thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:02pm:

Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.

Don't you worry about that!
(some Dane in Qld years ago)

It's what turned China into what it is today - that is the real threat.

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freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.

The above was either constructed by a mind habituated to Chinese phraseology &/or a very sloppy translation stinking of the original ‘correct marxist thought’ .
Must try harder.

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:24pm:

[/size] freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  The above was either constructed by a mind habituated to Chinese phraseology &/or a very sloppy translation stinking of the original ‘correct marxist thought’ . Must try harder.

... or endure endless self criticism sessions in the re-education camp...... when ideologically pure there is a chance of rejoining society at large... (the spelling may be funny, but Large is a town in China, just to the West of Smalldick) ...

CCP stooges....


https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-5594081/8ae97c2d7396d729e351c2bff47bc35f6fca65a7.jpg


https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/article/hero/AP22038142065266_2.jpg

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.

That's all the ordinary Chinese talk about when they get home from a hard day's grind making sewer oil.

They go on and on about achieving the goal of moderate prosperity.

They don't have time for politics; it's gets in the way of their talking about making a moderate profit and of maximising the glory of unelected politicians and how they can moderately repay the local ones who help get their documents restamped.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  That's all the ordinary Chinese talk about when they get home from a hard day's grind making sewer oil. They go on and on about achieving the goal of moderate prosperity. They don't have time for politics; it's gets in the way of their talking about making a moderate profit and of maximising the glory of unelected politicians and how they can moderately repay the local ones who help get their documents restamped.

It must be all that western television that has made them aspire to earn about 1/6th as much as the average westerner.

The ones who aren't homeless anyway.

Politics in Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania... is a Woman's thing.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.

In fact, they despise the hypocrisy of the two-party cartel system that your British colonial Disneyland promotes to everyone.
;D

Jasin wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 7:41pm:

Politics in Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania... is a Woman's thing.

It will be in Australia with Penny Wong and Kristine Keneally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P6Tp_wKOs

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 10:46am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 7:41pm: Politics in Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania... is a Woman's thing. It will be in Australia with Penny Wong and Kristine Keneally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P6Tp_wKOs

The money they currently receive from China for their selfless work is not enough.
When China liberates Australia from British occupation, Christine will become the governor general, and Penny will become the prime minister.
:)

athos wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 10:02am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  In fact, they despise the hypocrisy of the two-party cartel system that your British colonial Disneyland promotes to everyone. ;D

How do you know what the Chinese people think?

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 7:21pm:

athos wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 10:02am: freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  In fact, they despise the hypocrisy of the two-party cartel system that your British colonial Disneyland promotes to everyone. ;D How do you know what the Chinese people think

Because I'm a Chinese living in China, and you're not. So listen to what I tell you.
:D

athos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2022 at 11:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 7:21pm: athos wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 10:02am: freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  In fact, they despise the hypocrisy of the two-party cartel system that your British colonial Disneyland promotes to everyone. ;D How do you know what the Chinese people think Because I'm a Chinese living in China, and you're not. So listen to what I tell you. :D

That doesn't mean you know what the Chinese people think.

Are you also a member of the CCP, or on its payroll?

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2022 at 6:18pm:

athos wrote on Feb 15th, 2022 at 11:56am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 7:21pm: athos wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 10:02am: freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Nonsense. People in China just want to get on with their lives in an economy that is lifting the living standards of all  at a faster rate than any nation in history. They despise the fake 'free election'  BS, and don't need to concern themselves with the electoral cycle, rather they can contribute to the nation's sustainable development to the best of their ability and personal advantage.  In fact, they despise the hypocrisy of the two-party cartel system that your British colonial Disneyland promotes to everyone. ;D How do you know what the Chinese people think Because I'm a Chinese living in China, and you're not. So listen to what I tell you. :D That doesn't mean you know what the Chinese people think. Are you also a member of the CCP, or on its payroll?

How do you know what the non Anglo Aussies people think?
Are you also a member of the MI6, or on its payroll?
:D

Quote:

How do you know what the non Anglo Aussies people think?

Support for democracy is not a function of race. The only people I have come across who are ideologically opposed to democracy, other than stooges for various dictators, are Muslims, who are in a sense also stooges for a dictator, just one who is long dead.

Obviously when you or one of the other stooges say the Chinese people despise democracy, everyone realises you are lying. The CCP opposes democracy, for obvious reasons. The rest of the Chinese people have no choice in the matter.

Being of the same race, or living in China or Hong Kong, does not mean you speak for all Chinese people, any more than I speak for all white or all Australian people. But I can tell you what they think on a lot of issues. It's easier in Australia because we have the right to ask them, and they have the right to say, very loudly if they feel they are being ignored or misrepresented. Again, this is not because my race or my nationality gives me special knowledge. And living in China is not a basis for any kind of knowledge. People who live in China are generally ignorant, because the CCP makes them so. Particularly on issues concerning China itself. Case in point: CCP stooges explaining to us why the CCP prevents the Chinese people from learning about the Great Chinese Famine.

So I ask again, how do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?

Most Chinese are mental robots. They were like that before communism and are so under the CCP.

Giving up on themselves is at the core of their culture. Buddhism is about letting yourself be washed away. The CCP, heirs to a German Jewish, non-Chinese ideology (Marxism), exploit the stupefied masses of Chinese giver-uppers on individual excellence.
They love a mass rally in Mao suits, with their little red books and snarling in unison.

Hideous, dangerous, repulsive.

“A communist regime is built on a triple foundation: dialectics, the power of the party, and secret police—but as to its ideological equipment, Marxism is merely an optional feature.” According to this analysis, the Communist Party is best understood as essentially a secret society that rules through terror and deception. The Party’s path to power was obscure, arising out of economic and social chaos of the 1940s. It used propaganda and tight organization to turn a miniscule movement into the embodiment of the nation’s will.

But Mao did formulate one theoretical innovation, which Leys took extremely seriously. “Mao explicitly denounced the concept of a universal humanity; whereas the Soviet tyrant merely practiced inhumanity, Mao gave it a theoretical foundation, expounding the notion—without parallel in the other communist countries in the world—that the proletariat alone is fully endowed with human nature.”

The end result was a deeply scarred society: “For those who knew it in the past,” Leys wrote in 1977, “Peking now appears to be a murdered town. The body is still there, the soul has gone.” The revolution disfigured the psyche as well. The constant political campaigns, revenge, and struggle sessions, eroded any notion of shared humanity. As Leys observed, “twenty years of systemic incitation to ‘class hatred’ and denunciation of basic impulses such as a compassion for suffering whoever is the victim… has brought about the general and willed lowering of the traditional virtues that gave harmony to Chinese life.”

Replacing that harmony was a New Man, with new qualities: kindness had vanished. This absence of kindness was true in Soviet Russia as well and is in some ways the defining characteristic of a totalitarian society. In Chinese Shadows Leys quoted Nadezhda Mandelstam on the impact of Stalinism: “Kindness is not, after all, an inborn quality, but it has to be cultivated, and this only happens when it is in demand… Everything we have seen in our times—the dispossession of the kulaks, class warfare, the constant ‘unmasking’ of people—all this has taught us to be anything you like, except kind.”

https://quillette.com/2020/09/28/analyst-of-totalitarianism-reading-simon-leys-today/

I wholeheartedly recommend this book.
https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/in-praise-of-quixotism

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2022 at 8:22pm:

Quote: How do you know what the non Anglo Aussies people think? Support for democracy is not a function of race. The only people I have come across who are ideologically opposed to democracy, other than stooges for various dictators, are Muslims, who are in a sense also stooges for a dictator, just one who is long dead. Obviously when you or one of the other stooges say the Chinese people despise democracy, everyone realises you are lying. The CCP opposes democracy, for obvious reasons. The rest of the Chinese people have no choice in the matter. Being of the same race, or living in China or Hong Kong, does not mean you speak for all Chinese people, any more than I speak for all white or all Australian people. But I can tell you what they think on a lot of issues. It's easier in Australia because we have the right to ask them, and they have the right to say, very loudly if they feel they are being ignored or misrepresented. Again, this is not because my race or my nationality gives me special knowledge. And living in China is not a basis for any kind of knowledge. People who live in China are generally ignorant, because the CCP makes them so. Particularly on issues concerning China itself. Case in point: CCP stooges explaining to us why the CCP prevents the Chinese people from learning about the Great Chinese Famine. So I ask again, how do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?

Sorry dear Mr Fed
You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system.
:)

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :)

If you’ll excuse the ad hominem attack, until and unless you’re able to demonstrate anything like a basic knowledge of the Australian political system, and in the interests of not making a fool of yourself, just shut up.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2022 at 8:22pm: Quote: How do you know what the non Anglo Aussies people think? Support for democracy is not a function of race. The only people I have come across who are ideologically opposed to democracy, other than stooges for various dictators, are Muslims, who are in a sense also stooges for a dictator, just one who is long dead. Obviously when you or one of the other stooges say the Chinese people despise democracy, everyone realises you are lying. The CCP opposes democracy, for obvious reasons. The rest of the Chinese people have no choice in the matter. Being of the same race, or living in China or Hong Kong, does not mean you speak for all Chinese people, any more than I speak for all white or all Australian people. But I can tell you what they think on a lot of issues. It's easier in Australia because we have the right to ask them, and they have the right to say, very loudly if they feel they are being ignored or misrepresented. Again, this is not because my race or my nationality gives me special knowledge. And living in China is not a basis for any kind of knowledge. People who live in China are generally ignorant, because the CCP makes them so. Particularly on issues concerning China itself. Case in point: CCP stooges explaining to us why the CCP prevents the Chinese people from learning about the Great Chinese Famine. So I ask again, how do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy? Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :)

Too formal English for you. Your persona has been moved to your overseer.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

