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Message started by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am

Title: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:35am
The current corrupt Supreme courts days should be numbered.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mortdooley on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:17am
As reported by the Melbourne AGE today...

The United States Supreme Court has overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark
1973 decision which recognised Americans' constitutional right to abortion and
legalised it  nationwide, handing a momentous victory to Republicans and religious
conservatives

who want to limit or ban the procedure.  The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.

The majority of justices found Roe v Wade was wrongly decided because the
US constitution makes no specific mention of abortion.

It will now be up to individual states to decide if abortion is legal.

A draft version of the ruling written by conservative Justice Samuel Alito indicating
the court was likely to overturn Roe v Wade was leaked in May, igniting a political
firestorm.

"The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly
protected by any constitutional provision," Mr Alito wrote in the ruling.

Roe v Wade recognised that the right to personal privacy under the US Constitution
protected a woman's ability to terminate her pregnancy. The Supreme Court in a 1992
ruling called Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v Casey reaffirmed
abortion rights and prohibited laws imposing an "undue burden" on abortion access.

"Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak,
and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a
national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have inflamed debate and
deepened  division," Mr Alito added.
_______________________________________________________________________
                                   

—Is this the beginning of the end for American democracy?  The Bush-appointed Alito
has been one of the most rabid of the right-wing Republicans to sit on the SCOTUS. 
He's been on the bench for too long at 17 years, and is too old for the job at 72 years.
Alito's entire term on the Court has been one of disruption and divisiveness, with a
total lack of bipartisan thought.

A central tenet of the SCOTUS jurisprudence is stare decisis, that once  the Court
has ruled on something, it is settled law and is entitled to permanence,  even if
later courts may disagree with it. That is particularly true where you have a  50-year
long established precedent like Roe.

Alito and the four justices who are reportedly ready to rule with him are sending the
Supreme Court down that same slippery slope. And they are sending a dangerous
message: If Roe can be tossed out, then any Supreme Court precedent is in jeopardy.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:37am

Quote:
The majority of justices found Roe v Wade was wrongly decided because the
US constitution makes no specific mention of abortion.


This is in contradiction with the 9th amendment that specifically states that rights do not have to be specifically mentioned in the constitution. The Ninth amendment is clearly breached in this ruling. It also means that at least 2 supreme court justices perjured themselves in their appointment hearings. The ones who declared that Roe V Wade was settled law when this decision is based on it not being settled law. They along with Justice Thomas should be impeached. Cavanaugh should be properly investigated and if he is proven to have lied should be prosecuted and impeached for that as well.

There are also a number of other rights in this same position.

An example would be the current interpretation of the second amendment that does not say that guns are for personal and home protection. That right is not part of the constitution. The right to bare arms is all. nothing about an unlimited right.

Here have a pop gun satisfies what is actually protected directly by the words of the constitution by the constitution.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:41am
As this unfolds, it will be quite a ride: support for Roe v Wade has been consistent over the decades. That can't be ignored.

The two most recent additions to the SCOTUS publicly stated that:

Amy Coney Barret in confirmation hearing: "Cases [like Roe] are so well settled that no political actors and no people seriously push for their overruling."

So she and Kavanaugh lied.

The women's movement has just been reinvigorated as has the Democratic Party.

In the short term, this is a win for the GOP. In the long run they lose.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:46am
LGBTQ rights are next. That is for sure.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:47am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


The same SCOTUS that said yesterday that states don’t have the ability to regulate guns today gave states the power to regulate women’s bodies.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:52am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:17am:
As reported by the Melbourne AGE today...

The United States Supreme Court has overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark
1973 decision which recognised Americans' constitutional right to abortion and
legalised it  nationwide, handing a momentous victory to Republicans and religious
conservatives

who want to limit or ban the procedure.  The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.

The majority of justices found Roe v Wade was wrongly decided because the
US constitution makes no specific mention of abortion.

It will now be up to individual states to decide if abortion is legal.

A draft version of the ruling written by conservative Justice Samuel Alito indicating
the court was likely to overturn Roe v Wade was leaked in May, igniting a political
firestorm.

"The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly
protected by any constitutional provision," Mr Alito wrote in the ruling.

Roe v Wade recognised that the right to personal privacy under the US Constitution
protected a woman's ability to terminate her pregnancy. The Supreme Court in a 1992
ruling called Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v Casey reaffirmed
abortion rights and prohibited laws imposing an "undue burden" on abortion access.

"Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak,
and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a
national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have inflamed debate and
deepened  division," Mr Alito added.
_______________________________________________________________________
                                   

—Is this the beginning of the end for American democracy?  The Bush-appointed Alito
has been one of the most rabid of the right-wing Republicans to sit on the SCOTUS. 
He's been on the bench for too long at 17 years, and is too old for the job at 72 years.
Alito's entire term on the Court has been one of disruption and divisiveness, with a
total lack of bipartisan thought.

A central tenet of the SCOTUS jurisprudence is stare decisis, that once  the Court
has ruled on something, it is settled law and is entitled to permanence,  even if
later courts may disagree with it. That is particularly true where you have a  50-year
long established precedent like Roe.

Alito and the four justices who are reportedly ready to rule with him are sending the
Supreme Court down that same slippery slope. And they are sending a dangerous
message: If Roe can be tossed out, then any Supreme Court precedent is in jeopardy.



Quote:
then any Supreme Court precedent is in jeopardy


The Gun Law just overturned had been in place since Roosevelt was President - Over 100 Years. These dishonest crooks have no respect for anything. Just doing the bidding of the masters who gave them their job. No Honesty or integrity at all.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 2:09am
BREAKING: Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 2:49am
The USA now has forced birth but it doesn’t have mandatory maternity leave or a sensible, reasonably priced healthcare system. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 4:28am
Pence is calling for a national abortion ban. Cuntslices like Morty and Panther always thought this was a "State's Right" issue. So laf.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by random on Jun 25th, 2022 at 5:25am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:46am:
LGBTQ rights are next. That is for sure.


