Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 6:45am:

Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086

If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.?

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No, you may not make a comparison between any historical culture and Islam in the 21st Century, if you infer  that all cultures have the same value.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.?

Well, this Islam thing is a modern day version of the Spanish inquisition, isn't it?

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:02am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.? Well, this Islam thing is a modern day version of the Spanish inquisition, isn't it?

That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 12:46pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:02am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.? Well, this Islam thing is a modern day version of the Spanish inquisition, isn't it? That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others.

The term Catholic Country hasn’t the same meaning it often did. Instance, many nations with a majority Catholic population run secular governments. Allow the church to again be govern and the fires would be lit again. The Church of Rome is already enforcing it’s stance on abbortion in nations where is has sufficient power . Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Sounds like your condemning Christianity... Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 4:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 12:46pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:02am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.? Well, this Islam thing is a modern day version of the Spanish inquisition, isn't it? That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. The term Catholic Country hasn’t the same meaning it often did. Instance, many nations with a majority Catholic population run secural governments. Allow the church to again be govern and the fires would be lit again. The Church of Rome is already enforcing it’s stance on abbortion in nations where is has sufficient power . Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile

But Islam is no worse? You don't have to answer that. The point is, some cultures are better than others. Now I know multiculturalists cannot admit it because relativism is their foundation; I just like rubbing their noses in it, whether they like it or not. Hence, the link to this Arab's plight. But what do you care? As long as you can ponce around whining "Oh, the Catholics were just as bad . . . 500 years ago.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Sounds like your condemning Christianity... Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Christianity covers a multitude of sins and a few good ideas if we can believe the essence of the New Testament.
The last few hundred years of academic biblical studies have struggled valiantly to re-write the import of scripture, not always successfully. One brave attempt is the work of Bishop John Shelby Spong who’s worth a read.
We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one. [/font][/size][/b]

The claim of the ability to commune with the gods is found in all cultures and is as ancient as humanity.

It may even have been a feature of pre-homosapiens species.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:56pm: We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one. [/font][/size][/b] The claim of the ability to commune with the gods is found in all cultures and is as ancient as humanity. It may even have been a feature of pre-homosapiens species.

So what ?

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:59pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:56pm: We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one. [/font][/size][/b] The claim of the ability to commune with the gods is found in all cultures and is as ancient as humanity. It may even have been a feature of pre-homosapiens species. So what ?

How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be?

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

But Islam is no worse? You don't have to answer that. The point is, some cultures are better than others. Now I know multiculturalists cannot admit it because relativism is their foundation; I just like rubbing their noses in it, whether they like it or not. Hence, the link to this Arab's plight. But what do you care? As long as you can ponce around whining "Oh, the Catholics were just as bad . . . 500 years ago.

I have no idea why you’ve mentioned multiculturalism and relativism.
As to ‘ponce around whining Oh Catholics were just as bad’.
Ponce around? You do have a foetid imagination.
Have you, by some divine miracle, read my many criticisms of Islam made over a significant period in this place ? If you have do I really need to draw your attention to Koran: Sura 3: V 7 - 10 again ?

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 6:45am:

Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086

From your link

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In 2012, Mr Badawi was arrested in the city of Jeddah and charged with "insulting Islam through electronic channels" and "going beyond the realm of obedience". Later that year, a judge recommended that he also be tried for apostasy, which carries the death penalty, because Mr Badawi had refused to "repent to God".

What do these 13 countries have in common is it Sharia law?

Quote:

There Are 13 Countries Where Atheism Is Punishable by Death Atheists living openly in 13 countries risk the death penalty, according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority. The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/13-countries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

The punishment for apostasy is pretty clear

Quote:

the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3017

Only the morally bankrupt will stick up for the only religion that isn't compatible with human rights. What does article 18 say?
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

Islam has the death penalty for atheists blasphemers and poofters. The ignorant leftists like to ignore this fact.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be?