“A communist regime is built on a triple foundation: dialectics, the power of the party, and secret police—but as to its ideological equipment, Marxism is merely an optional feature.” According to this analysis, the Communist Party is best understood as essentially a secret society that rules through terror and deception. The Party’s path to power was obscure, arising out of economic and social chaos of the 1940s. It used propaganda and tight organization to turn a miniscule movement into the embodiment of the nation’s will. But Mao did formulate one theoretical innovation, which Leys took extremely seriously. “Mao explicitly denounced the concept of a universal humanity; whereas the Soviet tyrant merely practiced inhumanity, Mao gave it a theoretical foundation, expounding the notion—without parallel in the other communist countries in the world—that the proletariat alone is fully endowed with human nature.” The end result was a deeply scarred society: “For those who knew it in the past,” Leys wrote in 1977, “Peking now appears to be a murdered town. The body is still there, the soul has gone.” The revolution disfigured the psyche as well. The constant political campaigns, revenge, and struggle sessions, eroded any notion of shared humanity. As Leys observed, “twenty years of systemic incitation to ‘class hatred’ and denunciation of basic impulses such as a compassion for suffering whoever is the victim… has brought about the general and willed lowering of the traditional virtues that gave harmony to Chinese life.” Replacing that harmony was a New Man, with new qualities: kindness had vanished. This absence of kindness was true in Soviet Russia as well and is in some ways the defining characteristic of a totalitarian society. In Chinese Shadows Leys quoted Nadezhda Mandelstam on the impact of Stalinism: “Kindness is not, after all, an inborn quality, but it has to be cultivated, and this only happens when it is in demand… Everything we have seen in our times—the dispossession of the kulaks, class warfare, the constant ‘unmasking’ of people—all this has taught us to be anything you like, except kind.” https://quillette.com/2020/09/28/analyst-of-totalitarianism-reading-simon-leys-today/ I wholeheartedly recommend this book. https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/in-praise-of-quixotism

No matter what doubts people have about the CPC and China's political system, it is difficult to deny the success of the CPC.
In 1949, China was still a poor semi colonial country, with an average life expectancy of 35 years. Today, China has been regarded by the west as a competitor that can not be ignored.
This huge change was fully realized by the CPC in a huge country with a population of 1.4 billion. This achievement can be called great, but can the CPC maintain this achievement? How long can it last?
I think the CPC is currently implementing a major self-renewal project to combine the party with 100 years old history and Chinese young people in pursuit of advancement. The rest countries of the world may not have noticed this important development.
To be in power for a long time in the world's most populous country, the CPC relies on two characteristics - self realization and self innovation. Self realization is the goal, and self innovation is the means to achieve the goal.
The ultimate self realization of the CPC is centered on its original mission. In current words, it is around its "beginner's mind". At the beginning of its founding, the CPC established two main goals, socialism and national rejuvenation, so that China can get rid of the humiliating fate of repeated foreign aggression, poverty and weakness since modern times, build a prosperous and strong socialist society, and restore China's due status as a world power. Everything the CPC has done in the past and will do in the future is to achieve this goal.
The second characteristic of "self innovation" is the "killer application" of the CPC. After all, the CPC has accurately planned two times historic innovations, and is currently making the third times.
The first innovation of the CPC was from a revolutionary party to a ruling party after 1949; The second was a series of reforms by Deng Xiaoping in 1979, which transformed China's extremely closed planned economy into a huge market economy deeply integrated with the global economy. This helped the CPC avoid the fate of the CPSU. At the end of the cold war, many people predicted with confidence that China would embark on the same road as the Soviet Union.
In the past five to ten years, another innovation has quietly arrived, bringing opportunities and challenges to the Communist Party of China. How to carry it out will have a far-reaching impact.

There are clear signs that Chinese young people's views on capital and the market have turned negative, and their support for socialism and communism has increased significantly. For example, on BiliBili, China's main video social media for young people, the content about communism, Marxism, capital and labor in 2020 is the most popular. The data of these videos has increased more than any others. Even in the highly entrepreneurial tech industry, the voices of young people against excessive exploitation are becoming higher and higher, including the exploitation of low-income couriers and high-income technicians and professionals who work too long overtime.
In the previous innovation, the CPC changed its role from a planned economy manager to a ruling alliance based on market economy. Now, by bringing building a fair society into the political goal, the CPC is turning to re affirmation of socialism and redistribution of wealth.
The most striking practical action is to promote poverty eradication with unprecedented efforts throughout the country. This work began in 2012 and accelerated in 2015; It took eight years to help the last 99 million people below the poverty line out of poverty - for the first time in Chinese history. In order to accomplish this hard task, millions of Party members and cadres went to the front line of poverty reduction in remote rural areas and mountainous areas.
At the same time, the government began to make great efforts to restrict monopoly enterprises. The most famous example is that Alibaba's Ant Financial Service was disqualified at the last minute of its upcoming listing. It has become the norm for the government to enforce the anti-monopoly law more strictly. Its goal is to protect the public interest, especially the interests of ordinary people, from the infringement of large platform companies controlled by private capital. In the party's own words, the purpose is to "prevent the disorderly expansion of capital."
This paradigm shift has also brought significant challenges and risks. China's younger generation hopes to solve the problems of inequality, but also hopes to enjoy economic opportunities and continue to improve their living standards. The latter is impossible if the economy cannot develop sustainably. If the state's redistribution measures are not properly guided, they may stifle the entrepreneurial incentive mechanism crucial to growth. The CPC needs to successfully control the trend, make a series of policies avoid falling into populist impulse, and become practical policies conducive to building a fair and efficient society.
Another paradigm shift takes place among Chinese youth, which is how China views the world and its relationship with the world, especially with the West. The trump era shows the Chinese a new America, which is quite different from their impression for decades. Those who looked up to the United States and felt that "today of the United States is China's tomorrow" were caught off guard. In the eyes of the new generation of Chinese people, the governance level of the United States and Europe is low, the problem of inequality is more prominent than that of China, and shows political disability, social polarization and internal hostility.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

There are clear signs that Chinese young people's views on capital and the market have turned negative, and their support for socialism and communism has increased significantly. For example, on BiliBili, China's main video social media for young people, the content about communism, Marxism, capital and labor in 2020 is the most popular. The data of these videos has increased more than any others. Even in the highly entrepreneurial tech industry, the voices of young people against excessive exploitation are becoming higher and higher, including the exploitation of low-income couriers and high-income technicians and professionals who work too long overtime. In the previous innovation, the CPC changed its role from a planned economy manager to a ruling alliance based on market economy. Now, by bringing building a fair society into the political goal, the CPC is turning to re affirmation of socialism and redistribution of wealth. The most striking practical action is to promote poverty eradication with unprecedented efforts throughout the country. This work began in 2012 and accelerated in 2015; It took eight years to help the last 99 million people below the poverty line out of poverty - for the first time in Chinese history. In order to accomplish this hard task, millions of Party members and cadres went to the front line of poverty reduction in remote rural areas and mountainous areas. At the same time, the government began to make great efforts to restrict monopoly enterprises. The most famous example is that Alibaba's Ant Financial Service was disqualified at the last minute of its upcoming listing. It has become the norm for the government to enforce the anti-monopoly law more strictly. Its goal is to protect the public interest, especially the interests of ordinary people, from the infringement of large platform companies controlled by private capital. In the party's own words, the purpose is to "prevent the disorderly expansion of capital." This paradigm shift has also brought significant challenges and risks. China's younger generation hopes to solve the problems of inequality, but also hopes to enjoy economic opportunities and continue to improve their living standards. The latter is impossible if the economy cannot develop sustainably. If the state's redistribution measures are not properly guided, they may stifle the entrepreneurial incentive mechanism crucial to growth. The CPC needs to successfully control the trend, make a series of policies avoid falling into populist impulse, and become practical policies conducive to building a fair and efficient society. Another paradigm shift takes place among Chinese youth, which is how China views the world and its relationship with the world, especially with the West. The trump era shows the Chinese a new America, which is quite different from their impression for decades. Those who looked up to the United States and felt that "today of the United States is China's tomorrow" were caught off guard. In the eyes of the new generation of Chinese people, the governance level of the United States and Europe is low, the problem of inequality is more prominent than that of China, and shows political disability, social polarization and internal hostility.

Worthless cut-and-paste propaganda.

Compared with previous generations of Chinese people, the post-90s and post-00s have more confidence and patriotism in the country. They naturally responded to the party's call and had more confidence in the Chinese road. Two recent events have reinforced this change.
First, COVID-19 epidemic, China's rapid control of the epidemic, has been in sharp contrast to the repeated waves of waves with other countries. The other is the rising hostility of the west to China.
For a long time, the Chinese people have been accustomed to all kinds of Western criticism of China, whether it is corruption or human rights. In fact, this kind of criticism can often get a certain degree of resonance and even support among the Chinese people, especially the business and intellectual elites.
However, the current wave of demonizing China in western political and media is generally considered too extreme by the Chinese people. The Chinese people believe that these "criticisms" that simply discredit China are only an attempt to curb China's further development.
Especially Chinese young people, they find that the China in western depiction does not accord with the actual situation in their life. So many people have doubts and anger about the West. The vast majority of Chinese people, especially young people, are on the side of Beijing on the two issues most frequently attacked by the west - Xinjiang and Hong Kong. This is why young Chinese netizens often call for a boycott of Western brands and celebrities on the Internet.
In fact, Chinese young people are becoming the strongest supporters of the long-term goal of the CPC, that is, "Taking China's own development path".
According to the latest data from the Edelman Trust Barometer, the Chinese public's satisfaction with government leadership has reached an amazing 90%. A recent survey by the University of California, San Diego, showed that young respondents had the largest increase in government support. In 2019, more than 80% of new CPC members are under the age of 35, and the number is close to 1.9 million. Nearly 80% of college students expressed their willingness to join the CPC.
All this may surprise Western readers. However, since the aspirations of Chinese young people are so highly consistent with the reason for the existence of the party, that is, "beginner's mind", the key point in the future lies in how the CPC, a centennial party, should adapt to the new situation yo serve (and lead) young people.
The CPC needs to guide the energy and ideals of Chinese young people to constructive socialism and avoid falling into excessive populism; Guide healthy patriotism and avoid narrow nationalism. If the CPC can do this, it will meet the material aspirations and spiritual ideals of the new generation of Chinese young people, and therefore continue to be in power for a long time in the future.
Success is certainly not guaranteed, but I won't bet on their failure.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

