If something doesn't work the first 2 times i try it then why would you make the same mistake 3 times?


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Israel Considers 4th Vaccine Dose, but Some Experts Say It’s Premature Some scientists warn that too many shots might actually harm the body’s ability to fight the Covid-19 virus. But Israeli experts say there isn’t time to wait. JERUSALEM — Israel is considering whether to approve a fourth Covid-19 vaccine dose for vulnerable people to contain the fast-spreading Omicron variant, despite debate among scientists and a lack of evidence either for or against another booster. The panel of experts advising the Israeli government on the pandemic recognized that uncertainty, but on Tuesday it recommended giving a fourth dose, concluding that the potential benefits outweighed the risks.It pointed to signs of waning immunity a few months after the third shot, and said that any delay in additional doses might prove too late to protect those most at risk. But some scientists warned that the plan could backfire, because too many shots might cause a sort of immune system fatigue, compromising the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus. A few members of the government’s advisory panel raised that concern with respect to the elderly, according to a written summary of the discussion obtained by The New York Times. Israel, a small country with an efficient public health system, was a leader in rolling out the first round of Covid vaccinations and later in giving booster shots, so its results have been closely watched by the rest of the world. Its aggressive pace has put Israel in position to assess early how effective the shots are and how quickly the protection wears off. “The price will be higher if we don’t vaccinate,” Dr. Boaz Lev, the head of the advisory panel, said at a news conference late Wednesday. Describing the spread of Omicron as “a kind of tsunami or tornado,” he added, “We don’t have a lot of time to make decisions.” A new British report shows that booster doses are less effective against Omicron than previous variants, and their effectiveness wears off faster — within 10 weeks. In addition to concerns that a fourth shot in less than a year could actually weaken immunity, some experts said Israel’s government had still not made the most of other options, Along with the generally sparse knowledge about Omicron, the effect of a fourth dose against the new variant is also unknown. But the country’s medical experts point to waning immunity in those 60 or older, who were the first to receive the third shot starting in August. The presentation, obtained by The Times, showed a doubling of the rate of infection from Delta among the 60-plus age group within four or five months of the third shot. Mr. Bennett enthusiastically welcomed the panel’s recommendation of a fourth shot this week, saying, “The citizens of Israel were the first in the world to receive a third dose, and we are continuing to lead with the fourth.” Germany’s health minister, Karl Lauterbach, said Thursday that he expected Germans would be getting another booster in the next year, depending on how long the protection of the third shot lasts. “I respect the opinion of those who say better safe than sorry,” Professor Levine said in an interview, “and there is no problem with being prepared. But before giving a fourth shot, it is preferable to wait for the science.” Another vocal critic, Prof. Dror Mevorach, who heads the coronavirus ward at the Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem, also urged waiting for more data. “Just because we led with the third dose does not mean that there should be a fourth dose with no scientific basis,” he said. Decreasing antibodies over time is natural, he said, and boosting antibodies may have limited benefit. At first, many Israelis considered their country’s lead in vaccinating the public to be a privilege and a ticket to a quick return to normal life. But the prospect of a fourth vaccination within a year was giving some pause. “Like many people, I’m very ambivalent,” said Chely Edery, 59, the owner of a gift store in Jerusalem. “The last thing I want is for my business to close, but I have the feeling that this time, they don’t know enough.” Benny Muchawsky, 80, an architect, said it seemed like hysteria. “Israel is the laboratory for the coronavirus vaccine,” he said. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-vaccine-4th-dose.html

Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years.

Yep!

Hubby has had 3 Pfizer shots (along with all his work colleagues).

Yet they are still required to wear masks and gloves AND get tested every 3 days.

Covid19 has mutated. A few times. The Delta and Omicron strands are on the loose but the vaccines being injected into people are not for Delta and Omicron.

If this isn't the definition of a major farkk up by all governments on this planet then I don't know what is.

I'm still unvaccinated.

No Covid19 in our household. Ever.

Taking Medical advice from Nations more apt at winning military wars... is bad for your Health.

