "genocide" narrative takes the cake. All started by this German ideologue,  Adrian Zenz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz Adrian Nikolaus Zenz[2] (born 1974)[3] is a German anthropologist known for his studies of the Xinjiang internment camps (also known as "re-education" camps) and Uyghur genocide.[4] He is a senior fellow in China studies at the [b]Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an anti-communist think tank based in Washington DC[/b].[5][6][7] Whadaya know, just another McCarthyist fool....

Western media and gov always lie about China Xinjiang. Whatever right things China done, they always criticize China. I never trust them.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 4:14pm:

International rankings of universities are big business and big news. These systems order universities on the basis of a variety of criteria such as student to staff ratio, income from industry, and reputation as captured through public surveys. Universities around the world use their rankings as marketing material and parents and prospective students make life choices on the basis of them. But the methodology underpinning the Quacquarelli Symonds and Times Higher Education ranking systems and others like them would be unlikely to pass as a third year student’s research project. https://theconversation.com/university-rankings-dont-measure-what-matters-145425 There a lots of other papers on university ranking. If you look at the metrics of how ranking is calculated you'll see that you can buy better ranking relatively easily. Ranking is primarily a marketing exercise.  And it is about marketing to third world international students, mainly the Chinese, who are awed by this sort of eyewash.

So these West-created rankings are mere profit-seeking garbage?  Hmm.


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China under 70 years of communist brainwashing has turned into a profoundly incurious, unsophisticated, mindless, philistine place. Its intellectual, artistic, creative elite has been murdered or gone into exile over the past 70 years.

On the way to being world leaders in AI and computing in the next five years, and creating common prosperity among  1.4 billion people. And the only nation with a space station, when the ISS is decommissioned mid decade. With all citizens able to explore their entire country, via the world's most extensive high-speed rail network. 


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What is left is the peasant, hungry, elbowing everyone aside mentality. They have retained almost nothing of their past sophistication but all of the stupidest supersitions man has ever devised - that's what they now call their '3000 year old civilisation'.

For the record, Chinese history is no grander - or less ugly -
than the 'civilized' post-agricultural-revolution civilizations in the  M.E. or Europe.

But China today is certainly regaining the creative vitality witnessed in the Tang and Song dynasties.

Meanwhile the individual sovereignty delusion is destroying the West from within.   

Laos opens Chinese built $5.9 bn Belt & Road railway

https://youtu.be/E7240YsqFJM


https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/China-Laos-railway-begins-with-limited-service

https://dwvyw8kf1avne.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/inline-images/China-Laos-Map.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.thailand-business-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/tgv-map.jpg

Its lucky the Commonwealth of Australia shut down dictator Dan from the Chink Belts And Roads programme here.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Its lucky the Commonwealth of Australia shut down dictator Dan from the Chink Belts And Roads programme here.

;D ;D ;D That's fool monster politician does. Australia even doesn't have 160km/h railway. A lots of countries have 350km/h railway.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Its lucky the Commonwealth of Australia shut down dictator Dan from the Chink Belts And Roads programme here. ;D ;D ;D Australia even doesn't have 160km/h railway. A lots of countries have 350km/h railway.

Jeez that's pretty fast, i don't know if i want to go that fast on a train with all the hazards around.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Laos opens Chinese built $5.9 bn Belt & Road railway https://youtu.be/E7240YsqFJM https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/China-Laos-railway-begins-with-limited-service https://dwvyw8kf1avne.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/inline-images/China-Laos-Map.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.thailand-business-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/tgv-map.jpg

:D :D

"The three routes use three different gauges".

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Laos opens Chinese built $5.9 bn Belt & Road railway https://youtu.be/E7240YsqFJM https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/China-Laos-railway-begins-with-limited-service https://dwvyw8kf1avne.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/inline-images/China-Laos-Map.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.thailand-business-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/tgv-map.jpg

I, for one, welcome our new insect Over Lords.

Frank wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4th, 2021 at 4:54pm: Laos opens Chinese built $5.9 bn Belt & Road railway https://youtu.be/E7240YsqFJM https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/China-Laos-railway-begins-with-limited-service https://dwvyw8kf1avne.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/inline-images/China-Laos-Map.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.thailand-business-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/tgv-map.jpg :D :D "The three routes use three different gauges".