Compared with previous generations of Chinese people, the post-90s and post-00s have more confidence and patriotism in the country. They naturally responded to the party's call and had more confidence in the Chinese road. Two recent events have reinforced this change. First, COVID-19 epidemic, China's rapid control of the epidemic, has been in sharp contrast to the repeated waves of waves with other countries. The other is the rising hostility of the west to China. For a long time, the Chinese people have been accustomed to all kinds of Western criticism of China, whether it is corruption or human rights. In fact, this kind of criticism can often get a certain degree of resonance and even support among the Chinese people, especially the business and intellectual elites. However, the current wave of demonizing China in western political and media is generally considered too extreme by the Chinese people. The Chinese people believe that these "criticisms" that simply discredit China are only an attempt to curb China's further development. Especially Chinese young people, they find that the China in western depiction does not accord with the actual situation in their life. So many people have doubts and anger about the West. The vast majority of Chinese people, especially young people, are on the side of Beijing on the two issues most frequently attacked by the west - Xinjiang and Hong Kong. This is why young Chinese netizens often call for a boycott of Western brands and celebrities on the Internet. In fact, Chinese young people are becoming the strongest supporters of the long-term goal of the CPC, that is, "Taking China's own development path". According to the latest data from the Edelman Trust Barometer, the Chinese public's satisfaction with government leadership has reached an amazing 90%. A recent survey by the University of California, San Diego, showed that young respondents had the largest increase in government support. In 2019, more than 80% of new CPC members are under the age of 35, and the number is close to 1.9 million. Nearly 80% of college students expressed their willingness to join the CPC. All this may surprise Western readers. However, since the aspirations of Chinese young people are so highly consistent with the reason for the existence of the party, that is, "beginner's mind", the key point in the future lies in how the CPC, a centennial party, should adapt to the new situation yo serve (and lead) young people. The CPC needs to guide the energy and ideals of Chinese young people to constructive socialism and avoid falling into excessive populism; Guide healthy patriotism and avoid narrow nationalism. If the CPC can do this, it will meet the material aspirations and spiritual ideals of the new generation of Chinese young people, and therefore continue to be in power for a long time in the future. Success is certainly not guaranteed, but I won't bet on their failure.

More worthless cut-and-paste propaganda.

The other athos wouldn't even be able to read that level of English let alone comprehend it.

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

athos wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:26am: Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :) If you’ll excuse the ad hominem attack, until and unless you’re able to demonstrate anything like a basic knowledge of the Australian political system, and in the interests of not making a fool of yourself, just shut up.

"Australia is in a way a feudal extension from Britain. It never did make the peoples breach with right of nobility and authority. That was done in the US. Influenced by still instituted European Viking settled in America of peoples right to own property and land, and moreover to claim land, as Viking law allowed. The newcomer came to Australia under the crown as convicts that did not claim land and assume the right to defend themselves as led to making of the United States. By this neither were the native people recognized as free people, they were treated like convicts from the very beginning of no rights. All this needs to be corrected or there will civil uprisings, Australia needs a settled constitution of equal rights and of historical respect".
Thorsteinn Hakonarson

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 11:03am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:48am: athos wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:26am: Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :) If you’ll excuse the ad hominem attack, until and unless you’re able to demonstrate anything like a basic knowledge of the Australian political system, and in the interests of not making a fool of yourself, just shut up. "Australia is in a way a feudal extension from Britain. It never did make the peoples breach with right of nobility and authority. That was done in the US. Influenced by still instituted European Viking settled in America of peoples right to own property and land, and moreover to claim land, as Viking law allowed. The newcomer came to Australia under the crown as convicts that did not claim land and assume the right to defend themselves as led to making of the United States. By this neither were the native people recognized as free people, they were treated like convicts from the very beginning of no rights. All this needs to be corrected or there will civil uprisings, Australia needs a settled constitution of equal rights and of historical respect". Thorsteinn Hakonarson

Getting as bad as the mess the CCP made of the Olympics.

A testament to the third-world category China has not risen from.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

There are clear signs that Chinese young people's views on capital and the market have turned negative, and their support for socialism and communism has increased significantly. For example, on BiliBili, China's main video social media for young people, the content about communism, Marxism, capital and labor in 2020 is the most popular.

;D ;D ;D

Red Guards and cultural revolution, part two!





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Athos is really working to get his 50c today! Keep up the good work comrade! Soon you will be able to afford a new bicycle!  :P

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In China, unlike America and Australia, political legitimacy is built on competence and experience.

It is widely assumed in the West that the legitimacy of a government comes from universal suffrage and multiparty competitive elections. Yet this assumption raises two issues: First, historically, it is not true ― universal suffrage is a recent development. One can claim, for instance, that U.S. administrations only became truly legitimate in 1965, when African Americans won the right to vote. Furthermore, this practice is confined only to nation-states. It is difficult to imagine that, say, the European Union could establish its legitimacy and play its unifying role on the basis of universal suffrage.

These two points help us better understand why the Chinese sense of legitimacy is vastly different from the Western one. China is not a typical nation-state but rather a deeply historical and civilizational state. It is an amalgam of the world’s oldest continuous civilization and a huge modern state with its sense of legitimacy rooted deeply in its history. An apt analogy would be to something like the Roman Empire, if it had endured into the 21st century ― with regional and cultural diversities, a modern economy, a centralized government and a population nearly equal to that of 100 average-size European nations combined, speaking thousands of different dialects while sharing one written language.

This kind of state, a product of hundreds of states amalgamated into one over a long history, would become ungovernable if it were to adopt an adversarial political model. Such was the case in China beginning with the 1911 revolution that established the Republic of China. The country attempted to copy the American model and degenerated into chaos, with rival warlords fighting each other and tens of millions of lives lost in the decades that followed.

As a civilizational state, the legitimacy of China’s government is deeply rooted in its own historical tradition, shaped over the millennia since the country was first unified under the Emperor Qin in 221 B.C. China’s one-party governance today may look illegitimate in the eyes of many Westerners but to most Chinese. For most of the past 2,000 years, China has practiced a kind of one-party rule: governance by a unified Confucian elite that was selected through public exams (the keju) and which claimed to represent — or genuinely represented — most, if not all, under heaven. Furthermore, during much of the one-party era, China was arguably better governed, more peaceful and more prosperous than the European states of the same epoch. China began to lag behind Europe when it closed its door to the outside world in the 18th century and missed the Industrial Revolution.

As Francis Fukuyama has observed in his book The Origins of Political Order, “It is safe to say that the Chinese invented modern bureaucracy, that is, a permanent administrative cadre selected on the basis of ability rather than kinship or patrimonial connection.” China’s keju system was long used to select the most talented individuals into leading positions in government.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

In China, unlike America and Australia, political legitimacy is built on competence and experience. It is widely assumed in the West that the legitimacy of a government comes from universal suffrage and multiparty competitive elections. Yet this assumption raises two issues: First, historically, it is not true ― universal suffrage is a recent development. One can claim, for instance, that U.S. administrations only became truly legitimate in 1965, when African Americans won the right to vote. Furthermore, this practice is confined only to nation-states. It is difficult to imagine that, say, the European Union could establish its legitimacy and play its unifying role on the basis of universal suffrage. These two points help us better understand why the Chinese sense of legitimacy is vastly different from the Western one. China is not a typical nation-state but rather a deeply historical and civilizational state. It is an amalgam of the world’s oldest continuous civilization and a huge modern state with its sense of legitimacy rooted deeply in its history. An apt analogy would be to something like the Roman Empire, if it had endured into the 21st century ― with regional and cultural diversities, a modern economy, a centralized government and a population nearly equal to that of 100 average-size European nations combined, speaking thousands of different dialects while sharing one written language. This kind of state, a product of hundreds of states amalgamated into one over a long history, would become ungovernable if it were to adopt an adversarial political model. Such was the case in China beginning with the 1911 revolution that established the Republic of China. The country attempted to copy the American model and degenerated into chaos, with rival warlords fighting each other and tens of millions of lives lost in the decades that followed. As a civilizational state, the legitimacy of China’s government is deeply rooted in its own historical tradition, shaped over the millennia since the country was first unified under the Emperor Qin in 221 B.C. China’s one-party governance today may look illegitimate in the eyes of many Westerners but to most Chinese. For most of the past 2,000 years, China has practiced a kind of one-party rule: governance by a unified Confucian elite that was selected through public exams (the keju) and which claimed to represent — or genuinely represented — most, if not all, under heaven. Furthermore, during much of the one-party era, China was arguably better governed, more peaceful and more prosperous than the European states of the same epoch. China began to lag behind Europe when it closed its door to the outside world in the 18th century and missed the Industrial Revolution. As Francis Fukuyama has observed in his book The Origins of Political Order, “It is safe to say that the Chinese invented modern bureaucracy, that is, a permanent administrative cadre selected on the basis of ability rather than kinship or patrimonial connection.” China’s keju system was long used to select the most talented individuals into leading positions in government.

Very well said.
Ignore the 'western-minded' idiots who can't conceive of other nations and regions not being like them.
China is currently 'ruled' by 'their' creation (Politics of Namerica and Military of the Mid-East) and the 'true' China has been suppressed. The irony is that the West's 'Politics' is what has made China what it is - so why are they complaining about it. ::)

Once the 'induced' Military/Political 'false' culture of China blows itself away via a supernova effect. The 'real' China will rise from the ashes and help lead the world on that level.

I always say, a Chinese Mathematician and Accountant is always better than a Chinese Soldier or Police person.

