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Title: Democracies Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am i prefer a democracy. Sure, all sorts of clever comments are made against them, but name a better system? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bobby. on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:24am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
Russia, China and North Korea all call themselves democracies. :-? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by John Smith on Apr 25th, 2022 at 11:54am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
Johnocracies ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:14pm Russia has democratically elected leader of the country. Mom Britain, Australia and other British colonial Disneylands have never had a democratically elected head of state. ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Dnarever on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:29pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
If there was an award for the most untrue post of the day you would have won today. Most of the Russian opposition leaders are in prison or dead. Putin is an autocrat / dictator. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by John Smith on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:32pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
let me guess. In your world the sky is green and the grass is blue? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 2:14pm John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:32pm:
Let me guess, You don't know who is your head of state. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by John Smith on Apr 25th, 2022 at 2:16pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 2:14pm:
it's not Xi ::) |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bias_2012 on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:12pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
Parliament just wiped out the bulk of the minor parties - that's not a democracy anyone can be proud of, it's just following Putin's "democracy" and tactics Compulsory voting forfeits the "right" to vote and voting becomes an order from the top, just like an order to troops from a General ... there's no say in the matter, and punishment can be imposed The major parties help themselves to $22million each, of taxpayers money from the AEC after every election If your vote doesn't help to get a candidate elected, your vote loses 100% of it's value and is discarded into the "trash bin" We need a better democracy than we've got now - one that's democratic |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:22pm Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:12pm:
Yep Typical for a British penal colony ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bobby. on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:46pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
Russia, China and North Korea all have leaders for life. That is not democracy. None of their leaders are any different to Hitler. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 25th, 2022 at 5:36pm
Actually, none of the three you mentioned have a toothbrush moustache. Apologise for bullshitting!
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bobby. on Apr 25th, 2022 at 5:41pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 5:36pm:
Monk, Go back to your dump of a forum and stop wrecking PA and this forum. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:07pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:46pm:
Your head of state and colonial master has been in power for more than 60 years. Hypocrite, will you admit it?. ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bobby. on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:10pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
The Queen is different to a Prime Minister or President - you idiot. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Jim Lahey on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:10pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
LOL its my mate the CCP shill, shall we talk about the CCP massacre at... The Tiananmen Square protests, known as the June Fourth Incident (Chinese: 六四事件; pinyin: liùsì shìjiàn) in China, were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre (Chinese: 天安门大屠杀; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén dà túshā), troops armed with assault rifles and accompanied by tanks fired at the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government declared martial law and sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[1][2][3][4][5][6] The popular national movement inspired by the Beijing protests is sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement (Chinese: 八九民运; pinyin: Bājiǔ mínyùn) or the Tiananmen Square Incident (Chinese: 天安门事件; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén shìjiàn). The protests were precipitated by the death of pro-reform Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Hu Yaobang in April 1989 amid the backdrop of rapid economic development and social change in post-Mao China, reflecting anxieties among the people and political elite about the country's future. The reforms of the 1980s had led to a nascent market economy that benefited some people but seriously disadvantaged others, and the one-party political system also faced a challenge to its legitimacy. Common grievances at the time included inflation, corruption, limited preparedness of graduates for the new economy,[7] and restrictions on political participation. Although they were highly disorganized and their goals varied, the students called for greater accountability, constitutional due process, democracy, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.[8][9] At the height of the protests, about one million people assembled in the Square.[10] As the protests developed, the authorities responded with both conciliatory and hardline tactics, exposing deep divisions within the party leadership.[11] By May, a student-led hunger strike galvanized support around the country for the demonstrators, and the protests spread to some 400 cities.