The middle route uses standard gauge and will extend to Bangkok soon.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

Australia even doesn't have 160km/h railway. A lots of countries have 350km/h railway.

What population size makes a 350km/h railway viable? Or even 160Km/h? ;)

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 5:48pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4th, 2021 at 5:30pm: Australia even doesn't have 160km/h railway. A lots of countries have 350km/h railway. What population size makes a 350km/h railway viable? Or even 160Km/h? ;)

Laos population is 7.2 million much less than Australia 26 million.

Victor Sunny wrote on Dec 4^th, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Laos opens Chinese built $5.9 bn Belt & Road railway https://youtu.be/E7240YsqFJM https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/China-Laos-railway-begins-with-limited-service https://dwvyw8kf1avne.cloudfront.net/s3fs-public/inline-images/China-Laos-Map.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.thailand-business-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/tgv-map.jpg

The "Asian century" is in full swing, under the leadership of China's BRI. Meanwhile the EU is attempting a feeble alternative, with its recently announced Euro 500 billion "Global Gateway" 'values based'  initiative". It will probably last as long as Biden's B3W project, because the EU and US can't even repair  infrastructure in their own countries, neverlone in the developing world, as China is doing.

But in any case the BRI is inspiring many imitators...which is a good thing for global development.

Without the BRI, the greedy West would not have been interested in 3rd world development at all.

Nobody wants to be like China. Not even most Chinese.

The oil rich Arabs are also awash with money but nobody wants to be like them, either - except the Chinese.

The IDEA of China is repellent for everyone, even those who take their money.
Money is all to a hungry people, like China. China has no greater collective memory than centuries of starvation and famine.
That's one reason why they eat anything.

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 8:49pm:

Nobody wants to be like China. Not even most Chinese. The oil rich Arabs are also awash with money but nobody wants to be like them, either - except the Chinese. The IDEA of China is repellent for everyone, even those who take their money. Money is all to a hungry people, like China. China has no greater collective memory than centuries of starvation and famine. That's one reason why they eat anything.

Please explain how the concept of 'common prosperity' is repellant.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2021 at 3:33pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2021 at 8:49pm: Nobody wants to be like China. Not even most Chinese. The oil rich Arabs are also awash with money but nobody wants to be like them, either - except the Chinese. The IDEA of China is repellent for everyone, even those who take their money. Money is all to a hungry people, like China. China has no greater collective memory than centuries of starvation and famine. That's one reason why they eat anything. Please explain how the concept of 'common prosperity' is repellant.

China is not common prosperity.

China is repellent.

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

China is not common prosperity. China is repellent.

China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history, guided by the principle of common prosperity, which it is well on the way to achieving according to the next two 5-years plans. Whereas our slavish adherence to the market economy will ensure entrenched poverty persists, as in most Western countries. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7^th, 2021 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 12:11pm: China is not common prosperity. China is repellent. China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history, guided by the principle of common prosperity, which it is well on the way to achieving according to the next two 5-years plans. Whereas our slavish adherence to the market economy will ensure entrenched poverty persists, as in most Western countries.

After murdering more people than any nation in history.

Listen O' Great Divide.

China's true future is NOT Political, Military or even Religious.

If anyone is to be blamed for the CCP - then blame those nations that deem themselves to be the Political instigators in this world - namely Britain and its USA 'heir'.

Don't tell me the CIA didn't initiate supports for China in regards to the USSR back in the day.

USA (North America) is 'the' Political Region of the World
as is the Middle-East being the Military Region of the World.

...Australia's future is 'Art' - hence why this country is only empowered by a representative from the UK (G-G) and USA (PM) in regards to Politics - or are you going to tell me the Shire Councils and State Premiers have more 'power' than those two Offices in running this country?

Religion to rule over Samerica, etc, etc.

...Blame 'the West' for 'Politics' in Asia. :P >:(

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2021 at 2:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 1:00pm: Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 12:11pm: China is not common prosperity. China is repellent. China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history, guided by the principle of common prosperity, which it is well on the way to achieving according to the next two 5-years plans. Whereas our slavish adherence to the market economy will ensure entrenched poverty persists, as in most Western countries.  After murdering more people than any nation in history.

