This seems to be happening all over the USA.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/

The anti-critical race theory campaigner  @kemibadenoch  could be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Listen to her incredible speech denouncing CRT:

https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1547287878610300929

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

This seems to be happening all over the USA. https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/

Uneducated Americans who don't even know what CRT is, displaying their astounding ignorance?

Yes, it is happening all over the USA.

is there ANYTHING pecca is not an authority on  ;D ;D ;D

            ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw

Some great comments:

"And I guarantee you he calls other people “sheeple”."

"Jesus Christ these people have not even paused to think about it. They just let Tucker get them worked up and followed."

"This is exactly the problem. They don't know what it is but they know that they have to angry about it for some reason."

"Preaching what should and shouldn’t be taught, and not even a true attempt to learn what it is they are mad about….The irony is blinding."

“I just know that I’m an uninformed racist and no one should try to convince me there’s a better way to be.”

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19th, 2022 at 7:37pm: This seems to be happening all over the USA. https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/ Uneducated

:D :D


Universities have been captured by a "parasitic ideology". They now put trigger warnings on archeology courses about encounters with human remains and about the possibly upsetting ending of the Jesus story for theology undergraduates.
If you were university educated in the last 20 years you were subjected to concerted efforts of deliberate brainwashing and you needed a strong sense of integrity and ability to think for yourself to come out unscathed, with your hair still its natural colour and mind unwarped.

https://youtu.be/yWA7nQquLjQ

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

This seems to be happening all over the USA. https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/

Americans are all idiots. NY post is a far right hate rag.  CRT does not exist in high or primary schools, another right wing fantasy

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Universities have been captured by a "parasitic ideology". They now put trigger warnings on archeology courses about encounters with human remains and about the possibly upsetting ending of the Jesus story for theology undergraduates. If you were university educated in the last 20 years you were subjected to concerted efforts of deliberate brainwashing and you needed a strong sense of integrity and ability to think for yourself to come out unscathed, with your hair still its natural colour and mind unwarped.

You are an idiot.  Boomer fantasies keep us all laughing but have no bearing on real life

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 11:58am:

The anti-critical race theory campaigner  @kemibadenoch  could be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Listen to her incredible speech denouncing CRT: https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1547287878610300929

I think all the people running are ignorant hateful garbage. AKA Tories

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:31pm:             ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw Some great comments: "And I guarantee you he calls other people “sheeple”." "Jesus Christ these people have not even paused to think about it. They just let Tucker get them worked up and followed." "This is exactly the problem. They don't know what it is but they know that they have to angry about it for some reason." "Preaching what should and shouldn’t be taught, and not even a true attempt to learn what it is they are mad about….The irony is blinding." “I just know that I’m an uninformed racist and no one should try to convince me there’s a better way to be.”

CRT is like socialism  the right hate it, but have no idea what it is

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:31pm:             ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw Some great comments: "And I guarantee you he calls other people “sheeple”." "Jesus Christ these people have not even paused to think about it. They just let Tucker get them worked up and followed." "This is exactly the problem. They don't know what it is but they know that they have to angry about it for some reason." "Preaching what should and shouldn’t be taught, and not even a true attempt to learn what it is they are mad about….The irony is blinding." “I just know that I’m an uninformed racist and no one should try to convince me there’s a better way to be.” CRT is like socialism  the right hate it, but have no idea what it is

Exactly!      [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:31pm:             ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw Some great comments: "And I guarantee you he calls other people “sheeple”." "Jesus Christ these people have not even paused to think about it. They just let Tucker get them worked up and followed." "This is exactly the problem. They don't know what it is but they know that they have to angry about it for some reason." "Preaching what should and shouldn’t be taught, and not even a true attempt to learn what it is they are mad about….The irony is blinding." “I just know that I’m an uninformed racist and no one should try to convince me there’s a better way to be.”

"They are concerned about something they don’t know about and isn’t even being taught to children and that blows my mind".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 1:55pm:

"They are concerned about something they don’t know about and isn’t even being taught to children and that blows my mind".

But that would mean that Tucker *gasp* LIED????

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 1:53pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:59pm: CRT is like socialism  the right hate it, but have no idea what it is Exactly!      [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Unseemly, boys, you two sucking each other like that in public. Desist. Tsk, tsk.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

Unseemly, boys, you two sucking each other like that in public. Desist. Tsk, tsk.

Once again, the right cry about cock.....

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 1:53pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:59pm: CRT is like socialism  the right hate it, but have no idea what it is Exactly!      [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Unseemly, boys, you two sucking each other like that in public. Desist. Tsk, tsk.

http://my-smileys.000webhostapp.com/smileys/bj007.gifGo Pecca Go!!!!

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

This seems to be happening all over the USA. https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/

Yes Exactly - So many eejits who don't know what they are talking about. A right wing American epidemic.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:31pm:             ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9OUYehT_pw Some great comments: "And I guarantee you he calls other people “sheeple”." "Jesus Christ these people have not even paused to think about it. They just let Tucker get them worked up and followed." "This is exactly the problem. They don't know what it is but they know that they have to angry about it for some reason." "Preaching what should and shouldn’t be taught, and not even a true attempt to learn what it is they are mad about….The irony is blinding." “I just know that I’m an uninformed racist and no one should try to convince me there’s a better way to be.” CRT is like socialism  the right hate it, but have no idea what it is

Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:46pm:

Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is.

It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:46pm: Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is. It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it

Well, what is socialism?
What is CRT?


Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 11:58am:

The anti-critical race theory campaigner  @kemibadenoch  could be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Listen to her incredible speech denouncing CRT: https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1547287878610300929

She's  just another comfortable conservative not willing to examine the causes of poverty, latching onto CRT as a diversion to avoid  dealing with disadvantage.

She says: "CRT: an ideology that sees my blackness as victimhood, and their whiteness as oppression".

Dumb bitch..what about whites living in  poverty, are they "oppressors" too?   

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 11:58am: The anti-critical race theory campaigner  @kemibadenoch  could be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Listen to her incredible speech denouncing CRT: https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1547287878610300929 She's  just another comfortable conservative not willing to examine the causes of poverty, latching onto CRT as a diversion to avoid  dealing with disadvantage. She says: "CRT: an ideology that sees my blackness as victimhood, and their whiteness as oppression". Dumb bitch..what about whites living in  poverty, are they "oppressors" too?

You are too Chinese for this, bozo. Go print some money, chop chop.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:57pm: Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 11:58am: The anti-critical race theory campaigner  @kemibadenoch  could be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Listen to her incredible speech denouncing CRT: https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1547287878610300929 She's  just another comfortable conservative not willing to examine the causes of poverty, latching onto CRT as a diversion to avoid  dealing with disadvantage. She says: "CRT: an ideology that sees my blackness as victimhood, and their whiteness as oppression". Dumb bitch..what about whites living in  poverty, are they "oppressors" too?    You are too Chinese for this bozo. Go print some money, chop chop.

I can't (it's illegal);  but your f**kwit central bank governor can, but he refuses to do so, preferring to put us all in hock to evil interest-seeking private loan sharks ... I mean private financiers.

