Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:11pm
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:10pm:
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Title: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Mar 31st, 2022 at 2:05pm
Staff shortages are getting the blame for this mistreatment:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/chemical-restraint-antipsychotic-drugs-widespread-in-aged-care/100950924 Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 31st, 2022 at 2:25pm
I think there is the danger of some serious underlying problems re 'who guards the guard' etc.... easy to become 'institutionalised' in these roles and adopt the attitude that you are dealing with nasty little stupid underling infants and similar. Happens with some in nursing etc as well.... they just start to act like a konzentrationslager guard...... fact of human nature.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Mar 31st, 2022 at 3:17pm
Aged Care
My definition ? The biggest political hot potato in Australian history. The Baby Boomer phenomenon was officially recognised for decades in population stats yet successive govts haven't been able to responsibly budget for when this age cohort would end up being an economic burden on the rest of the community. It's hardly the fault of baby boomers who were born and found themselves here. They had no say in any of that. Govts have a responsibility and a duty to provide protection for all its citizens especially those vulnerable. The Baby Boomers of Australia are right now...as I type....amongst the frail and aged in our community who need support (of the responsive and responsible variety). We who are of the next Generation ie Gen X and Gen Y .... are currently in positions of authority and trust. At some stage we will have to acknowledge that we have failed our Baby Boomer parents. And hang our heads in shame! The reason why I gave up my life for 2 whole years ( no one online knew I was alive ) was to care for my own baby boomer dying mum BECAUSE the brutal reality of AGED CARE was too cruel for me to bear. This next bit is going to be hard to type out as it always breaks my heart ....but I was advised by well meaning Case Managers about how bankrupt the system was and how long the waiting periods were before my mum could get a package sorted. I was told to accept the reality that baby boomers were dying while waiting in the queue. I was told baby boomers and even older folk were eventually found alone and ignored for years while waiting for support. And they were too sick and fragile by then for anything but hospice care. I won't continue with more heart breaking case studies. There's really no need to. In response to this I made the decision to put my life on hold and work 14 hr shifts caring for mum 7 days a week. My siblings split the rest of the shifts btwn them (they did not wish to give up their careers). The reality of these arrangements changed within a month. I ended up doing 14 hr shifts Monday to Friday and every hour of the weekend. My own family pulled together as much as they could ( I cooked for multi households so at least the cooking was easy to pick up and it was ready to go). The other thing I did was to do multi household washing loads on weekends (to alleviate the workload in my own family). So they would merely come over to pick up baskets of freshly washed and dried folded towels, tea towels and sheets on weekends which helped a lot I suppose. The main priority for me was keeping mum alive, well and happy IN HER OWN HOME surrounded by familiar people who could speak her languages and who understood her cultural heritage. The truth about what happened after 2 YEARS of working under such strain? • I almost lost my life driving back to my home one evening because I fell asleep at the wheel for a micro second. The car was a write off and I had to be cut out of the car to get out of it and be rushed to hospital (I was ok ...just had sore ribs and bruises and was in shock). • I almost lost my marriage. Yep. My marriage suffered. Things are ok now but I separated from my husband for a month. These 2 events were my wake up call. I was trying to bridge the gap btwn a FAILED AGED CARE system and a generation of Australians who through no fault of their own .... dared to be born and dared to grow old. The worst bit in all this is coming up now: I was finally spoken to by a certain regional Case Manager who I vented a lot of these issues to. This woman warned me. Yep she WARNED ME. Why? They were now finding that the children who were picking up the slack btwn govt underfunding and lack of care ...these children were dying before their frail and aged parents. I didn't understand how that could be. Well it turns out that the stress and next level exhaustion/burn out issues were behind heart attacks, accidents and even depression and suicide. We are talking CARERS! Marriage and relationship breakdowns had also become a significant recurring issue because the absent partner was effectively always on duty and/or on call elsewhere. The point I'm trying to make? Whenever our govts fail in any area of responsibility ... we the people will ultimately suffer terribly. And in some cases irreversibly. For every single aged and frail person who's been failed by our govt ... many other lives will end up bearing that initial unit of cost. Ultimately this means our society as a whole loses out. And that's not right! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:36am Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-election/100955290 Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by mothra on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:57am
The thing with antipsychotics is that in certain dosage in non-psychotic patients, they are excellent sedatives. That would be my guess as to why they are being prescribed for older people in care.
Think Seroquil for PTSD. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:00am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:36am:
Lets hope he gets in and the money actually does some good and isnt swallowed up by red tape Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ayn Marx on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:04am mothra wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:57am:
Certain dosage? I’ve observed residents on such a dosage being rendered totally catatonic, immobile, incontinent and unable to even talk. May I suggest you visit some of these facilities with open eyes? Maybe however you’re only concerned with the relationship between staffing levels and private facility owners profit margins ? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by mothra on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:07am Ayn Marx wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:04am:
Que? Edit: Oh i get it. You thought because i was explaining what antipsychotics are used in aged care, i was saying it was all bonza. Bit presumptuous of you, don't you think? The article i cited spoke of people being prescribed antipsychotics despite not being diagnosed with psychosis. I merely explained why they would be given such medication. And the thing about being hysterical is that you don't appreciate just how often, in the right treatment plan and the correct dosage, such medications would be highly beneficial because you have seen them abused ... and it certainly seems like they have been abused and heads should roll ... and therefore screech like a banshee at any mention of them is just not the medical standard we're striving for. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:36am:
No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie! There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that! No I've been advocating every which way I can through state and federal MP's to do something..anything about Aged Care. The problem with Aged Care isn't just about Aged Care anymore. Baby Boomers are coming through the Aged Care turnstiles every day in Australia and they're finding themselves stuck in ridiculous queues. Some are dying before their name comes up. And Lord help any Baby Boomer who has no children! Because right now it's the children ie Gen X and Gen Y who are in the firing line and are expected to drop everything and suddenly turn up and function as a fully qualified aged care worker who can work 14 hr daily shifts (with no break and no pay) 7 days a week. These Gen X/Gen Y kids are bridging the gap which is now more like a bottomless trench! Their health has been affected and their lives changed dramatically. Look I probably shouldn't have vented about my own personal battles in this area as I'm alive and even though I had a terrible car accident because of next level fatigue ... I didn't kill anyone nor did I die. Plus my marriage survived. But these risks were definitely there and I had no idea that others had divorced or had died whilst struggling to be unqualified and unpaid Aged Care Workers. There's something else I've not gone into: I've held back but it needs to be made known and people need to start advocating for money and help because of it. This isn't going to be easy to type out (as I've been on the receiving end of it). Aged parents who are being taken care of in home by their kids DO get frustrated/angry/confused/upset/overwhelmed by the changes in their daily routines as they see their children take on more and more of what they themselves once used to do. Eventually this tension breaks and they take it out on their kids by physically assaulting them. Some have been left bruised and stabbed and in shock because they understand why their parent is harming them but don't quite know what to do about it. There's nothing specifically out there for that type of abuse that can also cut through cultural taboos and boundaries. For me it was difficult to even talk about with my husband and I found myself covering my bruises and cuts by wearing long sleeved clothes and long hemmed skirts or jeans. I felt I was protecting my aged mum AND protecting my kids and husband from getting upset/angry if they were to see the raw reality of what full time aged caring was doing to me. So my silence was protecting everyone around me. Later I was told by experts in Aged Care Management...that people like me were doing the wrong thing because our silence wasn't informing the system of how bad things were getting. You can imagine my reaction to this : it was classic institutional victim blaming. At its best. The only way I could personally protect myself without saying anything to anyone I knew ... was to enlist the help of? Yep ... you got it! Our golden retriever! I started taking him with me every day. He loved being with me. And with mum too. She loved the therapy yes therapy this gorgeous being provided. Eventually I got the dog named in Mum's Care Plan as her official therapy dog and that dog took mum on little walks around the block and cuddled her unconditionally making her remember the love she had as a young mother towards her own little kids. The abuse stopped within a few days. I had no knives thrown at me or plate frisbees coming at me. No more sharp steel bladed garden rakes were chasing me about the backyard as I was trying to pick up all the clothes off the line. All that nonsense stopped. Things settled down and finally I got my mum back in a good space so I could continue caring for her 7 days a week doing my usual 14 hr shifts Monday to Friday and all weekends. I was thankful for that dog! It meant I didn't have to be scared about being assaulted anymore. Since then .... that dog and I have shared a special bond. And he knows why he gets a yummy freshly broiled chicken breast fillet cut up into bite sized pieces from me once a week too! Apologies for sharing stuff so awful. But I do hope the ending gives you all some insight into how much we ought to respect our pets and each other. Miss Mum 🥺i |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:11am
Well i dont have any children and i dread when i start to need a helping hand because i saw what they did to my mother in those places.