[12] Among the CCP's top leadership, Premier Li Peng and Party Elders Li Xiannian and Wang Zhen called for decisive action through violent suppression of the protesters, and ultimately managed to win over Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping and President Yang Shangkun to their side.[13][14][15] On 20 May, the State Council declared martial law. They mobilized as many as ~300,000 troops to Beijing.[12] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city's major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June, killing both demonstrators and bystanders in the process. The military operations were under the overall command of General Yang Baibing, half-brother of President Yang Shangkun.[16] The international community, human rights organizations, and political analysts condemned the Chinese government for the massacre. Western countries imposed arms embargoes on China.[17] The Chinese government made widespread arrests of protesters and their supporters, suppressed other protests around China, expelled foreign journalists, strictly controlled coverage of the events in the domestic press, strengthened the police and internal security forces, and demoted or purged officials it deemed sympathetic to the protests.[18] More broadly, the suppression ended the political reforms begun in 1986 and halted the policies of liberalization of the 1980s, which were only partly resumed after Deng Xiaoping's Southern Tour in 1992.[19][20][21] Considered a watershed event, reaction to the protests set limits on political expression in China that have lasted up to the present day.[22] Remembering the protests is widely associated with questioning the legitimacy of CCP rule and remains one of the most sensitive and most widely censored topics in China.[23][24] |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:45pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 4:46pm:
In those countries, the leaders cannot be voted out. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 7:57pm
"Australia is a feudal extension from Britain. It never did make the peoples breach with right of nobility and authority. That was done in the US. Influenced by still instituted European Viking settled in America of peoples right to own property and land, and moreover to claim land, as Viking law allowed. The newcomer came to Australia under the crown as convicts that did not claim land and assume the right to defend themselves as led to making of the United States. By this neither were the native people recognized as free people, they were treated like convicts from the very beginning of no rights. All this needs to be corrected or there will civil uprisings, Australia needs a settled constitution of equal rights and of historical respect".
Thorsteinn Hakonarson |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:03pm
Australia is not a free country. Westerners are trained to believe that that’s what you call like any English-speaking nation with liberal cultural values, but really it’s just a continent-sized US military base with kangaroos. Human rights are allowed only where they are convenient, which is why they are continually disintegrating.
The first mistake in believing that Australia is a free country is believing that it is free. The second is believing that it’s an actual country. As Julian Assange put it shortly before the Australian government allowed him to be silenced and then imprisoned for journalism exposing US war crimes: "I love my birth country, Australia, but as a state it doesn’t exist. Here is why: it had its prime minister denounce me, moved to cancel my passport, secretly passed data on me to US intelligence and has never made representations on my behalf. It is owned by US+UK corporations. Before WWII, Australia was dominated by the UK – of which it was a colony. After the war, it subordinated itself to US hegemony. A brief attempt at an independent Australian foreign policy in 1975 resulted in a US+UK-backed constitutional coup". Anyway, it’s a mess. So what to do about all this? If you read social media comments from people in the Northern Hemisphere, the answer is that Australians should wage a civil war against their government, which, from where I’m standing, is hilarious, partly because they’re talking about a populace whose entire cultural value system is built around being laid-back and unbothered, and partly because most of those commenters are Americans living directly under the single most tyrannical regime on earth who have yet to put their much-touted Second Amendment toward practising what they preach. There’s a lot that’s going to have to shift before Australians gain stable protections for their civil liberties, which will necessarily have to include not just some kind of bill of rights but becoming an actual republic and finally getting that ugly old woman off our coins and ending the illegitimate US military occupation here once and for all. This will not happen until there’s an expansion in public consciousness of the need to do this, which may or may not be born out of conditions getting a lot worse before they get better. It may also be born out of a critical mass of Australians deciding they’re fed up and beginning a real push toward becoming a free country. :) |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by John Smith on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:09pm athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
lets see now I have no issues if I write on here 'Scot morrison is a dickhead' lets see how free you really are and you write the same about xi ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:10pm
Unlike America Australia, as a British colony with British head of state and British flag, doesn't have even a national bill of rights. Some comprehensive form of legal protection for basic rights is otherwise seen as an essential check and balance in democratic governance around the world. Indeed, I can find no example of a democratic nation that has gained a new Constitution or legal system in recent decades that has not included some form of a bill of rights, nor am I aware of any such nation that has done away with a bill of rights once it has been put in place.