If that’s an obscure reference to something you imagine to be a form of repressed religious sensibility you’re so far off track it would be funny if it wasn’t so absurdly presumptuous.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 8:44pm:

Islam has the death penalty for atheists blasphemers and poofters. The ignorant leftists like to ignore this fact.

Ignorant leftists? How long have you been suffering the delusion only ignorant leftists ignore the evils of Islam? Maybe you’re so befuddled you imagine the Saudi royal family are leftists ?

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 7:19pm:

If you have do I really need to draw your attention to Koran: Sura 3: V 7 - 10 again ?[/size][/font][/b]

Why do you stick up for that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit?


Quote:

Alif-Lãm-Ra. ˹This is˺ a Book whose verses are well perfected and then fully explained. ˹It is˺ from the One ˹Who is˺ All-Wise, All-Aware. https://quran.com/11?startingVerse=1

What does the fine print in the Quran say about contradictions?


Quote:

Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies. https://quran.com/4/82

Mohammed sucks dead pigs balls.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 9:00pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:19pm: If you have do I really need to draw your attention to Koran: Sura 3: V 7 - 10 again ?[/size][/font][/b] Why do you stick up for that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit?

Your ability to totally misinterpret other’s posts negates any obligation to respond to yours.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:44pm: Islam has the death penalty for atheists blasphemers and poofters. The ignorant leftists like to ignore this fact. Ignorant leftists? How long have you been suffering the delusion only ignorant leftists ignore the evils of Islam? Maybe you’re so befuddled you imagine the Saudi royal family are leftists ?

It's quite clear ignorant leftists stick up for Islam despite the fact numerous countries ruled by sharia law have the death penalty for atheists blasphemers and poofters.

The Saudis don't ignore Islam the Saudi constitution says Gods Book (Quran) and the Sunnah of his Prophet are the constitution they have used Beheading to cure atheists blasphmers and poofters for about 1400 years.

Iran and Afghanistan didn't have these death penalties until the Islamic revolution in 1979 in Iran and when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan.

Whatever. The case of the Arab in the OP is a good example that some cultures are inferior to ours. It should be patently obvious, even to the biased. Often, the bias is founded on the ideas of humanism, which while well meaning, are naive.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 8:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:09pm: How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be? If that’s an obscure reference to something you imagine to be a form of repressed religious sensibility you’re so far off track it would be funny if it wasn’t so absurdly presumptuous.

Even the late Christopher Hitchens conceded that the religious instinct is ineradicable.

The extinguishing of formal religious beliefs instantly spawns a myriad of crypto-religious beliefs, hence New Age, neo-mysticism (e.g. quantum theory-based pseudoscientific mysticism) , quasi-religious cults, postmodernism (where power is god), self-help obsession (replete with truckloads of messiahs), extreme polarised political beliefs (e.g. fascism and communism)...

The often-quoted Cammaerts aphorism has been proved true:

When [people] choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything.

Something Nietzsche would have agreed with.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 13^th, 2022 at 7:41am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:09pm: How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be? If that’s an obscure reference to something you imagine to be a form of repressed religious sensibility you’re so far off track it would be funny if it wasn’t so absurdly presumptuous. Even the late Christopher Hitchens conceded that the religious instinct is ineradicable. The extinguishing of formal religious beliefs instantly spawns a myriad of crypto-religious beliefs, hence New Age, neo-mysticism (e.g. quantum theory-based pseudoscientific mysticism) , quasi-religious cults, postmodernism (where power is god), self-help obsession (replete with truckloads of messiahs), extreme polarised political beliefs (e.g. fascism and communism)... The often-quoted Cammaerts aphorism has been proved true: When [people] choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything. Something Nietzsche would have agreed with.