I have a friend who needed care (temporary care after getting out of hospital) and her kids refused. In their early 20s and dont want to give up their fun. I tried to help her out a bit but i was just out of 4 years of looking after mum 24/7. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by mothra on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:15am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:11am:
They are not all awful ... but far too many of them are. This is why we need legal euthanasia. Spare people's dignity. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:17am mothra wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:15am:
I saw a pretty good (govt run) one in qld about 10 years ago. Havent really seen a good one in canberra though. Covid showed their true colours. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:24am mothra wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:15am:
Yeah, I've heard some horror stories but I was very lucky with my Dad. He was looked after very well in his nursing home. And at the end they were very good with him, and even after he passed away they still treated him with dignity. Very short staffed though - I would quite often help out with meals and basic cleaning, as sometimes there were only a few people rostered on. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:47am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:11am:
So you clearly know what's going on. Because you too have been in the firing line. Not many speak up enough about it IMO. It's a hard topic to open up about I guess.... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Captain Nemo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:48am
Agree in principle with throwing money at aged care if it fixed the problems.
However, Albo's speech was pretty much vague waffle. The unions want a 25% pay rise and to staff every home with a registered nurse 24/7 would very quickly evaporate extra dosh. It is a huge problem but there wasn't any detail in Albo's stuff ... perhaps he will flesh it out during the election campaign. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:52am Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:48am:
He won't be able to flesh out anything re where he's going to find the money given the context of a devastated Covid19 economy. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:52am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:27am:
So you're just assuming it's not funded? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:14am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:52am:
No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded. It's nothing more than unsubstantiated pipe dream BS. You'd have to be seriously stupid and naive to believe what Albo has "promised". In fact Albo has since suffered a lot of criticism for bringing in the big elephant in the room and pretending it isn't there. MONEY where is it coming from? He himself doesn't know. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by whiteknight on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:23am
Yet on the the other hand what about the stage 3 tax cuts?. If we got rid of those how much money, would that be that go go towards aged care?. :(
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by mothra on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:25am
There is and there always will be plenty of money. It's just that it's so badly handled.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:41am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:14am:
So you've seen Labor's costings then? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:29pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:41am:
They don't exist therefore the answer is no. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:35pm whiteknight wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:23am:
It's not just a matter of taking money from 1 account and transferring that amount to another. Those simple budgeting rules/practices apply to households not a country's bloody economy! Do you realise that if you stopped tax cuts then that would reduce spending and cause other more serious issues for the economy? Note : Don't get me wrong ... I'm all FOR aged care funding! Read back. My posts tell the tragic story of what aged care lack of funding actually looks like at grass roots level. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:37pm mothra wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:25am:
Could everyone please take a second to read this? This is exactly how my children used to think. Then they turned 5 years old. I think I'll just leave it at that. I've already pwned her @rse enough times both last night and this morning. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:40pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:29pm:
Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for? Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more? In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home. But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know". |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:49pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:40pm:
FMD! No .... I said in very plain English that these costings DO NOT EXIST. What part of that didn't you comprehend? Do you follow the media at all? If you had instead of just trolling like the multi dhead you are ... then you would have known that Albo took a beating over the fact that his pledges are mere unsubstantiated empty promises BECAUSE that are UNCOSTED! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:50pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:40pm:
Nailed it! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:50pm:
Nailed what? His ignorant BS straight back into its coffin? Oh wait I did that! FMD the lefties on this forum are getting dumber by the hour! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:53pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:49pm:
Here dumbo! Read that for a clue! https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/anthony-albanese-outlines-labors-25bn-boost-to-agedcare/newsstory/efcea513f45a3315ce618458a16f020a |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Aussie on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:54pm mothra wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:25am:
No amount of money is gonna suddenly produce thousands of registered nurses to achieve what is suggested. They simply do not exist. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:57pm Aussie wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:54pm:
Duh! The conversation one has with a 5 yr old! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:58pm Aussie wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:54pm:
He only said there would be a registered nurse there 24/7 - rest of staff can be normal aged care nurses. Also if pay goes up they will apply IMO. Only reason for staff shortage is they all quit. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:59pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:53pm:
After that Dumbo .... read this : https://www.michaelwest.com.au/albo-stops-additional-support-for-aged-care-till-after-election/ |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:08pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:49pm:
The part where you actually said, Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:14am:
That's very different to "costings do not exist". If that's what you meant, then say that. But again, the costings may exist, they've just not been released. By that logic we could say the Liberal Party have no policies to take to the election because they've not released them yet. There's no need to get so triggered, just say what you actually mean... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:10pm
FMD just when I was hoping for change in the aged care portfolio..... everywhere I look all I see is Albo being hammered for being so hopeless!