A quick google shows the number of people murdered in the two world wars alone, doubled those killed in the cultural revolution. (Note: WW2 was really only a continuation of WW1). China was not an active participant, though 10 million or more died in the Japanese occupation of China.

So in the deadly business of sorting out the preferred method of governance, guilt for  murder in the chaos of war is shared by all. 

Note: 2.5% of the US population died in the US civil war alone, cf c.5% in the cultural revolution.

Yes: driven by our irrational (unconscious) survival instincts, we are a deadly species. The question is: how to govern such an animal, to create ....common prosperity....

After the chaos of the cultural revolution, China might have stumbled on the correct formula, and "socialism with Chinese characteristics" might well prove to the the way forward for mankind. We will see. The democracies descending into hyperpartisan rabbles are obviously not viable as they stand at present.

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2021 at 6:07pm:

Listen O' Great Divide. China's true future is NOT Political, Military or even Religious. If anyone is to be blamed for the CCP - then blame those nations that deem themselves to be the Political instigators in this world - namely Britain and its USA 'heir'. Don't tell me the CIA didn't initiate supports for China in regards to the USSR back in the day. USA (North America) is 'the' Political Region of the World as is the Middle-East being the Military Region of the World. ...Australia's future is 'Art' - hence why this country is only empowered by a representative from the UK (G-G) and USA (PM) in regards to Politics - or are you going to tell me the Shire Councils and State Premiers have more 'power' than those two Offices in running this country? Religion to rule over Samerica, etc, etc. ...Blame 'the West' for 'Politics' in Asia. :P >:(

Yes, I'll bet Kissinger (and Nixon) are kicking themselves for implementing  good relations with the CCP, to gain an ally against the USSR.

But I largely agree with your post. I consider China's future holds the possibility for all Men, provided the Party remains adaptable, pragmatic, and committed to common prosperity.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8^th, 2021 at 12:06pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 1:00pm: Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 12:11pm: China is not common prosperity. China is repellent. China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history, guided by the principle of common prosperity, which it is well on the way to achieving according to the next two 5-years plans. Whereas our slavish adherence to the market economy will ensure entrenched poverty persists, as in most Western countries.  After murdering more people than any nation in history. A quick google shows the number of people murdered in the two world wars alone, doubled those killed in the cultural revolution. (Note: WW2 was really only a continuation of WW1). China was not an active participant, though 10 million or more died in the Japanese occupation of China. So in the deadly business of sorting out the preferred method of governance, guilt for  murder in the chaos of war is shared by all.  Note: 2.5% of the US population died in the US civil war alone, cf c.5% in the cultural revolution. Yes: driven by our irrational (unconscious) survival instincts, we are a deadly species. The question is: how to govern such an animal, to create ....common prosperity.... After the chaos of the cultural revolution, China might have stumbled on the correct formula, and "socialism with Chinese characteristics" might well prove to the the way forward for mankind. We will see. The democracies descending into hyperpartisan rabbles are obviously not viable as they stand at present.

You'd be surprised how they come together once they have a real foe to stand up to.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 8^th, 2021 at 1:41pm:

[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1637703554/89#89 date=1638929185] You'd be surprised how (the democracies)  come together once they have a real foe to stand up to.

Yes, like all Men might come together if faced with a superior alien civilization......

Meanwhile the democracies are shouting "human rights abuses" at China, ignoring the homelessness, entrenched poverty, and associated criminality in their own nations.

Hypocrites.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8^th, 2021 at 12:06pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 1:00pm: Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2021 at 12:11pm: China is not common prosperity. China is repellent. China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history, guided by the principle of common prosperity, which it is well on the way to achieving according to the next two 5-years plans. Whereas our slavish adherence to the market economy will ensure entrenched poverty persists, as in most Western countries.  After murdering more people than any nation in history. A quick google shows the number of people murdered in the two world wars alone, doubled those killed in the cultural revolution. (Note: WW2 was really only a continuation of WW1). China was not an active participant, though 10 million or more died in the Japanese occupation of China.

If you paused a little in the breathless, shrill agit-propaganda for the CCP you would realise, would you not, that the two world wars were not two nations.

