Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/penny-wong-is-damaging-australia-s-position-on-china-for-domestic-partisan-purposes/ar-AAR4NXQ?ocid=msedgntp

Johnnie wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/penny-wong-is-damaging-australia-s-position-on-china-for-domestic-partisan-purposes/ar-AAR4NXQ?ocid=msedgntp

Well, if true, she's either got family still oppressed with the cartel's foot on their neck... Or, maybe, cultural blood is thicker than water.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:54pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:51pm: Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/penny-wong-is-damaging-australia-s-position-on-china-for-domestic-partisan-purposes/ar-AAR4NXQ?ocid=msedgntp Well, if true, she's either got family still oppressed with the cartel's foot on their neck... Or, maybe, cultural blood is thicker than water.

Either way she always comes out fighting for Xi

In Las Vegas, the Lyft driver couldn't find me so gave me a ring. I told him I was standing in front of a restaurant called "Big Wong" and we both had a laugh.

AiA wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

In Las Vegas, the Lyft driver couldn't find me so gave me a ring. I told him I was standing in front of a restaurant called "Big Wong" and we both had a laugh.

Mr and Mrs Wong had a baby and they called it Sum Ding Wong and it turned out to be a lesbian anti Australian high ranking politician.

Anyone got a link that shows exactly what The Wong said?  Penny and her lesbian 'wife' had a baby.. two Wongs didn't make it, right?

HERE! Let me try for you - The Guardian - it puts up a thing about 'you choose mo'focka' but I can still scroll and read:-

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/22/penny-wong-decries-morrison-governments-position-on-taiwan-as-most-dangerous-election-tactic-in-australian-history

Apparently CCP posturing over Taiwan etc has nothing to do with China being 'assertive', but is really an 'election tactic' by the Morrison government.

WTF has she been smoking?  Even the Labor Party expressed concerns over Chinese 'assertiveness' which includes such things as invading neighbours, so where does The Wong actually stand, and why?

Pissing into the wind if you ask me..... is the world to stand by, as it did with Rwanda, and allow an entire small nation that has declared independence to be massacred and enslaved?  First we'll take Taipei, then we'll take Hanoi, Manila and all points East, South and West. 

Is that what we've become?  Craven cowards who lie down when someone raises a voice and threatens us?  To quote Jack Ripper (Dr Strangelove) we might as well get it over with now.. it's going to happen anyway.

Nobody wants any war - but it is hardly the fault of anyone but the 'assertive' China that this is becoming more and more probable.  The West needs to cut trade with China now, rebuild its own industrial networks with more congenial nations, and let China wither on the vine NOW!

When Ah were a child in a hugely dysfunctional family - there were only two ways of resolving disputes - doing nothing or fighting.  Later I had to learn to be Assertive instead - being Assertive means stating your position calmly with strength - it does not mean lying down like a dog or rattling the sabre and threatening to wipe out the 'other side'.

Could someone explain to me how the current Chinese stance is 'assertive'?  They threatened to bomb Australia and Japan, they went into a rant over Australia acquiring weapons of of defence called nuclear powered submarines, they're going to fix Taiwan etc by any means, they are constantly pushing out illegally into the South china Sea and threatening their neighbours....

How is any of that 'assertive'?  Mealy-mouthed modern type expression right there - no wonder the Chinkers think we're pussies...

Wenny Pong is Malaysian Chinese so I doubt there's CCCP pressure, her Chinese appeasement is probably a product of her being in the Labor left silo think.

Pong is one of those politicians who I like but disagree with just about every position they hold.

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:08am:

Wenny Pong is Malaysian Chinese so I doubt there's CCCP pressure, her Chinese appeasement is probably a product of her being in the Labor left silo think. Pong is one of those politicians who I like but disagree with just about every position they hold.

Amazing how out of touch these people are - and paid handsomely to be so.... for life and beyond.

Graps...



In 1991, around 250 protesters were shot in what became known as the Dili Massacre. This too was dismissed as an “aberration” by the then Hawke government and when Mr Keating became PM later that year the first country he visited was Indonesia. And in 1995, Australia and Indonesia signed a sweet little security pact.

East Timor had been subjected to the most brutal and horrific oppression by Jakarta but Canberra cosied up to the oppressor because it was assumed there was nothing we could do.