And Bobby wants to ban then for here as well!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:41am
USA, land of the hypocrites.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Bobby. on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Bobby. on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:11am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.



Can't you count?

A woman knows after 4 weeks that she's missed her period.
Then if she gets a test in the following week that equals 5 weeks -
which is within the time frame I nominated of maximum 6 weeks.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:31am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.



Can't you count?

A woman knows after 4 weeks that she's missed her period.
Then if she gets a test in the following week that equals 5 weeks -
which is within the time frame I nominated of maximum 6 weeks.


Uh... you also said "even 3 weeks when possible".  WTF?

And you're obviously unaware of the irregularity of many women's
menstrual cycles.  You seem to think that they happen precisely
every 4 weeks. 

Their periods might occur (say) every three to 5 weeks, and last
anything from a couple of days to seven days.  Your 6-week time
frame probably wouldn't work in most cases.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40am
America is going to explode like it did in 1968.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:07am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


I posted this at 4 am lol

Yep, the right are scum that hate women and society. They've said contraception and gay marriage are next.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:08am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.



Can't you count?

A woman knows after 4 weeks that she's missed her period.
Then if she gets a test in the following week that equals 5 weeks -
which is within the time frame I nominated of maximum 6 weeks.


I am not astonishing you don't know a damn thing about women's bodies. Paying for access in 30 minutes increments has not educated you

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:08am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.


I believe that it's legal to birth, but that's a sensible window after which it needs to be medically necessary

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:13am
Rapists have more protection than those who are raped. Welcome to Republican America.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:14am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:48am:

Quote:
The court, in a 6-3 ruling, upheld a
Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks.


15 weeks is far too late.
Abortions should be done in the first 6 weeks -
even 3 weeks when possible.


Why is 15 weeks "too late"?

Under what clinical considerations do you make that
claim.  Here in Australia, it's legal up to 24 weeks. 

Many women don't even know they're pregnant until
they do a pregnancy test after their first missed period.



Can't you count?

A woman knows after 4 weeks that she's missed her period.
Then if she gets a test in the following week that equals 5 weeks -
which is within the time frame I nominated of maximum 6 weeks.


I am not astonishing you don't know a damn thing about women's bodies. Paying for access in 30 minutes increments has not educated you


You don't know Bobby very well do you?  ;D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:16am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


You just hate women.. I'm thrilled because I hope this plus Trump ends Republicans and saves America

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:16am
Under his eye.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:17am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:14am:
You don't know Bobby very well do you?  ;D


Is he gay? I thought he might be

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:17am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:13am:
Rapists have more protection than those who are raped. Welcome to Republican America.



Can't remember the state but a rapist was just granted custody somewhere over there.

I'll see if i can find the link.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:16am:
Under his eye.


I've written to female friends offering asylum

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:17am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:14am:
You don't know Bobby very well do you?  ;D


Is he gay? I thought he might be



Repressed. Self-loathing.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


My God, you are so incredibly thick.

Abortion has nothing to do with children.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:17am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:14am:
You don't know Bobby very well do you?  ;D


Is he gay? I thought he might be



Repressed. Self-loathing.


Yes if so

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:18am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


My God, you are so incredibly thick.

Abortion has nothing to do with children.




What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1656080854/30#30]

My God, you are so incredibly thick.

Abortion has nothing to do with children.
[/quote]
The right always has two things. Hate and lies.
No one on the right wants to give single mothers money. They don't care about children

Christ these forums are a nightmare on a phone. Just some responsive CSS, please.....

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:21am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?


He means women are careless if they have sex outside marriage, or enjoy sex in any way

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:22am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?


He means women are careless if they have sex outside marriage, or enjoy sex in any way


Or get raped, pressured or coerced.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:23am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:22am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?


He means women are careless if they have sex outside marriage, or enjoy sex in any way


Or get raped, pressured or coerced.


What was she wearing???!!!

The right are filth

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:28am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:23am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:22am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?


He means women are careless if they have sex outside marriage, or enjoy sex in any way


Or get raped, pressured or coerced.


What was she wearing???!!!

The right are filth


The rise of the right in the US is horrifying to watch.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, something broke in the world when Trump was elected.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:33am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:28am:
The rise of the right in the US is horrifying to watch.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, something broke in the world when Trump was elected.


Absolutely but I am hoping they've stepped too far. 85% of Americans support abortion rights.  I hope Republicans just lost the midterms

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:33am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.


The ones with brains know they are about to be wiped out

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:34am
Another Dred Scott decision.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:36am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:34am:
Another Dred Scott decision.


If I was governor of California, I'd make abortions free and encourage women to get abortions so that the Republicans caused MORE babies to die

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:28am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:23am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:22am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
What's more. why are the mother's "careless" and not the fathers?


He means women are careless if they have sex outside marriage, or enjoy sex in any way


Or get raped, pressured or coerced.


What was she wearing???!!!

The right are filth


The rise of the right in the US is horrifying to watch.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, something broke in the world when Trump was elected.


This shyte started happening years ago.

I bet divorce law is next on the list. Can’t have uppity women leaving the marriage!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn;t catching.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:39am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn;t catching.


Without the electoral college, Republicans would never win.  85% support some abortion rights.  It's not a popular movement.  It's a Christian Taliban

Apparently abortion is OK under sharia law


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:42am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:39am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn;t catching.


Without the electoral college, Republicans would never win.  85% support some abortion rights.  It's not a popular movement.  It's a Christian Taliban

Apparently abortion is OK under sharia law



The Christian Taliban that is gaining traction because Trumpards are in their corner over most issues they're agitating against.