Here's another typical article on Albo's election reply. Time is up for Labor’s game of ‘ducks and drakes’ as the public want ‘substance’ 20 hours ago Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese tonight will either choose to “play another game of snap” with the government on policy or decide to “man up” and deliver a real alternative in his budget reply, according to Sky News host Chris Smith. Albanese has had no economic experience in either government or opposition, but he’s been very good as we know at personality politics; that won’t cut it tonight; Albanese can’t hide anymore,” Mr Smith said. “No more snap; the public deserves some substance from Labor given their pole position in this race for government. “This small target approach simply has no guts; it’s got no glory; it doesn’t replace true policy to fix short term problems and devise strategies for medium to long term benefit. In all honesty I can't see Labor winning this election. Not with this guy as its captain. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:11pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:10pm:
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:13pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:10pm:
Lol ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:16pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:59pm:
I can't defend the move. Best case scenario there will be 6+ weeks without the additional support. That's not good. But you're attempting to hold Labor to a much higher standard than you would the Liberal Party. Do you want to just gloss over that or shall we start to analyse some of their moves in the same way? Fair is fair right? Or will you take that personally too? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:19pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:10pm:
Scomo can't even meet with people without it being drastically stage-managed and controlled because the people are sick of his excuses and inaction. Albo walked around with Carl from 60 minutes just the two of them, willing to talk to whoever wanted to. One is afraid of the people and the other isn't. That's more telling than you'll ever admit. You may be in for a rude shock once the votes are counted. But please, please, don't be one of those tards who'll claim election fraud because your guy didn't win, if it plays out like that. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:22pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:16pm:
You want to rumble with me? Sure! But before I do that make sure your army of multi trolls are ready to support you ok? I'm happy to take the lot of you on. But I don't have all afternoon like you and your fellow unemployed cyber troll mates do ok? Deal? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:13pm:
Why would a fat old cyber junkie long term unemployed multi troll like Groggy laugh at a successful young journalist going places? Anyone know? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:26pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:24pm:
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:30pm
Groggy is putting up a picture if his mole METHra once again.....
He'll implode eventually. He always does 😂🤣😆 |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:39pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:22pm:
Jeez you're so dramatic... I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. The full platforms of the majors aren't out yet, and when it comes to the Senate, I don't know how to preference all the minors below the line for the same reason. I like to talk about these policy platforms with those who clearly are on a different part of the political spectrum than I am because it's the best way to get other points of view in these algorithm-fed times. I may think that a transition away from coal mining into renewable fueled mineral refinement is not only a great way to reduce emissions without totally destroying the mining industry, it brings back those refinement jobs from China, increases our self-sufficiency, will results in lower prices for the materials such as Aluminium smelted locally and actually increasing GDP in the process is a great idea, but other might not and I'd like to know why. (For the record, I don't know if any of the majors have adopted this policy, yet) I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm just a straight shooter and will question things that don't make sense to me, like how you could "know" something you've just admitted is impossible to know about Labor's funding when you don't seem to care about how the incumbents will fund anything. It puts what you say and your point of view into perspective, that is, you've already decided who you're voting for either purely based on political ideology, or at best which leader of the parties annoys you the least. So when it comes to weighting the take on things you put forward, I can at least properly weight that. I won't lie, I'm very unlikely to vote for the Liberal candidate in my electorate or preference them first in the Senate, but I still don't know who I'm going to vote "for", if anyone. It may be, as has been the case for the last few elections, voting in reverse, to keep the crazy people out and the least objectionable option in the 1st pick. I look forward to more policy detail from both majors coming out. But it will be interesting to see how much politicing you attack Labor for, and how much you'll inevitably forgive from the Libs. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:42pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:30pm:
How did the sewer election go Lisa? Who came last? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:46pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:24pm:
"journalist" ;D Sky "News" ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:48pm
Is this a joke?
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:52pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:39pm:
1. I don't forgive people easily these days. 2. As regards Aged Care though .... I'm more than happy to debate you on how utterly despicable and unworkable Albo's Election uncosted and vague reply was. If indeed you agree with me then there's nothing to debate. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:53pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 9:52am:
That's a post I'd like you to read and take note of Kanga. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:46pm:
No I said he was a successful young journalist going places. Whereas you Groggy and your aliases which you desperately need for online back up support well you're just an unhinged old fat barge arsed multi cyber junkie unemployed troll. 😂🤣😆 |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:55pm
Lisa must be nearly due to enter aged care? shes showing all the signs of dementia...
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 3:00pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:19pm:
You don't seem all too confident. You're struggling to. But you're not confident and if I were you I wouldn't be all too confident either. Albanese has had no economic experience in either government or opposition. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 3:09pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 3:00pm:
Scummo trashed the whole economy and you lick his arse everyday. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 5:50pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 2:52pm:
If you care about aged care, there is plenty to debate, especially if you don't forgive easily. How many years has the Liberal Government had the chance to fix the problem? 9ish? The Royal Commission into ages care was scathing at what the Liberals and the Morrison Government had done in terms of aged care during their terms, but we're to direct that anger at Labor? Really? You already forgave Morrison, in the age of "I don't forgive easily" and you're angry at the Opposition, who aren't even in power and haven't been for the last 9+ years? Come on... Have we forgotten when Mr Morrison was Treasurer, he took $1.2 billion from aged care in the 2016-17 budget? And what about Morrison's response, how many of the recommendations from the findings of the Royal Commission has he actually adopted with his policy announcement via the budget? How can you possibly forgive this so easily after all the outrage you've displayed?! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 5:59pm
Does everyone remember seeing on TV -
people in aged care getting baked beans on toast for Xmas dinner? Also - those aged care places are not cheap. People have to sell their houses to get a place and then they get ripped off. The owners of aged care homes must be getting very rich from the suffering of their customers. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:00pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
While ever the 'privatised' profit model style operates, corners will always be cut and those inhabitants of the gulag/konzentrationslager will always receive bare subistence. Back in the 1970's I was courting a girl whose mother owned a nursing home - the lass was a nurse - and that nursing home was later 'outed' as a total disaster financially and care wise. My ex, the one I'm carer for now, may end up in one soon - I have already laid down the law to her kids that they WILL visit every weekend and keep a close eye on things... if they don't I will haunt them and take their inheritance. 8-) Raise the question any time you want:- How can one human being do such things to another? Look around you.......... in war it is only the very easiest thing to do at times.... but the basic predisposition is already there in human nature, someone said about the Korean War when it came to US soldiers shooting at farmers - there is nothing so brutal as the American boy - git some... git some........ **coughs** I guess your best examples would be in primitive societies in the way they treat one another.................... (bait laid) ........... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:04pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Baked beans on toast is a relatively healthy meal. My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:06pm
Relative to what? Football's on...
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:13pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:06pm:
Well, beans are healthy, but a tin of baked beans contains sugar and salt. Toast is good, but white bread is not so good - better than a sausage though. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:14pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:00pm:
Step right up and sign up for baked beans on toast! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:04pm:
I'm sure he enjoys his baked beans on toast. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:17pm
I think we can all agree how completely buggered aged care for profit is...
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:19pm
Anytime someone is asked to provide care for profit, the care suffers.
