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Message started by Belgarion on Jan 15th, 2022 at 6:21pm

Title: Racism on Display
Post by Belgarion on Jan 15th, 2022 at 6:21pm
WA Premier Mark McGowan's paternalistic and condescending speech to Aboriginals regarding vaccination is a perfect example of woke racism. https://www.rebelnews.com/wa_premier_deploys_indigenous_aide_to_translate_english_into_english  The use of an 'interpreter' is just icing on the cake.  The infantilisation of Aborginals as evidenced in this speech displays all the racism of low expectations common among the SJWs. ::)

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:51pm
Maybe rebel news reporters should do some fact checking before knocking up that twaddle about racism.

Yeah, I'm talking to you, Avi Yemini. Ever been to remote Australia? I doubt it.

This has already been discussed here, but, in summary:

Given that English is generally not Ngaanyatjarra people’s first language

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/they-havent-the-remotest-idea/news-story/5fc1d9252180416c14356a126042883a

Go out to remote Australian communities, like Warakurna and the surrounding communities, and you'll hear an  English kriol and Anglicised names and descriptions taken directly from their language exactly as you heard the old woman using in that video.

It’s hard to believe that so many Australians are ignorant of the multiple indigenous languages still spoken today as a first language in remote Australia with a kriol used as a lingua franca in remote communities.

There is absolutely no doubt that McGowan sought advice from aboriginal elders about reaching out to remote communities to advise and warn them of the risks of this disease to be spoken in a vernacular the community would instantly recognise and trust.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:57pm
Another thing that would be good for many to know: Aboriginals from remote communities are very wary of being shamed (dishonoured) by mainstream Australians, and by the tone of Rebel News, posts here and on twitter confirm they're right to be wary.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by Belgarion on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:57pm:
Another thing that would be good for many to know: Aboriginals from remote communities are very wary of being shamed (dishonoured) by mainstream Australians, and by the tone of Rebel News, posts here and on twitter confirm they're right to be wary.


You are a sad apologist for these racists. Had you watched McGowan's lecture you would have seen that the interpreter was not speaking anything other than English with a very few native words thrown in. If someone could understand that then they could understand McGowan.   In any case the entire tone of his speech was patronsing and condescending even without the 'interpreter'.  ::)

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by JaSin. on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:19pm
Aboriginalism is more about 'Land',
than it is about 'language'... otherwise they would be a Political people, not a Land orientated people.


Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:20pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:57pm:
Another thing that would be good for many to know: Aboriginals from remote communities are very wary of being shamed (dishonoured) by mainstream Australians, and by the tone of Rebel News, posts here and on twitter confirm they're right to be wary.


You are a sad apologist for these racists. Had you watched McGowan's lecture you would have seen that the interpreter was not speaking anything other than English with a very few native words thrown in. If someone could understand that then they could understand McGowan.   In any case the entire tone of his speech was patronsing and condescending even without the 'interpreter'.  ::)

Have you been to remote Australia?

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:20pm:
Have you been to remote Australia?



He saw some of it on TV once.  :D :D

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:21pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
Aboriginalism is more about 'Land',
than it is about 'language'... otherwise they would be a Political people, not a Land orientated people.

Aboriginal languages also use sign without vocalisations.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by JaSin. on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:21pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
Aboriginalism is more about 'Land',
than it is about 'language'... otherwise they would be a Political people, not a Land orientated people.

Aboriginal languages also use sign without vocalisations.

Many other people's do too. Like the cliche 'Italian'.
That's why they are more 'action' than 'talk' and not designed for Politics.

Aboriginals who chase the Political empowerment are chasing a weakness, although the Aboriginal women seem more 'alpha' when dealing with Politics, than the men.

Aboriginals who stick to the 'Land' - like Rangers, Farmers, Environmentalists, etc... are the ones that get ahead.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by John Smith on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:28pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:25pm:
Many other people's do too. Like the cliche 'Italian'


no they don't you fool. Italians use their hands to put further emphasis on their spoken word.  It's no more a substitute for the spoken work then giving someone the finger is a substitute in English

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:33pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:25pm:
Many other people's do too. Like the cliche 'Italian'


no they don't you fool. Italians use their hands to put further emphasis on their spoken word.  It's no more a substitute for the spoken work then giving someone the finger is a substitute in English

Anyone who watched 'Rabbit Proof Fence' might have noticed in one scene how the elder girl communicated by sign to an Aboriginal man at a distance.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by JaSin. on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:43pm
On a Forum like this. Everyone talks with their hands. ;)

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 15th, 2022 at 9:30pm
The OP to this thread should read as a cautionary tale about the insidiousness of racism and how unintentionally patronising (through ignorance) presumptions can be.

