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Member Run Boards >> Cats and Critters >> Great Pacific Garbage Patch http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1649303448 Message started by Jovial Monk on Apr 7th, 2022 at 1:50pm |
Title: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 7th, 2022 at 1:50pm
As I will describe below this “Patch” causes harm to many types of critters.
The Patch is actually two patches: Quote:
The material in the patch is not in the shape of bottles, bottle caps etc but in the form of microplastics. . . . In reality, these patches are almost entirely made up of tiny bits of plastic, called microplastics. Microplastics can’t always be seen by the naked eye. Even satellite imagery doesn’t show a giant patch of garbage. The microplastics of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch can simply make the water look like a cloudy soup. This soup is intermixed with larger items, such as fishing gear and shoes. The seafloor beneath the Great Pacific Garbage Patch may also be an underwater trash heap. Oceanographers and ecologists recently discovered that about 70% of marine debris actually sinks to the bottom of the ocean. While oceanographers and climatologists predicted the existence of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, it was a racing boat captain by the name of Charles Moore who actually discovered the trash vortex. Moore was sailing from Hawaii to California after competing in a yachting race. Crossing the North Pacific Subtropical Gyre, Moore and his crew noticed millions of pieces of plastic surrounding his ship. Marine Debris No one knows how much debris makes up the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. The North Pacific Subtropical Gyre is too large for scientists to trawl. In addition, not all of the trash floats on the surface. Denser debris can sink centimeters or even several meters beneath the surface, making the vortex’s area nearly impossible to measure. 80 percent of plastic in the ocean is estimated to come from land-based sources, with the remaining 20 percent coming from boats and other marine sources. These percentages vary by region, however. A 2018 study found that synthetic fishing nets made up nearly half the mass of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, due largely to ocean current dynamics and increased fishing activity in the Pacific Ocean. While many different types of trash enter the ocean, plastics make up the majority of marine debris for two reasons. First, plastic’s durability, low cost, and malleability mean that it’s being used in more and more consumer and industrial products. Second, plastic goods do not biodegrade but instead, break down into smaller pieces. In the ocean, the sun breaks down these plastics into tinier and tinier pieces, a process known as photodegradation. Most of this debris comes from plastic bags, bottle caps, plastic water bottles, and Styrofoam cups.[/quote] https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/great-pacific-garbage-patch/ The Nat. Geographic article is clear and easy to read. Now to get on to the harm to critters part of that article. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 7th, 2022 at 2:55pm
Supposedly, the Americans were going to release wax moths that lay waxworms upon their larger section of the plastic garbage patch. Early reports stated that the wax worms were doing excellent work in deteriorating the plastics. But, considering the slow nature of the biodegradation of the plastics eaten by the worms, and the cost of collecting the moths and shipping them out to locations, this is only a temporary measure. The waxworms are reportedly not cocooning to become moths to continue the cycle in large enough numbers. And it seems that the worms are sinking their own plastics they are consuming, and becoming fish food, anyway.
Government organisations are going to keep the collection of plastics in their specially designed boats. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Laugh till you cry on Apr 7th, 2022 at 3:22pm
Good news. The Pacific garbage patches are greatly diminished each time Banana-fingers Haji Gordon exits the ocean as long as he doesn't then proceed to manufacture Bondi cigars.
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 7th, 2022 at 3:24pm
Direct harm the GPGP poses to marine critters (same article as above:)
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Plastic items are easy and cheap to make, no way will natural material, hemp and sisal, be used again in any great quantity to make fishing nets. While some plastics can be made biodegradable a lot can’t be—plastic jerrycans for water and petrol etc. Is direct physical harm the only problem? Unfortunately not! Quote:
AGW is already causing oxygen–free marine “blobs” so the GPGP marine deserts have a bigger effect than what damage they do. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 7th, 2022 at 3:29pm |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 10th, 2022 at 3:17pm
Some bacteria can “eat” plastic. Will find the story I read and posted somewhere, see if there is newer info.
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 17th, 2022 at 9:15pm
From the “PLastici” article cited two posts above:
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Laugh till you cry on Apr 17th, 2022 at 11:37pm
There is no possibility that the ocean will be saved. There are 6 billion people who are evolving economically and proper waste disposal only occurs after they reach a near-1950s standard Western state of wealth for the average person.
That won't happen in the next 100 years so there is going to be a growth of trash in the oceans. The ocean garbage can't be easily removed on a large scale without harming marine life. There are currently no serious projects that can save the oceans. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 17th, 2022 at 11:42pm
Some microbes eat plastic now, these could be bred up and released into the oceans, turn waste into nutrients for plankton.
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 8:14am Quote:
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Laugh till you cry on Apr 18th, 2022 at 9:51am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 8:14am:
Too little, too late. Garbage removal from the oceans is vastly overwhelmed by the dumping of new garbage. The Bondi Cigar lives and is multiplying. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:11am
Plastic can be made to decompose so future garbage flows hugely decrease.
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Bobby. on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:23am Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 9:51am:
Whenever we have heavy rain in Melbourne all the dog turds get washed out into the bay from our storm water drains. It's disgusting. Do they still have Bondi cigars in Sydney? |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:37am
Dog turds, Bondi cigars are organic and are broken down quickly enough.