Just ask some of the privatised homes for homeless kids how much care they offer |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:19pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:13pm:
Take two sugar-laden jelly beans.... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:20pm John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:19pm:
You may take two sugar-coated jelly beans as well... good comment. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:22pm
Christmas meal 'slop' prompts outrage
after being served to Adelaide nursing home residents By Daniel Keane, staff Posted Thu 26 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-26/nursing-home-condemned-for-christmas-mash-and-baked-beans/11827694 Xmas_dinner_at_nursing_home.jpg (170 KB | 0
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ayn Marx on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:24pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:22pm:
Ah, the wondrous benefits of privatisation ! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:34pm Ayn Marx wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Is that what Greggy's father will get for $404,000 ? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:35pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:34pm:
As Greg has mentioned several times, his father passed away last month. At least pretend to have a little civility you idiot. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:40pm John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:35pm:
Greggy said Quote:
He should have said 'My late father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.' |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:29pm John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:19pm:
This is a fundamental flaw with the notion of privatisation. "The public sector can do it better" is rarely true, especially if your priority is the service they deliver. They prioritise profits, and that comes at the cost of service. But we have these people who support change and want better outcome for those in aged care, but they're unwilling, just like the whole big pharma conspiracy, to support the action that is needed to actually resolve it and instead lay the blame at the feet of the wrong people, that just happens to align with their political ideology. But at least they're concerned about aged care. It's a start I suppose. At least they're on the right side of the issue even if they're angry at the wrong people and calling for wrong fix. Will be interesting to see if they return to the thread or not. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:49pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 8:29pm:
They are incapable of looking at what their ideology will do long term. The proponents of free markets wanted free trade agreements with everyone, are now the same people crying that we trade with China to much or that we produce nothing here. Those that cry about govt. spending on health care are the first to complain then when they have to pay tens of thousands to go to hospital for an emergency.They wanted war on Saddam but cry when the extremists he kept in check run rampant. It's the same story over and over again. For some reason long term thinking isn't in their DNA |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:04pm:
That's cheap! Those figures just don't exist in Sydney. A real cheap style facility is around $750 grand plus. The one we were looking at was $1.2 million. Why? 1. It was beautifully presented 2. More importantly the staff to patient ratios were decent. <--- In fact that's where the real cost was. Mum passed so that sorted that out. Edit : The $$$ that's required is absolutely ungodly IMO. Don't forget that these aged care facilities also grab their patient's Centrelink benefits too. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:09pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:22pm:
Dear Lord I'm going to start crying 😢 Those poor sods! That's not a meal! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:53pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:00pm:
Not so - the actual proportion of 'talent' to production costs on a movie is very small... it isn't the coal face staff that costs - it is the overheads in overpaid infrastructure - 'ceo' and senior management and over-inflated supervisors who do Pharkall for their money. I once worked with a company that had (count them) sixty 'management' staff to 120 coal face workers without having to even provide transport and meals etc ....... how would an Infantry company go like that? The company died - the 'national manager' went on to do a degree in 'logistics' then to form his own company that lasted all of two years... his wildest imaginations of B Doubles traversing the national highways bearing his logo went to dust..... along with every poor arsehole who ever worked under his piss poor management. Let's face it - gate guard Corporals in the RAAF do not make good managers.... we had ex Army, Navy and Air Force officers working there..... some Veterans - NONE got a chance to actually run the operation..... all were driven out or left to suit this clown's ego. He harmed many good people..... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:04pm:
the place my father was in cost 250k plus 2500 a week. Meals were pretty much baked beans on toast. This was 15 years ago - it would be more now. Mum couldnt get into a permanent one because she didnt have a house to give them. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 6:18am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:18am:
$2,500 per week sounds an awful lot. My Dad's was only $370 per week. The food there was pretty good - every Friday they had fish and chips, and it was as good as any meal you'd find at a decent pub. On Sundays they had roast beef, pork, or chicken. They always had dessert too - cheesecake, fruit and ice cream, etc. Currently, in WA, you can still get a full-time place in a nursing home even if you have no house and can't pay the $400,000 - they just take 85% of the pension. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 6:44am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:09pm:
Hi Lisa, that's not just a meal - that's Xmas dinner at an Australian nursing home. The question is - Will a Labor Govt. stop this? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 7:12am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 10:00pm:
How much does it cost to house you in the mental hospital? Lie some more Lisa. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 10:29am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 6:18am:
It was in sydney in some posh suburb - st ives i think. they gave him same old crap to eat but called it fancy names eg custard was 'parfait'.. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 10:31am
cant edit my post - meant to say also it was private - he had money
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by mothra on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 11:36am Aussie wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 1:54pm:
Of course it would! Incentivising people to train to be nurses is easy. We need to pay and support them better for a start. In any event, most of the workers in aged care homes don't need to be nurses, more carers. The government tried to fix this by hassling people on benefits into doing carer courses in fear of losing said benefits. Then they paid them sweet FA to do the job they were poorly r=trained to do and certainly not necessarily ideally matched to do. They were then paid a pittance to do it anyway. The upshot was that badly matched people were used as a stop-gap instead of addressing the problem ... which is it is a poo job that pays terribly and expects great amounts from workers. You fix that, you fix the problem. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 11:36am
Having done a single 8-hour shift at a nursing home, I have seen for myself what the aged care residents have for their meals. But, what does get recorded in my memory, even after 3 years later, was the fact that the elderly residents do not finish their meals most of the time. Some residents clean their plate of the meals. A few pick at their meals. And many get through about half their meal. This, given that the meals are not loaded with food on the plate, leaves me with the impression that aged care facilities only provide the residents with what they can eat, without wasting too much food.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 11:46am mothra wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 11:36am:
Easier said than done. I had a 3 week practical to complete for me to become a qualified AIN. I did ONE 8-hour shift. That meant I was to be at the aged care facility by 6am in the morning. I had an hour's meal break at 11. I was gone by 3pm. I phoned the training centre and said that I was not going to be back for the rest of the practical. Keep in mind that I was suffering insomnia and was accustomed to getting up after 9am in the morning, I was also suffering a day where I only had 3 hours sleep the night before. I was not going to get 10 hours sleep that night, get up at 4 or 5 in the morning and be ready for another 9 hours at a place that I thought I could do better. I had to work my paid work shifts as well. So, I was not going to get home at 3 and be at work at 5 after having 6 hours sleep (as much as that is adequate to me these days). If you can find young people willing to take on positions as aged care assistants, you are doing well. We had about 25 students doing the theory side of the training at the start. By the time the practical came around, we were down to 10 students. $59,000 per year for a band 1 AIN is alright money. But, there are jobs out there that would be more suited to some of the students I saw there. And we can pick our jobs for better money in today's economic climate. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 11:52am Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2022 at 7:40pm:
Why? Because you're an idiot? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:06pm
Here's a good article with plenty of pictures of aged care food:
Would you eat this? The real food inside aged care facilities in Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:29pm
That is acceptable food, Bobby.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:31pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:29pm:
Are you joking? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:36pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Those are pureed meals. Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia. Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more. Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration. For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together. When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example. From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture. The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty. I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed. They were fine. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:36pm:
Don't make excuses for them Greg, they give that crap to everyone - whether they have Dysphagia or not. Will Albanese fix it? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:44pm
I think it's important we don't lose sight of the very real issues with aged care, we don't need to misrepresent individual meals etc to prove there are problems.
I've only read the executive summary and the recommendations of the Royal Commission into aged care, but it details some horrific conditions and the time and money has been spent in identifying what needs to happen to improve them. I don't mean to just target you Bobby, but I would recommend you stop googling photos of food at aged care and read that report. There is a lot to be concerned about. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:59pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:44pm:
I know - like the bed sores and the maggots in people's wounds. The providers should be in jail but are any sent there? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:10pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:59pm:
My father had a special mattress that rippled all the time in order to prevent bed sores. An alternating pressure air mattress (?) Was pretty cool. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:20pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:31pm:
No, serious. Do you realise how well I eat? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:25pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Obviously not very well - what could be worse that that crap? dog turds and cats piss? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:32pm
What are you expecting? 3-course meals with a glass of wine? Blue ribbon ice cream?