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stunning PR work

legislated that they cant be sued
research funded by taxpayers
government contracts from around the world
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UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 11:15pm:

Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years.

In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus.

Tetanus is a bacterial infection

Covid is a viral infection

Tetanus toxiod vaccine came into use in 1924.
The first tetanus vaccines were used in 1890.

Children are given 6 tetanus shots with the last given in adolesence .... thats 6 OK.

Then it is recommended you get a booster every 10 years .....

So if you live to 75 you will have had 12 tetanus shots.

If you are having the flu shot it's yearly for the rest of your life.

So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid?

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 11:15pm:

Yep! Hubby has had 3 Pfizer shots (along with all his work colleagues). Yet they are still required to wear masks and gloves AND get tested every 3 days. Covid19 has mutated. A few times. The Delta and Omicron strands are on the loose but the vaccines being injected into people are not for Delta and Omicron. If this isn't the definition of a major farkk up by all governments on this planet then I don't know what is. I'm still unvaccinated. No Covid19 in our household. Ever.

 
So you'll be restricted to the home .....

and why would you be unvaccinated when your husband has been vaccinated?

As for no covid19 in your house ... ever ;D

Obviously with the PPE your husband is wearing he could be in close contact with covid carriers...

so there's every chance he could bring it home.

The vaccines don't stop or cure Covid19 ....

how many times do you need that drummed into your head?

Gnads wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 6:31am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm: Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years. In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus. Tetanus is a bacterial infection Covid is a viral infection Tetanus toxiod vaccine came into use in 1924. The first tetanus vaccines were used in 1890. Children are given 6 tetanus shots with the last given in adolesence .... thats 6 OK. Then it is recommended you get a booster every 10 years ..... So if you live to 75 you will have had 12 tetanus shots. If you are having the flu shot it's yearly for the rest of your life. So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid?

Only ever had 2 tetanus shots in my life.

Never bothered with any flu jab either.

Covid fits naturally into todays woke world. What matters is to strike the correct attitude and ignore your lyin' eyes. So half the population staggers around in tatty moth-eaten cloth masks hanging off the ends of their noses agreeing with Fauci that an open southern border taking in millions of maskless unvaccinated persons testing positive at a higher rate than the natives is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the pandemic, no sir.

Also, it's important to follow "the science", even if it was "the science" that created this thing by doing gain-of-function research at the Chinese Communist lab the virus managed to escape from. And you can't blame the Chinese because that would be racist, and racism toward Asians is totally unacceptable, except in US college admissions and daylight sucker-punching in midtown Manhattan. Unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people, and double-vaccinated people are a threat to triple-vaccinated people, and people who submit to annual booster shots are a threat to people who submit to quarterly booster shots, who in turn are grossly irresponsible by going to Christmas dinner at the homes of people with fortnightly booster shots...
Mark Steyn

Gnads wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm: Yep! Hubby has had 3 Pfizer shots (along with all his work colleagues). Yet they are still required to wear masks and gloves AND get tested every 3 days. Covid19 has mutated. A few times. The Delta and Omicron strands are on the loose but the vaccines being injected into people are not for Delta and Omicron. If this isn't the definition of a major farkk up by all governments on this planet then I don't know what is. I'm still unvaccinated. No Covid19 in our household. Ever.   So you'll be restricted to the home ..... and why would you be unvaccinated when your husband has been vaccinated? As for no covid19 in your house ... ever ;D Obviously with the PPE your husband is wearing he could be in close contact with covid carriers... so there's every chance he could bring it home. The vaccines don't stop or cure Covid19 .... how many times do you need that drummed into your head?

Look I can't disagree with anything you've posted at me. As a matter of fact, I keep hearing your message by my hubby's family every time I talk to them.

They know about the amount of bleach and disinfectant I use plus boiling water to sterilise everything etc. And they know that I'm looking for a new washing machine atm. Why? I never stop washing ( heavy duty of course ). No item is used more than once. We only eat at home. And we eat organic produce from my garden wherever possible too. We limit travelling out and about wherever possible. And if that happens it's only ever by car and masks are worn and QR codes are scanned.