They are fuelled and enabled by this.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:43am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:42am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:39am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn;t catching.


Without the electoral college, Republicans would never win.  85% support some abortion rights.  It's not a popular movement.  It's a Christian Taliban

Apparently abortion is OK under sharia law



The Christian Taliban that is gaining traction because Trumpards are in their corner over most issues they're agitating against.

They are fuelled and enabled by this.


Trump was an extremist candidate, so they think extremism is on the table

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:43am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


And careless dads.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:46am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:43am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 12:27am:
Guns really do have more rights than women in the USA.


Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!


And careless dads.


The right assume they have the right to sex, but women who have sex are evil.  The boys were not careless, they have needs. And look, the 15 year old was drunk when she was raped, and did you see what she was wearing?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:49am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:43am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:42am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:39am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn;t catching.


Without the electoral college, Republicans would never win.  85% support some abortion rights.  It's not a popular movement.  It's a Christian Taliban

Apparently abortion is OK under sharia law



The Christian Taliban that is gaining traction because Trumpards are in their corner over most issues they're agitating against.

They are fuelled and enabled by this.


Trump was an extremist candidate, so they think extremism is on the table




Yep. As i said, something broke in the world/

Have you read Nathan J. Robinson's piece on Jordan Peterson? Titles "The Intellectual We Deserve". It's quite brilliant. Here's a link:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve/


Similarly, Trump was the POTUS the US deserved. Now it's on.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:50am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn't catching.


Very, very dark days.

DeSantis has recently overtaken Trump in a poll on the preferred GOP candidate for the 2024 Presidential election.

DeSantis is every bit as evil, immoral, and corrupt as Trump, however, he's not as stupid (let's face it, who is?).

DeSantis has the potential to do what Trump couldn't. i.e. get (evil) things done.

I'd hate to be living in the US today.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:50am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn't catching.


Very, very dark days.

DeSantis has recently overtaken Trump in a poll on the preferred GOP candidate for the 2024 Presidential election.

DeSantis is every bit as evil, immoral, and corrupt as Trump, however, he's not as stupid (let's face it, who is?).

DeSantis has the potential to do what Trump couldn't. i.e. get (evil) things done.

I'd hate to be living in the US today.



And Biden just isn't strong enough to hold it all back.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:55am

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:50am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn't catching.


Very, very dark days.

DeSantis has recently overtaken Trump in a poll on the preferred GOP candidate for the 2024 Presidential election.

DeSantis is every bit as evil, immoral, and corrupt as Trump, however, he's not as stupid (let's face it, who is?).

DeSantis has the potential to do what Trump couldn't. i.e. get (evil) things done.

I'd hate to be living in the US today.



And Biden just isn't strong enough to hold it all back.


God no - he'll be destroyed in 2024 (if he runs).

If DeSantis wins (and at this stage, I can't see any other possibility), the US will be set back another 150 years (as it has been today).


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:50am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn't catching.


Very, very dark days.

DeSantis has recently overtaken Trump in a poll on the preferred GOP candidate for the 2024 Presidential election.

DeSantis is every bit as evil, immoral, and corrupt as Trump, however, he's not as stupid (let's face it, who is?).

DeSantis has the potential to do what Trump couldn't. i.e. get (evil) things done.

I'd hate to be living in the US today.


My American friends who didn't leave when Trump won are talking about leaving now


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:55am:
God no - he'll be destroyed in 2024 (if he runs).

If DeSantis wins (and at this stage, I can't see any other possibility), the US will be set back another 150 years (as it has been today).


They should have gone with Bernie

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:01am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:55am:
God no - he'll be destroyed in 2024 (if he runs).

If DeSantis wins (and at this stage, I can't see any other possibility), the US will be set back another 150 years (as it has been today).


They should have gone with Bernie



Love Bernie.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:02am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:50am:

mothra wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:37am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:30am:
I think, if I were a Republican politician, I would not want this to happen because the women's movement just got a huge, huge boost. Instead, I would have continued to chip away at reproductive rights around the edges ... I mention this because I do think there are many unhappy politicians in the GOP right now, fearful of the future.



The same ones that chewed their nails on the edges through Trump's crazy, despotic reign?

I've little faith in them.

There is a popular movement sweeping the US. Led and fuelled by absolute idiots.

And while the SCOTUS remains what it is, well, i think the US are looking towards dark days.

I just hope it isn't catching.


Very, very dark days.

DeSantis has recently overtaken Trump in a poll on the preferred GOP candidate for the 2024 Presidential election.

DeSantis is every bit as evil, immoral, and corrupt as Trump, however, he's not as stupid (let's face it, who is?).

DeSantis has the potential to do what Trump couldn't. i.e. get (evil) things done.

I'd hate to be living in the US today.


My American friends who didn't leave when Trump won are talking about leaving now


Can't blame them.

If the corrupt/criminal Republicans win in November this year, and DeSantis wins in 2024, the country is finished.

I feel so sorry for all the decent Americans.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:02am:
Can't blame them.

If the corrupt/criminal Republicans win in November this year, and DeSantis wins in 2024, the country is finished.

I feel so sorry for all the decent Americans.


Most don't want it, the system is corrupt.  But yes, Democrats needed to do more to cut the evil out and in that sense, it's on all of them

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:15am
👇 Wow! Impressive. Love DeSantis 👍



Born in Jacksonville, DeSantis spent most of his childhood in Dunedin, Florida. He graduated from Yale University and Harvard Law School. DeSantis joined the United States Navy in 2004, where he was promoted to lieutenant before serving as an advisor to SEAL Team One and being deployed to Iraq in 2007. When he returned to the U.S. a year later, the U.S. Department of Justice appointed DeSantis to serve as a Special Assistant U.S. attorney at the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Middle District of Florida, a position he held until his honorable discharge in 2010.