If you are expecting rib fillet steaks or savoury meals for people that probably have a full belly for the next 6 hours, you really have no idea about aged care. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:39pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:32pm:
You're welcome to it - here you go: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:57pm
Bobby, you are a straight out idiot.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:59pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:57pm:
I post the truth without fear or permission. There are those like you who would like to shoot the messenger. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:12pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:59pm:
Interesting that everyone calls you an idiot. any idea why? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:29pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:59pm:
Unless you or someone you know are in the aged care residency, you have little to do with some hearsay accusations. If you are living in aged care, you have the right to the complaints process through the Age Care Act of 1997: Quote:
Source: https://www.agedcarequality.gov.au/making-complaint/complaints-process There is not much point for an outsider to the aged care system blathering about what they think is going on at a facility. I did one day at the facility. And even though I was an assistant for one 8-hour shift, I saw not one resident complain about the meals that they were provided at breakfast and lunch. I was gone by 3pm that day. Now, at worst, I could only guess that a complaint about the food would be that the meals are not cooked or it went cold whilst they chatted to their neighbour in the meal room. However, if the meals were genuinely substandard, it is not reasonable to think that 50 to 100 residents would not raise a complaint to the staff. And it would not be reasonable to think that a family member or friend that visits the facility would not raise concerns about the quality of food. I was with a couple of AINs at the residence I was helping assist. The two ladies told me that they had developed a rapport with the residents at the care facility. And even the AINs body language showed me that they treated the residents like they were their own family. I would not accuse the AINs of treating the residents below acceptable standards -- not by a long shot. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:37pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:29pm:
I went to 2 aged care facilities and the people were hardly touching the horrible food. They just sort of picked at it - maybe eat a bit of this and a bit of that but not the whole lousy meal. I hope I die before I end up in one of those places. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:48pm
If... it... is... that... bad... for the food/meals, they can organise to change the menu. Never have a certain meal again. You are confusing a resident's inability to eat an entire meal with someone who is refusing to eat an entire meal because of what you are alleging is a poor quality meal.
Supervisors, staff, residents, and visitors. These people have the ability to make their own assessments and bring up the issue of needing better quality food for the residents. But, ultimately, the residents are the ones eating the meals. If they want something different, they can raise the concerns to the staff. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 6:50pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:59pm:
There needs to be some accountability for this, surely there has been!? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 7:15pm Jim Lahey wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:12pm:
Can I answer that? ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by John Smith on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 7:18pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 4:37pm:
You know that the older you get the less you eat, right? It's not like they burn a lot of energy watching reruns off dads army. My grandparents once they got past 70yrs of age ate very little. I recall my grandfather would often have have one quail for dinner with a forkfull of salad. You get more meat with one chicken drumstick. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:57am
I was lucky that my 95-year-old grandfather was able to stay at home until a few months before his death.
In his local council in Victoria, there were lots of services at that level aimed at keeping people who can look after themselves, with assistance, in their own homes. His Chemist would manage all his scripts, create custom blister packs each week that was delivered to his house. The council paid for people to help him shower, clean the house etc. When I visited him last before COVID hit, I was trying to get him some Chinese food from the place that he's been going to for 50 years but since giving up driving hasn't been able to have much of, still owned by the same family although a few generations down, but they were closed for Chinese New Years. When they reopened just before our lockdowns, I'd helped their son set them up on Uber Eats and Deliveroo so I could have the dinner sent to him. His neighbours were great. He was always so helpful to all the new residents that they would all pitch in, he was everyone's grandfather, not just mine. They'd help with his Bins, around the house and garden etc, all the things I would have done if I lived in the same state. I mention all of this because the alternative was entering him into the aged care system which was unacceptable. Sadly both my parents passed away before they reached 65, I hate cancer, I'm the only one left of my kin, other than my own family. But that doesn't make what happens in Aged Care any less important to me. I can't help but think what is this was my Pa. If there ends up being a bidding war between the two parties, so long as they keep their promises and deliver AND it actually helps improve things, that will at least be something... The problem is his supporters often complain about medicare, elderly people seeing the doctor too often etc. It seems like they've been advocating for all of the changes that have led to this outcome and now pretend to be outraged and want to point fingers elsewhere. The problems will never be resolved until the Government stands up and take responsibility. It seems like that's only ever a thing expected of a Labor Government. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by aquascoot on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:17am
There is no chance that the aged care system is going to cope
The number of people over the age of 80 is set to quadruple in the next 15 years And people no longer look after their health They think it is perfectly acceptable to become fat To sit on the couch and not exercise It's almost impossible to go anywhere without being run over by some fatty on a scooter And society is normalising obesity To the point where calling someone fat will get you an instant ban on social media If you quadruple the number of people needing nursing home care Just threw population demographics And then you throw in the vast majority of them being overweight You are going to need a literal army of people to lift them on and off the bed in and out of the shower No one will want to do it The cost will be exorbitant What I expect to happen is that the family home will have to be surrendered to the government Upon entry to a nursing home As this is the only way this unbelievable expense will be able to be met And a very heavy person at home will also not be able to be looked after by their relatives If people really wanted to do something to help with the aged care crisis they would work on their own health nutrition and physical fitness Of course they won't The rate of weight increase during the covid lockdowns in Australia doubled We are getting fatter not fitter |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ayn Marx on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:19am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:57am:
Expecting today’s Labour Party to remove private providers from this industry is wishful thinking. Only a Greens/independent coalition would dare make such a move but given the Australian electorate’s retarded thinking that’s not going to happen. This could be one of my last posts. An encounter with one of this forums autocratic moderators will probably soon get me banned. Won’t go into any details apart from suggesting giving individual moderators exclusive control of their particular topics without anything like collective responsibility to each other has always been a self destructive recipe for any public forum. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:30am
Aged Care needs a LOT of money to fix. The Labor Government through Albo is making Australia BELIEVE THE LIE that they will do this.
The reality is this : 1. Labor is not only lying to Australians (believe you me that is a big red flag for me just there 🚩) 2. Labor does not know where the money it says it will throw at Aged Care will be coming from. (Another red flag 🚩 ) 3. The money which Labor is pledging to throw into Aged Care is not going to achieve anything. It will not put a dent into the Aged care issues facing Australia. 4. And what gets me very angry 😠 is this : Labor must think Australians are all uneducated buffoons who don't have access to MSM. Well we are educated and yes we do quietly read AND TAKE NOTE of what we read. I guess my pain point is that when I chat to Labor supporters they either can't see or they don't want to believe/accept the brutal reality that their party is taking them down the garden path into la la land. And that's after they're shown left wing articles which hit hard at the lies which Labor thinks it is able to hoodwink gullible Australians with. I personally don't enjoy seeing vulnerable people used and abused like this. The mind games being played by Labor are tantamount to toxic abuse. The Liberal Party is no better. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:32am Ayn Marx wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:19am:
Just keep posting. I personally would like to read more of your posts. I may not agree with much of what you say but I sure like reading about how you view the world. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:49am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:30am:
If you chat to Labor supporters as you have above, where you simply make unfounded claims, they're not going to simply believe you as you've got no credibility so it's no wonder you have the experience you do. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:54am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:49am:
You might want to read my post again. After that you might want to edit your post. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:55am
Larry is only interested in getting attention, not in debating.