Hand sanitiser stations are at exit/entry points, in all bathrooms, the kitchen and laundry.

I'm physically exhausted though. But we are all healthy. Not a cough or a sniffle.

Tonight I'm cooking up a healthy chicken soup using a small chook which I'll boil up with some veges and home grown herbs. I always throw in a few chopped onions and garlic cloves plus I squeeze lemon into the finished product with cracked pepper and a hint of curry and chilli too. No family member leaves the table unless they've had 2 serves. The point I'm trying to make is that I cook nutritious meals. And I keep adding into the foods I cook up whatever I can to strengthen the immunity of myself and family. i

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 7:40am:

Covid fits naturally into todays woke world. What matters is to strike the correct attitude and ignore your lyin' eyes. So half the population staggers around in tatty moth-eaten cloth masks hanging off the ends of their noses agreeing with Fauci that an open southern border taking in millions of maskless unvaccinated persons testing positive at a higher rate than the natives is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the pandemic, no sir. Also, it's important to follow "the science", even if it was "the science" that created this thing by doing gain-of-function research at the Chinese Communist lab the virus managed to escape from. And you can't blame the Chinese because that would be racist, and racism toward Asians is totally unacceptable, except in US college admissions and daylight sucker-punching in midtown Manhattan. Unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people, and double-vaccinated people are a threat to triple-vaccinated people, and people who submit to annual booster shots are a threat to people who submit to quarterly booster shots, who in turn are grossly irresponsible by going to Christmas dinner at the homes of people with fortnightly booster shots... Mark Steyn

Yep.

Meantime I'm trying to understand why people are getting repeatedly jabbed with a vaccine that's not addressing Delta or Omicron. Triple and quadruple doses of a vaccine that's not geared for the ever replicating virus does not make sense to me. If anything it rings alarm bells.

My hubby has essentially been told to expect a 4th jab IF his passport vaccine is to stay current and IF he expects to keep his job. This is the underlying message across many industries. He's sacrificed himself for us really. And he says that to me quite a lot now.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 10:27pm:

If something doesn't work the first 2 times i try it then why would you make the same mistake 3 times?

Exactly.


"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
-  frequently, though almost certainly incorrectly attributed to Albert Einstein



Such circumstances can arise, when people abandon reason,
and choose to surrender THEIR LIVES to the dictates of ideologues.

I can't, i won't.

This, isn't a chapter of '1984', and i'm not going to live by 'Big Brothers' dictates.

A Nation of Sheep will have a Government of Wolves
- Thomas Jefferson


A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
- Edward R. Murrow


Liberty has never come from Government.
Liberty has always come from the subjects of it.
The history of Liberty is a history of resistance.
The history of Liberty is a history of limitations of Governmental power, NOT the increase of it.
- Woodrow Wilson

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Evidence from the UK suggests Australia should have backed AstraZeneca
Evidence from the UK has sparked concern that Australia backed the wrong Covid vaccine, with one vaccine tipped to last forever.

Evidence from the United Kingdom shows Australia may have backed the wrong Covid vaccine, with the maligned AstraZeneca jab offering potential protection from the virus for life.

Early research has shown that Britain’s wide use of the Oxford University-made jab in vulnerable people may be behind the country’s lower death toll compared to Europe in recent months.

AZ is the predominant vaccine in the UK for those aged over 40.

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“We‘ve seen early data that the Oxford jab produces a very durable cellular response and if you’ve got a durable cellular immunity response then they can last for a long time.

“It can last for life in some cases.”

Studies show AstraZeneca’s jab, which uses a more traditional vaccine technology, produces a greater T-cell response compared to mRNA jabs produced by Pfizer and Moderna, which have been favoured in Europe.

T-cells, which are more difficult to measure than antibodies, are thought to provide longer-lasting protection.