Frank wrote on Dec 8^th, 2021 at 4:22pm:

If you paused a little in the breathless, shrill agit-propaganda for the CCP you would realise, would you not, that the two world wars were not two nations.

The 2 world wars were murderous contests over world leadership among Western nations, with Japan only meaningfully joining the fray in the 2nd war. 

So, the Western conflict among all Western nations  proved just as murderous (actually twice the death toll)  as the 'Eastern' cultural revolution in China; which is why we need a UNSC without veto, in the age of MAD, to establish an international rules base system.

Your "communism killed the greatest number" argument  is both past history, inaccurate and  irrelevant to the present;  whereas what is accurate is the fact China's one party meritocracy has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 30 years and still continuing (AFTER the cultural revolution] at a faster rate than any nation in history..... with another 400 million people  to achieve middle class status by 2030, 
...making 800 million in all, bigger than the US and the EU middle class combined.  ....while entrenched poverty and inequality are increasing in the US 

With  the entire nation to achieve  common prosperity by mid century (2049. the centenary of the victory of the CCP in China).  

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 5:29pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 4:22pm: If you paused a little in the breathless, shrill agit-propaganda for the CCP you would realise, would you not, that the two world wars were not two nations. The 2 world wars were murderous contests over world leadership among Western nations, with Japan only meaningfully joining the fray in the 2nd war.  So, the Western conflict among all Western nations  proved just as murderous (actually twice the death toll)  as the 'Eastern' cultural revolution in China; which is why we need a UNSC without veto, in the age of MAD, to establish an international rules base system. Your "communism killed the greatest number" argument  is both past history, inaccurate and  irrelevant to the present;  whereas what is accurate is the fact China's one party meritocracy has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 30 years and still continuing (AFTER the cultural revolution] at a faster rate than any nation in history..... with another 400 million people  to achieve middle class status by 2030,  and the entire nation to achieve  common prosperity by mid century (2049. the centenary of the victory of the CCP in China). ...making 800 million in all, bigger than the US and the EU middle class combined.  ....while entrenched poverty and inequality are increasing in the US

Being 'middle class' (another Western concept) is not just about not going hungry.
There is a significant, possibly even as important aspect to it that is completely missing, by definition, in oppressive, one party Marxist states: personal freedom and self-determination.
You focus entirely on material aspects, hunger in particular. China has been hungry for a very long time.
China will not have a middle class even when all the Chinese have enough to eat, as long as it is a communist dictatorship.
But once they all have enough to eat they will not want the dictators to control what they think, aspire to.
Enough to eat is the first step but never the last.  It's going to end in another sea of blood and tears for China.

Don't worry about the fear-mongering American Media of selfish patriotic motivations.
China's military machine, though 'numerous', is - in essence, cheaply MADE IN CHINA.
As they say, kill one Chinese, ten others drop dead.

It will be a Sino-v-Russo War.
It will be Islam burning France to the ground like a Cathedral, until they get their 'Messiah' to die for their Moslem sins as an 'empire'.

What American Media doesn't tell or show you - is what's really going on outside their own nation.

And China Vader looked on at his son USA Skywalker as the evil Russian Emperor (once Communist) threw bitter bolts of lightning at him.
...until China Vader picked up Emperor Russia and through his monkey off his back.

You see, there's more to the 'rest of the world' than America and its Media than you think. You might find that even the USA and any of its Presidents are not 'fully in control' of events. ;)

Oh, did I say years ago that China is a 'sick' Economy due to collapse? ;)

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

Being 'middle class' (another Western concept) is not just about not going hungry.

Correct.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Beijing_Symphony_Orchestra%2C_Sep_6%2C_2018.jpg


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There is a significant, possibly even as important aspect to it that is completely missing, by definition, in oppressive, one party Marxist states: personal freedom and self-determination.

Those musicians are undoubtedly free and following their passion.


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You focus entirely on material aspects, hunger in particular. China has been hungry for a very long time. China will not have a middle class even when all the Chinese have enough to eat, as long as it is a communist dictatorship. But once they all have enough to eat they will not want the dictators to control what they think, aspire to. Enough to eat is the first step but never the last.  It's going to end in another sea of blood and tears for China.