And so we now have the health minster crying poor: "we can't supply any more free RATS, because the government owes $1 trillion in covid related debt (owes it to whom, you might ask...)   

Which doesn't worry that stupid black bitch banging on about CRT, cheered on by her equally dumb white colleagues, because she and they are all comfortable conservatives on a fat wage.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

...She's  just another comfortable conservative not willing to examine the causes of poverty, latching onto CRT as a diversion to avoid  dealing with disadvantage. She says: "CRT: an ideology that sees my blackness as victimhood, and their whiteness as oppression". Dumb bitch.. what about whites living in  poverty, are they "oppressors" too?

What she says pretty well sums up the notion of CRT in simple terms.

And re whites living in poverty, what about America's list of billionaire blacks?


Quote:

In recent years, with interest in inequality and the racial wealth gap, the study of Black contributions to the growth of American capitalism has grown. It has revealed that Black entrepreneurs played an active role in the growth of American capitalism, especially since the 19th century.  Between 1870 and 1940, patents by residents of  Washington, Maine, Colorado, Pennsylvania, and Indiana, as well as those born in those states, were higher for Black inventors than for White inventors.

[Investopedia, 18 February/17 January 2022]

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 10:15pm:

...And so we now have the health minster crying poor: "we can't supply any more free RATS, because the government owes $1 trillion in covid related debt (owes it to whom, you might ask...)

When the Federal government needs to spend more money than it raises in tax
revenue, it directs the Treasury to issue debt in the form of bonds and notes, or
Australian Government Securities (AGS). The government borrows money by
selling bonds, which are financial instruments. People "lend" money by buying
those bonds from the government.

Australia's 21/22 gross debt is 40% of our GDP, whereas America's is 127%.  Ouch!

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 11:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:57pm: ...She's  just another comfortable conservative not willing to examine the causes of poverty, latching onto CRT as a diversion to avoid  dealing with disadvantage. She says: "CRT: an ideology that sees my blackness as victimhood, and their whiteness as oppression". Dumb bitch.. what about whites living in  poverty, are they "oppressors" too?    What she says pretty well sums up the notion of CRT in simple terms.

Yes, but CRT is a diversion; on the Left, because the Left thinks racism is the main cause of black poverty/disadvantage; on the Right , because the Right thinks poverty is a result of failure to take responsibility for one's own life. 


Quote:

And re whites living in poverty, what about America's list of billionaire blacks? [quote]In recent years, with interest in inequality and the racial wealth gap, the study of Black contributions to the growth of American capitalism has grown. It has revealed that Black entrepreneurs played an active role in the growth of American capitalism, especially since the 19th century.  Between 1870 and 1940, patents by residents of  Washington, Maine, Colorado, Pennsylvania, and Indiana, as well as those born in those states, were higher for Black inventors than for White inventors.

[Investopedia, 18 February/17 January 2022]
[/quote]

Addressed above, you have just shown that poverty is NOT mainly a RACE-based issue, as asserted by the Left, and ridiculed by the Right.

Poverty is an economic systems problem; the current mainstream neoliberalism has resulted in increasing inequality - and social instability (eg "BLM" protests) since the 80's, regardless of race.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 11:30pm:

Yes, but CRT is a diversion; on the Left, because the Left thinks racism is the main cause of black poverty/disadvantage; on the Right , because the Right thinks poverty is a result of failure to take responsibility for one's own life.  [quote]And re whites living in poverty, what about America's list of billionaire blacks? Addressed above, you have just shown that poverty is NOT mainly a RACE-based issue, as asserted by the Left, and ridiculed by the Right. Poverty is an economic systems problem; the current mainstream neoliberalism has resulted in increasing inequality - and social instability (eg "BLM" protests) since the 80's, regardless of race.

I am not sure how to address all of this BS.  It's astonishing.  I'll lead with this.  'the left' is not celebrating CRT.  We can read, we know what CRT is, we know the issue is confected

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:46pm: Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is. It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it Well, what is socialism? What is CRT?

Words that frighten you, even though you don't have the slightest idea what they are.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:46pm: Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is. It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it Well, what is socialism? What is CRT? Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain.

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:56pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:46pm: Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is. It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it Well, what is socialism? What is CRT? Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain. Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27-LIBX4AwLUYP?.jpg

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:33am:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27-LIBX4AwLUYP?.jpg

Boomers lying about Venezuela is so 2020

There is no such thing as a straight person of colour. 

To be heterosexual is to be white-adjacent. 

Straight black people are the white people of black people.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 9:25am:

There is no such thing as a straight person of colour.  To be heterosexual is to be white-adjacent.  Straight black people are the white people of black people.

Boomer

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:56pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 8:46pm: Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is. It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it Well, what is socialism? What is CRT? Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain. Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Good reply to Frank, let's see what his response is.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity.

Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three.

Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white.

So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience.

Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour.

Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews.

Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity).

Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada).

And on it goes.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity. This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black. Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity. Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three. Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white. So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience. Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour. Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews. Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity). Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada). And on it goes.

There's a grain of truth amongst this BS, it is true that african slaves were ripped from their backgrounds.  That is true, and it affects them today.  CRT is still not being used to teach in high schools

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

More like it's the notion that personal gain should not be at the cost of communal wellbeing.

Democratic socialism (as practised throughout Europe and Australia, New Zealand and Canada), allows for the human instinct for acquisition, but not above ensuring absolute poverty is avoided among the majority.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:09pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money More like it's the notion that personal gain should not be at the cost of communal wellbeing. In social democracy (as practised throughout Europe and Australia, New Zealand and Canada), allows for the human instinct for acquisition, but not above ensuring absolute poverty is avoided among the majority.

All over the world, society is only livable because of the implementation of socialism.  For example. the idea that common folk could own houses was created precisely to stop people becoming socialists

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity. This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

But....

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-under-attack/2021/05

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021  10 min read

"Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement.

Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:00pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity. This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black. Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity. Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three. Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white. So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience. Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour. Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews. Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity). Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada). And on it goes. There's a grain of truth amongst this BS, it is true that african slaves were ripped from their backgrounds.  That is true, and it affects them today.  CRT is still not being used to teach in high schools

No bullshit about it.

Humans naturally discriminate in a myriad of ways - including ways that would affect you.

Every society instinctively discriminates against foreigners.

There's more to it than black vs white.

Even in America that's true, such as the violent rivalry between Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and among American Christians and American Jews of the same period, etc.. etc.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:00pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity. This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black. But.... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-under-attack/2021/05 What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack? By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021  10 min read "Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement. Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...

It is clearly the former, but it's not being used outside of universities to do that

Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems
Thomas Sowell


That vision is nowhere more clearly expressed than in attempts to automatically depict whatever social problems exist in ghetto communities as being caused by the sins or negligence of whites, whether racism in general or a "legacy of slavery" in particular.

Like most emotionally powerful visions, it is seldom, if ever, subjected to the test of evidence.

The "legacy of slavery" argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half century.