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:59am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:54am:
I'll be back later to see what you've got. In the interim you know where I am. That's right .... I'm over at OzPol's sister site PA organising the sacking of delusional Drunk Darwin Monk as self imposed Himmler. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 4th, 2022 at 10:46am
We can't discount the fact that we've got an election coming, it will be announced any second now, and at least on this subject, the two majors are putting forward their plans to work towards resolving the issues in the aged care sector.
As Scoot and others have alluded to, this can't be fixed overnight, it can't even be fixed in a single term. Right off the starting blocks, the Libs are running the show for the last 9 years so the mess we're in now has their fingerprints all over it. Is that enough to simply assume that Labor will do a better job? No, not at all. So first, since it's clear not many people haven't read even the summary of the findings from the Royal Commission into aged care, we should start there. The full report can be found here, and the list of recommendations here, but below is a list of the main takeaways: Quote:
That is a monumental task. But more importantly, many of the above have been chipped away by the current Government in their most recent terms. There is no escaping that it will take money, and lots of it, to fix the problem. It will take stronger regulation which ultimately means less profit for the private providers as they'll be held to greater scrutiny and accountability levels. It would also involve working with Unions to help improve conditions for staff which ultimately means better outcomes for those in care. So, better training for staff, higher staffing levels, better pay, more money spent on the facilities, and an overhaul to the system from a legislative point of view to be being rights-based for those in care. Every single one of those points is counter to the traditional Liberal-Conservative ideology, and their track record on all of these points, even from expanding the low-skilled migration numbers to further push down wages and standard of care of their last few terms. We can't look to Labor in what they've done from opposition over the last 9 years since they've had zero power during this time, but all we can do is look at their plan that was mentioned at a very upper level during the budget reply, which included them forcing every aged care facility to have a registered nurse on-site at all hours, hire more carers, set higher standards for meals and fully fund a boost for workers through an appeal to the Fair Work Commission to set higher wages. It's just a start, once the election has been called I look forward to their fully fleshed out policies (both sides) so we can see not only what steps they'll take, but their timelines and funding. But so far the Liberal's record and fingerprints all over the current mess puts them at a disadvantage, even though the faithful will still claim Labor are the liars... It's too early to put my support being either plan, but I know one is certainly closer to the RC recommendations than the other. More regulation, higher wages, working with unions, an admission the private sector has failed, it doesn't sound very "Liberal" to me. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 4th, 2022 at 10:55am
And speaking of the Libs record, let's not forget they've had 3 terms to fix this, but the situation has got worse under their leadership, term after term.
The Royal Commission into aged care was scathing at what the Liberals and the Morrison Government had done in terms of aged care during their terms, but we're to direct that anger at Labor? Really? Let's also not forget that we're to trust Scott Morrison to fix aged care when he as Treasurer took $1.2 billion from aged care in the 2016-17 budget. It's easy to claim Labor are liars, but it's not so easy to erase the history of the Liberal Government and Scott Morrison's record on aged care. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 4th, 2022 at 11:22am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 10:55am:
I quite "like" this post of yours. For 2 main reasons : 1. You referred to a federal budget which was delivered SIX YEARS ago. 🚩 for me. You concentrated on money 💰 which is good because THAT is what interests me. And what really matters here anyway. (Just a heads up ... I smell desperation already given the time period that has elapsed since 2016 and that's a serious turn off for me). 2. You referred to a certain Royal Commission. But in very vague terms. 🚩 for me. (Just a heads up ... you will need to read through the findings of that particular Royal Commission. Once you do that you might discover something quite embarrassing about LABOR and yes ... once again it ties back in with 1. Money 💰 I'll come back later to see what you've got. Edit : If you sense that I'm marking your work ... I'm sorry but that's how I critique everything. And it's probably a residual "thang" from my days as a high school maths teacher (I got out of it and jumped into HR which I found more challenging and far safer plus it paid far better money). |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 4th, 2022 at 11:53am aquascoot wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 9:17am:
This is already what normally happens - thanks to howard Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 4th, 2022 at 11:54am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 11:22am:
So we're not to learn from history then? We can't hold those in power responsible for their actions at all, or is there a statute of limitations you're operating under? Give me a window I'm allowed to work within then. You claim to also be an advocate again domestic violence, do you operate the same way? Ignore what the abuser did so long as it was long enough in the past and look to them to fix the results of their abuse? It's such an asinine take I can't even refer to it as "logic"... Quote:
I'm not going to analyse the entire report's findings simply because you don't like the summary. But let's talk about red flags. I've laid out the evidence and provided links for you to read more, should you so choose. You've attempted to distract from that in order to avoid scrutiny while providing not even a single shred of evidence, the best you can come up with is, Quote:
By the guidelines you set out above, if we can't point back to the money spent, or in this case cut from aged care when Morrison was treasurer, how can we possibly go back to before the Coalition was even in Government to an even earlier point in time and point the finger at Labor? What the actual bugger!? You can't have it both ways. You're being, dare I say it, disingenuous as always. It's a stupid saying because I like cake, but, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Your desperation to avoid an actual discussion is leading to multiple self-inflicted gunshot wounds to your feet. There are so many red flags in how you respond to information you do not like that it's clear you are not operating in good faith because you just want to be right. You don't appear to care about what is true and what isn't, all that matters is whatever you believe, that's what's right. You're reframing the rules of engagement to suit yourself, then throwing them out the window to try and dismiss different points? Are you for real? Quote:
Do you not age or something? You've apparently got a double degree, went to law school, was also a high school Maths teacher and a stay-at-home mum? Here's some advice from my D&D days many many decades ago. Make detailed notes on your character sheet and don't lose it. Don't make things up on the fly because it will often bite you in the ass later in the campaign. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by aquascoot on Apr 4th, 2022 at 12:08pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 11:53am:
at the moment that money is held as a bond and returned to the estate when the person passes on. thats probably not sustainable. in the future, that bond will probably need to be surrendered to the system. nursing home care is incredibly expensive. way more then what the pension is worth. with a quadrupling of the over 80's most children not willing to take on an elderly parent modern medicine keeping everyone alive despite multiple co-morbidities the only way the system can even hope to cope is a MASSIVE co- contribution. there are not enough taxpayers left to pay for all the cradle to grave entitlements people expect. child care, free education, welfare, NDIS, the pension etc etc the books are nowhere near balanced and the only real asset the government can plunder is super and real estate. these are overwhelmingly held by the older generations and they will be demolished to pay for the entitlements people have come to feel they are entiteld to. where else will the cash come from? white knight thinks it grows on trees. and its certainly not coming out of scomos or albos back pocket |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 4th, 2022 at 12:12pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 12:08pm:
There used to be enough money back when the govt had the profits from the post office, railways, etc etc Also most of those over 80s have multiple grandchildren paying taxes Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by aquascoot on Apr 4th, 2022 at 12:30pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 12:12pm:
those days are gone. a trillion in debt cradle to grave safety net. its going to cost a fortune to care for the elderly and it has to come from somewhere and lets face it, the younger generation dont have any assets , so it will have to be 'user pays'. i think it will encourage children to make an assessment on whether they want an inheritance. if you look after mum and dad til death, you get to keep the proceeds of their house. if you want scomo and albo to do it, THEY get to keep the proceeds of their house. i'd be fairly sure that will be the wash up |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 4th, 2022 at 7:57pm
.. the senior stallion has no need of aged care ... his place in the paddock was established long ago.... a little nip on the arse and some frisky young stud is put right in his place...... heeeeeey - keep your hands of my grass there....