The Communist Party of China has adapted this tradition for modern China, building a system for selecting its leaders based on merit and performance. For example, China’s top decision-makers ― members of the Standing Committee of the CPC Political Bureau, including President Xi Jinping ― have almost all served at least twice as party secretaries or governors of a province, which means, given the size of China’s population, they have administered populations of 100 million or more and performed well before being promoted to their top-echelon positions.

The former approximately refers to public opinion and the latter to the hearts and minds of the people. The terms were first put forward by Mencius, the most famous Confucian philosopher after Confucius himself. Minyi can be fleeting and change overnight, especially in today’s internet age, while minxin tends to be stable and lasting, reflecting the long-term interest of an entire nation. Over the past three decades, the Chinese state has generally practiced rule by minxin. This allows China to plan for the medium and long term, and even for the next generation, rather than for the next 100 days or until the next election, as is the case with many Western democracies.

To sum up, while the West has for so many years promoted the Western political model in the name of universal values, China has pursued its own experiments in the political domain since 1978, drawing lessons from the disastrous Cultural Revolution, in which ideological radicalism expunged China’s governance traditions and dashed people’s hope for prosperity and order. Thanks to this effort, China has since managed to varying degrees of success to reestablish a connection with its own past as well as borrow many useful elements from the West.

China’s meritocratic system today is essentially a mechanism of “selection plus election,” with the former originating from China’s own tradition and the latter imported from the West. Pioneered by China’s late leader Deng Xiaoping, this institutional arrangement has succeeded in ensuring an orderly transition of power over the past three decades. However imperfect, this system is in a position to compete with the Western political model. Indeed, it would be inconceivable for the Chinese system today to produce an awkward leader like U.S. President Donald Trump.

The Chinese experience since 1978 shows that the ultimate test of a political system is how well it ensures good governance as judged by the people. The dichotomy of “democracy versus autocracy” sounds hollow in today’s complex world, given the large number of poorly governed “democracies.” China’s experience may eventually usher in a paradigm shift in international political discourse from democracy versus autocracy to good governance versus bad governance.

Good governance can take the form of the Western political system or a non-Western one. Likewise, bad governance may take the form of the Western political system or a non-Western one. China emphasizes substance over procedures, believing that ultimately the pursuit of substance will evolve and produce the right procedures, appropriate to each nation’s own traditions and conditions.

A plethora of uncertainties are gripping the world today for reasons directly related to how government legitimacy has been defined by the West. It’s high time to pause and reflect that China’s age-old wisdom and well-tested practices may be relevant beyond China.

The contest today is between a US plutocracy, in which the bottom 50% of the population has experienced stagnant or declining livings standards since 1990, cf the meritocracy in China in which the bottom 50% of the population has experienced the fastest increase in living standards over the same period, in all of China's 2200 year history.
Actually In USA and the rest of the the west nothing left of democracy, there are only plutocracy
and oligarchy that successfully control everything.
Western democracy is dead but two party cartel “democracy” ruled by plutocracy and corporatocracy (Corporate fascism) are flourishing.
It is time for the west to acknowledge that China is the most successful capitalist country and that the CCP, apart from its formal name, has nothing to do with communist ideology but with meritocracy. China has proven to have a much more successful capitalism than corrupted deep state Plutocracy of the US-western Empire.

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

Very well said.

Please... As if he said it.

The real Athos couldn't order a big mac in English.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 3:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 2:51pm: Very well said. Please... As if he said it. The real Athos couldn't order a big mac in English.

You're both pretty good. Let that pain yas. ;D
Remember - there is always more than just 'one' right answer. ;)

btw - if you look in Maccas these days, its mostly non-english speaking that order that crap. :D

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 11:03am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:48am: athos wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:26am: Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :) If you’ll excuse the ad hominem attack, until and unless you’re able to demonstrate anything like a basic knowledge of the Australian political system, and in the interests of not making a fool of yourself, just shut up. "Australia is in a way a feudal extension from Britain. It never did make the peoples breach with right of nobility and authority. That was done in the US. Influenced by still instituted European Viking settled in America of peoples right to own property and land, and moreover to claim land, as Viking law allowed. The newcomer came to Australia under the crown as convicts that did not claim land and assume the right to defend themselves as led to making of the United States. By this neither were the native people recognized as free people, they were treated like convicts from the very beginning of no rights. All this needs to be corrected or there will civil uprisings, Australia needs a settled constitution of equal rights and of historical respect". Thorsteinn Hakonarson

Thorsteinn Hakonarson ? Your really are scraping the bottom of the psuedo-maxist barrel.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 11:03am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:48am: athos wrote on Feb 16th, 2022 at 10:26am: Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :) If you’ll excuse the ad hominem attack, until and unless you’re able to demonstrate anything like a basic knowledge of the Australian political system, and in the interests of not making a fool of yourself, just shut up. "Australia is in a way a feudal extension from Britain. It never did make the peoples breach with right of nobility and authority. That was done in the US. Influenced by still instituted European Viking settled in America of peoples right to own property and land, and moreover to claim land, as Viking law allowed. The newcomer came to Australia under the crown as convicts that did not claim land and assume the right to defend themselves as led to making of the United States. By this neither were the native people recognized as free people, they were treated like convicts from the very beginning of no rights. All this needs to be corrected or there will civil uprisings, Australia needs a settled constitution of equal rights and of historical respect". Thorsteinn Hakonarson

Not many people know that between 1718 and 1775 over 52,000 convicts were transported from the British Isles to America, mainly to Maryland and Virginia, to be sold as slaves to the highest bidder. It is reckoned that transported convicts made up a quarter of the British immigrants to colonial America in the 18th century.


The First Fleet and the British settlement of Australia happened because convicts could no longer be transported to America after its independence in 1776.

athos wrote on Feb 16^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2022 at 8:22pm: Quote: How do you know what the non Anglo Aussies people think? Support for democracy is not a function of race. The only people I have come across who are ideologically opposed to democracy, other than stooges for various dictators, are Muslims, who are in a sense also stooges for a dictator, just one who is long dead. Obviously when you or one of the other stooges say the Chinese people despise democracy, everyone realises you are lying. The CCP opposes democracy, for obvious reasons. The rest of the Chinese people have no choice in the matter. Being of the same race, or living in China or Hong Kong, does not mean you speak for all Chinese people, any more than I speak for all white or all Australian people. But I can tell you what they think on a lot of issues. It's easier in Australia because we have the right to ask them, and they have the right to say, very loudly if they feel they are being ignored or misrepresented. Again, this is not because my race or my nationality gives me special knowledge. And living in China is not a basis for any kind of knowledge. People who live in China are generally ignorant, because the CCP makes them so. Particularly on issues concerning China itself. Case in point: CCP stooges explaining to us why the CCP prevents the Chinese people from learning about the Great Chinese Famine. So I ask again, how do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy? Sorry dear Mr Fed You are not in a position to talk about democracy because you do not know what democracy is. In fact, in your British colony called Australia, you only have an undemocratically elected head of the British state backed by the hypocrisy of a two-party cartel system. :)

How do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?


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In China, unlike America and Australia, political legitimacy is built on competence and experience.

How does starving 50 million of your own citizens to death by trying to feed them work into that? Most people would call that worse than incompetence, don't you think?


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The Communist Party of China has adapted this tradition for modern China, building a system for selecting its leaders based on merit and performance.

The CCP is internally democratic. That's the biggest irony here.


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The contest today is between a US plutocracy, in which the bottom 50% of the population has experienced stagnant or declining livings standards since 1990, cf the meritocracy in China in which the bottom 50% of the population has experienced the fastest increase in living standards over the same period, in all of China's 2200 year history.

It's easy to "improve" when you start at starving. What are they up to now? $2 a day?

Xi Jinping Criticizes Trudeau's Heavy-Handed Approach


BEIJING—Chinese President Xi Jinping has reportedly looked on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's handling of Canadian protesters with surprise, describing it as "monstrous" and "heavy-handed."

"I'm shocked by Trudeau's horrific mistreatment of his own people," said President Xi Jinping while helping himself to a jar of honey. "He's being very heavy-handed with these protesters. It's shameful!"

Xi, who polices his own people for thought crimes, suggested that Trudeau try a more subtle approach. "I'm constantly throwing people in prison," he said. "But I do so discreetly while silencing anyone who speaks of it."

"Please understand," he continued. "I believe he should throw them all in camps to make shoes for the Americans. But he's openly criticizing them—giving their cause a voice."

"It's a rookie move."

Trudeau, who has referred to people sitting in their trucks as violent protesters sieging the city, has claimed that he only desires to crush his citizens under the jackboot of tyranny, revel in their cries of anguish, and scatter their wasted corpses to the wind.

"I don't see what's so heavy-handed about that," said Trudeau.

New York Times(?)

What a fantasy
:)

How do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?

If you keep letting the CCP get away with "little mistakes" like starving 50 million of your citizens to death with unequal food distribution, do you think they might be more inclined to repeat those mistakes in the belief they can get away with it again?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

I would have thought distinguishing between rule by elected adversarial  parties, and consensus meritocracies,  was subtle enough,

Are you suggesting China has a consensus meritocracy?

We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state.
:)

How do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?

freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 8:51pm:

Chinese people despise democracy

https://media1.giphy.com/media/10uEX5kfeodYgo/200.gif

Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy?

You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos.

Please restrain from personal insults.
Thank you

Note:
freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum?
Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed.
:)

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy?

False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore.

*** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy.
The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state".
:D

athos wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore. *** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state". :D

Well, Western civilisation is evidently superior to others in every way,  especially to Chinese, Indian, African, Aboriginal Australian, Latin American (itself a deformed version of Iberian Catholic Western culture).

Whether Anglo civilisation is superior to other European cultures  is perhaps a little more debatable. But in the end it has no real rival. It has great counterweights in French, German and other European cultures, literatures, customs and sensibilities but it wins because it absorbs them in a way they cannot and do not absorb the Anglo culture and sensibility.