You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state -- and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves.


https://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/05/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.html

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems Thomas Sowell

Sowell is literally garbage wrapped in skin.  I believe that he wrote this drivel.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

[size=24] You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP.

1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization".

2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU).

3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'.... 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm: [size=24] You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large. More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP. 1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization". 2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU). 3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'....

He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm: [size=24] You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large. More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP. 1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization". 2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU). 3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'....  He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.

Sowell is a right wing maggot in the USA I believe?

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm: [size=24] You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large. More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP. 1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization". 2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU). 3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'....  He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.

Have you already forgotten the video you presented of the black (female)  conservative UK politician, spouting the usual RW garbage? 

[And of course you can't debate the points, as usual]

Which proves women can be just as indifferent to -  and ignorant of the causes of -  disadvantage as men...as we already knew after Thatcher...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:00pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am: CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity. This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black. But.... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-under-attack/2021/05 What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack? By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021  10 min read "Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement. Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...

Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.

US societies (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc...

All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world. The US (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc... All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

JAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!

typical right wing nazi BS.  'all humans do it'  LOL!!!!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.

Americans are even more divided by Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology, than race.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:45pm: Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world. The US (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc... All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend). JAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!! typical right wing nazi BS.  'all humans do it'  LOL!!!!

Show me a society that has not / does not discriminate.

You can be sure that if society as we know it collapsed, those who remain after an apocalyptic event would quickly revert to fundamental human instinct and the likes of, say, yourself as a bloke in a dress, would be lynched.

As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.

Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm: As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast. Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!

Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty?

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm: As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast. Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!! Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty?

I am better than most people but I give everyone a fair go

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:23pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm: As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast. Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!! Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty? I am better than most people but I give everyone a fair go

;D ;D ;D ;D

You could make a fortune parodying pwogwessive types like Bbwian and FutureTheLeftWankTo. 

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

;D ;D ;D ;D You could make a fortune parodying pwogwessive types like Bbwian and FutureTheLeftWankTo.

What part of being decent upsets you so much?

In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility?

Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls.

Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite.

CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile.
Titania's dad.



Just so.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:50pm:

In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility? Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls. Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite. CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile. Titania's dad. Just so.

" divisive and destructive ideology"

Define the ideology and explain why it's destructive.  We both know you cannot.  You're just crying

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm: As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast. Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains.


I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it.

Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer?

In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:18pm:

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains. I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it. Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer? In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:50pm: In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility? Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls. Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite. CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile. Titania's dad. Just so. " divisive and destructive ideology" Define the ideology and explain why it's destructive.  We both know you cannot.  You're just crying

Read the post.  Highlighted to help you.

Need red font?

Here's Frank:

https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:18pm: Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains. I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it. Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer? In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine. Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

:D :D

Today's word (again) is non sequitur.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:18pm: Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains. I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it. Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer? In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine. Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago.

Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago.

It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago. Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago. It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance.

Yes, this is why I will always oppose right wing scum, with force if I need to

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:31pm: Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago. Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago. It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance. Yes, this is why I will always oppose right wing scum, with force if I need to

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'. And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree.  Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:44pm: What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'. And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism. America is already fascist, I agree.  Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea.

Give us another one.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:44pm: What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'. And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism. America is already fascist, I agree.  Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

You're not smart enough to be capable of much else.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:49pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:44pm: What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'. And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism. America is already fascist, I agree.  Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression.... Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea. Give us another one.

Christ you're worthless.  LOL!! Trump was a fascist.  Half the system there is fascist.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:49pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:44pm: What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'. And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism. America is already fascist, I agree.  Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression.... Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea. Give us another one. Christ you're worthless.  LOL!! Trump was a fascist.  Half the system there is fascist.

Fixed it:

  LOL!! Trump was is a fascist. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

Show me a society that has not / does not discriminate.

Quite so, society is composed of self-interested twits which we all are (Rousseau, Pascal) .   But you of course think the only solution is to give free rein to individuals governed by 'inherent individual rights' which don't exist in nature  That's why you refuse to even critique #157 in "Western democracy is an illusion.

[freediver admitted to being  a fraud - "FTW" -  when he refused to join the debate in the 'privatization' thread #24, you merely play dumb and hope noone will notice....] 

Not surprisingly you made the silly comment that race is the main force dividing the US, when obviously Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology is a more significant factor, because blacks AND whites exist on either side of the ideological divide. 


Quote:

You can be sure that if society as we know it collapsed, those who remain after an apocalyptic event would quickly revert to fundamental human instinct and the likes of, say, yourself as a bloke in a dress, would be lynched.

Sometimes what you say is correct....and then we would have to create Hobbes and Rousseau all over again.


Quote:

As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended. This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.

Yes, Rousseau had a vague awareness of "God" as the source of "The Social Contract".

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological  pseudo science.

Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain.

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa.

"White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Not surprisingly you made the silly comment that race is the main force dividing the US, when obviously Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology is a more significant factor, because blacks AND whites exist on either side of the ideological divide.

Aww, don't be an attention whore.

I said: 'Americans have succumbed to the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon'.

I didn't say: American fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological  pseudo science. Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain. That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it. Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa. "White privilege" is a slogan, not thought. A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition. It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

No white person alive today is guilty of slavery.

But ethno-chauvinism does exist in the US - one form of it is focussed on African-Americans. Trevor Noah commented on this recently when interviewed about his American experience.

"White privilege" used to be WASP hegemony. Now it's degenerated into anyone 'white' with 'white' having morphed (in the black American psyche and taken up generally among many non-African Americans) into a 'race'.

However, those African-descent Americans who are not descended from slaves (i.e. post-slavery African-Americans who have not lost their ethnic, national or religious identity by descent) are apparently per-capita more successful than slave descendants.

If the blacks and the tinted - and the proles, the underclass, the lazy, druggy, alky, work shy, [your self-pitying lazy bum demographic here] - didnt behave as they do, nobody would disdain them.
Race, class etc is what bums hide behind.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological  pseudo science. Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain. That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it. Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa. "White privilege" is a slogan, not thought. A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition. It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

You do know Jake that it isn't compulsory to clearly show that you have no idea what CRT is ?

I would not be too concerned almost nobody does. Particularly those who make the most noise about it.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological  pseudo science. Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain. That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it. Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa. "White privilege" is a slogan, not thought. A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition. It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history. You do know Jake that it isn't compulsory to clearly show that you have no idea what CRT is ? I would not be too concerned almost nobody does. Particularly those who make the most noise about it.

Explain it, then, in your own words, duckwit.

It is the sign of the lowbrow moron to pull others up on not understanding something without offering an understanding.

You invariably fall into this category, duckwit. You simply have no confidence in your own mental acuity. Nor do we. On that we are as one.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 10:36pm: Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..? This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT. CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

You are very naive.

CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming.

African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 11:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 10:36pm: Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..? This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT. CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame. You are very naive. CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming. African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 11:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 11:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 10:36pm: Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..? This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT. CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame. You are very naive. CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming. African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards'). 99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

And CRT is sending African-American people down a path that leads them to try out what it feels like to be an oppressor, not for the sake of justice, but for vengeance; not to mention the horror of an eventual backlash it will provoke.