I reckon rising living standards AND access to the arts, sports, etc will satisfy Chinese aspirations.

Jasin wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 10:15pm:

Don't worry about the fear-mongering American Media of selfish patriotic motivations. China's military machine, though 'numerous', is - in essence, cheaply MADE IN CHINA. As they say, kill one Chinese, ten others drop dead.

Funny the Pentagon is so concerned about a recent Chinese test of a hypersonic weapon.


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It will be a Sino-v-Russo War.

Not while the US is driving China and Russia together.


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It will be Islam burning France to the ground like a Cathedral, until they get their 'Messiah' to die for their Moslem sins as an 'empire'.

Well, the CCP is dealing with the Islamic terrorist threat, via re-education camps in Xinjiang. Quite successful by all accounts  - the place is now free of terrorist attacks; cf the US failure to deal with terrorism in Afghanistan.


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What American Media doesn't tell or show you - is what's really going on outside their own nation.

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And China Vader looked on at his son USA Skywalker as the evil Russian Emperor (once Communist) threw bitter bolts of lightning at him. ...until China Vader picked up Emperor Russia and through his monkey off his back.

I don't read comic books, or watch sci fi films. 


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You see, there's more to the 'rest of the world' than America and its Media than you think. You might find that even the USA and any of its Presidents are not 'fully in control' of events.

The US couldn't even deal with the Taliban...because  they were only in it to support the military industrial complex in the US.

But they are determined  to ensure the Pentagon remains enforcer of US global hegemony. We will have a clearer picture in a decade, when China's economy is set to surpass the US.


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Oh, did I say years ago that China is a 'sick' Economy due to collapse? ;)

Many people said that years ago. My money is on China being the largest economy in a decade.

[I can't believe even their US-educated economists would be so incapable as to let all the manufacturing capacity and engineering know how in China "collapse", given the huge Chinese market]. 

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 4:22pm: If you paused a little in the breathless, shrill agit-propaganda for the CCP you would realise, would you not, that the two world wars were not two nations. The 2 world wars were murderous contests over world leadership among Western nations, with Japan only meaningfully joining the fray in the 2nd war.  So, the Western conflict among all Western nations  proved just as murderous (actually twice the death toll)  as the 'Eastern' cultural revolution in China; which is why we need a UNSC without veto, in the age of MAD, to establish an international rules base system. Your "communism killed the greatest number" argument  is both past history, inaccurate and  irrelevant to the present;  whereas what is accurate is the fact China's one party meritocracy has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 30 years and still continuing (AFTER the cultural revolution] at a faster rate than any nation in history..... with another 400 million people  to achieve middle class status by 2030,  and the entire nation to achieve  common prosperity by mid century (2049. the centenary of the victory of the CCP in China). ...making 800 million in all, bigger than the US and the EU middle class combined.  ....while entrenched poverty and inequality are increasing in the US     Being 'middle class' (another Western concept) is not just about not going hungry. There is a significant, possibly even as important aspect to it that is completely missing, by definition, in oppressive, one party Marxist states: personal freedom and self-determination. You focus entirely on material aspects, hunger in particular. China has been hungry for a very long time. China will not have a middle class even when all the Chinese have enough to eat, as long as it is a communist dictatorship. But once they all have enough to eat they will not want the dictators to control what they think, aspire to. Enough to eat is the first step but never the last.  It's going to end in another sea of blood and tears for China.

frank , i hate to break it to you but 2 universities in qld announced today that the unjabbed will not be allowed to attend university.

and people just go along with it

people in the west are just as compliant to dictatorial decree.