What a load of gibberish archaic crap. ::)

Jasin wrote on Mar 13^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 13th, 2022 at 7:41am: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:51pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:09pm: How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be? If that’s an obscure reference to something you imagine to be a form of repressed religious sensibility you’re so far off track it would be funny if it wasn’t so absurdly presumptuous. Even the late Christopher Hitchens conceded that the religious instinct is ineradicable. The extinguishing of formal religious beliefs instantly spawns a myriad of crypto-religious beliefs, hence New Age, neo-mysticism (e.g. quantum theory-based pseudoscientific mysticism) , quasi-religious cults, postmodernism (where power is god), self-help obsession (replete with truckloads of messiahs), extreme polarised political beliefs (e.g. fascism and communism)... The often-quoted Cammaerts aphorism has been proved true: When [people] choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything. Something Nietzsche would have agreed with. What a load of gibberish archaic crap. ::)

Your posts prove my point.

You think they're proving you have esoteric, mystical innsight. They're schizophrenic word salad similar to Chinese who don't speak English but trying to write English rap lyrics anyway.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 13^th, 2022 at 7:41am:

The often-quoted Cammaerts aphorism has been proved true: When [people] choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything. Something Nietzsche would have agreed with.

Indeed, and here we have in a few words the central threat to our species survival.

At this point I have to confess to a teenage alergy to Nietzsche I’ve never recovered from.
After struggling through Also Sprach Zarathustra I threw that tome at the wall.
His assertion it was not the content of a people’s beliefs that made them great so much as the actual practice of valuing still repulses me. If my reading of his central thesis means that our willingness is more important than the merit of our goals I suggest we are dealing with no more than amorality.

Saudi Arabia executes 81 people in a single day

Saudi Arabia has executed 81 men over the past 24 hours, including seven Yemenis and one Syrian national, on charges including “allegiance to foreign terrorist organisations” and holding “deviant beliefs”


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/12/saudi-arabia-executes-81-people-in-a-single-day


The Saudis are not the worst though, Iran is ... followed by Egypt and Iraq, then the Saudis. In 2020 Iran executed 244 . The Saudis executed 25 in the same year

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60722057 ... scroll down a little for the graph

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

Saudi Arabia executes 81 people in a single day Saudi Arabia has executed 81 men over the past 24 hours, including seven Yemenis and one Syrian national, on charges including “allegiance to foreign terrorist organisations” and holding “deviant beliefs” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/12/saudi-arabia-executes-81-people-in-a-single-day The Saudis are not the worst though, Iran is ... followed by Egypt and Iraq, then the Saudis. In 2020 Iran executed 244 . The Saudis executed 25 in the same year https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60722057 ... scroll down a little for the graph

I am not all together against capital punishment. Its a bit like taking the garbage out, someone has to do it. But with the case of Saudi executions, progressive multiculturalists are not very loud in their criticism as they would be if it was a European culture. That's the point. Our culture is better than theirs, but multiculturalists believe in cultural relativism."Everything is beautiful in its own way . . ." even chopping people's hands off for stealing.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:59pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:56pm: We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one. [/font][/size][/b] The claim of the ability to commune with the gods is found in all cultures and is as ancient as humanity. It may even have been a feature of pre-homosapiens species. So what ? How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be?

Apply logic to your thought processes and avoid the obvious ‘altered states’ promoted by organised religions etc for a start.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 7:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:09pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:59pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:56pm: We need to be on guard though against any body of religious dogma claiming it speaks for and on behalf of ’The Almighty’ . Few instances of human vanity equal this one. [/font][/size][/b] The claim of the ability to commune with the gods is found in all cultures and is as ancient as humanity. It may even have been a feature of pre-homosapiens species. So what ? How can you be on guard against something deeply innate that will surface no matter how much on your guard you can be? Apply logic to your thought processes and avoid the obvious ‘altered states’ promoted by organised religions etc for a start.

Instinctive action and need comes before logic.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 14^th, 2022 at 8:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 13th, 2022 at 7:41am: The often-quoted Cammaerts aphorism has been proved true: When [people] choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything. Something Nietzsche would have agreed with. Indeed, and here we have in a few words the central threat to our species survival. At this point I have to confess to a teenage alergy to Nietzsche I’ve never recovered from. After struggling through Also Sprach Zarathustra I threw that tome at the wall. His assertion it was not the content of a people’s beliefs that made them great so much as the actual practice of valuing still repulses me. If my reading of his central thesis means that our willingness is more important than the merit of our goals I suggest we are dealing with no more than amorality.