In October, the Australian government decided to stop manufacturing the AstraZeneca vaccine on our shores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/evidence-from-the-uk-suggests-australia-should-have-backed-astrazeneca/news-story/4669c6aec0ffda8a0679af848f1adce3

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 9:07am:

:D :D ;D ;D Evidence from the UK suggests Australia should have backed AstraZeneca Evidence from the UK has sparked concern that Australia backed the wrong Covid vaccine, with one vaccine tipped to last forever. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/evidence-from-the-uk-suggests-australia-should-have-backed-astrazeneca/news-story/4669c6aec0ffda8a0679af848f1adce3

One for the principle reasons why i have determined to refuse to take any of these so called 'vaccines',
is that i firmly believe that the behaviour of these 'vaccines', inside my body, would work to obviate and block any [current] superior response own immune system has, in responding to many differing kinds of pathogens that i will encounter.

obviate = =
1 remove.
2 avoid; prevent.

i.e.
My immune system....
If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!

And in any case, i firmly believe that SARS CoV-2 [COVID] is no worse than a new flu virus.
i.e.
COVID is unlikely to harm young and healthy people.


I FIRMLY BELIEVE.....
THAT MANY OF THE DEATHS, BEING ATTRIBUTED TO 'COVID', ARE ACTUALLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO 'VACCINE' INJURIES.



WWW search....
Tens of thousands of UK health care staff quit over Covid jabs

Tens of thousands of UK, NHS staff quit over Covid jabs

NHS whistleblowers say, hospitals, vaccine injuries

hospital shock, 80% of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated

COVID deaths up 3,000% after vaccine wave



COMMENT;
If nurses and doctors in the UK,   are WITNESSING,   first hand, the injuries and deaths which these COVID 'vaccines' are causing,
then nothing is going to be able to compel them to be jabbed [in order to keep their employment] !

Commonsense !



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Watch this short video.....

Do you want to be informed ?

These are doctors who have seen 'vaccine' injuries.

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Doctor panel discuss the medical crimes taking place.
15 min
First published at 15:45 UTC on December 23rd, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z4qSr3owM77a/

Gnads wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 6:31am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm: Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years. In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus. Tetanus is a bacterial infection Covid is a viral infection So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid?

Well, okay. Bad comparison. But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine. Your immune system remembers the virus, even with the variations of the covid virus. As adults, we do not get the common cold every year for many of us, like we did as children. As children, we might have gotten a cold a few times a year. But, our body remembers to combat the onset of a cold more readily before the rhinovirus takes hold in our adulthood.

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 7:32am:

Only ever had 2 tetanus shots in my life. Never bothered with any flu jab either.

Had a tetanus shot in my teens. Not sure if I had a tetanus shot in my 20s. Overdue for a tetanus shot for at least the last 20 years. My doctor told me that I am allowed an influenza vaccine each year (I think, for free) due to my medical condition. I always refuse.

I was not going to get vaccinated against covid. But, the government put on a show of force to say that I would miss out on things if I was not vaccinated. Got that out of the way in November.

Boosters seem like a waste of time. But, I will have to do as asked if I want to keep a job.

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 4:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 29th, 2021 at 6:31am: UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm: Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years. In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus. Tetanus is a bacterial infection Covid is a viral infection So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid? Well, okay. Bad comparison. But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine. Your immune system remembers the virus, even with the variations of the covid virus. As adults, we do not get the common cold every year for many of us, like we did as children. As children, we might have gotten a cold a few times a year. But, our body remembers to combat the onset of a cold more readily before the rhinovirus takes hold in our adulthood.

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But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine.

No Vaccines work this way. All the childhood vaccines depend on a series of shots, mostly 5 or 6. If you check a child's immunisation record you see that on the birth, 6 weeks, 4 months,  6 month 12 month 18 month 4years etc it is all a repeat of the same vaccines. Often with a teenage follow up.

Glad I had the AZ.


No boostin'.