in fact, they love it
they love their subjugation

aquascoot wrote on Dec 10^th, 2021 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 5:41pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 5:29pm: Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2021 at 4:22pm: If you paused a little in the breathless, shrill agit-propaganda for the CCP you would realise, would you not, that the two world wars were not two nations. The 2 world wars were murderous contests over world leadership among Western nations, with Japan only meaningfully joining the fray in the 2nd war.  So, the Western conflict among all Western nations  proved just as murderous (actually twice the death toll)  as the 'Eastern' cultural revolution in China; which is why we need a UNSC without veto, in the age of MAD, to establish an international rules base system. Your "communism killed the greatest number" argument  is both past history, inaccurate and  irrelevant to the present;  whereas what is accurate is the fact China's one party meritocracy has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 30 years and still continuing (AFTER the cultural revolution] at a faster rate than any nation in history..... with another 400 million people  to achieve middle class status by 2030,  and the entire nation to achieve  common prosperity by mid century (2049. the centenary of the victory of the CCP in China). ...making 800 million in all, bigger than the US and the EU middle class combined.  ....while entrenched poverty and inequality are increasing in the US     Being 'middle class' (another Western concept) is not just about not going hungry. There is a significant, possibly even as important aspect to it that is completely missing, by definition, in oppressive, one party Marxist states: personal freedom and self-determination. You focus entirely on material aspects, hunger in particular. China has been hungry for a very long time. China will not have a middle class even when all the Chinese have enough to eat, as long as it is a communist dictatorship. But once they all have enough to eat they will not want the dictators to control what they think, aspire to. Enough to eat is the first step but never the last.  It's going to end in another sea of blood and tears for China. frank , i hate to break it to you but 2 universities in qld announced today that the unjabbed will not be allowed to attend university. and people just go along with it people in the west are just as compliant to dictatorial decree. in fact, they love it they love their subjugation

That the West is being systematically gelded by the pc/woke is not in dispute. Universities and the public service are the most pc/woke without any doubt and are prime agents of that gelding.


But people do not put up with dictators for long as a normal state of affairs.

O' Great Divide.

When I was saying China is a Sick Economy and their Military would be just a Supernova (nothing but a Dwarf Star in the end). You and everyone (media) were saying how we must Trade more with China and how powerful they have become.

...to soften the blow of the 'threat' of WW3 itself and what it will do to this world. It's best to let the Bad Guys fight among themselves. You obviously don't know how this world works, because you obviously can't pick up that this world works from more than just Politics, Military and Religion for starters, let alone the Media.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

Being 'middle class' (another Western concept) is not just about not going hungry.

Correct.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Beijing_Symphony_Orchestra%2C_Sep_6%2C_2018.jpg




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There is a significant, possibly even as important aspect to it that is completely missing, by definition, in oppressive, one party Marxist states: personal freedom and self-determination.

Those musicians are undoubtedly free and following their passion.


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You focus entirely on material aspects, hunger in particular. China has been hungry for a very long time. China will not have a middle class even when all the Chinese have enough to eat, as long as it is a communist dictatorship. But once they all have enough to eat they will not want the dictators to control what they think, aspire to. Enough to eat is the first step but never the last.  It's going to end in another sea of blood and tears for China.

I reckon rising living standards AND access to the arts, sports, etc will satisfy Chinese aspirations.

Jasin wrote on Dec 10^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

O' Great Divide. When I was saying China is a Sick Economy and their Military would be just a Supernova (nothing but a Dwarf Star in the end). You and everyone (media) were saying how we must Trade more with China and how powerful they have become.

Actually I have not said we must trade with China; indeed, if  the paranoid US wants to decouple, China's market is big enough for China to develop and become the world's
largest economy without trade with the West.



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...to soften the blow of the 'threat' of WW3 itself and what it will do to this world. It's best to let the Bad Guys fight among themselves. You obviously don't know how this world works, because you obviously can't pick up that this world works from more than just Politics, Military and Religion for starters, let alone the Media.

"WW3" ...remember what Einstein said about it...if the "bad guys" start fighting , we are all caught up in it, in the age of MAD.

But do enlighten us to "what this world works from" beyond politics, economics, art, science, sport, religion; and the media (communication) , and military "defense" to solve disagreement. 

It's not beyond Man to de-legitimize war, in the age of MAD.

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

That the West is being systematically gelded by the pc/woke is not in dispute. Universities and the public service are the most pc/woke without any doubt and are prime agents of that gelding.

Conservatives have trouble examining the truth, they prefer to see the status quo through rose-coloured glasses, and deny history.   

eg Alan Tudge  railing against uni courses which "teach students to hate our country",  and which dare to look at Anzac Day in a dispassionate  manner. [I'm passionate about Anzac day alright: young lads breathing their last looking at their own guts splattered on their boots, because Churchill f*cked up....]