But we were wrong. Less than five years later the Howard government managed to facilitate the independence of East Timor, using Mr Howard’s own wily pragmatism combined with a dash of moral courage.

There is still a deafening silence in the Labor Party on what it did to East Timor. And that silence is the echo of what Mr Keating says about China today.

I still love Paul Keating, I still love the Labor Party and I still love pragmatism. But pragmatism only has a purpose if it is directed towards an ultimate greater good.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-eyewatering-irony-of-paul-keating-comments-on-china/news-story/981b660da7be1772c3e362952961aa61

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:54pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 8:51pm: Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/penny-wong-is-damaging-australia-s-position-on-china-for-domestic-partisan-purposes/ar-AAR4NXQ?ocid=msedgntp Well, if true, she's either got family still oppressed with the cartel's foot on their neck... Or, maybe, cultural blood is thicker than water.

She was born in MALAYSIA to an Australian mother & a father of Hakka Han(chinese) descent.

She came to Australia when she was 8 .....

I doubt she has family oppressed in Malaysia nor China.

And if you remember rightly it was the Gough Whitlams & Paul Keatings of our political history with a penchant for pissing in Beijings pockets.

Wong is just following Labor policy.

Pity she wasn't as outspoken about the Chinese human rights abuses.

China is no ones friend except Chinas.

Racism alive and well at Oz Pol.

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:18am:

Pity she wasn't as outspoken about the Chinese human rights abuses.

Yes, a pity and a mystery that would be best explained by Wong herself.

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:12am:

Graps... In 1991, around 250 protesters were shot in what became known as the Dili Massacre. This too was dismissed as an “aberration” by the then Hawke government and when Mr Keating became PM later that year the first country he visited was Indonesia. And in 1995, Australia and Indonesia signed a sweet little security pact. East Timor had been subjected to the most brutal and horrific oppression by Jakarta but Canberra cosied up to the oppressor because it was assumed there was nothing we could do. But we were wrong. Less than five years later the Howard government managed to facilitate the independence of East Timor, using Mr Howard’s own wily pragmatism combined with a dash of moral courage. There is still a deafening silence in the Labor Party on what it did to East Timor. And that silence is the echo of what Mr Keating says about China today. I still love Paul Keating, I still love the Labor Party and I still love pragmatism. But pragmatism only has a purpose if it is directed towards an ultimate greater good. https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-eyewatering-irony-of-paul-keating-comments-on-china/news-story/981b660da7be1772c3e362952961aa61

I fear that the Labor Party, since it's turning inwards under the feminist rule, has lost sight of any 'greater good' in its utter confusion of ideology.  Even the Dili Massacre - and I have long railed against Australia's supine behaviour on that one etc - occurred at the time when Labor was transiting to becoming a gynocracy, and was enforcing affirmative action in the party and down into the Union movement - of which latter I was part, and as a delegate targeted by management - was refused even the opportunity to apply for work direct with the Union to suit affirmative action (under the guise of EEO).... No Country For Any Men (White that is)... and look at the Union joint now.... ::)  ::)  ::)

Look at the place today, with its wishy-washy social science gynocratic silliness better suited to a discussion of the evils of the old man over a sherry in the lady's parlour at the local pub... and its utter lack of real balls to stand up to the realities of the cold hard world. 

Too many centuries as a protected species does not suit women to run the show in any way....

Heat too hot in the kitchen comes to mind...

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:26am:

Racism alive and well at Oz Pol.

Why?  Is criticism of the flawed non-thinking of a political figure now racism?  Is commenting on some half-baked backroom ideological concept now racism?

Is everything racism when it suits, just to shut down discussion?

HERE!  You hand the keys of Asia and Australia over to the CCP then .... I take no responsibility and will retire to a mountain top where one day the CCP, once they take over, will dig me out as an anti-social element for seeking my own total independence......

Remember Hue?  Seek the middle ground between Communist and US-backed government, and pursue the way of peace and neutral independence - and you end up in a mass grave shot through the head.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:26am: Racism alive and well at Oz Pol. Why?

This:

"Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes."

