This is a claim you occasionally see - trying to dismiss the backwardness we see in the Middle East and North Africa as a temporary historical accident, with the implication that it will be short lived.

The truth is, Muslims conquered the most advanced society the world had ever seen. Western civilisation was largely constrained to North Africa and the Middle east for the first ten thousand years or so, and only became centred in Southern Europe a few centuries before Islam arose. Despite this massive head start, and despite Muhammad's ability to achieve any social change he wanted to in his lifetime, Islam has been playing "catchup" for 1400 years. And, John reassures us, it is still just playing catchup and will join the rest of the world soon - despite taking what was the most advanced civilisations and turning it today into one of the most backwards and oppressive.


freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 10:56am: issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:50pm: That's the point, but your question will get you into serious trouble in Islam. Such a question in a Catholic country will not. Some cultures are just better than others. Now .. but ask that question only a few hundred years ago and you would have been burned at the stake. Islam is still  playing  catchup Society improved under Christianity pretty much from the beginning. 1400 years is a long time to be catching up, especially seeing as Muhammad was in a position to make the same improvements already achieved in Christian societies while he was still alive. Instead, he chose to make it worse. 1400 years later and they would still rather slaughter fellow Muslims than live under democracy.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:10am: Society improved under Christianity pretty much from the beginning. tell that to all the people that were killed in it's name.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:17am:

trying to dismiss the backwardness we see in the Middle East and North Africa as a temporary historical accident,

more stupidity from FD where he pretends people have said something other than what they have said     ;D ;D ;D                           

How long do you think it will be playing catchup for?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:24am:

How long do you think it will be playing catchup for?

Probably not as long as you'll keep lying about what people actually say

Do you think it has been playing catchup for 1400 years?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:27am:

Do you think it has been playing catchup for 1400 years?

I don't  spend my time obsessing about Islam.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:27am: Do you think it has been playing catchup for 1400 years? I don't  spend my time obsessing about Islam.

Is there anyone else here who spends as much time as you defending and excusing it?

Are you trying to distance yourself from your "catchup" theory?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Is there anyone else here who spends as much time as you defending and excusing it?

I don't defend Islam, I'm opposed to any organised religion. I just make fun off your stupidity on the subject. It's a little light entertainment.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:47am:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:45am: Is there anyone else here who spends as much time as you defending and excusing it? I don't defend Islam, I'm opposed to any organised religion. I just make fun off your stupidity on the subject. It's a little light entertainment.

It must be very trying for you to decide who you are going to vote for at election time, all the parties are allowing organized religion

Do you do what I do, follow your conscience and abstain from voting?

It's got to a stage now where millions of voters puke when entering a voting booth. We could change the name to AEC Puke booths

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:47am:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:45am: Is there anyone else here who spends as much time as you defending and excusing it? I don't defend Islam, I'm opposed to any organised religion. I just make fun off your stupidity on the subject. It's a little light entertainment.

You defend Islam. You excuse it. But you cannot take yourself too seriously, because you know you are lying.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:17am:

This is a claim you occasionally see - trying to dismiss the backwardness we see in the Middle East and North Africa as a temporary historical accident, with the implication that it will be short lived. The truth is, Muslims conquered the most advanced society the world had ever seen. Western civilisation was largely constrained to North Africa and the Middle east for the first ten thousand years or so, and only became centred in Southern Europe a few centuries before Islam arose. Despite this massive head start, and despite Muhammad's ability to achieve any social change he wanted to in his lifetime, Islam has been playing "catchup" for 1400 years. And, John reassures us, it is still just playing catchup and will join the rest of the world soon - despite taking what was the most advanced civilisations and turning it today into one of the most backwards and oppressive.

This is essentially bullshit LOL.  The claim is bullshit.  A fair claim is that Islam is younger, but not that it's 'playing catchup'.  Some of the richest nations on earth are Muslim ones, but wealth is not proof of civilisation.

Muslims want to behead a woman who quoted their religious scriptures:

https://www.opindia.com/2022/05/islamists-issue-death-threats-to-nupur-sharma-prophet-muhammad-aisha-what-islamic-scriptures-say/

Islamists issue death threats to BJP spokesperson Nupur Sharma: What she said and what the Islamic scriptures say

There are reliable Islamic hadiths that support the assertion that the Islamic prophet married Aisha when she was just six. According to the revered Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70, ‎"The Prophet ﷺ married Aisha when she was six years old, and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 11:17am: This is a claim you occasionally see - trying to dismiss the backwardness we see in the Middle East and North Africa as a temporary historical accident, with the implication that it will be short lived. The truth is, Muslims conquered the most advanced society the world had ever seen. Western civilisation was largely constrained to North Africa and the Middle east for the first ten thousand years or so, and only became centred in Southern Europe a few centuries before Islam arose. Despite this massive head start, and despite Muhammad's ability to achieve any social change he wanted to in his lifetime, Islam has been playing "catchup" for 1400 years. And, John reassures us, it is still just playing catchup and will join the rest of the world soon - despite taking what was the most advanced civilisations and turning it today into one of the most backwards and oppressive. This is essentially bullshit LOL.  The claim is bullshit.  A fair claim is that Islam is younger, but not that it's 'playing catchup'.  Some of the richest nations on earth are Muslim ones, but wealth is not proof of civilisation.

Why are they wealthy?

And what claim is BS? Do you think Islam is going backwards rather than catching up?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 3:17pm:

Why are they wealthy? And what claim is BS? Do you think Islam is going backwards rather than catching up?

Show me on the doll where Islam hurt you? Did the hot girls at school all prefer Middle Eastern boys?

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

It must be very trying for you to decide who you are going to vote for at election time, all the parties are allowing organized religion

Not really.Whilst I'm opposed to it, I don't care if others need to believe i n a mystical sky fairy if it helps them sleep. Whatever rocks their world.  Just don't shove it in my face.


freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

You defend Islam. Y

No, I mock you.  If that comes across as defending Islam than all the better because I know how much that bothers you.

How far behind do you think Islam is?

Never mind that Islam is made up of many different tribes, all of which are steeped in superstition, misogyny, and almost incredible cruelty to transgressors. Christianity brought about the abolition of African slavery in both Americas. Islam never started an abolitionist movement, and practiced castration of slaves up until the spread of European military during WW1. Afghanistan today is a good example of what Islam becomes when left to its own devices. Islam isn't catching up, its going backwards. But hold everything, Islam catching up implies it needs to, and that is something Progressive Multiculturalists deny.

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Christianity brought about the abolition of African slavery in both Americas.

And Europe before that. And Muslim countries afterwards. The Muslim countries never abolished slavery without pressure from outside, non-Muslim countries, and never showed any signs of doing so. They cannot do, because to ban slavery, rape etc is to suggest that Muhammad did something immoral. The best they can do is be dragged along and have the muftis mutter something silly about slavery not being appropriate for the present circumstances. Any anti-slavery movement in Muslim society is neutered, just like their slaves, by the fear of being beheaded as an apostate for the mere suggestion that slavery is inherently wrong.

Which is why we see elaborate moral tapdancing from even the most moderate Muslims like Gandalf when this same question is put to them. And which is why even today Muslims are literally waging war in an effort to re-establish sex slavery as the basis for their perfect Muslim society. And which is why, without interference from non-Muslims, those "tiny minority" of "bad apple" Muslims would have won.