Russia is sinking into barbarism because it is not taken seriously as a civilisation (an ignorant, stupid mistake but it is perpetuated by the oafishnes of Russia as much as by the stand-offish ignorance of the West).

athos wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 8:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :)

To-the-athos-bot-administrator:-
There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to-
They-are-used-by-multiple-bots-
Across-multiple-social-media-sites.-
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False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore.

According to who? The CCP?

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 8:54pm:

athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore. *** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state". :D Well, Western civilisation is evidently superior to others in every way,  especially to Chinese, Indian, African, Aboriginal Australian, Latin American (itself a deformed version of Iberian Catholic Western culture). Whether Anglo civilisation is superior to other European cultures  is perhaps a little more debatable. But in the end it has no real rival. It has great counterweights in French, German and other European cultures, literatures, customs and sensibilities but it wins because it absorbs them in a way they cannot and do not absorb the Anglo culture and sensibility. Russia is sinking into barbarism because it is not taken seriously as a civilisation (an ignorant, stupid mistake but it is perpetuated by the oafishnes of Russia as much as by the stand-offish ignorance of the West).

Nay, old boy, Athos is right. We simply just don't want you people here, okay? 

Athos, please don't gloat, it hurts us more than it hurts the old boy, but we simply can't have these people here, they're thoroughly despicable.

Fwank is on record as supporting Vlad. That's that, no?

Enough's enough. Old boy, you're done. We don't want you here.

Never ever. On stilts. We mean this in the nicest possible way, no?

Now fuck orff. You're done.

Karnal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:41am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:54pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore. *** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state". :D Well, Western civilisation is evidently superior to others in every way,  especially to Chinese, Indian, African, Aboriginal Australian, Latin American (itself a deformed version of Iberian Catholic Western culture). Whether Anglo civilisation is superior to other European cultures  is perhaps a little more debatable. But in the end it has no real rival. It has great counterweights in French, German and other European cultures, literatures, customs and sensibilities but it wins because it absorbs them in a way they cannot and do not absorb the Anglo culture and sensibility. Russia is sinking into barbarism because it is not taken seriously as a civilisation (an ignorant, stupid mistake but it is perpetuated by the oafishnes of Russia as much as by the stand-offish ignorance of the West). Nay, old boy, Athos is right. We simply just don't want you people here, okay?  Athos, please don't gloat, it hurts us more than it hurts the old boy, but we simply can't have these people here, they're thoroughly despicable. Fwank is on record as supporting Vlad. That's that, no? Enough's enough. Old boy, you're done. We don't want you here. Never ever. On stilts. We mean this in the nicest possible way, no? Now fuck orff. You're done.

Well, paki, which civilisation is superior to the West in your estimation?

Tell us, there's 10 rupees in it for you.

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 8:54pm:

athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore. *** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state". :D Well, Western civilisation is evidently superior to others in every way,  especially to Chinese, Indian, African, Aboriginal Australian, Latin American (itself a deformed version of Iberian Catholic Western culture). Whether Anglo civilisation is superior to other European cultures  is perhaps a little more debatable. But in the end it has no real rival. It has great counterweights in French, German and other European cultures, literatures, customs and sensibilities but it wins because it absorbs them in a way they cannot and do not absorb the Anglo culture and sensibility. Russia is sinking into barbarism because it is not taken seriously as a civilisation (an ignorant, stupid mistake but it is perpetuated by the oafishnes of Russia as much as by the stand-offish ignorance of the West).

"The beginning of someone's end is when his self-confidence becomes his arrogance".
Lao Tzu
:)

Karnal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:41am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:54pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? False Western "democracy" (hypocrisy)*** is a thing of the past. Nobody wants that anymore. *** "We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state". :D Well, Western civilisation is evidently superior to others in every way,  especially to Chinese, Indian, African, Aboriginal Australian, Latin American (itself a deformed version of Iberian Catholic Western culture). Whether Anglo civilisation is superior to other European cultures  is perhaps a little more debatable. But in the end it has no real rival. It has great counterweights in French, German and other European cultures, literatures, customs and sensibilities but it wins because it absorbs them in a way they cannot and do not absorb the Anglo culture and sensibility. Russia is sinking into barbarism because it is not taken seriously as a civilisation (an ignorant, stupid mistake but it is perpetuated by the oafishnes of Russia as much as by the stand-offish ignorance of the West). Nay, old boy, Athos is right. We simply just don't want you people here, okay?  Athos, please don't gloat, it hurts us more than it hurts the old boy, but we simply can't have these people here, they're thoroughly despicable. Fwank is on record as supporting Vlad. That's that, no? Enough's enough. Old boy, you're done. We don't want you here. Never ever. On stilts. We mean this in the nicest possible way, no? Now fuck orff. You're done.

Who are "these people"?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :) To-the-athos-bot-administrator:- There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to- They-are-used-by-multiple-bots- Across-multiple-social-media-sites.- Please-advise-if-you-need-examples.-

You are again wrong.
I am nice to everyone and you behave like a daffy duck.

https://h7.alamy.com/comp/H601DY/cartoon-character-figurine-daffy-duck-boxing-H601DY.jpg

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 9:01pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :) To-the-athos-bot-administrator:- There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to- They-are-used-by-multiple-bots- Across-multiple-social-media-sites.- Please-advise-if-you-need-examples.- You are again wrong. I am nice to everyone.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 11:07am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 9:01pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :) To-the-athos-bot-administrator:- There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to- They-are-used-by-multiple-bots- Across-multiple-social-media-sites.- Please-advise-if-you-need-examples.- You are again wrong. I am nice to everyone. Ah!-the-bot-administrator-has-taken-manual-control!- Apart-from-using-moron-,-brainless,-idiot-and-many-others- many-times-recorded-on-this-forum...- Bot-administrator:-you need-to-review-the-athos-bot-settings and-posting-history.

I think it's a misunderstanding on your part.
I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese,
I have to use English.
In any case, I promise to learn the Australian dialect more. At the same time, you Aussies cannot be forever isolated in your British colony.
It is time for you to become more tolerant and start communicating with the outside world.
After all, I think you are nice guys except that you are too much under British colonial oppression
which prevents you from tolerating different opinions.

Look to Tibet to see people “colonial oppression.”

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Look to Tibet to see people “colonial oppression.”

God, you must be a very cruel man, let's try to explain once again and offer reconciliation.

Like I said before:
"I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese,
I have to use English".
Can you understand that?

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 11:13am: athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 11:07am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 9:01pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :) To-the-athos-bot-administrator:- There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to- They-are-used-by-multiple-bots- Across-multiple-social-media-sites.- Please-advise-if-you-need-examples.- You are again wrong. I am nice to everyone. Ah!-the-bot-administrator-has-taken-manual-control!- Apart-from-using-moron-,-brainless,-idiot-and-many-others- many-times-recorded-on-this-forum...- Bot-administrator:-you need-to-review-the-athos-bot-settings and-posting-history. I think it's a misunderstanding on your part. I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese, I have to use English. In any case, I promise to learn the Australian dialect more. At the same time, you Aussies cannot be forever isolated in your British colony. It is time to become more tolerant and start communicating with the outside world. After all, I think you are nice guys except that you are too much under British colonial oppression which prevents you from tolerating different opinions.

To the English speaking Athos bot administrator:
To claim others have bad intentions but you don't when doing the same thing is not a misunderstanding, it's a deflection to save face. I'm sure that would be as true in Chinese culture as it is in Australian culture.

Australia is not a British colony and no Australian is under the impression that we are.

However, Australia (as with Canada, the USA, New Zealand etc..) is in the Anglosphere mainly because we inherited British governance culture and the English language. That does not make us subservient to the British government any more than Chinese speaking Taiwanese people are subservient to the CCP.

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:14pm: Look to Tibet to see people “colonial oppression.” God, you must be a very cruel man, let's try to explain once again and offer reconciliation. Like I said before: "I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese, I have to use English". Can you understand that?

You talked about colonial oppression. There is none—this is not weakness of your understannding of English. Now consider what the CCP thugs are doing in Tibet.

A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens

It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo

Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver

he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull

then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to

the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood

no officers arrived

seemed like an everyday event

Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship

I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy

Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement.

It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event

The Chinese have been indoctrinated by the CCP (or learned from harsh experience) not to get involved in anything that doesn't concern them.

This is true even in traffic accidents, where passers-by will not come to the aid of injured motorists.

A setup video was made in a Chinese city, of a mock abduction of a woman, to gauge the reaction of passers-by.

In all the setups, no one came to the aid of the screaming woman as she was 'abducted' by two men.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:43pm: A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement. It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become.

Don't know if you saw the vid I mentioned

but the killer looked to me to be a butcher, hence the apron and cleaver

I gained the impression he'd had enough of the BS

cleaved the officer's skull then went back to chopping up animals, was my impression, although I agree corruption exists within a billion-plus citizens

but I've watched videos where ordinary Chinese citizens have expressed negative opinions about their government.  And must say, I was surprised by their candour, which was at direct odds with western media's portrayal of China

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The Chinese have been indoctrinated by the CCP (or learned from harsh experience) not to get involved in anything that doesn't concern them. This is true even in traffic accidents, where passers-by will not come to the aid of injured motorists. A setup video was made in a Chinese city, of a mock abduction of a woman, to gauge the reaction of passers-by. In all the setups, no one came to the aid of the screaming woman as she was 'abducted' by two men.

