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Message started by Laugh till you cry on May 8th, 2022 at 10:01am

Title: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 8th, 2022 at 10:01am
The 2011 census showed only 1.7% of people in Scotland had some Scottish Gaelic skills, In a population of five million-plus this amounts to around 87,100.

This will depress several Ozpolitic denizens who have used Scottish Gaeili in their posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Cg7bS7XXI

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180731-can-27m-a-year-bring-a-language-back-from-near-death#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20along%20with%20about,classed%20as%20'definitely%20endangered'.


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Finding the value in an ancient way of speaking.
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The feeling of walking barefoot across a beach in summer and the sun-warmed sand chafing my toes takes me the length of this sentence to describe. My great-great-grandfather, Angus Morrison, would have used one word: driùchcainn.

That’s because, born and bred on the fringes of Western Europe, on Lewis, in the archipelago of the Outer Hebrides, his mother tongue was Scottish Gaelic.

It’s the ancient Celtic language heard by TV audiences tuning into the Highlands time-travelling saga Outlander.

Scottish Gaelic is considered at risk of dying out. On Unesco’s list of imperilled languages, it is classed as ‘definitely endangered’
In real life, working together crofting, fishing, weaving or cutting peat for fires, my ancestors spoke in Gaelic. It was spoken at home, sung at parties, used at church. But education in Angus’s day was strictly in English. As late as the 1970s, children were sometimes punished for speaking Gaelic at school.

Raised alongside Atlantic surf and storms, he became a sailor. Then, in the mid-nineteenth century, moved to Glasgow, and settled there working as a ship’s rigger. Among the principles he instilled in the family was the importance of education. But he did not pass on his cradle tongue.

On the brink of extinction

My family story illustrates what linguistics experts call intergenerational breakdown. In 2018, along with about half of the world’s estimated 6,000 languages, Scottish Gaelic is considered at risk of dying out. On Unesco’s list of imperilled languages, it is classed as ‘definitely endangered’. Research suggests that one of the biggest factors to blame for killing off minority languages is a thriving economy. As economies develop, one language often comes to dominate a nation’s political and educational spheres, meaning people are forced to adopt the dominant language or risk being left out in the cold.

One of the biggest factors to blame for killing off minority languages is a thriving economy
Today, only my father has a little Gaelic. My own knowledge is limited to words adopted into English, such as ‘ceilidh’ – meaning a social gathering, usually with Scottish or Irish folk music.

That puts me in the same boat as most Scots. The 2011 census showed only 1.7% of people in Scotland had some Scottish Gaelic skills. In a population of five million-plus, this amounts to 87,100. Of these, only 32,400 were able to understand, speak, read and write it. Which is why the Scottish government is investing millions in trying to save it – through broadcasting, cultural and education projects. This ranges from Gaelic groups for pre-schoolers to ensuring the police and ambulance services have Gaelic language policies in place.

The budget for this tax year is £27.4m ($36m). But is it even possible to resuscitate a dying language – and does it really matter anyway?

In Scotland, news of £2.5m of further public funding for a new Gaelic dictionary has stirred debate. Over the past four decades, successive governments of different political stripes have all supported the language. But critics say the  policy is artificial and nostalgic and the cash should go to teaching modern world languages such as Spanish. “If Gaelic is dying does it deserve a financial kiss of life?” wrote columnist Brian Beacom in The Herald.

The 2011 census showed only 1.7% of people in Scotland had some Scottish Gaelic skills, In a population of five million-plus this amounts to around 87,100

The controversy is mirrored across the globe in countries such as New Zealand, where funding for Te Reo Maori (one of the country’s three official languages) is hotly disputed. In Germany, 60,000 Sorbs are fighting to retain government funding for the two separate languages they want to keep alive.

“It’s very easy to use an economic argument that monolingualism would be much more cost effective and that would reduce conflict and create economic efficiencies,” says Dr Marsaili MacLeod, lecturer in Gaelic at the University of Aberdeen, UK, and a champion of language rights. “But we would lose something if we all became one international nation with one language. People today really value cultural diversity and there’s a fear that we’re losing that through globalisation and English as a global language.”