You should start on Nietzsche with Zarathustra.
Start with The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music. Belief and practice - mind and instinct - Apollo and Dionysos (road signs).

Daybreak, Human all too Human and The Gay (Joyful) Science are full of excellent aphorisms and very insightful reflections.

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.?

A very stupid, Bbwianesquely stupid, mindlessly hastie reflex response, to draw a supposed equivalence between today and 500 years ago. Very stupid, very usual.



https://thecampofthesaints.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/mywinningmohammadcontestdrawing-boschfawstin-x.jpg

Frank wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 3:13pm:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086

If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.?


[/quote]
A very stupid, Bbwianesquely stupid, mindlessly hastie reflex response, to draw a supposed equivalence between today and 500 years ago. Very stupid, very usual.
[/quote]
Where did you get ‘500 years’ from?

"Objectivity is a hypocrisy . . .which is sustained by the lie that truth stays in the middle. Sometimes truth stays on one side only."  Oriana Fallaci, 2003.

The Muslims refuse our culture and try to impose their culture on us. I reject them, and this is not only my duty toward my culture-it is toward my values, my principles, my civilization.

Oriana Fallaci

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 4:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 12:46pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 8:02am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 6:45am: Ten years in prison and 100 lashes for suggesting debate. Cultural relativism anyone? They all have the same value, right? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60714086 If you imagine Islam has an exclusive licence for this form of cruelty may I suggest you undertake a course in Comparative Religious Studies.? Well, this Islam thing is a modern day version of the Spanish inquisition, isn't it? That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. The term Catholic Country hasn’t the same meaning it often did. Instance, many nations with a majority Catholic population run secular governments. Allow the church to again be govern and the fires would be lit again. The Church of Rome is already enforcing it’s stance on abbortion in nations where is has sufficient power . Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile

"Christian Country" has no meaning from a religious perspective. In Islam, religion and state are inseparable.

Well - some ideas and ideologies are made to be insulted.... does 'em good to have to consider the validity of the tenets of their belief system.

Look at what we do to the Loonie Left and the Radical Right here... take the piss out of them until they blow steam from their ears and then give them the coup de grace.

"Grace!  You're on......"

https://c.tenor.com/xoCXxfI8lCUAAAAC/muscle-pro-wrestle.gif

"THIS Grace...  you're next...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10304400-3x2-700x467.jpg

Paludan and his weird minions must have the right to express their opinion that Islam is evil and those who feel offended must have the right to protest against them. And yes, burning objects counts as an expression of opinion. For decades, American warriors for freedom of speech have insisted on the right of people to burn the Stars and Stripes because, in the words of US civil libertarian Nadine Strossen, even “deeply unpopular (and) offensive” speech should be free speech. So Paludan should have the right to burn the Koran and others should have the right to say: “Don’t do this, please.”

But rioting? That’s something else entirely. This is violence deployed to the end of shushing blasphemous commentary. This is an unstable, incoherent species of Inquisition, in which a menacing message is being sent: offend my religious sensibilities, offend me, and we will visit destruction upon you. No nation that believes in liberty should cave in to such threats.

The true problem here is an unwillingness among the European intelligentsia and political class to stand up for freedom and to make it clear to all social groups that their feelings carry less moral weight than the principles of freedom. In fact, too often the elites do the opposite – they send the message that some forms of speech are so hurtful, so “erasing”, that they may be legitimately sidelined or squashed, whether it’s “transphobic” feminism, un-PC humour or mockery of Mohammed. This gives a green light to violent fury against allegedly “violent” speech.

Those riots in Sweden can be seen as a physical manifestation of woke sensibilities, of the regressive belief that certain people’s self-esteem should trump other people’s liberty to utter their ideas – a belief held as firmly by the cultural elites as by regressive religionists.