Yes, seen similar videos.  But we're told that in China, if you take responsibility for an accident victim for example, it then falls upon you to accept responsibility for whatever medical costs might result if you take the victim to hospital and so on.  So that sort of law would have the same results if it were implemented in Australia -- no one would phone an ambulance to attend to someone who'd fallen in the street if Aussies knew in advance they'd be billed not only for the ambulance but also whatever medical costs resulted once the victim arrived at a hospital.  It's a bad law and you have to wonder if it's in place in China (as we're told is the case) to breed callous disregard for fellow citizens, or if it's simply bad law that's been allowed to continue

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Don't know if you saw the vid I mentioned but the killer looked to me to be a butcher, hence the apron and cleaver I gained the impression he'd had enough of the BS cleaved the officer's skull then went back to chopping up animals, was my impression, although I agree corruption exists within a billion-plus citizens but I've watched videos where ordinary Chinese citizens have expressed negative opinions about their government.  And must say, I was surprised by their candour, which was at direct odds with western media's portrayal of China

Using meat cleavers is a favourite weapon of choice among Chinese.

What doesn't get reported is the predisposition towards murdering children on their way to school with meat cleavers.

Any video criticising the CCP will be deleted if found. Many videos have made it past CCP censorship (or are made outside China (e.g. Taiwan).

Sometimes they are made from Australia and there are videos of what happens to the poster - The CCP police contact the person in Australia to advise them that they have their father / mother / relative at the police station who want to say 'hello' to them.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Quote: The Chinese have been indoctrinated by the CCP (or learned from harsh experience) not to get involved in anything that doesn't concern them. This is true even in traffic accidents, where passers-by will not come to the aid of injured motorists. A setup video was made in a Chinese city, of a mock abduction of a woman, to gauge the reaction of passers-by. In all the setups, no one came to the aid of the screaming woman as she was 'abducted' by two men. Yes, seen similar videos.  But we're told that in China, if you take responsibility for an accident victim for example, it then falls upon you to accept responsibility for whatever medical costs might result if you take the victim to hospital and so on.  So that sort of law would have the same results if it were implemented in Australia -- no one would phone an ambulance to attend to someone who'd fallen in the street if Aussies knew in advance they'd be billed not only for the ambulance but also whatever medical costs resulted once the victim arrived at a hospital.  It's a bad law and you have to wonder if it's in place in China (as we're told is the case) to breed callous disregard for fellow citizens, or if it's simply bad law that's been allowed to continue

That happens when the 'victim' sets up the person assisting by making a complaint against them as having caused the accident. That is a scam that's common among the elderly as, of course, the CCP does not look after the wellbeing of the elderly who cannot work.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:34pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 11:13am: athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 11:07am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 9:01pm: athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 8:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2022 at 7:34pm: Would it be fair to say that the CCP is trying very hard to promote the lie that Chinese people despise democracy? You-may-as-well-talk-to-a-toilet-roll-than-respond-to-athos. Please restrain from personal insults. Thank you Note: freediver why do you allow such uncivilized behavior that undermine reputation of this forum? Please protect innocent civilians from aggressive terrorists. Otherwise urgent denazification is needed. :) To-the-athos-bot-administrator:- There-are-multiple-personal-insults-in-your-database-the-athos-bot-has-access-to- They-are-used-by-multiple-bots- Across-multiple-social-media-sites.- Please-advise-if-you-need-examples.- You are again wrong. I am nice to everyone. Ah!-the-bot-administrator-has-taken-manual-control!- Apart-from-using-moron-,-brainless,-idiot-and-many-others- many-times-recorded-on-this-forum...- Bot-administrator:-you need-to-review-the-athos-bot-settings and-posting-history. I think it's a misunderstanding on your part. I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese, I have to use English. In any case, I promise to learn the Australian dialect more. At the same time, you Aussies cannot be forever isolated in your British colony. It is time to become more tolerant and start communicating with the outside world. After all, I think you are nice guys except that you are too much under British colonial oppression which prevents you from tolerating different opinions. To the English speaking Athos bot administrator: To claim others have bad intentions but you don't when doing the same thing is not a misunderstanding, it's a deflection to save face. I'm sure that would be as true in Chinese culture as it is in Australian culture. Australia is not a British colony and no Australian is under the impression that we are. However, Australia (as with Canada, the USA, New Zealand etc..) is in the Anglosphere mainly because we inherited British governance culture and the English language. That does not make us subservient to the British government any more than Chinese speaking Taiwanese people are subservient to the CCP.

I am sorry for having to say, but the rest of the world sees you in a different light than you see yourself in your colonial isolation. It is time for Australia to get out of the British coat and become part of the wider international community. China can help you economically in that, and Russia can also help with DeAnglicisation and DeNazification. Please stop being irrational racists and become more tolerant communicating with the rest of the free world.
God bless Aussies.
:)

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:26pm:

I am sorry for having to say, but the rest of the world sees you in a different light than you see yourself in your colonial isolation.

That may be true, but then the Chinese don't get out of China much except on spy business.

Isolation is true of Australia and New Zealand, but that is not ignorance of the world.

A colony is ruled by another power. That is not true of Australia or New Zealand.

Chinese ignorance of the world and other cultures eclipses even American ignorance of the world.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:56pm: Don't know if you saw the vid I mentioned but the killer looked to me to be a butcher, hence the apron and cleaver I gained the impression he'd had enough of the BS cleaved the officer's skull then went back to chopping up animals, was my impression, although I agree corruption exists within a billion-plus citizens but I've watched videos where ordinary Chinese citizens have expressed negative opinions about their government.  And must say, I was surprised by their candour, which was at direct odds with western media's portrayal of China Using meat cleavers is a favourite weapon of choice among Chinese. What doesn't get reported is the predisposition towards murdering children on their way to school with meat cleavers. Any video criticising the CCP will be deleted if found. Many videos have made it past CCP censorship (or are made outside China (e.g. Taiwan). Sometimes they are made from Australia and there are videos of what happens to the poster - The CCP police contact the person in Australia to advise them that they have their father / mother / relative at the police station who want to say 'hello' to them.

God, what false and evil accusations.
You really can't get rid of that devil in you. Try to activate the angel with something positive if it still exists in your lost soul.
God bless good Aussies.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:43pm: A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement. It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become.

In Tibet live very happy people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WetplXVVUo

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:25pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:14pm: Look to Tibet to see people “colonial oppression.” God, you must be a very cruel man, let's try to explain once again and offer reconciliation. Like I said before: "I didn't have bad intentions, it's just my fault that I used the wrong words because English is not my mother tongue. Since you don't speak Chinese, I have to use English". Can you understand that? You talked about colonial oppression. There is none—this is not weakness of your understannding of English. Now consider what the CCP thugs are doing in Tibet.

People in Tibet are just fine. They live very happy life, much happier than you do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6SLC4MIPek

Quote:

That happens when the 'victim' sets up the person assisting by making a complaint against them as having caused the accident. That is a scam that's common among the elderly as, of course, the CCP does not look after the wellbeing of the elderly who cannot work.

Quote:

What doesn't get reported is the predisposition towards murdering children on their way to school with meat cleavers. Any video criticising the CCP will be deleted if found. Many videos have made it past CCP censorship (or are made outside China (e.g. Taiwan). Sometimes they are made from Australia and there are videos of what happens to the poster - The CCP police contact the person in Australia to advise them that they have their father / mother / relative at the police station who want to say 'hello' to them.

There are videos showing elderly Chinese demonstrating extraordinary strength/desperation for a dollar.  In one, an elderly Chinese man carried a large and heavy looking wardrobe/cabinet on his back -- across town and up dozens of steep steps. Apparently it's cheaper to 'move house' by employing the desperate elderly than to hire, for instance, a van.  In another vid, older and elderly Chinese were lined up to carry bricks. The number of bricks carried by each man was beyond belief -- dozens at a time, on their backs looped by ropes.  They walked away with their burdens, bent over from the waist

There was a rash of reports about Chinese hacking into kindergarden and primary students a few years back.  Explanations don't make sense to Western minds

In contrast, though, is the man who travelled throughout China for years, searching for his son who'd been kidnapped aged 4.  The father worked odd-jobs during his search to pay for motor bike repair and fuel.  Took years before the son was located.  The son had been well cared for by his adoptive parents, well educated and seemed a bit nonplussed by his biological father's dedication

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

I worked with a Chinese girl who was in Australia to study.  She was assertive and said she'd worked in the Chinese version of the public service. At a party (in China) to celebrate the retirement of her boss, she slipped documents before him to be signed. Those documents allowed her to come to Australia.  After a year or so, she voluntarily returned to China. She said people in China get a better deal. When asked why, she spoke with disgust about so many 'old' Australians still at work and by 'old' she meant people around age 60 and older.

She told me that her father had retired by 60 and further questioning revealed her parents lived in a Chinese state-owned house which had 'belonged' to her grandparents and which had been handed down to her parents.  The Chinese state allowed tenants to pass the houses down generationally and undertook whatever maintenance/repairs were necessary

After learning this I explained to her that we don't have a similar situation here in Australia and must pay for our own houses, with mortgages often exceeding 25 years.  This, I said, is why senior-aged Australians continue to work.  She was nevertheless disgusted by so many older, working Aussies.  I posted about this years ago in this forum.  Hearing about the Chinese system was an eye-opener for those of us who worked with the Chinese girl as it ran contrary to what Australian media was reporting about China

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:49pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:43pm: A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement. It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become. God, what false and evil accusations. You really can't get rid of that devil in you. Try to activate the angel with something positive if it still exists in your lost soul. God bless you.

Here's a little light watching - In Northern China near the North Korean border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fShUSNUhLH0

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

She told me that her father had retired by 60 and further questioning revealed her parents lived in a Chinese state-owned house which had 'belonged' to her grandparents and which had been handed down to her parents.  The Chinese state allowed tenants to pass the houses down generationally and undertook whatever maintenance/repairs were necessary

I wonder what her father did as a day job.

A CCP official, I'd bet.