Why, then, is Australia the exception? The answer lies in our history. Although many think of Australia as a young country, constitutionally speaking, it is one of the oldest in the world. The Australian Constitution remains almost completely as it was when enacted in 1901, while the Constitutions of the Australian states can go back as far as the 1850s. The legal systems and Constitutions of the nation and the Australian colonies (and then states) were conceived at a time when human rights, with the prominent exception of the 1791 United States Bill of Rights, tended not to be protected through a single legal instrument. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by John Smith on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:12pm
run back to your masters ;D
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:17pm
In democratic and sovereign countries, in accordance with the constitution (de Jure), citizens are free and equal people, where no one has inherited rights superior to others and who collectively possess sovereignty.
Unfortunately, Australia to this day remains a British colony with a British flag and a British monarch, who is de jure "Above the Law" as Australian head of state, which, among other things, prevents Australia from building its own cultural and national identity. As a result of that in accordance with Australian constitution this country in fact does not even have citizens but the “British Subject’ or ‘subject of the her Majesty' which is a projection of feudal caste system that is still present in Britain (Subject is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another looking up to a master) :) |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:21pm
Well, if you think Aust is not a democracy you have the right to leave and go to a democracy that suits your definition.
It might be russia or Nth Korea. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bias_2012 on Apr 26th, 2022 at 12:29am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:21pm:
Athos is in Honk Kong and what he posted was probably authored by someone here in OZ |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Frank on Apr 26th, 2022 at 8:26am athos wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:17pm:
The 1936 constitution of the Soviet Union was a noble-sounding document. It guaranteed universal suffrage, recognized a long list of human rights including the right to work, the right to enjoy rest and leisure, and the right to housing and health care, and provided for old-age benefits. Article 125 of the constitution also guaranteed free speech, a free press, and the right to assemble peacefully. Unfortunately, those guarantees were neutered by a supervening law that subjected those activities to review by a censor. Free speech is guaranteed, Comrade, just so long as you say what we like. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 26th, 2022 at 11:52am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 8:21pm:
Fortunately, I do not live in your Anglo-colonial Disneyland. During the British colonial dictatorship, Hong did not have the democracy that was introduced after the liberation from British occupation. Since Australia is an undemocratic British colony ruled by a British monarch you are welcome in Hong Kong to experience freedom and democracy as a citizen of a sovereign country. :) |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 26th, 2022 at 11:59am Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 12:29am:
Yobbos don't know how to read English. ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 26th, 2022 at 12:00pm
Hong Kong is not awarding a “most independent journalist this year—the CCP may not like it. No democracy there!
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by MeisterEckhart on Apr 26th, 2022 at 12:02pm athos wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 11:59am:
Well-that-would-be-'you',-given-you're-a-bot- and-the-fact-that-your-administrator-has-already- admitted-that-'you'-neither-read-nor-speak-English.- |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Dnarever on Apr 26th, 2022 at 12:11pm athos wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 11:52am:
yes its all good till you get run over by a tank. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:35pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
We warned you of this when you were getting all carried away with Trump, remember? Putin is merely Trump without the democratic restraints. Putin, Orban, Erdogan, Le Pen. They want an imperialist world where whatever they say goes. Macron's just saved another country from going to the dogs, just as Biden saved America. They might be moderate and dull, but they delegate, and that's what democracy is: different people coming together to decide. Lots of long, boring meetings with agendas and I second the motion and carried. It's not like a reality TV show, edited to create a false narrative. Next time you see Trump krapping on about building walls or dancing to the Village People, remember this. Don't get sucked in. Trump thinks Putin grabbing free land is genius. We know better, no? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by aquascoot on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:45pm Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:35pm:
comedy gold |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Frank on Apr 26th, 2022 at 8:16pm Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:35pm:
Your performance review is in, paki. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYGy-j_oH5Q |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by freediver on Apr 26th, 2022 at 8:48pm athos wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 11:52am:
Do you live in Hong Kong? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Apr 27th, 2022 at 1:04am aquascoot wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
We'll win so much we'll get tired of winning, no? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 27th, 2022 at 1:16am Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 5:35pm:
yes, delegation is the key. Getting experts in to make decisions, following through on that. That was trumps big failure. It was his way or you got fired. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 27th, 2022 at 10:24am Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 1:04am:
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 27th, 2022 at 10:57am freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
Yes Sir I live here since we liberated Hong Kong from Anglo occupation. https://www.google.com/search?q=Repulse+bay+Hong+Kong&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBtLT2FX4vmKsEzckM8Mm_OmIppjEw:1651019002729&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=atAuxmABzZXogM%252CxXvTUUhNBlNZNM%252C_%253B8cQ0jB9_7CE3FM%252CAQfzQhHTwDAipM%252C_%253B8tFTNbubi66Q0M%252CmuOn3EhIkzLnRM%252C_%253BibNgBZT-A7V__M%252Cmdsa4w1B6OdnnM%252C_%253BlFeCcq95_A1EUM%252CDyKpPuPaUIwUSM%252C_%253B9PJNDN36ZUMARM%252CaTBTCakf6XF7VM%252C_%253BLm2Jn7ygfA1mXM%252Ci1Fld4cTNfNdxM%252C_%253BBPCddTQX-X1V7M%252Cg3XTRwf8bCY66M%252C_%253B1UQCnYIKaq0-fM%252CjQ_fLeDVq2YYkM%252C_%253Bpl_gH4p3bAOhNM%252CclPxdGI3PjbeJM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRE0MXTThpPtgB3BgFYHeVs9Fn8zQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU-rKJ_bL3AhV5zTgGHeriD9AQ9QF6BAhVEAE#imgrc=MLUkt_cUi-hp_M |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 27th, 2022 at 11:20am
The irony of a CCP bot talking about democracy!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Bias_2012 on Apr 27th, 2022 at 12:19pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
I repeat ... The Libs and Labs just wiped out the bulk of the minor parties - that's not a democracy anyone can be proud of, it's just emulating the tactics of well known dictators, past and present, in the guise of democracy Lib Lab imposed compulsory voting forfeits the "right" to vote and voting becomes an order from the top, just like an order to troops from a General ... there's no say in the matter, and punishment can be imposed The major parties help themselves to $22million each, of taxpayers money from the AEC after every election ... That's just pure theft from the Treasury The AEC is biased towards the Libs and Labs, when they're supposed to be impartial. AEC officials are nearly all Lib and Lab supporters and voters. The AEC will always ensure the Libs and Labs will always win power If your vote doesn't help to get a candidate elected, your vote loses 100% of it's value and is discarded into the "trash bin". Several million voters are disenfranchise every election, just left out in the cold and ignored We need a better democracy than what we've got now - we need one that's democratic - so let's get started on it |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by freediver on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm athos wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 10:57am:
Have you ever been to a country outside of HK and China? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:43pm freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
Yes I was in Middle East, Europe and of course Asian countries. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Jovial Monk on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:47pm
Helps if you open your eyes.
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by freediver on Apr 27th, 2022 at 7:08pm athos wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:43pm:
Which countries do you think are worse places to live than China? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 27th, 2022 at 8:48pm athos wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 10:57am:
Good on you. What sort of government system is used there? |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Frank on Apr 27th, 2022 at 8:54pm athos wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 6:43pm:
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Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 28th, 2022 at 10:48am freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 7:08pm:
Conclude for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuzlraPi0jk&t=6s |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 28th, 2022 at 10:59am Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Che scemo |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by MeisterEckhart on Apr 28th, 2022 at 11:37am athos wrote on Apr 28th, 2022 at 10:48am:
Show-that-white-monkey-video-to- the-people-of-Shanghai-and-the-people-of- the-40-other-cities-locked-down.- |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Apr 28th, 2022 at 5:40pm Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Colonialism started far too late, no? Mother should have colonised China during the Dark Ages, as every schoolboy knows. She could at least have sent some of her opium down here, eh? She could have saved on religion. |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 28th, 2022 at 6:00pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2022 at 11:37am:
Che Scemo |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by athos on Apr 28th, 2022 at 6:29pm "Who will direct our directors? Who will protect us from our protectors?" ;D |
Title: Re: Democracies Post by freediver on Apr 28th, 2022 at 8:19pm athos wrote on Apr 28th, 2022 at 10:48am:
None of them? Surely you can think of one? |
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