By calling out the use of simplified English or a kriol as the infantilisation of Aboriginals is, in fact, calling all genuine speakers of that form of English, infants.

Those who speak that form of English don't consider themselves infants and don't speak mainstream Australian English.

It is an example of deciding for Aboriginal people that a lingua franca they have probably used since their first encounter with Europeans is for babies. So, racial judgment (however unintended)?

It also calls out the pissfart media. No fact checking. Just make it up as they go along.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by Frank on Jan 15th, 2022 at 10:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 9:30pm:
The OP to this thread should read as a cautionary tale about the insidiousness of racism and how unintentionally patronising (through ignorance) presumptions can be.

By calling out the use of simplified English or a kriol as the infantilisation of Aboriginals is, in fact, calling all genuine speakers of that form of English, infants.

Those who speak that form of English don't consider themselves infants and don't speak mainstream Australian English.

It is an example of deciding for Aboriginal people that a lingua franca they have probably used since their first encounter with Europeans is for babies. So, racial judgment (however unintended)?

It also calls out the pissfart media. No fact checking. Just make it up as they go along.

https://youtu.be/MKn07j6RnYI


Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by JaSin. on Jan 16th, 2022 at 3:05am
Yes, but anyone 'standing' for Politics has a right to consider themselves superior to any other people's not pertaining to Politics - which has 'talking' as its tool of the trade.

Anyone in Politics will consider themselves superior (in language/talking) to others who live in Military, Sporting, Medical, Artistic, Scientific, Land/Ocean farming, etc, etc - worlds.

Australian Music Band Hoodoo-Gurus - learned to speak Japanese from 'female' translators. They went on to talk like poofters everywhere.  :D

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by Belgarion on Jan 16th, 2022 at 10:12am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:57pm:
Another thing that would be good for many to know: Aboriginals from remote communities are very wary of being shamed (dishonoured) by mainstream Australians, and by the tone of Rebel News, posts here and on twitter confirm they're right to be wary.


You are a sad apologist for these racists. Had you watched McGowan's lecture you would have seen that the interpreter was not speaking anything other than English with a very few native words thrown in. If someone could understand that then they could understand McGowan.   In any case the entire tone of his speech was patronsing and condescending even without the 'interpreter'.  ::)

Have you been to remote Australia?


Yes. You? McGowans woke racism has been shown for all to see and the usual suspects don't like it. You are tying yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible, but deep down you know that you cannot.  ::)

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 16th, 2022 at 10:34am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 16th, 2022 at 10:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 15th, 2022 at 7:57pm:
Another thing that would be good for many to know: Aboriginals from remote communities are very wary of being shamed (dishonoured) by mainstream Australians, and by the tone of Rebel News, posts here and on twitter confirm they're right to be wary.


You are a sad apologist for these racists. Had you watched McGowan's lecture you would have seen that the interpreter was not speaking anything other than English with a very few native words thrown in. If someone could understand that then they could understand McGowan.   In any case the entire tone of his speech was patronsing and condescending even without the 'interpreter'.  ::)

Have you been to remote Australia?


Yes. You? McGowans woke racism has been shown for all to see and the usual suspects don't like it. You are tying yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible, but deep down you know that you cannot.  ::)

Yes I have and, as you have, you'd recognise the woman's vernacular.

Title: Re: Racism on Display
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 16th, 2022 at 10:10pm
Something to consider.

'Mark McGowan had an Indigenous interpreter translate his COVID safety message from English to Kriol (a widely spoken Aboriginal language). Sadly,the video (https://fb.watch/avWpAak5Kw/) has been widely mocked & criticised. This article explains why the video is not racist.'

The full statement below.

https://twitter.com/ExposingNB/status/1481725740215275520/photo/1

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