The value of an ancient tongue

Spoken in Scotland for more than 1,500 years, in Medieval times it was the primary language for swathes of Scotland. But over the centuries usage shrank back to the Hebrides and the Highlands. In 1746, at the Battle of Culloden, British government troops defeated Jacobite forces. Afterwards, state suppression of clan culture and traditions included banning Gaelic.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Jovial Monk on May 16th, 2022 at 5:59pm
China is about to undergo another revolution.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Belgarion on May 16th, 2022 at 8:27pm
LTYC is a bampot wi a heid like a skelped erse.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2022 at 12:10am

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)


China cannot even keep their own country in check, let alone try to liberate other countries of those "round eyes".

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Ye Grappler on May 17th, 2022 at 1:08am
Aye - an' which Sco'ish language would tha' be?  Ere's Gaelic, English Sco's, regional dialects through the arse.... where's ye point, laddie?

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Jim Lahey on May 17th, 2022 at 5:23am

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


LOL do we need to talk about....
The Tiananmen Square protests, also known as the June Fourth Incident[1] (Chinese: 六四事件; pinyin: liùsì shìjiàn) in China, were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre (Chinese: 天安门大屠杀; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén dà túshā), troops armed with assault rifles and accompanied by tanks fired at the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government declared martial law and sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[2][3][4][5][6][7] The popular national movement inspired by the Beijing protests is sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement (Chinese: 八九民运; pinyin: Bājiǔ mínyùn) or the Tiananmen Square Incident (Chinese: 天安门事件; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén shìjiàn).

The protests were precipitated by the death of pro-reform Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Hu Yaobang in April 1989 amid the backdrop of rapid economic development and social change in post-Mao China, reflecting anxieties among the people and political elite about the country's future. The reforms of the 1980s had led to a nascent market economy that benefited some people but seriously disadvantaged others, and the one-party political system also faced a challenge to its legitimacy. Common grievances at the time included inflation, corruption, limited preparedness of graduates for the new economy,[8] and restrictions on political participation. Although they were highly disorganized and their goals varied, the students called for greater accountability, constitutional due process, democracy, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.[9][10] At the height of the protests, about one million people assembled in the Square.[11]

As the protests developed, the authorities responded with both conciliatory and hardline tactics, exposing deep divisions within the party leadership.[12] By May, a student-led hunger strike galvanized support around the country for the demonstrators, and the protests spread to some 400 cities.[13] Among the CCP's top leadership, Premier Li Peng and Party Elders Li Xiannian and Wang Zhen called for decisive action through violent suppression of the protesters, and ultimately managed to win over Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping and President Yang Shangkun to their side.[14][15][16] On 20 May, the State Council declared martial law. They mobilized as many as ~300,000 troops to Beijing.[13] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city's major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June, killing both demonstrators and bystanders in the process. The military operations were under the overall command of General Yang Baibing, half-brother of President Yang Shangkun.[17]

The international community, human rights organizations, and political analysts condemned the Chinese government for the massacre. Western countries imposed arms embargoes on China.[18] The Chinese government made widespread arrests of protesters and their supporters, suppressed other protests around China, expelled foreign journalists, strictly controlled coverage of the events in the domestic press, strengthened the police and internal security forces, and demoted or purged officials it deemed sympathetic to the protests.[19] More broadly, the suppression ended the political reforms begun in 1986 and halted the policies of liberalization of the 1980s, which were only partly resumed after Deng Xiaoping's Southern Tour in 1992.[20][21][22] Considered a watershed event, reaction to the protests set limits on political expression in China that have lasted up to the present day.[23] Remembering the protests is widely associated with questioning the legitimacy of CCP rule and remains one of the most sensitive and most widely censored topics in China.[24][25] 

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by The Heartless Felon on May 17th, 2022 at 6:42am
We could send Brian over to teach them Kriol...

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 11:22am

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?


Scottish ancestors came in Scotland from China and Russia so China and Russia
have right to protect them and liberate them from English brutal occupation.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Belgarion on May 17th, 2022 at 11:27am

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?