Racism 101

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:48am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:46am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:26am: Racism alive and well at Oz Pol. Why?  This: "Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes." Racism 101

Well - two wongs don't make a white... you know that... some may consider Penny stupid in her utterances because she has slanty eyes - I figure she's just a stupid backroom fed political animal with no solid grounding in reality or in facts.... what sounds good in the party room doesn't make it in the real world - ask Scomo ...

No wonder Labor can't oust those idiots....

P.S.  Greg, there are several that people here do not pay a lot of attention to - 'Mr Bundy' is one of them since he is an obvious troll - the kind of name I ignore the moment I see it... be wary of becoming the same...

I see Smith, Bundy, mothra unless I feel like baiting the bear, jim lahey (who many say are you incarnate DILLIGAF?), Karnal who is so bizarre nobody takes him/her seriously, and a few others- and simply pass them by unless I feel like sticking a needle in them... though some need a needle in the arm in an execution chamber ..... freed?  Bobby?

https://i.postimg.cc/bYV3ZJNZ/scrnli-11-24-2021-7-17-49-AM.png

lee wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 11:38am:

https://i.postimg.cc/bYV3ZJNZ/scrnli-11-24-2021-7-17-49-AM.png

Amazing how these people get national coverage for their silly ideas. Wong has her strong points - international relationships is obviously not one of them.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:48am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 10:46am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 9:26am: Racism alive and well at Oz Pol. Why?  This: "Penny is backing the Chinx, must be them slanty eyes." Racism 101 Well - two wongs don't make a white... you know that... some may consider Penny stupid in her utterances because she has slanty eyes - I figure she's just a stupid backroom fed political animal with no solid grounding in reality or in facts.... what sounds good in the party room doesn't make it in the real world - ask Scomo ... No wonder Labor can't oust those idiots.... P.S.  Greg, there are several that people here do not pay a lot of attention to - 'Mr Bundy' is one of them since he is an obvious troll - the kind of name I ignore the moment I see it... be wary of becoming the same... I see Smith, Bundy, mothra unless I feel like baiting the bear, jim lahey (who many say are you incarnate DILLIGAF?), Karnal who is so bizarre nobody takes him/her seriously, and a few others- and simply pass them by unless I feel like sticking a needle in them... though some need a needle in the arm in an execution chamber ..... freed?  Bobby?

It wouldn't surprise me one little bit if an identical like (bundy) is one of the Mothra (aka Titwhack) types, just writing something they can virtue signal against.

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:08am:

Wenny Pong is Malaysian Chinese so I doubt there's CCCP pressure, her Chinese appeasement is probably a product of her being in the Labor left silo think. Pong is one of those politicians who I like but disagree with just about every position they hold.

She is half Chinese Malay.

Her mother is white Australian.

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An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  They all become nothing but empty sounding boards for whatever party silliness is in vogue at the time and become so locked into their easy lifestyle on fat salary and massive perks - each costing the taxpayer near $3m a year in direct costs - and forget what they are there for while lost in the idea that they are just there to 'wedge' the opposition and play games.

Talk about the need for a new broom.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:50pm:

An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  They all become nothing but empty sounding boards for whatever party silliness is in vogue at the time and become so locked into their easy lifestyle on fat salary and massive perks - each costing the taxpayer near $3m a year in direct costs - and forget what they are there for while lost in the idea that they are just there to 'wedge' the opposition and play games. Talk about the need for a new broom.....

You could get a shitload of Grapplers and a shitload of Valkies for that money and still have change

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:50pm:

An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.

A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers.

Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them.

What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 1:50pm: An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers. Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them. What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power.

It's not about 'being a good politician' playing games - it's about doing the job you are elected and paid to do - not just parrot party nonsense daily.  It's not about the appearance of looking good for the cameras etc or being an upstanding rep of some 'minority' - it's about doing the job.

Politicians too long in the job forget their place and what they are there for - after all - it won't affect them if they posture and make silly moves - they're covered for life already, right?

Simple.  There are capable people out here who could do the job without all the garbage that party politics brings... and keep an eye on the simple reality that they are there to husband this nation on behalf of the people - not to govern it in any way they choose as their personal fiefdom.

On the subject of CCP aggression - Wong is being utterly stupid in using it as a political point scoring op - if the Anschluss takes place all the way down to Singapore - will she still feel the same?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:00pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 1:50pm: An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers. Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them. What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power. It's not about 'being a good politician' playing games - it's about doing the job you are elected and paid to do - not just parrot party nonsense daily.  It's not about the appearance of looking good for the cameras etc or being an upstanding rep of some 'minority' - it's about doing the job.