All property is owned by the CCP in China and is leased to the occupants.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:49pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:43pm: A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement. It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become. God, what false and evil accusations. You really can't get rid of that devil in you. Try to activate the angel with something positive if it still exists in your lost soul. God bless you. Here's a little light watching - In Northern China near the North Korean border. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fShUSNUhLH0

Again fake Anglo news media.
;D

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:52pm: athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:49pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 12:43pm: A year or more ago, when the convid hoax was going full throttle, I saw a video in a Chinese town or city in which a Chinese police officer in uniform was attempting to impose convid-law on citizens It was a busy looking market area, small shops etc.  The officer was behaving fairly mildly, imo Then up the street came a strong looking Chinese citizen, bare chested and carrying a meat cleaver he laid into the officer.  Only took a couple of whacks with the cleaver to split the officer's skull then off went the citizen, leaving the officer prone, obviously dead or close-to the multitude of citizens didn't blink.  Went back to their business.  Dying frames of the video showed the officer unmoving in the street, surrounded by blood no officers arrived seemed like an everyday event Not to mention articles in the media a month or so ago in which it was reported that tens of thousands of Chinese citizens were flooding to Mongolia in hope of gaining Mongolian entry, citizenship I do not believe that the Chinese people despise democracy Many Triad gang leaders have significant influence within the CCP and, as such, can act with murderous impunity at times. This has been demonstrated many times, by leaked videos, in the north of China along the North Korean and Mongolian borders where the CCP and gangs have a deeply corrupt arrangement. It's also true throughout China as, apparently, the further from Beijing you go, the more murderously corrupt CCP officials become. God, what false and evil accusations. You really can't get rid of that devil in you. Try to activate the angel with something positive if it still exists in your lost soul. God bless you. Here's a little light watching - In Northern China near the North Korean border. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fShUSNUhLH0 Again fake Anglo news media. ;D

Back-to-the-Athos-bot.-
Put-the-bot-administrator-back-on.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.
When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

Karnal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:41am:

Fwank is on record as supporting Vlad. That's that, no?

As always, you are pulling Bbwianesque nonsense out of you ravaged, Groznyfied arse, paki.

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According to overseas media, the Chinese authorities are engaged in a new moral code, including ridding social media of effeminate boy-bands and the focus on cosmetic surgery, western fads and music, etc

As part of this push, the Chinese authorities urge their menfolk in particular to shape-up by  going to gyms, etc. instead of the sedentary, computer and gaming lifestyle

In addition, the Chinese authorities are urging people to (a) marry and (b) produce two and more children.  As incentive, the authorities provide extra paid time off work

The same overseas media claims the above measures stem from China's ageing populations which can only be supported by an enlarged younger population

Chinese singles counter this by claiming they can't afford to marry or have children.  Those who already have one child claim they cannot afford to have more.  Is this because children would impede their desire to achieve a western, materialistic lifestyle?

I watched a video from China in which a bride, in full western-style wedding regalia, abused her future spouse for not giving her a Mercedes as she'd asked.  The groom, humiliated by this display before the entire wedding-party, countered by telling her that he simply could not afford to provide her the upmarket home she'd demanded, plus monetary gifts, plus the Mercedes -- something had to give, so instead of the Mercedes, he'd bought her an expensive new vehicle, but hadn't been able to stretch to the Mercedes

The groom's parents, uncles, etc. stood embarrassed as the bride lashed into him, told him he was a cheap-stake, unworthy, etc.  Then she threw her wedding bouquet in his face and strutted away

the video went on to say that in addition to the bride's demands, the groom would also have been required to house and support her parents (and possibly his own, can't remember).  All this stemmed from the one-child policy, said the video, which had in turn resulted in a scarcity of women -- which eventuated years later in unrealistic demands from the women of marriageable age.  Most comments beneath the video were along the lines of, 'You had a lucky escape, mate'

In another video out of China, a very well-educated Chinese young woman filmed her attendance at a 'marriage mart', which we're told is a regular event in some places in China.  She said her parents had continually nagged her to attend the marriage-market and finally, to please them, she'd attended and filmed some of it

she filmed herself sitting on a bench at the marriage market.  Before her were copies of her 'credentials' including her education and career path. We in Australia would consider her a catch.  One set of men's parents after another approached her and studied her credentials before inviting her to meet their son.  She said she felt utterly humiliated but accepted the pragmatism of those who approached her -- they wanted their son to make a good match with a woman who'd be able to contribute financially in their son's life

she was an attractive young woman and she said she felt no need to marry as she could more than adequately provide for herself.  Parental pressure pushed her to attend the function which was very well-attended by parents.  Can't remember seeing any single men present although there might have been

but what does this say about the claim that Chinese despise democracy?  Sure, in the West we promote romantic love as the driver towards marriage and children.  But in the West also, many marriages fail due to financial hardships.  And more than a few Western marriages are the result of the wish, by one or the other party, to benefit themselves financially, although this isn't often discussed in the western media

whereas in China there's an emphasis on education as a means to lift out of poverty.  It's therefore natural that someone who's making good money and an improved lifestyle would want similar contribution from a prospective spouse

aren't the basic aims the same though -- a wish to improve lifestyle and prospects?  Isn't that the reason millions of Chinese left their rural homes for the cities and the hopes of employment?  Haven't many Chinese gone on strike when factories closed down?  Aren't the proprietors of those factories required to provide monetary compensation for those forced into unemployment?  Isn't there legislation in China which compels factory owners to financially compensate those who they've forced into unemployment -- same as in the west (democracy)?  Isn't China repurposing many factories after their owners (Japanese for example) quit China?

Do we hear the truth about many aspects in China from western media?  Is it as bad in China as we've been told, taking into account the massive Chinese population and regions?

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.

Until the CCP comes knocking; then a Hong Konger is handed over no matter what the reason.

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong. When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

Complete nonsense, as usual.  Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China.

You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government.
The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical.

The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

To be suspected is that Hong Kongers expected the West (their trusting beliefs in it) to come to their rescue.  And we didn't.  I understand why we didn't.  But it must have been a bitter blow for Hong Kongers.  And a lesson to be learned.  A lesson brought to them by the CCP

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

. According to overseas media, the Chinese authorities are engaged in a new moral code, including ridding social media of effeminate boy-bands and the focus on cosmetic surgery, western fads and music, etc As part of this push, the Chinese authorities urge their menfolk in particular to shape-up by  going to gyms, etc. instead of the sedentary, computer and gaming lifestyle In addition, the Chinese authorities are urging people to (a) marry and (b) produce two and more children.  As incentive, the authorities provide extra paid time off work The same overseas media claims the above measures stem from China's ageing populations which can only be supported by an enlarged younger population Chinese singles counter this by claiming they can't afford to marry or have children.  Those who already have one child claim they cannot afford to have more.  Is this because children would impede their desire to achieve a western, materialistic lifestyle? I watched a video from China in which a bride, in full western-style wedding regalia, abused her future spouse for not giving her a Mercedes as she'd asked.  The groom, humiliated by this display before the entire wedding-party, countered by telling her that he simply could not afford to provide her the upmarket home she'd demanded, plus monetary gifts, plus the Mercedes -- something had to give, so instead of the Mercedes, he'd bought her an expensive new vehicle, but hadn't been able to stretch to the Mercedes The groom's parents, uncles, etc. stood embarrassed as the bride lashed into him, told him he was a cheap-stake, unworthy, etc.  Then she threw her wedding bouquet in his face and strutted away the video went on to say that in addition to the bride's demands, the groom would also have been required to house and support her parents (and possibly his own, can't remember).  All this stemmed from the one-child policy, said the video, which had in turn resulted in a scarcity of women -- which eventuated years later in unrealistic demands from the women of marriageable age.  Most comments beneath the video were along the lines of, 'You had a lucky escape, mate' In another video out of China, a very well-educated Chinese young woman filmed her attendance at a 'marriage mart', which we're told is a regular event in some places in China.  She said her parents had continually nagged her to attend the marriage-market and finally, to please them, she'd attended and filmed some of it she filmed herself sitting on a bench at the marriage market.  Before her were copies of her 'credentials' including her education and career path. We in Australia would consider her a catch.  One set of men's parents after another approached her and studied her credentials before inviting her to meet their son.  She said she felt utterly humiliated but accepted the pragmatism of those who approached her -- they wanted their son to make a good match with a woman who'd be able to contribute financially in their son's life she was an attractive young woman and she said she felt no need to marry as she could more than adequately provide for herself.  Parental pressure pushed her to attend the function which was very well-attended by parents.  Can't remember seeing any single men present although there might have been but what does this say about the claim that Chinese despise democracy?  Sure, in the West we promote romantic love as the driver towards marriage and children.  But in the West also, many marriages fail due to financial hardships.  And more than a few Western marriages are the result of the wish, by one or the other party, to benefit themselves financially, although this isn't often discussed in the western media whereas in China there's an emphasis on education as a means to lift out of poverty.  It's therefore natural that someone who's making good money and an improved lifestyle would want similar contribution from a prospective spouse aren't the basic aims the same though -- a wish to improve lifestyle and prospects?  Isn't that the reason millions of Chinese left their rural homes for the cities and the hopes of employment?  Haven't many Chinese gone on strike when factories closed down?  Aren't the proprietors of those factories required to provide monetary compensation for those forced into unemployment?  Isn't there legislation in China which compels factory owners to financially compensate those who they've forced into unemployment -- same as in the west (democracy)?  Isn't China repurposing many factories after their owners (Japanese for example) quit China? Do we hear the truth about many aspects in China from western media?  Is it as bad in China as we've been told, taking into account the massive Chinese population and regions?

China: The men who are single and the women who don't want kids

China's situation could be uniquely exacerbated given the number of men who are finding it difficult to find a wife in the first place, let alone think of starting a family.

After all, there is a severe gender imbalance in the country - last year, there were 34.9 million more males than females.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57154574
China will be the first gay superpower since Sparta.

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong. When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong. Complete nonsense, as usual.  Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China. You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government. The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical. The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet.
;D

Hong Kong has the type of democracy that if you protest against the CCP you disappear.