DeSantis was first elected to Congress in 2012, defeating his Democratic opponent Heather Beaven. During his tenure, he became a founding member of the Freedom Caucus and was an ally of President Donald Trump. DeSantis frequently criticized Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He briefly ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, but withdrew when incumbent senator Marco Rubio sought reelection.

During his 2018 gubernatorial campaign, DeSantis emphasized his support of Trump. He won the Republican nomination in August, and chose state representative Jeanette Nuñez as his running mate. The close results of the general election between DeSantis and the Democratic nominee, Tallahassee mayor Andrew Gillum, triggered a machine recount. DeSantis was certified the winner with a 0.4% margin of victory.

During the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis resisted imposing restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders, and vaccination requirements. In May 2021, he signed into law a bill that prohibited businesses, schools, cruise ships, and government entities from requiring proof of vaccination. In March 2022, DeSantis signed into law Florida House Bill 1557, which prohibits instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in public school classrooms from kindergarten to grade 3.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:17am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:15am:
👇 Wow! Impressive. Love DeSantis 👍



Born in Jacksonville, DeSantis spent most of his childhood in Dunedin, Florida. He graduated from Yale University and Harvard Law School. DeSantis joined the United States Navy in 2004, where he was promoted to lieutenant before serving as an advisor to SEAL Team One and being deployed to Iraq in 2007. When he returned to the U.S. a year later, the U.S. Department of Justice appointed DeSantis to serve as a Special Assistant U.S. attorney at the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Middle District of Florida, a position he held until his honorable discharge in 2010.

DeSantis was first elected to Congress in 2012, defeating his Democratic opponent Heather Beaven. During his tenure, he became a founding member of the Freedom Caucus and was an ally of President Donald Trump. DeSantis frequently criticized Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He briefly ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, but withdrew when incumbent senator Marco Rubio sought reelection.

During his 2018 gubernatorial campaign, DeSantis emphasized his support of Trump. He won the Republican nomination in August, and chose state representative Jeanette Nuñez as his running mate. The close results of the general election between DeSantis and the Democratic nominee, Tallahassee mayor Andrew Gillum, triggered a machine recount. DeSantis was certified the winner with a 0.4% margin of victory.

During the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis resisted imposing restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders, and vaccination requirements. In May 2021, he signed into law a bill that prohibited businesses, schools, cruise ships, and government entities from requiring proof of vaccination. In March 2022, DeSantis signed into law Florida House Bill 1557, which prohibits instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in public school classrooms from kindergarten to grade 3.


You'd love him then? You can't say why this is good, but surely you think it is?


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:26am

DeSantis killed so many Floridians with his COVID inaction.

As I said, he's every bit as evil as Trump - the alleged child rapist - but he's nowhere near as stupid, which means he knows how to get things done (or not done).



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:40am
Well, supposedly Trump "was right about everything."

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms.

https://archive.ph/wlt9w#selection-379.0-379.157

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:48am

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Well, supposedly Trump "was right about everything."

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms.

https://archive.ph/wlt9w#selection-379.0-379.157


I'm surprised he has this much self awareness but not shocked that he was so stupid to not see this coming

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:50am
I can think of 5 Supreme Court Justices who will never enjoy another peaceful meal at a restaurant.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:52am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:48am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Well, supposedly Trump "was right about everything."

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms.

https://archive.ph/wlt9w#selection-379.0-379.157


I'm surprised he has this much self awareness but not shocked that he was so stupid to not see this coming


This is what I mean: he's incredibly evil, but mind-numbingly stupid.

DeSantis, as evil, corrupt, criminal, and immoral as he is, isn't particularly stupid - he won't make mistakes like this.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:52am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:48am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Well, supposedly Trump "was right about everything."

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms.

https://archive.ph/wlt9w#selection-379.0-379.157


I'm surprised he has this much self awareness but not shocked that he was so stupid to not see this coming


This is what I mean: he's incredibly evil, but mind-numbingly stupid.

DeSantis, as evil, corrupt, criminal, and immoral as he is, isn't particularly stupid - he won't make mistakes like this.


I said all along the USA was very lucky their first fascist president was an idiot.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:48am:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Well, supposedly Trump "was right about everything."

Trump Privately Called a Roe v. Wade Reversal ‘Bad’ for His Party

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump had been remarkably tight-lipped. But privately, he worried the decision could lead to a backlash in the midterms.

https://archive.ph/wlt9w#selection-379.0-379.157


I'm surprised he has this much self awareness but not shocked that he was so stupid to not see this coming



Pretty much my exact thoughts.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:58am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am:
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.


Not that it will matter.

The criminal Republicans have learned from their mistakes in 2020, and will probably be able to successfully overturn the election results in 2024.

The US is in real trouble.




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:58am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am:
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.


Not that it will matter.

The criminal Republicans have learned from their mistakes in 2020, and will probably be able to successfully overturn the election results in 2024.

The US is in real trouble.


They are already working to fix elections.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jun 25th, 2022 at 5:41pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:58am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am:
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.


Not that it will matter.

The criminal Republicans have learned from their mistakes in 2020, and will probably be able to successfully overturn the election results in 2024.

The US is in real trouble.


They are already working to fix elections.

After the DNC broke them in 2020 nobody thought that they could be fixed again.....The Republicans will surely fix them in time for 2024.....

You sound Russian....Are you Russian?



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 5:53pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:58am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am:
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.


Not that it will matter.

The criminal Republicans have learned from their mistakes in 2020, and will probably be able to successfully overturn the election results in 2024.

The US is in real trouble.


They are already working to fix elections.


Indeed they are.