Talk about "gelding" and "PC woke"...


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But people do not put up with dictators for long as a normal state of affairs.

...because people are naturally rational and heroic and generous....

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2021 at 6:53pm: That the West is being systematically gelded by the pc/woke is not in dispute. Universities and the public service are the most pc/woke without any doubt and are prime agents of that gelding. Conservatives have trouble examining the truth, they prefer to see the status quo through rose-coloured glasses, and deny history.    eg Alan Tudge  railing against uni courses which "teach students to hate our country",  and which dare to look at Anzac Day in a dispassionate  manner. [I'm passionate about Anzac day alright: young lads breathing their last looking at their own guts splattered on their boots, because Churchill f*cked up....] Talk about "gelding" and "PC woke"... Quote: But people do not put up with dictators for long as a normal state of affairs. ...because people are naturally rational and heroic and generous....

The great ignorance and internal contradiction of progressives is regarding environmental conservationists as good and and cultural conservationists as bad.
They want every culture preserved except their own.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2021 at 5:30pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2021 at 6:53pm: That the West is being systematically gelded by the pc/woke is not in dispute. Universities and the public service are the most pc/woke without any doubt and are prime agents of that gelding. Conservatives have trouble examining the truth, they prefer to see the status quo through rose-coloured glasses, and deny history.    eg Alan Tudge  railing against uni courses which "teach students to hate our country",  and which dare to look at Anzac Day in a dispassionate  manner. [I'm passionate about Anzac day alright: young lads breathing their last looking at their own guts splattered on their boots, because Churchill f*cked up....] Talk about "gelding" and "PC woke"... Quote: But people do not put up with dictators for long as a normal state of affairs. ...because people are naturally rational and heroic and generous.... The great ignorance and internal contradiction of progressives is regarding environmental conservationists as good and and cultural conservationists as bad. They want every culture preserved except their own.

And you defend alleged child rapists.

American Democracy? Or Ameri-cracy?!

https://youtu.be/kmmU6B8ifD8

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

The great ignorance and internal contradiction of progressives is regarding environmental conservationists as good and and cultural conservationists as bad. They want every culture preserved except their own.

Cultural conservationists?

Of a culture.... warts and all?

I thought not...though I agree  - economically speaking -  the  mainstream Left has been diverted from defending the working class since the demise of the USSR which appeared to (erroneously) "prove" that "socialism"  doesn't work, and so the Left has allowed itself to be diverted by 'identity politics'.

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

That the West is being systematically gelded by the pc/woke is not in dispute. Universities and the public service are the most pc/woke without any doubt and are prime agents of that gelding.

The pc/woke gelders would not bother visiting Frank because Frank's nuts were harvested by others decades ago.

https://youtu.be/rsZtuAOMegQ

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:26am:

https://youtu.be/rsZtuAOMegQ

Priceless.....  and China aims to be twice the size of the US economy by 2035. Judging by this video, achievable.   

We live in exciting times.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 6:26am: https://youtu.be/rsZtuAOMegQ Priceless.....  and China aims to be twice the size of the US economy by 2035. Judging by this video, achievable.    We live in exciting times.

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

Buckleys. There will be a civil war in the US before that happens.

And meanwhile the advantages of a consensus one-party meritocracy over an adversarial two-party rabble will become increasingly evident to the whole world.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:

And meanwhile the advantages of a consensus one-party meritocracy over an adversarial two-party rabble will become increasingly evident to the whole world.

That's what Stalin said.

Check this out -
these internet sites are blocked in China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China

It even includes:
Australia's ABC    www.abc.net.au

reuters.com

bbc.co.uk (or bbc.com)

www.youtube.com

wikipedia.org

www.google.com

www.facebook.com

nytimes.com



and many,  many more.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

That's what Stalin said.

The USSR was never more than half the size of the US economy. China is set to double the US by 2035. Something to do with a pragmatic synthesis of capitalism and communism...as one commentator said of the results: "Wow!".

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:51pm:

Check this out - these internet sites are blocked in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China It even includes: Australia's ABC    www.abc.net.au reuters.com bbc.co.uk (or bbc.com) www.youtube.com wikipedia.org www.google.com www.facebook.com nytimes.com and many,  many more.