And define 'right'. That's another term that's bandied about like the writer knows what it means and thinks it should go without saying what it is.

CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature.

Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable.

This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable.

If anyone wants to see how CRT negatively affects African-Americans' perception of discrimination should watch podcasts of African-Americans who have moved to Africa.

They quickly find that they are not seen as special or appressed, but perceived by the local people as a privileged outgroup (oh the irony) - African discrimination, of course, is primarily tribal-based, then nationality-based.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 11:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 11:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 10:36pm: Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:14pm: That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..? This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT. CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame. You are very naive. CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming. African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards'). 99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

They don't know what it is, but they know they don't like it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:56am:

They don't know what it is, but they know they don't like it.

Not surprising.

CRT is American witchcraft, masquerading as pseudoscience, masquerading as science.

As if the subconscious human instinct to discriminate between ingroups and outgroups (conveniently) does not exist.

https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:35am:

[]https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw[/media][]

Well, that's one old man you've found.

He's right not to like it, but not for no reason.

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

This seems to be happening all over the USA. https://nypost.com/2022/02/18/biracial-dad-slams-crt-as-a-discrimination-revolution-video/

[media width=500]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zy6DQoRYQw[/media]

[media width=500]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uf-HoXnL8E[/media]

CRT = PROPAGANDIZED HATE & BIGOTRY minus rational justification.

Vangard wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:18am:

CRT = PROPAGANDIZED HATE & BIGOTRY minus rational justification.[/size][/i][/b]

CRT is American witchcraft and is the 'religious' text used by latter-day American witch-hunters to identify 'witches' (i.e. 'white' people), whom they then go on to metaphorically burn at the stake of pseudoscience; the payoff? a faux sense of absolution from the guilt of slavery by deflecting it onto others.

CRT in practise has everything in common with Mao's cultural devolution.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:38am:

Vangard wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:18am: CRT = PROPAGANDIZED HATE & BIGOTRY minus rational justification.[/size][/i][/b] CRT is American witchcraft and is the 'religious' text used by latter-day American witch-hunters to identify 'witches' (i.e. 'white' people), whom they then go on to metaphorically burn at the stake of pseudoscience; the payoff? a faux sense of absolution from the guilt of slavery by deflecting it onto others. CRT in practise has everything in common with Mao's cultural devolution.

Yes, I would imagine right wing scum saying this while they masturbate.  Well done.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:38am: Vangard wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:18am: CRT = PROPAGANDIZED HATE & BIGOTRY minus rational justification.[/size][/i][/b] CRT is American witchcraft and is the 'religious' text used by latter-day American witch-hunters to identify 'witches' (i.e. 'white' people), whom they then go on to metaphorically burn at the stake of pseudoscience; the payoff? a faux sense of absolution from the guilt of slavery by deflecting it onto others. CRT in practise has everything in common with Mao's cultural devolution. Yes, I would imagine right wing scum saying this while they masturbate.  Well done.

You get an A+ for blind persistence in moronics.

Are you free to post all day today as well?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:45pm:

You get an A+ for blind persistence in moronics. Are you free to post all day today as well?

I'm painting windows and coming in to laugh at your failed life from time to time

If I am a moron, why can't you debate me? What's below a moron?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:45pm: You get an A+ for blind persistence in moronics. Are you free to post all day today as well? I'm painting windows and coming in to laugh at your failed life from time to time If I am a moron, why can't you debate me? What's below a moron?

Painting windows, eh. What's that a metaphor for?

Coming in to laugh, or when there's a lull in clientele at the park?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:53pm:

Painting windows, eh. What's that a metaphor for? Coming in to laugh, or when there's a lull in clientele at the park?

I didn't realise that weekends were so busy here but I guess every day is the same at the nursing home

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:53pm: Painting windows, eh. What's that a metaphor for? Coming in to laugh, or when there's a lull in clientele at the park? I didn't realise that weekends were so busy here but I guess every day is the same at the nursing home

Are old codgers still up for it?

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological  pseudo science. Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain. That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life. Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

So far so good.


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Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa. "White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

Given that some whites ARE racist (as are some blacks...), and that on average whites are wealthier  than blacks, we can see why some  people perceive  so-called "white privilege" to be a problem.


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A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

Maybe, but let's examine where YOU are being disingenuous, in this debate.

Exhibit One:

https://theworldincrisis.com/inequality-as-a-factor-in-social-unrest/

Inequality as a factor in social unrest

Exhibit 2:

https://twitter.com/StevenHailAus/status/1547452431159762944?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

So.... the US with the highest inequality of any rich nation, and  the highest per capita health expenditure, is currently the ONLY nation experiencing a DECLINE in av. life expectancy.

Note the graph only extends to 2018; the US has also had the greatest no. of covid deaths since then, so that downward trend will continue up to the present time.


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It is sloppy, half wit ranting...

As I expect you are also indulging in, given the realities revealed in Exhibits 1 and 2. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:27am:

CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature. Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable. This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable.

Just so. You can't stop racism, no?

How about we just become jolly old racists? We'll come here, spam the board with our Daily Mail articles, our drunken Boong videos and memes about Nig Nogs. If anyone raises racism, we'll say, wacist? Moi?

How very dare you!

I say we all give it a go. Starting from - now.

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:27am: CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature. Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable. This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable. Just so. You can't stop racism, no? How about we just become jolly old racists? We'll come here, spam the board with our Daily Mail articles, our drunken Boong videos and memes about Nig Nogs. If anyone raises racism, we'll say, wacist? Moi? How very dare you! I say we all give it a go. Starting from - now.

I thought you were better than that.

Of course ethno-chauvinism is unjust.

But what cannot be done is for ethno-chauvinism to be socially engineered out of another's psyche.

Legislation does not alter the human instinct to discriminate; it just proscribes against acting on those instincts - as it should.

What CRT is about is making the claim that 'once an oppressor, always an oppressor unless you undergo a conversion therapy requiring permanent self-loathing and being mindful of the actions of those who've gone before, whether or not they were actually your ancestors - they were, at least, your skin colour.

What can be taught is that we all have the instinct to discriminate with nearly everything imaginable and we must learn to be aware of it, such that our higher faculties can moderate our initial instinctive reaction.

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; as some people who like CRT know what it is.

What is 'the right'? To date no one who uses the term on this site has offered a definition. Can you?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Indeed. Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is. Any other questions?

So, no, then.

'The right' has become a dysphemism for anyone who disagrees with the writer. Evidently it has no intrinsic meaning.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Indeed. Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is. Any other questions?

It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion".

Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Indeed. Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is. Any other questions? It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion". Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course.

Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education.

This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all.

All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple  States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT.

It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 9:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Indeed. Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is. Any other questions? It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion". Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement. CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course. Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education. This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all. All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple  States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT. It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes.