And they don't even try to hide it.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:58am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:53am:
It's going to be toxic at the midterms,  but there may just be enough gerrymandering and other deceptive tactics used by the GOP that it won't matter.

But with ROE v WADE overturned, a Federal Ban is on the agenda if the Republicans get the numbers.

This has to be stopped at all costs because SSM will be next and practically every bit of progress that's been made over the last 50+ years is at risk.

If nothing else, it's going to make everyone on the left pay attention and vote.


Not that it will matter.

The criminal Republicans have learned from their mistakes in 2020, and will probably be able to successfully overturn the election results in 2024.

The US is in real trouble.


They are already working to fix elections.


Indeed they are.

And they don't even try to hide it.

:D :D :D :D

Not allowing another election fraud is a 'fix'! 

The US should have a uniform, Federal election system for Federal office holders like Prez, VP and the like, rather than a mish-mash of state based systems, some more open to fraud and chicanery than others. They should seriously consider establishing an AEC - American Electoral Commission along the lines of the Australian model.
And make turning up to vote compulsory.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by random on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:11pm
America is buggered, it has been confirmed.

These findings were released today after a recent report from literally everyone else in the world who are currently sitting back watching the empire crumble with dropped jaws.

The study has found that not only is America buggered, but they are also unbelievably delusional in the way they pretend they aren’t buggered.

This comes as cities begin burning in response to law enforcement officers killing people needlessly, in a trend that looks like it might be more linked to the race of the victims than the incompetence of the officers.

Over 100,000 US citizens have died in the last three months due to COVID-19 – a highly contagious illness that has seen an outbreak in millions of cases that their politicians have tried to blame on everyone except themselves.

With a health system that can charge up to $500 for a flu shot, and a minimum wage that is well under $10 an hour in some states, the concept of ‘making it America’ seems less and less likely for anyone whose parents weren’t generationally wealthy construction barons in New York City.

As their nation’s entire economy looks likely to collapse for the second time in a decade, the whole world is now sitting back nervously and waiting to see where they will decide to go to war next. The country’s only proven method for recovering from a recession.

At time of press, close to 6 million people had been diagnosed with Coronavirus. Almost 2 million more people than the entire population of New Zealand.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/report-america-is-buggered/

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:18pm

random wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:11pm:
America is buggered, it has been confirmed.

These findings were released today after a recent report from literally everyone else in the world who are currently sitting back watching the empire crumble with dropped jaws.

The study has found that not only is America buggered, but they are also unbelievably delusional in the way they pretend they aren’t buggered.

This comes as cities begin burning in response to law enforcement officers killing people needlessly, in a trend that looks like it might be more linked to the race of the victims than the incompetence of the officers.

Over 100,000 US citizens have died in the last three months due to COVID-19 – a highly contagious illness that has seen an outbreak in millions of cases that their politicians have tried to blame on everyone except themselves.

With a health system that can charge up to $500 for a flu shot, and a minimum wage that is well under $10 an hour in some states, the concept of ‘making it America’ seems less and less likely for anyone whose parents weren’t generationally wealthy construction barons in New York City.

As their nation’s entire economy looks likely to collapse for the second time in a decade, the whole world is now sitting back nervously and waiting to see where they will decide to go to war next. The country’s only proven method for recovering from a recession.

At time of press, close to 6 million people had been diagnosed with Coronavirus. Almost 2 million more people than the entire population of New Zealand.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/report-america-is-buggered/




America has always over come adversity, this is just another challenge that
America will overcome.....Americans thrive on challenges....




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jake Winker Frogen on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:22pm

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:50am:
I can think of 5 Supreme Court Justices who will never enjoy another peaceful meal at a restaurant.



LOL!

Very true AIA.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:31pm


::) ::)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:33pm

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:50am:
I can think of 5 Supreme Court Justices who will never enjoy another peaceful meal at a restaurant.



LOL!

Very true AIA.


Just like after the school shootings of the past......within a short, say six months, within a short period of time Americans let them fall by the wayside.....out of sight, out of mind.....Americans will dust themselves off, & gear up for the challenges of the future...not forgetting the past, but they know that you get nowhere on the highway of life continually staring into the rear view mirror....they will focus on the road ahead....that's their future....

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:57pm
Where abortion is still legal in the US after the fall of Roe v Wade and what the decision means for medication abortion 8-)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:58pm

Panther wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:33pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 9:50am:
I can think of 5 Supreme Court Justices who will never enjoy another peaceful meal at a restaurant.



LOL!

Very true AIA.


Just like after the school shootings of the past......within a short, say six months, within a short period of time Americans let them fall by the wayside.....out of sight, out of mind.....Americans will dust themselves off, & gear up for the challenges of the future...not forgetting the past, but they know that you get nowhere on the highway of life continually staring into the rear view mirror....they will focus on the road ahead....that's their future....


They won't do a damn thing to stop the next school shooting because they are idiots?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Gordon on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:36pm
Sometimes I wade for roe
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Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40pm

I assume we all hope and pray that none of the judges responsible for this have daughters who will be raped by AIDS-infested family members in the future.

Thoughts & prayers.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40pm:
I assume we all hope and pray that none of the judges responsible for this have daughters who will be raped by AIDS-infested family members in the future.

Thoughts & prayers.


It occurs to me that if a judge dies, Biden gets to replace them.  The whole system is broken, but why wouldn't someone game it?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40pm:
I assume we all hope and pray that none of the judges responsible for this have daughters who will be raped by AIDS-infested family members in the future.

Thoughts & prayers.


Don't be such a stupid turd, turd.


All this decision means is that it is up to the States to make laws about abortion since there is no mention of abortion as a universal right in the Federal Constitution.  Nothing is outlawed, nothing is made illegal, no right are curtailed.



It's just like WA making its own Covid rules. You did like that, didn't you, turd?? Not being ruled from Canberra.