Yes, of course... Just like being a mechanic is all about wearing blue overalls with grease splattered all over them and playing the game of finding a shopping list of problems on a customer's car.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:09pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:00pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 1:50pm: An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers. Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them. What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power. It's not about 'being a good politician' playing games - it's about doing the job you are elected and paid to do - not just parrot party nonsense daily.  It's not about the appearance of looking good for the cameras etc or being an upstanding rep of some 'minority' - it's about doing the job. Yes, of course... Just like being a mechanic is all about wearing blue overalls with grease splattered all over them and playing the game of finding a shopping list of problems on a customer's car.

Silly comparison - a mechanic has to deal with hard and simple mechanical things - when people play politics instead of being representatives, they are just making it up as they go along - then they lose track altogether.

Look how far the likes of Albo are from the simple reality, laid out time and again, that there is no 'wage gap' unless you look at what is paid to women compared to what is paid to men per hour actually worked - when it is clearly in favour of women.

That's the sort of utter stupidity I mean - adhering to the party line and just posturing does nothing for reality and hard facts - and has no relationship to being a mechanic and the need to actually do things and get them right.

A politician can dick around for years playing party games and never achieve a thing, and yet be lauded as a 'good politician'.

Nah then - what has St Penny of The Wong ever done for us exactly?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:00pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 1:50pm: An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers. Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them. What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power. It's not about 'being a good politician' playing games - it's about doing the job you are elected and paid to do - not just parrot party nonsense daily.  It's not about the appearance of looking good for the cameras etc or being an upstanding rep of some 'minority' - it's about doing the job. Yes, of course... Just like being a mechanic is all about wearing blue overalls with grease splattered all over them and playing the game of finding a shopping list of problems on a customer's car. Silly comparison - a mechanic has to deal with hard and simple mechanical things - when people play politics instead of being representatives, they are just making it up as they go along - then they lose track altogether.

No. It's synonymous with: 'politicians are all the same... They're only in it for themselves'...

You're just proving that its an easy trap to think you know more than you do about something you've never done.

Try it yourself... Let us know how you get on.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:23pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:16pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:05pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:00pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 1:50pm: An outstanding example of why we do not want career politicians, and why they should be restricted to two terms and no more.  A good example of Dunning-Kruger... As if anybody could be a politician. Good ones take years to develop into effective ones and before that they usually have had an interest in politics since they were teenagers. Yes, there are 'bad eggs'.. Name an industry or profession that doesn't have them. What should be abolished is upper houses... That's where you'll find inexperienced or undemocratically appointed swill who often find themselves holding the balance of power. It's not about 'being a good politician' playing games - it's about doing the job you are elected and paid to do - not just parrot party nonsense daily.  It's not about the appearance of looking good for the cameras etc or being an upstanding rep of some 'minority' - it's about doing the job. Yes, of course... Just like being a mechanic is all about wearing blue overalls with grease splattered all over them and playing the game of finding a shopping list of problems on a customer's car. Silly comparison - a mechanic has to deal with hard and simple mechanical things - when people play politics instead of being representatives, they are just making it up as they go along - then they lose track altogether. No. It's synonymous with: 'politicians are all the same... They're only in it for themselves'... You're just proving that its an easy trap to think you know more than you do about something you've never done. Try it yourself... Let us know how you get on.

Fine - when do I start?  When to I get a Minister portfolio?  Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character.

You prove my point .....  now - which party do you think will sweep me into its ranks?  Labor for my opposition to feminism and all its bullshit and my opposition to all the other bullshit that passes for social science these days that somehow rules the roost... Liberal for my opposition to developing a new feudal society of imbalance .... the Greens.. well... let's not go there... so who?

If Labor had any sense they'd have listened to me years ago..... and actually done the right thing for all and not their special interest groups... and actually work as the Law requires them to do.

While I agree with you often - not this time.  Don't take it personally.

I still say we do not need or want career politicians who go stale and empty - we do not need party politics at local level - and local and state should stay out of many areas that are federal and vice versa.  And we need an overhaul of how the money is spent.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Fine - when do I start?  When to I get a Minister portfolio?  Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character.