And yet you and I talk about it on the other side of the world with quite a bit of passion.  Why are YOU so interested in it if it is really so marginal and insignificant, like macrame or sock puppetry.   Please explain your personal investment in something so irrelevant.  GO on.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:06pm: Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 9:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Indeed. Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is. Any other questions? It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion". Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement. CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course. Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education. This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all. All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple  States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT. It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes. And yet you and I talk about it on the other side of the world with quite a bit of passion.  Why are YOU so interested in it if it is really so marginal and insignificant, like macrame or sock puppetry.   Please explain your personal investment in something so irrelevant.  GO on.

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system.

You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system. You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula.

Here's one:

Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-critical-race-theory/5693550001/

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 6:29pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:27am: CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature. Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable. This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable. Just so. You can't stop racism, no? How about we just become jolly old racists? We'll come here, spam the board with our Daily Mail articles, our drunken Boong videos and memes about Nig Nogs. If anyone raises racism, we'll say, wacist? Moi? How very dare you! I say we all give it a go. Starting from - now. I thought you were better than that. Of course ethno-chauvinism is unjust. But what cannot be done is for ethno-chauvinism to be socially engineered out of another's psyche. Legislation does not alter the human instinct to discriminate; it just proscribes against acting on those instincts - as it should. What CRT is about is making the claim that 'once an oppressor, always an oppressor unless you undergo a conversion therapy requiring permanent self-loathing and being mindful of the actions of those who've gone before, whether or not they were actually your ancestors - they were, at least, your skin colour. What can be taught is that we all have the instinct to discriminate with nearly everything imaginable and we must learn to be aware of it, such that our higher faculties can moderate our initial instinctive reaction.

You think Fwank's higher faculties will moderate his initial instinctive reaction? He's aghast at the very "pwemise". Ethno-chauvinism?

How very dare you.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:20pm: Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system. You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it. There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula. Here's one: Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-critical-race-theory/5693550001/

Yes, right wing teachers are idiots and best removed from the system.  The school was not teaching CRT.  She was upset they told kids what racism is.

'Racism' is a a hackneyed term that has come to refer to a very limited form of discrimination - usually via skin colour and ethnic physical features.

Humans instinctively discriminate on everything (particularly if their manifestation is evident), with ethnicity (particular colour and ethnic physical features), culture, nationality and religion topping a list which also includes health status, foreignness, socio-economic status, gender, physical disability, psychiatric disorders, morality, sexuality, political sensibility - on anything that is possible to discern or intuit.

Discrimination is the norm in human nature, not the exception - anything that can separate those within an ingroup and those in an outgroup. Anyone only has to remember the playground as a child (or read many of the posts here) to intuit this is true.

Enlightened and advanced societies do and must do what they can to suppress this instinct, but it cannot be done by denying human predisposition towards unjust discrimination or by imagining that this predisposition can be socially engineered away.

It can only be moderated by encouraging people to become aware of this inherent predisposition in all of us and devise honest ways to train higher brain functioning to do what higher brain functioning can do: moderate or cancel the initial reaction to encounter with a perceived outgroup.

Honest training does not include imposing unjust guilt complexes or instilling self-loathing in those who reactively express instinctive discrimination. And this aspiration towards higher-mindedness towards others has always been with us; expressed through versions of the golden rule found in different permutations within all societies.

The ancient amd enduring golden rule, with the integration into the psyche of Martin Luther King's personal golden rule - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:57am:

'Racism' is a a hackneyed term that has come to refer to a very limited form of discrimination - usually via skin colour and ethnic physical features. Humans instinctively discriminate on everything (particularly if their manifestation is evident), with ethnicity (particular colour and ethnic physical features), culture, nationality and religion topping a list which also includes health status, foreignness, socio-economic status, gender, physical disability, psychiatric disorders, morality, sexuality, political sensibility - on anything that is possible to discern or intuit. Discrimination is the norm in human nature, not the exception - anything that can separate those within an ingroup and those in an outgroup. Anyone only has to remember the playground as a child (or read many of the posts here) to intuit this is true. Enlightened and advanced societies do and must do what they can to suppress this instinct, but it cannot be done by denying human predisposition towards unjust discrimination or by imagining that this predisposition can be socially engineered away. It can only be moderated by encouraging people to become aware of this inherent predisposition in all of us and devise honest ways to train higher brain functioning to do what higher brain functioning can do: moderate or cancel the initial reaction to encounter with a perceived outgroup. Honest training does not include imposing unjust guilt complexes or instilling self-loathing in those who reactively express instinctive discrimination. And this aspiration towards higher-mindedness towards others has always been with us; expressed through versions of the golden rule found in different permutations within all societies. The ancient amd enduring golden rule, with the integration into the psyche of Martin Luther King's personal golden rule - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

No one is impressing guilt on anyone.  The right simply love racism and hate it being negated.  CRT is another right wing fantasy, another way to say the quiet part out loud and try to not look racist.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 12:03am: Dnarever wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 10:20pm: Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system. You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it. There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula. Here's one: Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-critical-race-theory/5693550001/ Yes, right wing teachers are idiots and best removed from the system.  The school was not teaching CRT.  She was upset they told kids what racism is.

Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary?

I suspect you're trying to co-opt CRT to justify gender issues.

There is no such thing as 'right wing'.

Another one for you to pretend to comprehend.

I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated

https://www.commonsense.news/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:01am:

No one is impressing guilt on anyone.  The right simply love racism and hate it being negated.  CRT is another right wing fantasy, another way to say the quiet part out loud and try to not look racist.

You are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject.

If you're hoping that advocating for the likes of CRT will ameliorate your issues with gender (which is evident that you are) you'll fail. When CRT is outed as the witchcraft that it is, there will be a backlash that will worsen your outcomes.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary?

Wait - two people here have morals???

Quote:

I suspect you're trying to co-opt CRT to justify gender issues.

Then you're a real idiot.  How are they related? We talk mostly about gender issues because you all cry about cock, but I am as anti racist as I am anti transphobia.

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There is no such thing as 'right wing'.

You want me to just say fascist? *shrug*  fine.  So there's no such thing as politics?

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Another one for you to pretend to comprehend. I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated https://www.commonsense.news/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-common-sense-show/

This is the closest I could get to common sense news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss

Certainly it's run by a right wing idiot.  What is it with boomers and the capacity to source credible information on the internet?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:02am: Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary? Wait - two people here have morals???

Not morals - an agenda.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Then you're a real idiot.  How are they related? We talk mostly about gender issues because you all cry about cock, but I am as anti racist as I am anti transphobia.

They are not related, except via the attempt at equivalency you make.

Who created the thread poo jabbing?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:13am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:02am: Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary? Wait - two people here have morals??? Not morals - an agenda.

What is my agenda? The answer is, morals

Your link proves a right wing teacher was upset white kids had to learn about racism.  CRT is just your label for that.  Black kids already know what racism is, they live it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:02am: There is no such thing as 'right wing'. You want me to just say fascist? *shrug*  fine.  So there's no such thing as politics?

