thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Are you talking about the death toll from the Chinese virus? The virus that is presumed to have originated in a Wuhan wet market? Yes. Death toll in the  US: >900,000. In China, c.5,000. Meanwhile the division in the deluded 'sovereign individual' West is reaching breaking point....

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 3:41pm: So the CCP is winning now because it is killing Americans rather than its own citizens? No: the CCP is winning because it is saving it own citizens, while the US mal-administration is killing US citizens. Quote: Another good example of why the CCP doesn't want its own citizens knowing the truth about the Great Chinese Famine. They are doing it again. You just finished explaining to us how there is no point letting the Chinese people know the truth about the famine, yet you expect us to believe this BS? "Just finished explaining" ....what? The mistakes of the pre 1980's are long past. Now whether you believe current stats is up to you. [quote]https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/millions-dead-from-coronavirus-in-china-separating-fact-from-fiction--c-978217 But the true extent of the country’s infection and death toll remains unknown. “President Xi Jinping told his party officials that this is a peoples’ war against COVID-19, and they would fail if cases rose in their local areas,” Shoebridge said. “He sacked the Hubei party leadership as cases in the province continued to rise. “After that, the number of reported cases in China magically took a radical drop. The burden of proof, Shoebridge says, now lies with the Chinese authorities, to explain to the world how the country where the pandemic began became the lucky country in the per capita toll COVID-19 has taken on its citizens.

"Fewer still would be aware it was founded and is run by a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement, which the Communist Party of China has outlawed".

See the problem? These 'sovereign individual' ideologue traitors, like Falun Gong,  are behind this nonsense.


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Basically, the CCP is again killing large numbers of it's own citizens with propaganda and self delusion. How many Chinese citizens do you think died because the party machine under-reported how bad the situation is, leading to an inadequate response from Beijing (which was also a cause of the Great Chinese Famine).

Certainly this much is certain: crooked Western media supporting  its sovereign individual delusion will be the last source to look for the truth about China.


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Do you think that once again, the rural poor are suffering the most from the CCP's brutal indifference and manipulation?

No. Victor's video has it straight from a chines citizen.
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Do you believe the stats?


thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 3:43pm: 1.4 billion and only 5000 deaths! Yes that's what you can achieve when you lock-down the economy at the first sign of an outbreak.  Quote: There’d be 5000 deaths a month from food poisoning alone in China. a big number because of the big population, but not covid deaths.... [quote]The cover up of deaths is so laughable, no where in the world bothers with them, but estimates the true figure is in the millions.

Whatever, the breakdown of authority in the democracies with the anti vaxxers etc appears close at hand...
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how do you propose to prove that the CCP is lying FD?

Or are you just hoping?

John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:35pm:

how do you propose to prove that the CCP is lying FD? Or are you just hoping?

Excess deaths above yearly norms

The sudden massive drop in mobile phone usage in a given area

There’s two ways

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:35pm: how do you propose to prove that the CCP is lying FD? Or are you just hoping? Excess deaths above yearly norms The sudden massive drop in mobile phone usage in a given area There’s two ways

great, I can't wait for FD to prove his claim then.

John, do you believe the official CCP stats on covid deaths?

No one believes that super low number of deaths in China
except the brainwashed Chinese people.

And John.

John, why are you so defensive of the CCP?

And why is it up to use to disprove whatever they make up?

Deaths have to have been higher than we have seen reported but they did go into extreme lockdowns almost at once.

They would certainly have done a lot better than the US did with the Trump strains.

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but they did go into extreme lockdowns almost at once

By "at once" you mean about a month after the outbreak was reported to them, after lying to the public and misrepresenting the extent of the outbreak. They jailed journalists in an effort to cover it up.

The stooges would have us believe that "the mistakes of the pre 1980's  are long past". This is a reference to 50 million Chinese starving to death because the government tried to feed them, but ended up distributing food unequally because the CCP cannot tell the truth. Yet we see them repeating the exact same mistake with covid.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 6:35pm:

No one believes that super low number of deaths in China except the brainwashed Chinese people.

Not those whose relatives vanished without trace.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2022 at 6:46am:

Quote: but they did go into extreme lockdowns almost at once By "at once" you mean about a month after the outbreak was reported to them, after lying to the public and misrepresenting the extent of the outbreak. They jailed journalists in an effort to cover it up. The stooges would have us believe that "the mistakes of the pre 1980's  are long past". This is a reference to 50 million Chinese starving to death because the government tried to feed them, but ended up distributing food unequally because the CCP cannot tell the truth. Yet we see them repeating the exact same mistake with covid.

Yes it’s all coming back to me now.
There were 2 journalists I followed and their final vids and pleas …
Then…. Vanished! And their mothers/family desperately trying to locate them, no answer from their phones.  :-[

Then there was that 1st doctor and his medical team that tried to initially warn of the new virus detected but were made to sign a gag order instead.
Then the month or so after the virus spread and that young doctor died from covid, whilst the CCP kept silent… the virus silently spread.
Yes… it’s all coming back to me now. :-/

John Smith wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:35pm:

how do you propose to prove that the CCP is lying FD? Or are you just hoping?

Easy. Are their lips moving = they are lying.

The CCP:

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thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 4:17pm: They deliberately suppressed information about the initial covid virus outbreak in the lead up to Chinese new year, when Chinese people travel a lot, resulting in a massive spread of the disease when they should have been trying to slow the spread. Again, massive loss of life, this time not just restricted to China. That's not progaganda - you are changing the topic (!);

The topic was that keeping people alive is setting the bar a bit high for the CCP.


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but no doubt there was considerable panic afoot at the time which they wanted to keep under wraps.

Shouldn't the priority have been to keep the virus under control and keep people alive? It sounds to me like once again the CCP prioritised saving face, at the expense of the lives of the Chinese people.