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:09pm
Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?
It's delicious and nutritious. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:16pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:44pm:
No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit. I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals. Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals. You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies. Your trolling is starting to become unbearable. Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:19pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:16pm:
I have been to nursing homes twice and seen the food. Are you calling me a liar? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:21pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
I'm calling you a childish idiot who posts lies on the internet. Yes - I'm calling you a liar. You are a liar, Bobby. You lie. You peddle bullshit. I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals. Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:21pm:
Well - there are 2 possibilities: (1) you went to a high quality expensive home. (2) you have very low expectations of food due to a life of poverty. Are you also calling the ABC liars? : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:28pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:25pm:
My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area. I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him. Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:31pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:28pm:
All I did was link a story from the ABC - stop shooting the messenger - you prick. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:32pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:31pm:
And you lied about what it said. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:32pm:
Would any of you like some aged care food tonight? It's delicious and nutritious. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:36pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:34pm:
Your photos showed pureed meals. Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia. Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more. Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration. For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together. When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example. From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture. The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty. I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed. They were fine. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:15am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
My mother had disphagia (kind of). She only couldnt swallow in the mornings. Throughout the day she was okay. The nursing home wanted to catagorise her and mum refused to eat the mashed stuff and instead ate peanuts she had in her bedside drawer. In the mornings though they put something in her coffee to make it thicker so she could swallow it. Of course several times when i was looking after her she would eat the peanuts in the morning and i would have to do stuff to stop her choking. She hid them so i couldnt take them away. Anyway i did see at the places she was in - they were all radically different. Some had really good looking meals and others were slop. Only 1 seemed to give them enough calories though. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:34am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:15am:
Yeah, the thickened liquids are pretty disgusting. They do that to prevent aspiration (the liquid going down the wrong way, into the lungs, and eventually causing pneumonia). Dad's liquids all had to be thickened, and he hated it. Unfortunately, it was the aspiration that got him in the end :'( |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 7:56am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:32pm:
Bobby links a lot of things in his posts that he shouldn't when he's online. I have no idea why but like Dumbarse Aussie he feels compelled to. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:14am
Sad Kangaroo you were on D&R eh?
As who? NorthOfNorth? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:22am
I think Bobby and Greggy are both right.
They do serve that kind of slop, but not to everyone. But, in general, they can and should eat better where medically possible. If we lie about the conditions, when people see that it's not slop for everyone, everyday, it hurts the movement to push for reform. Just like conspiracy tards lying about whatever they're trying to push, when they're exposed their argument, in the rational world, is over. I'm not saying we have any sort of influence on this forum when it comes to public policy, but it's still important to be honest and tell the truth. I've been eating slop the past couple of weeks. Creamy Mushroom Soup, Cauliflower and Parmesan Cheese soup, and something we've affectionately called baby food which looks like pumpkin soup but is boiled potato, chicken breast, carrots, green beans and squash, mashed then blended into slop. My wife was unable to eat proper food at the time, so we've had to change our meals to this. The kids ate normally but I thought it was unfair for me to eat chewy or crunchy food, so I had the same as her. We're slowly getting back to normal with more substantial soft foods. We wouldn't want to have to eat like this forever. It really made us realise how lucky we are to, normally, have access to such great quality food and it actually has a psychological impact when you don't. We know our situation is temporary. The quality of food in general in nursing homes isn't great, but it's not as bad as Bobby is painting it. But we don't need to exaggerate it. It can, and should be better. Sharing meals is such an important part of the human experience and while they may have the option to share the meals, if they're eating poor quality food it's detrimental to their physical and mental health. It's an easy thing to point to in terms of policy change because everybody eats and can relate. It's not quite the same when it comes to medical care, nurse access, being bedridden etc, it's not something that everyone can empathise with, for those even capable. But the food is something we can all agree on. Well, nearly all of us. There are some voices pretty much pushing, they're old, they've lived their lives, bugger em. It costs too much to fix, they should be lucky to have what they do, why should we sacrifice for them? Similar to the COVID stand and the elderly the same voices have taken. Not everyone is capable of compassion and empathy. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:23am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:14am:
D&D, and if you must know, I was often a Bard. But nice deflection, as usual. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by aquascoot on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:47am
And what about the elderly in nursing homes whose only joy in life is seeing their relatives
They probably see people insisting on nursing home lockdown to keep them safe as sadistic monsters That's certainly how I would feel if I was living in solitary confinement and being told no visitors as I have to be kept safe I'm sure some elderly people value human flourishing waymore then safety & security |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:48am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:23am:
And not often? NorthOfNorth? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:11am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:48am:
You've got a very obvious tell. The moment someone says something that's a little too close to home, you go in hard on the sock accusations. I wonder what it was that triggered you this time? Was it pointing out that you were complaining that we shouldn't be able to point to something that Scomo did as treasurer back in the 2016-17 budget, cutting $1.2 billion from aged care, because that was too long ago, then in the next "red flag" you claim I should read more to be able to blame Labor, who were last in power even earlier than that, in 2013 and how hypocritical that was? Or was it that in the short time I've paid attention to you, you've claimed to have a double degree, been to law school, were a high school maths teacher and a stay-at-home mum and that seems like a lot for one person... It seems, dare I say, a little sus? Or was it maybe the fact that I've sourced the evidence in the full report of the Royal Commission into Aged Care, the summation and follow up recommendations as what has guided my opinion on the matter and all you've done is say "do your research" like a conspiracy tard? There is a lot to choose from, and you've displayed time and time again what a precious snowflake you are, so your triggering might not even have anything to do with the forum, I'm just the lucky recipient of your bitching and moaning... I thought that's what hubby is for... At least he hopefully gets some perks out of having to endure you... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:34am aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:47am:
My mother was very very upset in the lockdown because they wouldnt let me in to see her. They fed her crap she hated because nobody was watching them. She ended up dying during lockdown (but i did sneak in the day before). Its not like covid was going to do anything to her - she was already dying. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:36am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:22am:
This is what im saying. They arent ALL bad. Most are in canberra though. The posh one my dad was in in sydney served pretty basic food (to save money i suppose) and called it posh names. A free one in canberra my mother was in temporarily actually had healthy (and it looked tasty) meals. Actually - same one cods was in. They are not all the same. Spot |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:47am
Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?