Scottish ancestors came in Scotland from China and Russia so China and Russia
have right to protect them and liberate them from English brutal occupation.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
:)


What we have in athos the sock, ladies and gentlemen, is the end result of our being far too tolerant of the Chinee man and allowing him to get ideas above his station.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 11:28am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 12:10am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)


China cannot even keep their own country in check, let alone try to liberate other countries of those "round eyes".


If you don't stop with your racist yobbo trolling you'll be reeducated and denazified.
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 11:30am

Belgarion wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:27am:

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?


Scottish ancestors came in Scotland from China and Russia so China and Russia
have right to protect them and liberate them from English brutal occupation.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
:)


What we have in athos the sock, ladies and gentlemen, is the end result of our being far too tolerant of the Chinee man and allowing him to get ideas above his station.


Please don't be ignorant and refer to my link.
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
Thank you
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2022 at 12:34pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:28am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 12:10am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)


China cannot even keep their own country in check, let alone try to liberate other countries of those "round eyes".


If you don't stop with your racist yobbo trolling you'll be reeducated and denazified.
:)


The woke mob are already trying to do that for the past 10 years.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 12:50pm

Belgarion wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:27am:

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?


Scottish ancestors came in Scotland from China and Russia so China and Russia
have right to protect them and liberate them from English brutal occupation.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
:)


What we have in athos the sock, ladies and gentlemen, is the end result of our being far too tolerant of the Chinee man and allowing him to get ideas above his station.


China and the world must prevent English genocide against the brave Scottish people.
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Belgarion on May 17th, 2022 at 2:50pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:30am:

Belgarion wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:27am:

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 2:43am:

athos wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
British people are relearning origin dialects to help preserve the language. I doubt that Scottish people will forget their heritage any time soon.

Scotland is an English colony like Australia.
China will liberate both Scotland and Australia from English occupation.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJO0jxBtMo


So unfair. And here we were waiting for the old boy to liberate us with his stool.

Oh well, better luck next war, no? After the Muselman, Athos, you're next.

Colonialism ended far too soon, no?


Scottish ancestors came in Scotland from China and Russia so China and Russia
have right to protect them and liberate them from English brutal occupation.


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
:)


What we have in athos the sock, ladies and gentlemen, is the end result of our being far too tolerant of the Chinee man and allowing him to get ideas above his station.


Please don't be ignorant and refer to my link.
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
Thank you
:)

Proof the Chinee have invaded white peoples lands. 

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 6:07pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm:
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.


You must be pro-English by the law because Australian is still a British colony with English monarch and British flag.
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by MeisterEckhart on May 17th, 2022 at 7:09pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm:
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.


You must be pro-English by the law because Australian is still a British colony with English monarch and British flag.
:)

Ah, Chinelish.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by Frank on May 17th, 2022 at 7:24pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm:
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.


You must be pro-English by the law because Australian is still a British colony with English monarch and British flag.
:)


We speak the same language!!!  YAY!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaqsOL-Nv24


Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by athos on May 17th, 2022 at 7:30pm

Frank wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm:
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.


You must be pro-English by the law because Australian is still a British colony with English monarch and British flag.
:)


We speak the same language!!!  YAY!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaqsOL-Nv24


That's why Anglos need to be reeducated and denazified.
:)

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2022 at 7:32pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 3:01pm:
I would be pretty frickin' sure that the African, Pakistani and Middle Eastern people moving to Britain are doing more damage in terms of genocide than what the English could ever do to the Scottish.


You must be pro-English by the law because Australian is still a British colony with English monarch and British flag.
:)


I speak the language. That does not mean that I am pro-English. Nor do I consider anyone British other than the monarch to have any influence over Australia.

Title: Re: See you Jimmy ... Scottish language dying
Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2022 at 7:34pm

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
That's why Anglos need to be reeducated and denazified.
:)


Did you ever consider that the Chinese, who seem to all look alike, are rather bland people? No variety in how people look, act, and behave. Really, a terrible society to live in.

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