Fkkn two-faced hypocritical shite.





Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:27pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40pm:
I assume we all hope and pray that none of the judges responsible for this have daughters who will be raped by AIDS-infested family members in the future.

Thoughts & prayers.


It occurs to me

:D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 26th, 2022 at 5:03am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 7:40pm:
I assume we all hope and pray that none of the judges responsible for this have daughters who will be raped by AIDS-infested family members in the future.

Thoughts & prayers.


No worries: affluent white Americans will continue to get all the abortions they want when they want.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 26th, 2022 at 5:39am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 1:00am:
...Unborn children deserve to have as much right to life as their careless mothers!

Superficially that may seem true, but doesn't take into consideration
a few other things.

Such as amniocentesis testing for genetic or chromosomal conditions
confirming a necessary termination, juvenile rape or incest, renal
or cardiac disease detected in the gravida, or simply to preserve
the woman's life as a priority.

Bear in mind that until a viable baby is delivered, it is not a "child". 
It's an embryo or a foetus.  By birth, only the lower portions of the
baby's nervous system (the spinal cord and brain stem) are very
well developed, whereas the higher regions—the limbic system and
cerebral cortex—are relatively primitive.

In fact breathing, heartbeat, circulation, sleeping, sucking, and
swallowing are the only capabilities of a newborn, controlled solely
by those lower neural centres.

The "unborn child" phrase is only used by the rabid right-to-life mob
as an emotive ploy.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 26th, 2022 at 5:55am

Frank wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
All this decision means is that it is up to the States to make laws about abortion since there is no mention of abortion as a universal right in the Federal Constitution.  Nothing is outlawed, nothing is made illegal, no right are curtailed.


I'd have to disagree with this.

Abortion has been banned in multiple US states just hours after Roe v Wade
was overturned.  Utah is among the first states to outlaw all abortions, joining
Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia, Alabama, and Ohio.

California, Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, North Carolina, and New Mexico
have all vowed to protect abortion rights.

By banning abortions outright, those affected states have curtailed people's
rights and civil liberties.  The SCOTUS claims that abortion rights are a
"Constitutional matter", which gives it the right to override State legislation.
This is bullshit, as the Constitution has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion.
Nor should it.    (Just as it has no constitutional rights over the open and/or
concealed carry state gun laws).

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 26th, 2022 at 8:43am
The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are.  The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it -  THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will,  campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by philperth2010 on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:07am
The States that restrict abortion will need to support a lot of unwanted children....I fail to see the logic in forcing woman to give birth after being raped....The long term repercussions will add to the poverty and degradation of American society!!!


Quote:
Louisiana Trigger Bill Criminalizes Abortions Even For Rape, Incest Cases


:( :( :(

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/louisiana-trigger-bill-criminalizes-abortions-even-for-rape-incest-cases/

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:17am

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:07am:
The States that restrict abortion will need to support a lot of unwanted children....I fail to see the logic in forcing woman to give birth after being raped....The long term repercussions will add to the poverty and degradation of American society!!!


Quote:
Louisiana Trigger Bill Criminalizes Abortions Even For Rape, Incest Cases


:( :( :(

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/louisiana-trigger-bill-criminalizes-abortions-even-for-rape-incest-cases/


Let the people of Louisiana change the law, they are the ONLY ones who have the power to make abortion law, not the Federal Congress in DC.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:20am

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 8:43am:
The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are.  The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it -  THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will,  campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.


The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.


Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.



There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.  

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition. 



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:40am

Panther wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 8:43am:
The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are.  The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it -  THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will,  campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.


The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.


Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.



There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.  

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition. 

You do not need constitutional amendment to make State laws about abortion - and a raft of other things that are not in Federal Congress's authority according to the constitution.

https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-8-3322343

The same principle holds in Australia which is why there are no federal abortion laws, only State laws.


"In Australia, abortion is protected at the state and territory level, we don't have a constitutional right to abortion," Human Rights Law Centre associate legal director Adrianne Walters said.

"In fact,  we don't have national comprehensive human rights protections in Australia, which is something a lot of people don't realise."

Abortion has been decriminalised in all jurisdictions except Western Australia, where it is still regulated by the Criminal Code.

Last year South Australia became the final state apart from WA to move abortion from criminal law into healthcare legislation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-26/roe-v-wade-australia-abortion-law-access-not-guaranteed/101183518

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jun 26th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:40am:

Panther wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 8:43am:
The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are.  The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it -  THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will,  campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.


The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.


Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House  must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.



There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.  

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.   

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition. 

You do not need constitutional amendment to make State laws about abortion - and a raft of other things that are not in Federal Congress's authority according to the constitution.

https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-8-3322343


True.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2022 at 11:40am:
...Abortion has been decriminalised in all jurisdictions except Western Australia, where it is still regulated by the Criminal Code.


This is not as bad as it sounds.  In Western Australia, since  May 1998,
abortions have been allowed on request, with a referral from a doctor,
up to 20 weeks of pregnancy.

In actuality, legal terminations were available in Western Australia from
the early 1980s.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 27th, 2022 at 7:06am
Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills
Good luck with that, bitch

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Jun 27th, 2022 at 7:32am

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by issuevoter on Jun 27th, 2022 at 7:50am
It remains to be seen how this issue affects elections. Even though Trump is preaching to his choir about the SC decision, he has been quoted as saying it may not pan-out well for Republicans.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:19am
INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session



We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear.  I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dXLj4YYKAA_0Mg


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:00am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:19am:
INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session



We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear.  I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dXLj4YYKAA_0Mg


Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:07am

AiA wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 7:06am:
Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills
Good luck with that, bitch

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869


Unbelievable how divisive and socially destructive this moron is.  Never
having heard of her, I checked her Wiki entry, and was duly disgusted. 
She stands for everything that most enlightened, rational, sane people
would abhor.  It escapes me how someone still living in a 1950's black
and white television era could've even been elected. 