It's delicious and nutritious. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:57am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 8:14am:
Yep. NorthOfNorth. Thought so. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:59am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:47am:
Why do you keep reposting the same thing over and over? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:00am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:57am:
You're not special enough Lisa for there to be some conspiracy against you. If you want to avoid the topic and focus on this because you can't refute the points other people are making, just abandon the thread again. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:00am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:59am:
Just to annoy all the posters who doubted me. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:01am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:47am:
Bobby could you desist in posting the same pics? Are you aware that you're even doing this? Log off and go and get tested FFS! You've been online accusing posters left right and centre and you're posting ie spamming topics with the same pics of food AND personal PMs! You're clearly unwell and that RATS test is a priority! I don't think you have brain fog to be honest. Why? The prerequisite for that is a brain! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:03am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:57am:
Edit : White flag accepted |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:04am One of the biggest problems is idiots like Bobby who don't understand why the food is all mushed up. Just because it looks bad, it doesn't mean it tastes bad, or isn't nutritious. Dysphagia and aspiration are big problems in nursing homes, and that explains why you see a lot of the pureed food. Bobby's brain seems incapable of understanding this simple fact though. I'm sure there are crap meals out there, just as there are crap meals in restaurants all over the country, but they aren't all bad. I was actually quite impressed with the food at my father's nursing home - I ate the fish and chips (with generous serving of salad) every Friday :) It was as good as any upmarket pub meal. And the roasts on Sundays were delicious. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:06am
Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?
It's delicious and nutritious. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:08am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:04am:
^^^ See that post right there everyone It's 200% correct! TRUTH! And I can't stand the poster but it's not about that! What's more important is the truth is being posted irrespective of who is telling it. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:08am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:06am:
One of the biggest problems is idiots like Bobby who don't understand why the food is all mushed up. Just because it looks bad, it doesn't mean it tastes bad, or isn't nutritious. Dysphagia and aspiration are big problems in nursing homes, and that explains why you see a lot of the pureed food. Bobby's brain seems incapable of understanding this simple fact though. I'm sure there are crap meals out there, just as there are crap meals in restaurants all over the country, but they aren't all bad. I was actually quite impressed with the food at my father's nursing home - I ate the fish and chips (with generous serving of salad) every Friday :) It was as good as any upmarket pub meal. And the roasts on Sundays were delicious. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:10am
Greggy only saw one good rest home so
he thinks they are all like that. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:11am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:01am:
BOBBY STOP SPAMMING THIS TOPIC with the same pics over and over again! It's revealing how unhinged you are! Go and get tested for Covid19 ffs! You've definitely got it! It's affected your brain. Big time! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:12am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:10am:
"I'm sure there are crap meals out there ..." Didn't say they are all good, Booby. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:12am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:10am:
No it was you who has only seen 1 good rest home. Don't you remember saying that? |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:12am
Lisa,
go and have a cup of tea and a lie down. ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:14am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:12am:
Greggy, that food looks like dog vomit. You are welcome to it. ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Lisa Ross on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:14am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:12am:
No one has stated that they're all good. Bobby is imagining that they have. He needs to get tested for Covid19. Once he knows he's positive he can rest given his age. Edit : Dear God he's been 54 for 15 years now 😐 Where is that maths topic!??! |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:17am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:14am:
Yes, for the reasons I've explained to you. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:17am:
Get it in to ya mate - open wide - there that's a good boy. ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:26am Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Nobody doubted you friend, just your claim that it happens everywhere and for everyone. We all, well not all, but I think it's safe to say the majority want to see the quality of the food, amongst other things, improved. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:27am Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:03am:
Says the poster running from scrutiny... |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:38am SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:26am:
Well, it does happen everywhere - it's pureed food essential for the well-being of the residents with dysphagia and aspiration problems. There's nothing wrong with it - it's perfectly nutritious and tasty. I've eaten it. It looks crap, but it has to be that way or else they'd have residents dying left right and centre (faster than normal). But no, it's not served to all residents - only those with the conditions mentioned. Bobby is being a complete idiot. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:45am This is exactly what my father's meals looked like when they were served up to him: Still not pretty, but they are served that way for a reason: "A puréed food diet provides nutrition for individuals suffering from many different diseases and conditions but is designed specifically for patients who have difficulty chewing or swallowing. People with dysphagia, or difficulty swallowing, usually follow this type of diet to prevent choking or silent aspiration." Now, most people in nursing homes are bored shitless and they'll do anything for entertainment. My father used to mush all the colours together for a bit of fun, and to gently cool it down. The result is what you see in Bobby's first photo. Looked disgusting, however, he thoroughly enjoyed the taste. Without meals like that, my father would have died in the first week he was admitted to the nursing home. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 2:56pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:26am:
Thanks - your apology is accepted. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 3:11pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 2:56pm:
If you need to feel like that was an apology that's fine with me, I only care about the issue not your feelings, but if it means you'll come to the table in a more good-faith way, I'm all for it. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 3:11pm:
The fact is that I'm fed up with being shot as the messenger nearly every day on Ozpolitic. Unlike many other posters I give a link to the story I'm telling. I try to use good sources but it's still not good enough for the horrible posters who use ad hominem abuse against me. The usual suspects: Greggy, Monk and Jim. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by SadKangaroo on Apr 5th, 2022 at 4:14pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm:
Mate, I understand. You can only lead a horse to water. But don't confuse people tiring of reposts because you didn't get the reaction you wanted the first time with shooting the messenger. And again, I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's safe to say, the meals shown in these links, IF (and this is a big if since it's been shown in most cases, this isn't happening) this was the standard meals across all the residents, it's outrageous and totally unacceptable. If it's only for those who suffer from Dysphagia it's entirely different, they actually need their meals in this form. So long as its quality ingredients going into what is then processed into the final product, that's all that matters. But this was a little excessive, Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 3:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2022 at 8:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 9:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:06am:
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by Bobby. on Apr 5th, 2022 at 4:29pm
Hi Sad,
thou doth hath reason to be annoyed. ;D |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 10:45am:
Many years ago, before I started gaining weight, I did some weird stuff like blending all my cooked vegetables in a blender and serving it up with sausages or schnitzels for my dinner. Carrots, peas/beans, potato, asparagus -- all blended together and served on a plate. The thing was that I was able to digest the food a lot better. But, I did not have the enjoyment of eating a meal as it was presented. I gave up on blending the food when I figured I was probably spending more money on using the blender than whatever digestive benefit I was getting from blending the food. I was triggered by memories of this when I was eating oatmeal for breakfast. No matter how we feel about the look of the meals at aged care facilities, we have to put the health of the residents first. The elderly have probably eaten much worse or less meals in their youth than what they have at the aged care. It is not like we want the elderly to choke on their meals because they cannot chew and swallow as well as they have in the past. |
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Title: Re: Aged Care Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 5th, 2022 at 7:08pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:10pm:
Yep. Nailed it. My mother, unfortunately, has the same problem now (even worse), so I have to blend her meals in a Ninja every day. Looks disgusting, but it's nutritious and tasty. |
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