Given you have not defined 'right wing' such that it conforms to the way you use it, you have not demonstrated what you mean by it, except as a dysphemism for anyone who disagrees with you.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

What is my agenda? The answer is, morals

No it's the social approval of your gender issues.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:15am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:13am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:02am: Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary? Wait - two people here have morals??? Not morals - an agenda. What is my agenda? The answer is, morals Your link proves a right wing teacher was upset white kids had to learn about racism.  CRT is just your label for that.  Black kids already know what racism is, they live it

Who are white kids? Poles? Lithuanians? The Irish? The French?...

Ethno-chauvinism is alive and well among Africans in Africa How does that work in with black oppressed vs white oppressor?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

This is the closest I could get to common sense news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss Certainly it's run by a right wing idiot.  What is it with boomers and the capacity to source credible information on the internet?

Another indication that you are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject.

Paul Rossi has written about this and been interviewed multiple times in different forums.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:33am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:13am: This is the closest I could get to common sense news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss Certainly it's run by a right wing idiot.  What is it with boomers and the capacity to source credible information on the internet? Another indication that you are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject. Paul Rossi has written about this and been interviewed multiple times in different forums.

Four replies means I triggered you LOL!

We will never know, given no one will debate me.  All your replies were nonsense.  right wing is a well defined term.  Read a book

https://www.commonsense.news/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

This guy is literal human garbage.  This article is drivel.  You are throwing other racists at me, to avoid answering or debating me

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:33am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:13am: This is the closest I could get to common sense news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss Certainly it's run by a right wing idiot.  What is it with boomers and the capacity to source credible information on the internet? Another indication that you are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject. Paul Rossi has written about this and been interviewed multiple times in different forums. Four replies means I triggered you LOL!

No. It's easier for me to extricate each point in succession than to trawl through the set interspersing html code throughout one response.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:46am:

This guy is literal human garbage.  This article is drivel.  You are throwing other racists at me, to avoid answering or debating me

Paul Rossi is not human garbage.

You use these inflammatory epithets a lot.

As I've said, you are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:59am:

No. It's easier for me to extricate each point in succession than to trawl through the set interspersing html code throughout one response.

It's easier for me to reply four times

There is no HTML visible in any post you reply to.  The tags here are based on HTML, but not HTML

I'm not intellectually sophisticated, but you can't debate me.  Does that make you a moron?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:20am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 8:59am: No. It's easier for me to extricate each point in succession than to trawl through the set interspersing html code throughout one response. It's easier for me to reply four times There is no HTML visible in any post you reply to.  The tags here are based on HTML, but not HTML I'm not intellectually sophisticated, but you can't debate me.  Does that make you a moron?

Yes. Tags - that's what I'm referring to.

I, and most here, can and do easily debate you - You're not smart. You're emotionally hyper-charged.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:32am:

Yes. Tags - that's what I'm referring to. I, and most here, can and do easily debate you - You're not smart. You're emotionally hyper-charged.

Link me to the time someone debated me, that is, challenged what I said, and discussed it?

The tags are not HTML LOL

..


Black Father Blasts Critical Race Theory At Board Meeting

[media width=850]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m66rcHzWaPU[/media]

Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them.

Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:32am: Yes. Tags - that's what I'm referring to. I, and most here, can and do easily debate you - You're not smart. You're emotionally hyper-charged. Link me to the time someone debated me, that is, challenged what I said, and discussed it? The tags are not HTML LOL

You are the one who pretends no one will debate you. Every thread I have read where you have posted and soiled yourself ends the same way with you: emotive language as you depart until the moment is obscured by multiple other posts or a page turn.

Show me where you've won a debate as opposed to having lost or mocked as a hissy-fit effete male.

Panther wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:38am:

.. Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

It's an interesting claim, that some black people are worthless morons proves you are right? Nope

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

You are the one who pretends no one will debate you. Every thread I have read where you have posted and soiled yourself ends the same way with you: emotive language as you depart until the moment is obscured by multiple other posts or a page turn. Show me where you've won a debate as opposed to having lost or mocked as a hissy-fit effete male.

Neither has happened.  You cna't link me to one time I did what yuo claim.  I've never won, right wing scum never debate me.

Instead they say 'you are obviously gay' or 'here's a link to another person who believes the same bullshit as me, on a far right hate page I agree with because I am filth'

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Panther wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:38am: .. Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! It's an interesting claim, that some black people are worthless morons proves you are right? Nope

It's true that CRT proponents advocate for a form of ethno-chauvinism - and a very over-simplistic American form of it - black vs white). They justify this in the form of 'anti-racist' exceptionalism.

The uber-religious do this too - i.e. It's OK to break god's laws in pursuit of god's detractors.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

It's true that CRT proponents advocate for a form of ethno-chauvinism - and a very over-simplistic American form of it - black vs white). They justify this in the form of 'anti-racist' exceptionalism. The uber-religious do this too - i.e. It's OK to break god's laws in pursuit of god's detractors.

Define CRT and explain how CRT does this, or admit you're just mad at people hating racism

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[media width=850]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOAJz_pUxI[/media]

Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

Panther wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

.. Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

One thing right wing scum do to avoid debate is post the same lie over and over again

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:45am: It's true that CRT proponents advocate for a form of ethno-chauvinism - and a very over-simplistic American form of it - black vs white). They justify this in the form of 'anti-racist' exceptionalism. The uber-religious do this too - i.e. It's OK to break god's laws in pursuit of god's detractors. Define CRT and explain how CRT does this, or admit you're just mad at people hating racism

In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting.

It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:48am:

Panther wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:47am: .. Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! One thing right wing scum do to avoid debate is post the same lie over and over again

You're far too ignorant & hate filled to debate anything. You're not of sound mind. You've already proven it over & over. You're a Racist preaching Racism, & your ignorance is oppressing you so that you are helpless in seeing what you are for your own sake!!

Panther wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

.. []Black Father Blasts Critical Race Theory At Board Meeting[/size] []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m66rcHzWaPU[/][/] []Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! [center][]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOAJz_pUxI[]

Repeating posts doesn't help your cause.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:48am:

Panther wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:47am: .. Critical Race Theory teaches children to hate other children instead of teaching them the truth, that it's this CRT that will oppress them, & not a Race of people, their fellow citizens, that will oppress them. Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! One thing right wing scum do to avoid debate is post the same lie over and over again

Correct.

It's their true defining modus operandi.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 9:54am:

In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting. It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'.

All of this is simply pure nonsense. Total garbage.  But you've already shown me what your sources are, so I am not shocked

CRT does not blame or hate white people.  It simply suggests if we want to end racism we need to recognise the way our systems were built on it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:54am: In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting. It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'. All of this is simply pure nonsense. Total garbage.  But you've already shown me what your sources are, so I am not shocked CRT does not blame or hate white people.  It simply suggests if we want to end racism we need to recognise the way our systems were built on it

Do you have alternative to identifying who creates systemic racism except by identifying the offending race?