You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate...

Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:46pm: Fine - when do I start?  When to I get a Minister portfolio?  Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character. You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate... Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss...

Ha, ha - the difficulty is not in having solid policies - it is in having the coverage of them in a realistic manner, as opposed to propaganda from a tame media, and getting the general voter to move far from the established parties, as if by wandering too far they will fall over the edge of the world and into chaos.

Many simply don't think that much.

14 hour days?  Piffle - no problem at all....

My basic policy platform is simple - and laid out here many times, and includes a review of immigration, politician perks and such, privatisation, and many other things.

The hard part is getting people to actually see that they are losing from those things on a daily basis, and are being taken to the cleaners.... anything too radical frightens them... Jesus - years ago the Australia whatever party terrified the electorate by having their old ladies being called Nazis for wanting to control immigration and return it to a more congenial mix rather than the current wide open madness...

Christ, son - even at local level the small fry don't get on the wahless to push their views... there is zero concept of all getting the same level of hearing so that the electorate can actually decide.  When the electorate only hears from Labor or Liberal or Greens, how are they to work out the value or otherwise of the views of Independents?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:48pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:46pm: Fine - when do I start?  When to I get a Minister portfolio?  Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character. You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate... Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss... Ha, ha - the difficulty is not in having solid policies - it is in having the coverage of them in a realistic manner, as opposed to propaganda from a tame media, and getting the general voter to move far from the established parties, as if by wandering too far they will fall over the edge of the world and into chaos. Many simply don't think that much. 14 hour days?  Piffle - no problem at all.... My basic policy platform is simple - and laid out here many times, and includes a review of immigration, politician perks and such, privatisation, and many other things. The hard part is getting people to actually see that they are losing from those things on a daily basis, and are being taken to the cleaners.... anything too radical frightens them... Jesus - years ago the Australia whatever party terrified the electorate by having their old ladies being called Nazis for wanting to control immigration and return it to a more congenial mix rather than the current wide open madness... Christ, son - even at local level the small fry don't get on the wahless to push their views... there is zero concept of all getting the same level of hearing so that the electorate can actually decide.  When the electorate only hears from Labor or Liberal or Greens, how are they to work out the value or otherwise of the views of Independents?

Yep... Ain't so easy, when you think about.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 6:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:48pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2021 at 2:46pm: Fine - when do I start?  When to I get a Minister portfolio?  Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character. You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate... Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss... Ha, ha - the difficulty is not in having solid policies - it is in having the coverage of them in a realistic manner, as opposed to propaganda from a tame media, and getting the general voter to move far from the established parties, as if by wandering too far they will fall over the edge of the world and into chaos. Many simply don't think that much. 14 hour days?  Piffle - no problem at all.... My basic policy platform is simple - and laid out here many times, and includes a review of immigration, politician perks and such, privatisation, and many other things. The hard part is getting people to actually see that they are losing from those things on a daily basis, and are being taken to the cleaners.... anything too radical frightens them... Jesus - years ago the Australia whatever party terrified the electorate by having their old ladies being called Nazis for wanting to control immigration and return it to a more congenial mix rather than the current wide open madness... Christ, son - even at local level the small fry don't get on the wahless to push their views... there is zero concept of all getting the same level of hearing so that the electorate can actually decide.  When the electorate only hears from Labor or Liberal or Greens, how are they to work out the value or otherwise of the views of Independents? Yep... Ain't so easy, when you think about.

Believe me - I have over the years and still feel the urge to throw my hat in the ring as an Independent.  Even forming a new party of sense is fraught with difficulties, such as being ousted in a palace coup, or over keeping the ball centred on the issues you want to go after while accommodating the wishes of your members, not having revolts... The Redhead Mk I tried to get around that by having members who were not members but supporters .. meaning she was essentially an Independent with a party structure.. or so they thought, but she knew better.  Lead to a world of strife all around.

Honesty in political parties is difficult to erect and maintain... and like an old man, gets worse as they age.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:51pm:

Believe me - I have over the years and still feel the urge to throw my hat in the ring as an Independent..

Why don't you reach out to Drew Pavlou. He's a bit young, but he wouldn't have the energy to take on the system if he wasn't.