If you want cleaner sea water then agitate for wetlands to clean the water—settling ponds, reeds, birds etc. At the one near here when it was new I was walking Demi off-lead when she chased a duck into the water and chased it by swimming for 3-400 metres. Everybody around that large pond was killing themselves laughing at the over-optimistic dog thinking it could catch a duck by swimming after it ;D ;D Now we have to have the dog on a lead when walking through the wetlands. But it does treat a lot of the water from Sturt Creek. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Bobby. on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:40am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:37am:
Not quickly enough if you want to go for a swim. Remember our bay is not open ocean. :-[ |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:43am
Yes, not for swimming!
I have a painting of St Kilda Boulevard, don’t think that exists anymore—the painting was clearly set in Victorian or Edwardian times. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Bobby. on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:46am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:43am:
When the bacteria count passes a certain level the beaches at St Kilda are closed for swimming. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 11:00am
Some Sturt Creek empties into the Patawalunga, when that overflows taking with it lots of stagnant black mud beaches to the north of the Pat. outlet are closed. Take a while to clean the Pat water and bottom I think: the Pat. is dammed with a lock for boats to enter the sea from the Pat (lots of moorings in the Pat.) so water flowing into it drops the silt. The water becomes stagnant—Yuck!
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 18th, 2022 at 11:02am
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Patawalonga+River/@-34.9567762,138.5129321,14.01z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ab0db23dbdf8be1:0x36103b6404e7d869!8m2!3d-34.9700692!4d138.5134082 shows the Sturt Creek, the Pat and a drainage canal for Adelaide Airport.
Hmmm Google maps calls it the PatawalOnga whereas I have always known it as the PatawalUnga. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on May 8th, 2022 at 11:44am
Now, there is a bit of good news re the Great Garbage patches in our oceans:
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This is still early days but if these enzymes could be manufactured industrially and spread over the garbage patches that would help or at least be a start. A change so plastics degrade naturally would help as well. “Spring water” bottles are one of the main sources of plastic pollution—why not have the plastic degrade exponentially faster once the cap is opened? Exponentially—at first the very slowest of breakdown of the plastic, 2-3 months after the bottle cap is first removed from the bottle it rapidly breaks down into component molecules? Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds Original paper the above article is based on: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mBio.02155-21 |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on May 8th, 2022 at 11:48am
A specific microbe:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideonella_sakaiensis#:~:text=Ideonella%20sakaiensis%20is%20a%20bacterium,a%20carbon%20and%20energy%20source. Original paper: [url] Yoshida S, Hiraga K, Takehana T, Taniguchi I, Yamaji H, Maeda Y, et al. (March 2016). "A bacterium that degrades and assimilates poly(ethylene terephthalate)". Science. 351 (6278): 1196–1199. Bibcode:2016Sci...351.1196Y. doi:10.1126/science.aad6359. PMID 26965627. S2CID 31146235.[/url] As I stated, plastic spring water bottles are a huge source of plastic waste. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by UnSubRocky on May 8th, 2022 at 12:23pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 11:48am:
The way Mum and Dad collect bottles to take to the recycling, any idea of plastic spring water bottles going to waste are a tragedy to my parents. They collect my spring water bottles every 2 weeks before recycling comes. If they could, they would spend hours collecting bottles to cash in at the containers for change centre. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on May 8th, 2022 at 1:31pm
Yeah, I toss mine into a basket, take them to the recycling centre every so often. But what happens then?
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by UnSubRocky on May 8th, 2022 at 1:54pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Then the recycling centre workers make bongs outta them bottles. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on May 8th, 2022 at 2:13pm
Probably! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Jun 24th, 2022 at 7:25pm
What plastic waste can do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfeTuVcIhs0&ab_channel=OceanConservationNamibia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMcPoRi8tSo |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Jun 30th, 2022 at 6:25am
Where does the plastic in our oceans come from?
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https://ourworldindata.org/ocean-plastics |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 30th, 2022 at 12:01pm
It is too late.
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Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 30th, 2022 at 12:05pm
All plastic waste discarded doesn't even reach a peak by 2050 if ever.
Incineration is just shifting pollution from the sea to the air and to the land by fallout. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:59am
From the great State of South Australia. . .{drumroll}. . ..
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About time this was done! Quote:
https://indaily.com.au/news/business/2022/07/18/plastic-eating-system-looks-to-commercial-ramp-up Excellent! The more this happens the quicker the backlog of plastic waste, incl the Great Garbage Patches in the oceans can be tackled! |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 30th, 2022 at 6:24am
Another project:
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https://www.ucdavis.edu/climate/news/tons-lost-fishing-gear-recovered-southern-california-coast A lot more places in a lot more countries should do projects like this, then digest the plastic with tailored bacteria to get biogas, compost etc to use. |
Title: Re: Great Pacific Garbage Patch Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 30th, 2022 at 3:57pm Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/30/tiny-turtle-pooed-pure-plastic-for-six-days-after-rescue-from-sydney-beach It pooed pure plastic for SIX DAYS! Our garbage! |
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