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The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens FDA and CDC experts said the plan was ill-advised, so the agencies cut them out of the decision process. The U.S. government is pushing Covid-19 vaccine boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds without supporting clinical data A large Israeli population study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this month, found that the risk of Covid death in people under 30 with two vaccine shots was zero. Booster mandates for healthy young people, which some colleges are imposing, will cause medical harm for the sake of transient reductions in mild and asymptomatic infections. In a study of 438,511 males 16 to 24, 56 developed myocarditis after their second Pfizer dose (or 1 in 7,830, at least seven times the usual rate). True, most cases were mild, but in the broader group of 136 people (including older and female patients) who developed myocarditis after the vaccine, seven had a “complicated course,” and one 22-year-old died. Moderna’s vaccine carries an even higher rate of heart complications, which is why some European countries have restricted it for people under 30. But in the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indiscriminately push for boosters for all young people. Those recommendations came over the objections of the agencies’ own experts. The last vote by FDA advisers, in September, rejected the proposal 16-2. FDA leaders revisited the proposal in November and simply bypassed the experts. So did the CDC, whose advisers had rejected boosters for people not at high risk. Two top FDA scientists, including the head of the agency’s vaccine efforts, quit around the time of the September vote over White House pressure to authorize boosters for all. They wrote in detail about their concerns. A study by Oxford researchers, published last week in Nature Medicine, validated those concerns. It found young people suffered myocarditis, pericarditis and arrhythmias more frequently from Moderna’s vaccine than from Covid itself. And the long-term cardiac effects of boosters in young people are unknown. The emergence of the Omicron variant has fed the push for boosters. But a University of Hong Kong study found that Omicron is less than one-tenth as infective in lung cells compared with the Delta variant. That explains why Omicron patients report far fewer cough and fever symptoms. Instead they report common cold-symptoms, similar to the four known seasonal coronaviruses that have circulated for decades, causing many colds. Angelique Coetzee of the South African Medical Association described her bedside Omicron observations: “There is no reason for panicking.” Yet much of the northern U.S. is now in full panic mode. Omicron does partly evade antibody immunity, but it doesn’t escape existing T-cell immunity according to a new Johns Hopkins study. That’s consistent with population data on Omicron. Case counts are plunging in the epicenter, in the South African province of Gauteng. South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla reports that only 1.7% of Covid patients were hospitalized in the second week of the Omicron-dominant wave, compared with 19% at the same point in the Delta wave. We now have laboratory data, epidemiological data, and bedside data that Omicron is mild for the vast majority of infected patients. Pfizer issued a press release on Dec. 8 announcing a lab experiment demonstrating that a booster shot increases antibody levels against Omicron. They didn’t release the underlying data. The next day, the FDA authorized boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds, and the CDC followed suit. Last week I testified before Congress that many Covid policies are no longer driven by science. Data is being cherry-picked to support predetermined agendas, while the roles of natural immunity and life-saving therapeutics are being sidelined. We’ve seen medical bandwagon thinking hurt the country before. The false assumption that Covid spreads by surface transmission still has Americans engaging in futile disinfection rituals. We’ve suffered from barbaric policies that prohibited people from saying goodbye to, or holding hands with, loved ones who were dying. Children were shut out of school for a less contagious variant. Our public health leaders are making critical mistakes and affirming each other with groupthink, while journalists forfeit their duty to ask key questions. Forcing immune, young, healthy, low-risk students to get a third vaccine shot is excessive and wasteful. These precious vaccine doses should be going to poor countries that still don’t have enough. Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine https://www.wsj.com/articles/dangerous-push-to-give-boosters-to-teens-vacccine-covid-19-omicron-vaxx-requirement-mandate-11640107759

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 10:27pm:

If something doesn't work the first 2 times i try it then why would you make the same mistake 3 times?

I'm constantly BEWILDERED at the DIFFICULTY some people have in grasping the concept of 'booster shot therapy'
Looking as the similarities - and differences - between a coronavirus and influenza virus epidemics , BOTH benefit greatly with vaccinations to reduce chance of infection, severity of symptoms and extent of passing infection

The annual flu season generally lasts six months - at the most - meaning one shot give sufficient cover
One season - a couple of years back, in a lengthier than normal flu season - my doctor gave me a booster

COVID19 has not had a six month season
It's been in the community for several years - and is expected to be around for several more

I expect a booster to be a standard ongoing protection - every six months - for at least, another two years down the path