It does not start by blame. It starts by identifying oppressor and oppressed races (in the simplistic American mind that equates to white and black 'races'). It is then a short hop to an American favorite pastime - witch-hunting.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:54am: In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting. It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'. All of this is simply pure nonsense. Total garbage.  But you've already shown me what your sources are, so I am not shocked CRT does not blame or hate white people.  It simply suggests if we want to end racism we need to recognise the way our systems were built on it

Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

And if repeating the truth over & over disturbs you, you best get a direct line to your psychiatrist, because the truth is going to blow your gaskets!

Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

Do you have alternative to identifying who creates systemic racism except by identifying the offending race? It does not start by blame. It starts by identifying oppressor and oppressed races (in the simplistic American mind that equates to white and black 'races'). It is then a short hop to an American favorite pastime - witch-hunting.

The issue here is that you're insecure that such an investigation will lead to you.  CRT isn't about who is the oppressor.  It's about identifying and ending racism, not killing racists. 

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:05am: Do you have alternative to identifying who creates systemic racism except by identifying the offending race? It does not start by blame. It starts by identifying oppressor and oppressed races (in the simplistic American mind that equates to white and black 'races'). It is then a short hop to an American favorite pastime - witch-hunting. The issue here is that you're insecure that such an investigation will lead to you.  CRT isn't about who is the oppressor.  It's about identifying and ending racism, not killing racists.

It is absolutely about identifying an oppressor race, even if it concedes that an individual offender may not be aware he is an offender, in CRT that doesn't mitigate in favour of the oppressor race.

Panther wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:00am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:54am: In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting. It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'. All of this is simply pure nonsense. Total garbage.  But you've already shown me what your sources are, so I am not shocked CRT does not blame or hate white people.  It simply suggests if we want to end racism we need to recognise the way our systems were built on it Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! And if repeating the truth over & over disturbs you, you best get a direct line to your psychiatrist, because the truth is going to blow your gaskets! Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate!

What is it about gay people with large fonts and colour?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:12am:

Panther wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:07am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:00am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 9:54am: In order to justify identifying people by 'race' - which by their own terms is racist - a CRT proponent justifies it by using exceptionalism, i.e. in order to engineer it out of the mind, the oppressor 'race' must be identified as an oppressor race. What this leads to, of course, is a latter-day form of witch-hunting. It follows the spurious logic of a religious exceptionalistic maxim - 'In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god'. All of this is simply pure nonsense. Total garbage.  But you've already shown me what your sources are, so I am not shocked CRT does not blame or hate white people.  It simply suggests if we want to end racism we need to recognise the way our systems were built on it Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! And if repeating the truth over & over disturbs you, you best get a direct line to your psychiatrist, because the truth is going to blow your gaskets! Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are all Racists themselves.....mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate! What is it about gay people with large fonts and colour?

You think the American racist I quoted was gay? Why?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:11am:

It is absolutely about identifying an oppressor race, even if it concedes that an individual offender may not be aware he is an offender, in CRT that doesn't mitigate in favour of the oppressor race.

Given this is your bizarre hate fantasy, I won't bother asking for evidence

Wait, let me expose your ignorance.

Prove it

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Interracial Couple Fights Critical Race Theory


[media width=825]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-VBgENZ7c[/media]

Critical Race Theory teaches the ignorance of hate, & those that promote it are probably all Racists themselves.....probably mostly White Racists that live in guilt & self hate....

https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:11am: It is absolutely about identifying an oppressor race, even if it concedes that an individual offender may not be aware he is an offender, in CRT that doesn't mitigate in favour of the oppressor race. Given this is your bizarre hate fantasy, I won't bother asking for evidence Wait, let me expose your ignorance. Prove it

The proof is in the name - critical race theory. What sense would it make if it was not about race? And what about race? That racial bias imbues our decisions about social issues is a CRT claim. For the better or worse? For the worse, generally, as a dominant (oppressor) race arrogates the resources to inself to the detriment of the minority race.

You don't know what CRT means do you - except in the context of subverting it to advance the cause of social approval of non-normative sexual activity.

This form of cause-arrogation is common among certain groups with a divergent but obliquely similar agenda - like the current abuse of the term 'latinx', despite the contempt hispanic people have for the term.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:38am:

[]https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw[]

Here he is. You've wheeled your dad out again.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:43am:

The proof is in the name - critical race theory. What sense would it make if it was not about race? And what about race? That racial bias imbues our decisions about social issues is a CRT claim. For the better or worse? For the worse, generally, as a dominant (oppressor) race arrogates the resources to inself to the detriment of the minority race. You don't know what CRT means do you - except in the context of subverting it to advance the cause of social approval of non-normative sexual activity. This form of cause-arrogation is common among certain groups with a divergent but obliquely similar agenda - like the current abuse of the term 'latinx', despite the contempt hispanic people have for the term.

OK, so you are stupid.  critical theory is the theory of examining how class has shaped society and hurt the working class.  Critical race theory is named as it is, to identify the source of the idea it has, although pertaining to race.  Nothing in the name implies what you want it to,

And yes, POC are worse off in every way, so it's clearly true.  But it's also a university level topic, and not present in high schools.

You are so obsessed with cock, lol..... Where have I mentioned sex in this thread? You cry about it constantly

I am unsure what latinx has to do with it, but I think it's a term used in porn? Is it in your search history?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'?

Individual self-reliance associated with self-interest, personal responsibility**,  anti government-regulation of private sector activity, 'laissez faire',  small government, meaning low taxation - except for national defense, associated with nationalism and anti -internationalism.

**the only worthy item on this list which can be part of promoting universal well-being and security.

Didn't you know? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

Individual self-reliance hating poor people, personal responsibility punishing how people are born  anti government-regulation of private sector activity demanding government only exist to hurt people, 'laissez faire',   small government, meaning low taxation tax breaks for the rich - except for national defense, associated with nationalism and anti -internationalism. Didn't you know?

Agreed.  Nationalism and anti internationalism - one thing you got right, fascism

Kendi’s thesis—that if the races are equal, then racial disparities can owe only to racism and must be rectified through “antiracist discrimination”—is a simplistic reiteration of critical race theory’s core concepts. As journalist Aaron Sibarium has documented, Kendi has borrowed ideas from critical race theory and translated them into a media-friendly narrative. “When I see racial disparities, I see racism,” Kendi says, excluding other explanations. His logic often descends into circularity: when asked to define the word “racism,” he told attendees at the Aspen Ideas Festival that it is “a collection of racist policies that lead to racial inequity that are substantiated by racist ideas.”

In another nod to 1960s-style radicalism, Kendi also claims to oppose capitalism. “The life of racism cannot be separated from the life of capitalism,” he says. “In order to truly be antiracist, you also have to truly be anti-capitalist.” But Kendi, like fellow traveler Patrisse Cullors of Black Lives Matter, is a prolific capitalist in his personal life. He charged Fairfax County schools $20,000 an hour for a virtual presentation and has merchandised his entire line of ideas, releasing self-help products and even an “antiracist” baby book. He has accepted millions from tech and pharmaceutical companies on behalf of his Antiracism Center. Fighting against capitalism, as it turns out, is a lucrative enterprise.