Brendan O’Neill
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/even-offensive-speech-must-trump-feelings/news-story/df422a51844599a592ad00ce8af81ce9

Telling the truth about Mohammed and Ismam is an insult of Mohammed and Islam


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUog5uEaUAAuKAH?.png


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others.

Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:56am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup

How long will it take for the unalterable, eternal, FINAL word of Allah to catch up with Christianity,  an essentially interpretive, dialogical, UNFOLDING religion?

Frank wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 10:56am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup How long will it take for the unalterable, eternal, FINAL word of Allah to catch up with Christianity,  an essentially interpretive, dialogical, UNFOLDING religion?

I don't know . It took Christianity 4000 years to get to this stage. I'd say Islam has a little while to go yet.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:56am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup

Society improved under Christianity pretty much from the beginning. 1400 years is a long time to be catching up, especially seeing as Muhammad was in a position to make the same improvements already achieved in Christian societies while he was still alive. Instead, he chose to make it worse. 1400 years later and they would still rather slaughter fellow Muslims than live under democracy.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Society improved under Christianity pretty much from the beginning.

tell that to all the people that were killed in it's name.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Frank wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:05am: John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 10:56am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup How long will it take for the unalterable, eternal, FINAL word of Allah to catch up with Christianity,  an essentially interpretive, dialogical, UNFOLDING religion? I don't know . It took Christianity 4000 years to get to this stage. I'd say Islam has a little while to go yet.

Huh?

Even if Christianity is Platonism for the masses, that's 1500 years out.


The point is that Islam and Christianity are essentially different, most importantly in the way they react to and interact with the secular word.  Islam is the unalterable, eternal, FINAL word of Allah while Christianity is interpretive, dialogical, UNFOLDING religion.

Christianity changes with the times, because it is principally about the living.  Islam always wants the times to conform to its unalterable 1400 year old dogmas because its sole concern is submission to those dogmas unquestioningly, always and everywhere.

The constitutions of seven American states ban atheists from holding public office.

A couple of them typify this:

North Carolina:  "The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First,
any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."

Arkansas: "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in
the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness
in any Court."

There are currently 16 states that have banned the burqa, including Tunisia, Austria, Denmark, France, Belgium, Tajikistan, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chad, the Republic of the Congo, Gabon, the Netherlands, China, Morocco, Sri Lanka and Switzerland.  

When is Australia going to follow suit?  Or are we too politically correct, and/or
driven by the SJWs?

Frank wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:31am:

... Christianity changes with the times, because it is principally about the living.  Islam always wants the times to conform to its unalterable 1400 year old dogmas because its sole concern is submission to those dogmas unquestioningly, always and everywhere.

I'm not sure I'd agree that Christianity changes with the times.  Belief
in supernatural entities and paranormal phenomena; beliefs in the power
of prayer, and miracles; crackers and wine the body and blood of Christ;
a belief in the existence of a heaven and a hell, and satanic forces; and
a real afterlife?

Hardly 21st century stuff LOL.

It is kind of hard to believe that a benevolent zombie would have the power to save other people from death, comas, sickness and impairment... but not be able to save himself.

What was Mohammed's favourite fruit?



Cherries.

Because real women were never satisfied by his rod and staff.

Boom tish!

I will be here all week.

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:31am: ... Christianity changes with the times, because it is principally about the living.  Islam always wants the times to conform to its unalterable 1400 year old dogmas because its sole concern is submission to those dogmas unquestioningly, always and everywhere. I'm not sure I'd agree that Christianity changes with the times.  Belief in supernatural entities and paranormal phenomena; beliefs in the power of prayer, and miracles; crackers and wine the body and blood of Christ; a belief in the existence of a heaven and a hell, and satanic forces; and a real afterlife? Hardly 21st century stuff LOL.

The core tenets of Christianity are entirely compatible with, and largely the foundation of, modern liberal values. Probably even more liberal. It need not change with the times.

Islam was basically an excuse for rape and pillage.