What the flying f**k is wrong with the residents of South Dakota?

I can only assume that Noem was the result of an unsuccessful abortion?


Quote:
Elected as an ally of Donald Trump, Noem explicitly refused to follow the
guidance of medical experts during the COVID-19 pandemic, and did not
enact any of the standard public health and safety protections used in
other states. She did not implement face mask mandates, raised doubts
about the efficacy of mask-wearing, encouraged large gatherings without
social distancing or mask-wearing, and questioned public health experts'
advice.


[As of 20 June 2022, South Dakota has a COVID death rate of
332 per 100,000 people v. Mississippi at 420 and Utah at 150.]

Needless to say, Noem is anti-abortion. She supports the anti-abortion
group Susan B. Anthony List, and has said she intends to maintain her
100% anti-abortion voting record.


Quote:
Noem has signed several bills restricting abortion, saying that the bills
would "crack down on abortion providers in South Dakota". She also
said, "A strong and growing body of medical research provides evidence
that unborn babies can feel, think, and recognize sounds in the womb.
These are people, they must be given the same basic dignities as anyone
else.


Nope, the human embryo is not a "people".  If it were, the IRS would tax it LOL.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:12am

AiA wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:19am:
INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session



We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear.  I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dXLj4YYKAA_0Mg


Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Oh? So rioting and attacking a Senate building is NOT an insurrection if it's motivated by a SCOTUS decision?
Or if it's BLM rioting, looting, burning. 

The Dems, as with BLM,  are now urging and agitating people to go on the streets and disregard the highest court of the land.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:13am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:12am:

AiA wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:19am:
INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session



We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear.  I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dXLj4YYKAA_0Mg


Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Oh? So rioting and attacking a Senate building is NOT an insurrection if it's motivated by a SCOTUS decision?
Or if it's BLM rioting, looting, burning. 

The Dems, as with BLM,  are now urging and agitating people to go on the streets and disregard the highest court of the land.


Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:18am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:07am:

AiA wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 7:06am:
Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills
Good luck with that, bitch

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869


Unbelievable how divisive and socially destructive this moron is.  Never
having heard of her, I checked her Wiki entry, and was duly disgusted. 
She stands for everything that most enlightened, rational, sane people
would abhor.  It escapes me how someone still living in a 1950's black
and white television era could've even been elected. 

What the flying f**k is wrong with the residents of South Dakota?

I can only assume that Noem was the result of an unsuccessful abortion?


Quote:
Elected as an ally of Donald Trump, Noem explicitly refused to follow the
guidance of medical experts during the COVID-19 pandemic, and did not
enact any of the standard public health and safety protections used in
other states. She did not implement face mask mandates, raised doubts
about the efficacy of mask-wearing, encouraged large gatherings without
social distancing or mask-wearing, and questioned public health experts'
advice.


[As of 20 June 2022, South Dakota has a COVID death rate of
332 per 100,000 people v. Mississippi at 420 and Utah at 150.]

Needless to say, Noem is anti-abortion. She supports the anti-abortion
group Susan B. Anthony List, and has said she intends to maintain her
100% anti-abortion voting record.

[quote]Noem has signed several bills restricting abortion, saying that the bills
would "crack down on abortion providers in South Dakota". She also
said, "A strong and growing body of medical research provides evidence
that unborn babies can feel, think, and recognize sounds in the womb.
These are people, they must be given the same basic dignities as anyone
else.


Nope, the human embryo is not a "people".  If it were, the IRS would tax it LOL.


[/quote]


And the people of South Dakota will be able to vote her out of office on 8 Nov 2022 if they wish.

That's one of the important aspects of this whole issue, as stressed by the SCOTUS decision - let the people, not unelected judges decide.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:20am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:18am:
That's one of the important aspects of this whole issue, as stressed by the SCOTUS decision - let the people, not unelected judges decide.


No, Frank, that isn't the most important aspect at all.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:33am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:19am:
INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session[/size]We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear.  I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.


I think the Tweet from Kelly Townsend is a total overreaction.


Quote:
Arizona Department of Public Safety statements said state troopers launched
the gas as some in a group of 7,000 to 8,000 people that rallied at the Capitol
on Friday night were trying to break into the state Senate.

The vast majority of people were peaceful and state police said there were
no arrests or injuries. While both abortion opponents and abortion rights backers
were there, most of the crowd opposed the high court’s decision.

Police fired tear gas at about 8:30PM. as dozens of people pressed up against
the glass wall at the front of the Senate building, chanting and waving signs
backing the right to abortion. While most were peaceful, a handful of people
were banging on the windows, and one person forcefully tried to kick in a sliding
glass door.


—Townsend is just a Noem clone.  Apparently they have to share the same brain
   between them LOL.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:51am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:18am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:07am:
Unbelievable how divisive and socially destructive this moron is.  Never
having heard of her, I checked her Wiki entry, and was duly disgusted... 
 

And the people of South Dakota will be able to vote her out of office on 8 Nov 2022 if they wish.

That's one of the important aspects of this whole issue, as stressed by the SCOTUS decision - let the people, not unelected judges decide.


I don't think that's really the point Frank.  By November, South Dakota's abortion
bans will be legislated, so it's not just a matter of voting Noem out—most likely to
be replaced with another anti-abortion state governor anyway.  The state is the
tenth-most Republican in the US. Since 1889, South Dakota has voted Democratic
only four times in presidential elections. In the 2020 presidential election, 62% of
electors voted Republican.