Piss off with your “democracy in Hong Kong” bullshit!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: She told me that her father had retired by 60 and further questioning revealed her parents lived in a Chinese state-owned house which had 'belonged' to her grandparents and which had been handed down to her parents.  The Chinese state allowed tenants to pass the houses down generationally and undertook whatever maintenance/repairs were necessary I wonder what her father did as a day job. A CCP official, I'd bet. All property is owned by the CCP in China and is leased to the occupants.

From what she said, he, like her, was a public servant, minor league

She had some funny ideas

One of these involved male baldness.  She said a bald man in China, like her father, was respected, because it meant he had worked his brain hard

She also believed that above Australia hovered  a 'black hole' which condemned Aussies to fatal skin cancers

When I jotted a phone number down on the back of my hand, she threw a fit, claiming this would give me can-sah

She was extremely moral.  For example, when our boss put a fatherly hand on her shoulder, she jumped away from him like a scalded cat, shouting, 'No touch!'.  He cringed.  Later, when he was gone, she said she'd been engaged in China.  Throughout her engagement, her boyfriend was not allowed to physically touch her -- not when holding an umbrella over her while crossing a road, not ever, not even when she rode pillion on his scooter -- no physical touching at all

Her boyfriend went to Canada before she came to Australia.  They planned to marry when they'd both returned to China.  But after a while in Canada, he'd contacted her to say he'd met someone else.  She was stoic, shrugged it off.  No compromise in her regarding morality.  And of course she chose to return to China of her own accord anyway

In China, her parents considered themselves well-off apparently.  Her father after all had retired with his 'brainy' bald head.  When she undertook to come to Australia, it was believed by her parents and their contemporaries that she was studying at an Australian university, studying 'computers'

she worked alongside me for almost a year, very nice kid, but her computer skills were restricted to playing around with those little cartoon things (forgotten their name) and using them in mock-up page headers.  She wasn't stupid by any means.  But reality dawned when she announced her parents were flying over from China to attend her 'graduation'

she was worried sick.  Because she'd actually been attending a TAFE in Sydney.  And instead of the apartment her parents believed they'd been funding for her, she had been hot-cotting with up to a dozen Chinese kids in a couple of rooms while they all had part-time jobs

So, she could  not produce her 'apartment' or her 'university graduation' for her parents.  The reason was that although her parents believed they'd been sending her adequate funds, by Australian standards it was a pittance

To save face for her parents, she hired the full graduation gown.  I think one of her friends was roped-in to take video of the girl and her family in the quad of Sydney University.  And she'd arranged for her parents to spend their time here (few days) in a borrowed apartment.  She said the subterfuge would convince her parents her stay in Australia had been adequately funded and they would be proud of themselves and her

At her request, I wrote her a glowing reference re: her time with our employer.  She said western references counted for a lot in China.  She had zero skills in reality, but was sure the reference would not be closely scrutinized on her return to China. And whatever TAFE had provided her hadn't been worth her attendance, imo

anyway, although her father's lifetime employment by the Chinese state hadn't translated to wealth, it provided him respect (and his baldness helped, apparently).  And he'd had his own or his wife's parents state-owned house, which would have been a massive saving compared to Aussie homeowners

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:30pm: athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong. When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong. Complete nonsense, as usual.  Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China. You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government. The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical. The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway. When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet. ;D

Xi Ping Pongs wasn't democratically elected, cockwomble. Nor any of the previous CCP General secretaries whose were declared head of state not democratically but by the CCP.

But keep talking utter crap, that's your function here, Porthos.

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When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know.

From what we hear, it's on the cards

The majority of commonwealth members are republics and it's almost certain there will be more

the Commonwealth of Nations is basically a club for mutual benefit

Queen Elizabeth pretty much forced/coerced members to make her son Charles the head of the commonwealth at one of those lavish dinners shown at the time on tv.  Polite speech would insist she 'prevailed' upon them.  But we saw it.  She held the dinner guests over a barrel as an old and respected woman

She did the same when she declared her grandson Harry and his wife were to be heads of Commonwealth Youth (even though they were both 30 plus years old).  Those titles seem to have faded into obscurity even though only a couple of years old -- no doubt due to the fact that Harry and his wife are universally mocked

So in a few years, the Commonwealth of Nations may well have an elected head who is not 'royal'.  And there was something in the headlines in the past couple of days about William saying as much

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. To be suspected is that Hong Kongers expected the West (their trusting beliefs in it) to come to their rescue.  And we didn't.  I understand why we didn't.  But it must have been a bitter blow for Hong Kongers.  And a lesson to be learned.  A lesson brought to them by the CCP

Could be, but it would have been naive of them to think so.

Hong Kong is not like Taiwan. It was formally handed back to China (unfortunately) run by the CCP.

Of course the CCP was always going to break the deal. It murders its own people, why would it care about an international agreement?

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:55pm:

From what she said, he, like her, was a public servant, minor league She had some funny ideas One of these involved male baldness.  She said a bald man in China, like her father, was respected, because it meant he had worked his brain hard She also believed that above Australia hovered  a 'black hole' which condemned Aussies to fatal skin cancers When I jotted a phone number down on the back of my hand, she threw a fit, claiming this would give me can-sah She was extremely moral.  For example, when our boss put a fatherly hand on her shoulder, she jumped away from him like a scalded cat, shouting, 'No touch!'.  He cringed.  Later, when he was gone, she said she'd been engaged in China.  Throughout her engagement, her boyfriend was not allowed to physically touch her -- not when holding an umbrella over her while crossing a road, not ever, not even when she rode pillion on his scooter -- no physical touching at all Her boyfriend went to Canada before she came to Australia.  They planned to marry when they'd both returned to China.  But after a while in Canada, he'd contacted her to say he'd met someone else.  She was stoic, shrugged it off.  No compromise in her regarding morality.  And of course she chose to return to China of her own accord anyway In China, her parents considered themselves well-off apparently.  Her father after all had retired with his 'brainy' bald head.  When she undertook to come to Australia, it was believed by her parents and their contemporaries that she was studying at an Australian university, studying 'computers' she worked alongside me for almost a year, very nice kid, but her computer skills were restricted to playing around with those little cartoon things (forgotten their name) and using them in mock-up page headers.  She wasn't stupid by any means.  But reality dawned when she announced her parents were flying over from China to attend her 'graduation' she was worried sick.  Because she'd actually been attending a TAFE in Sydney.  And instead of the apartment her parents believed they'd been funding for her, she had been hot-cotting with up to a dozen Chinese kids in a couple of rooms while they all had part-time jobs So, she could  not produce her 'apartment' or her 'university graduation' for her parents.  The reason was that although her parents believed they'd been sending her adequate funds, by Australian standards it was a pittance To save face for her parents, she hired the full graduation gown.  I think one of her friends was roped-in to take video of the girl and her family in the quad of Sydney University.  And she'd arranged for her parents to spend their time here (few days) in a borrowed apartment.  She said the subterfuge would convince her parents her stay in Australia had been adequately funded and they would be proud of themselves and her At her request, I wrote her a glowing reference re: her time with our employer.  She said western references counted for a lot in China.  She had zero skills in reality, but was sure the reference would not be closely scrutinized on her return to China. And whatever TAFE had provided her hadn't been worth her attendance, imo anyway, although her father's lifetime employment by the Chinese state hadn't translated to wealth, it provided him respect (and his baldness helped, apparently).  And he'd had his own or his wife's parents state-owned house, which would have been a massive saving compared to Aussie homeowners

Yep. I believe every word of that.

Superstitious to the point of ridiculous. Obsessed with saving face to the point where, so long as it looked like she graduated, then she did.

Truth or lies are of no relevance; so long as it looks correct and saves face.

The scary thing is that the same goes for those who get 'medical degrees' in China, such that their universities churn out witchdoctors.

Athos how do you know that the Chinese people despise democracy?

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:30pm: athos wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 2:01pm: PZ547 wrote on Mar 29th, 2022 at 1:49pm: You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people. And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy. Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP. The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan. The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong. When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong. Complete nonsense, as usual.  Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China. You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government. The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical. The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway. When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet. ;D Xi Ping Pongs wasn't democratically elected, cockwomble. Nor any of the previous CCP General secretaries whose were declared head of state not democratically but by the CCP. But keep talking utter crap, that's your function here, Porthos.

Well....................... sadly ........................ our PM is not elected either - he is the party's choice....

No difference and really we can do much better...... Let The People Decide!!

Seriously - who of our current lot would YOU vote for as President with powers?


Freudian Keyslip For Today:-

'loot' as in 'current loot' .......

LOOT

As in lot with a huge O from the voters..... the horror....... the horror................

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Everyone concerned knew the date of UK departure was imminent

Hongkongers were invited by the UK to move to the UK if they wanted.  So they had options

Some did move to the UK from HongKong

Others declined the offer because they believed they'd be better off in Hongkong

as it turned out, many were/are not

but they can still take up the UKs offer if they choose, far as I know

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:11pm:

Quote: When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. From what we hear, it's on the cards The majority of commonwealth members are republics and it's almost certain there will be more the Commonwealth of Nations is basically a club for mutual benefit Queen Elizabeth pretty much forced/coerced members to make her son Charles the head of the commonwealth at one of those lavish dinners shown at the time on tv.  Polite speech would insist she 'prevailed' upon them.  But we saw it.  She held the dinner guests over a barrel as an old and respected woman She did the same when she declared her grandson Harry and his wife were to be heads of Commonwealth Youth (even though they were both 30 plus years old).  Those titles seem to have faded into obscurity even though only a couple of years old -- no doubt due to the fact that Harry and his wife are universally mocked So in a few years, the Commonwealth of Nations may well have an elected head who is not 'royal'.  And there was something in the headlines in the past couple of days about William saying as much

The Commonwealth is a new name for the modified British Empire.

The whole free world hopes that Russia will oppose the Globalist Nazis, which would
finally save the whole normal humanity from Anglo-Khazarian fascist enslavement.

The whole world wants putin to die and russia to leave Ukraine.