And so they should block those sites which are all pushing an obsolete individual sovereignty ideology over and above the required global sustainable common prosperity, achievement of which is necessary for the planet's survival. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:51pm: Check this out - these internet sites are blocked in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China It even includes: Australia's ABC    www.abc.net.au reuters.com bbc.co.uk (or bbc.com) www.youtube.com wikipedia.org www.google.com www.facebook.com nytimes.com and many,  many more. And so they should block those sites which are all pushing an obsolete individual sovereignty ideology over and above the required global sustainable common prosperity, achievement of which is necessary for the planet's survival.

Are you now or have you ever been

a member of the communist party?

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:44pm: That's what Stalin said. The USSR was never more than half the size of the US economy. China is set to double the US by 2035. Something to do with a pragmatic synthesis of capitalism and communism...as one commentator said of the results: "Wow!".

Yes. And even at half the size the USSR couldn't stand up.

It's a fallacy to think bigger is always better.

1.4 billion people are not united, as the CCP constantly trumpet (That's how you know it's propaganda - if they need to roll out the same 'unity' trope every time there's an official statement, then it's because they're not united).

And how could 1.4 billion people all think the same? That wouldn't even be true in a small Chinese village.

And you see this everywhere in politics. Ever heard: 'The Australian people think/know/understand that insert issue here .

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:51pm:

Check this out - these internet sites are blocked in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China It even includes: Australia's ABC    www.abc.net.au reuters.com bbc.co.uk (or bbc.com) www.youtube.com wikipedia.org www.google.com www.facebook.com nytimes.com and many,  many more.

I suppose it's not as bad as Australia.
We block over 10,000 sites:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia


Two blocklists
As of October 2008, the plan includes two blocklists, the first used to filter "illegal" content, and the second used to filter additional content unsuitable for children. The first filter will be mandatory for all users of the Internet, while the second filter allows opting out. The government will not release details of the content on either list,[116] but has stated that the mandatory filter would include at least 10,000 sites, and include both the ACMA blocklist and UK's Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) blocklist. In December 2008 the IWF list caused problems when the Wikipedia article Virgin Killer was added to the list, as it prevented many people in the UK from being able to edit Wikipedia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No! The American colonies were once British possessions. The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,.. 

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:53pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No! The American colonies were once British possessions. The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion. Not just that． In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..  Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 5:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:53pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No! The American colonies were once British possessions. The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion. Not just that． In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..  Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen. 

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 5:33pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 5:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:53pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No! The American colonies were once British possessions. The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion. Not just that． In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..  Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton. That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen.

Are you posting from China?

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 5:33pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 5:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:53pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 4:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:30pm: Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 3:25pm: Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China. We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then  suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century. When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No! The American colonies were once British possessions. The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion. Not just that． In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..  Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton. That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen.

Found whole sentence from article - The Spies Who Launched America’s Industrial Revolution

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton, mohair and linen workers who operated them.

British indeed tried to contain USA from booming and failed.

This is interesting. Britain was superpower at the time and had biggest land included Canada, Australia, India, and South Africa etc. Just like today AUKUS. However, British failed to contain US to become another superpower in the world. Will history repeat itself. Let's see!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Yes. And even at half the size the USSR couldn't stand up.It's a fallacy to think bigger is always better.

Which gets us back to the CCP goals: individual success AND common prosperity; whether Stalin said it or not, he did not achieve it, whereas every indication is China is well on the way to achieving it, while we know it's impossible for the US with its sovereign individual, 'survival of the fittest' ideology to achieve it. 


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1.4 billion people are not united, as the CCP constantly trumpet (That's how you know it's propaganda - if they need to roll out the same 'unity' trope every time there's an official statement, then it's because they're not united).

90% of the population support the national government in China,  cf 50% of the population (at best) in the US.


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And how could 1.4 billion people all think the same? That wouldn't even be true in a small Chinese village.

They don't all think the same, now you are being disingenuous, conflating support for their 'socialist'  government with "all thinking the same".


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And you see this everywhere in politics. Ever heard: 'The Australian people think/know/understand that insert issue here .

Yes, in adversarial, two-party, Western 'democratic' rabbles aka politics, characterized by hyper-partisanship and gridlock.