Posturing aside, Kendi’s actual proposals, from “defunding the police” to restricting free speech, are alarming. Kendi advocates race-based discrimination, arguing that “the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.” He proposes a federal Department of Antiracism that would be unaccountable to voters or legislators, permanently funded, and granted the power to suppress “racist ideas” and veto, nullify, or abolish any law at any level of government not deemed “antiracist.”

As Americans begin to consider his ideas more seriously, Kendi finds himself on the defensive. In recent months, he has released a series of short-tempered articles and statements, claiming that “there is no debate about critical race theory” one moment, then distancing himself from critical race theory the next—notwithstanding that, only two weeks before, he had claimed that critical race theory was “foundational” to his work. When he’s put on the spot, Kendi reverts to word games and deflection, rather than defending his position on substance.

https://www.city-journal.org/ibram-x-kendi-master-marketer

https://www.city-journal.org/search?searchterms=Critical%20race%20theory

Word games, circularity,  deflection - lefty radicals are all like that.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 11:30am: Individual self-reliance hating poor people, personal responsibility punishing how people are born  anti government-regulation of private sector activity demanding government only exist to hurt people, 'laissez faire',   small government, meaning low taxation tax breaks for the rich - except for national defense, associated with nationalism and anti -internationalism. Didn't you know?  Agreed.  Nationalism and anti internationalism - one thing you got right, fascism

Interesting response; I'm interested to see Meister's "freedom values" critique of my list.

I attempted to define the Right from the Right's POV. You have critiqued my definition from the Left's POV.

Of course I agree with your real world substitutions - alternative meanings - for the items you crossed out.   

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:43am:

Word games, circularity,  deflection - lefty radicals are all like that.

Explain why POC are worse off in every western society.  Explain how Jim Crow was not racism

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:43am:

Posturing aside, Kendi’s actual proposals, from “defunding the police” to restricting free speech, are alarming. Kendi advocates race-based discrimination, arguing that “the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.” He proposes a federal Department of Antiracism that would be unaccountable to voters or legislators, permanently funded, and granted the power to suppress “racist ideas” and veto, nullify, or abolish any law at any level of government not deemed “antiracist.”

That's why I support an above-poverty Job Guarantee. The onus is on the Right to explain why their rejection of a JG is anything more than a claim to maximize their own selfish claims on the nation's productivity/output.


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As Americans begin to consider his ideas more seriously, Kendi finds himself on the defensive. In recent months, he has released a series of short-tempered articles and statements, claiming that “there is no debate about critical race theory” one moment, then distancing himself from critical race theory the next—notwithstanding that, only two weeks before, he had claimed that critical race theory was “foundational” to his work. When he’s put on the spot, Kendi reverts to word games and deflection, rather than defending his position on substance. https://www.city-journal.org/ibram-x-kendi-master-marketer https://www.city-journal.org/search?searchterms=Critical%20race%20theory Word games, circularity,  deflection - lefty radicals are all like that.

Well I can agree with you, the mainstream Left tie themselves up in knots when they support the current neoliberal monetarism which guarantees poverty for the most disadvantaged among us - regardless of race..... nevertheless blacks on average  ARE  the most disadvantaged among us.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:56am:

Well I can agree with you, the mainstream Left tie themselves up in knots when they support the current neoliberal monetarism which guarantees poverty for the most disadvantages among us - regardless of race..... nevertheless blacks on average  ARE  the most disadvantaged among us.

This is WHY Democrats and Labor are not left wing :) 

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 11:56am: Well I can agree with you, the mainstream Left tie themselves up in knots when they support the current neoliberal monetarism which guarantees poverty for the most disadvantages among us - regardless of race..... nevertheless blacks on average  ARE  the most disadvantaged among us. This is WHY Democrats and Labor are not left wing :)

Of course, though mainstream economists have convinced the electorate Dems and Labor are left wing...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 7:25pm: The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is. This has been proven over and over again. The same goes for socialism. Uneducated, right-wing sheep. Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ... Incorrect. They have no smacking idea. Morons. How could you know that? Can you define 'the right'? Individual self-reliance associated with self-interest, personal responsibility**,  anti government-regulation of private sector activity, 'laissez faire',  small government, meaning low taxation - except for national defense, associated with nationalism and anti -internationalism.

A copy and paste after hundreds of pages. Sad.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

A copy and paste after hundreds of pages. Sad.

You looking for an easy win after I dominated your BS on gays?

I am often accused of copying and pasting, partially b/c I write quick and partially because I write long, thought out factual responses to right wing BS

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

Nothing in the name implies what you want it to,

Yes it does. That's why American civil rights activists advocated it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

A copy and paste after hundreds of pages. Sad.

Nope; an 'on the spot' good-faith definition of the Right, something you have neither the courage or the nous to do.

You can of course critique my list (as FTLW did) , or  propose an alternative RW definition: or indeed define the Left..
Go on, show us what you've got or be exposed as an ideological fraud, joining the ranks of freediver  (self admitted, in the 'privatisation' thread #24).

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 11:43am: Posturing aside, Kendi’s actual proposals, from “defunding the police” to restricting free speech, are alarming. Kendi advocates race-based discrimination, arguing that “the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.” He proposes a federal Department of Antiracism that would be unaccountable to voters or legislators, permanently funded, and granted the power to suppress “racist ideas” and veto, nullify, or abolish any law at any level of government not deemed “antiracist.” That's why I support an above-poverty Job Guarantee. The onus is on the Right to explain why their rejection of a JG is anything more than a claim to maximize their own selfish claims on the nation's productivity/output. Quote: As Americans begin to consider his ideas more seriously, Kendi finds himself on the defensive. In recent months, he has released a series of short-tempered articles and statements, claiming that “there is no debate about critical race theory” one moment, then distancing himself from critical race theory the next—notwithstanding that, only two weeks before, he had claimed that critical race theory was “foundational” to his work. When he’s put on the spot, Kendi reverts to word games and deflection, rather than defending his position on substance. https://www.city-journal.org/ibram-x-kendi-master-marketer https://www.city-journal.org/search?searchterms=Critical%20race%20theory Word games, circularity,  deflection - lefty radicals are all like that. Well I can agree with you, the mainstream Left tie themselves up in knots when they support the current neoliberal monetarism which guarantees poverty for the most disadvantaged among us - regardless of race..... nevertheless blacks on average  ARE  the most disadvantaged among us.

Needless to say, NONE of my quotes have anything to do with what you say in response to them.

I could post act Ii of Hamlet and you would still respond by banging on about job guarantee and neoliberal monetary policy and the rest of your very , very limited but fervent manias, The Great Nonsequitur.
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FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 12:05pm: A copy and paste after hundreds of pages. Sad. You looking for an easy win after I dominated your BS on gays? I am often accused of copying and pasting, partially b/c I write quick and partially because I write long, thought out factual responses to right wing BS

No you don't. You write reactively and emotionally.

It leads you to contradict yourself or deny you posted something just a page or so previously or on another thread.

And you have used 'the right' to refer to anyone who disagrees with you, regardless of the topic.