The other problem is that the SCOTUS has effectively taken the wishes of we the
people
out of the democratic equation by an illegitimate decision overturning Roe.
The current SCOTUS is top heavy with Republican/conservative/far-right/Christian
judges.  It's no longer impartial by any means, nor is it apolitical.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:57am

 
 
From this morning's Melbourne AGE...


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:01am

Frank wrote on Jun 25th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
All this decision means is that it is up to the States to make laws about abortion since there is no mention of abortion as a universal right in the Federal Constitution.  Nothing is outlawed, nothing is made illegal, no right are curtailed.


I wonder why Justice Thomas, the dickhead who said that other previous court decisions that took the power away from the states like same sex marriage and laws about access to contraception should be looked at again, didn't also apply that comment interracial marriage laws?

Could it have to do with the fact that his own marriage is only legal because of the supreme courts precedent in Loving v Virginia? Is justice Thomas a self serving lying hypocrite? Absobuggerenlutely. 

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:13am
BREAKING: Oklahoma Democrat announces that he’s planning to introduce a bill that will “mandate that each male, when they reach puberty, get a mandatory vasectomy that's only reversible when they reach the point of financial and emotional stability.”

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by The Heartless Felon on Jun 27th, 2022 at 11:20am
I don't know which state this loonie wants to govern, but this is what she had to say about the reversal...

Sarah Huckabee Sanders after her gubernatorial primary win: "We will make sure that when a kid is in the womb, they're as safe as they are in a classroom."

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jun 27th, 2022 at 11:49am
The US is slowly following the Talibans lead in how it treats women

How long before the right demand their women wear those mail box outfits? ::)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Linus on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 11:49am:
The US is slowly following the Talibans lead in how it treats women

How long before the right demand their women wear those mail box outfits? ::)


It's pretty vile when the state thinks it can govern something as personal as women's reproductive rights.  :(

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:14pm

Linus wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 11:49am:
The US is slowly following the Talibans lead in how it treats women

How long before the right demand their women wear those mail box outfits? ::)


It's pretty vile when the state thinks it can govern something as personal as women's reproductive rights.  :(



rethuglicans are no better than the taliban

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Linus on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Linus wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 11:49am:
The US is slowly following the Talibans lead in how it treats women

How long before the right demand their women wear those mail box outfits? ::)


It's pretty vile when the state thinks it can govern something as personal as women's reproductive rights.  :(



rethuglicans are no better than the taliban


They've become a rogue party. They cry about the Constitution when it suits but they were perfectly willing to torch it to keep in power under Trump. Republican's are the most dangerous party on the planet.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by issuevoter on Jun 27th, 2022 at 1:31pm

AiA wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:13am:
BREAKING: Oklahoma Democrat announces that he’s planning to introduce a bill that will “mandate that each male, when they reach puberty, get a mandatory vasectomy that's only reversible when they reach the point of financial and emotional stability.”


It comes with the Consent App.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Bobby. on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:34pm
It's fully explained here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61804777

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm

Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm:
Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.


Reading on.....



New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

Miller’s spokesman said the Illinois Republican had intended to say the decision was a victory for a “right to life”. The line as delivered was out of step with the disproportionate impact the repeal of abortion rights will have on women of colour.


Ah,

Turdy beat up.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm:
Turdy beat up.


and you're stupid enough to believe her excuse?  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Vangard on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 9:59am
[media width=892]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjENTSp-Dag[/media]

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:17am

Vangard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 9:59am:
[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjENTSp-Dag[]

This will mainly be considered a victory in the southern states of the US - home to easily the most backward, puritanical white trash in the western world.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm:
Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.


Reading on.....



New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

Miller’s spokesman said the Illinois Republican had intended to say the decision was a victory for a “right to life”. The line as delivered was out of step with the disproportionate impact the repeal of abortion rights will have on women of colour.


Ah,

Turdy beat up.


Except that's what the whole anti-abortion stance is all about, "the great replacement", keeping whites the majority in the US etc.

Its entire foundation is racism.

This idiot just said the quiet part out loud, to thundering applause I might add,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZPTd1rA1U

If you can't wrap your head around it, let Jane Elliot explain it to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLsRNaH4Q_E

So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 11:13am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm:
Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.


Reading on.....



New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

Miller’s spokesman said the Illinois Republican had intended to say the decision was a victory for a “right to life”. The line as delivered was out of step with the disproportionate impact the repeal of abortion rights will have on women of colour.


Ah,

Turdy beat up.


Except that's what the whole anti-abortion stance is all about, "the great replacement", keeping whites the majority in the US etc.

Its entire foundation is racism.

This idiot just said the quiet part out loud, to thundering applause I might add,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZPTd1rA1U

If you can't wrap your head around it, let Jane Elliot explain it to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLsRNaH4Q_E

So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?



Not at all.  Blacks have a higher rate of abortion than whites.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/

As to the replacement, that is something Muslims have been saying about their takeover of Europe - by immigration and out-breeding the native Europeans  - it is not some fantasy but a stated aim.

American - and Australian - demography is also changing, by immigration and fertility rates. This is an interesting topic and shouting 'racism' simply to avoid discussing it is stupid but totally expected from progs.

But abortion law is not race based in America, Australia or in any other Western, white-majority country, so introducing 'wacism' into abortion debate is another proggy attempt to shut people up.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 4th, 2022 at 1:27pm


Spoke to God earlier today.

She said: "Any woman who refuses to stand up for her own reproductive rights/bodily autonomy while attacking those women who do immediately loses her right to be outraged about ANYTHING."

She then made a cake appear.

And it was good.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by stunspore on Jul 4th, 2022 at 2:56pm
Well,
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/us-mum-refused-abortion-despite-baby-being-nonviable-with-life/news-story/aa953e4487e62800930b23667347a26b

An unfortunate consequence leading to increased suffering and no gain.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 4th, 2022 at 5:46pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 1:27pm:
Spoke to God earlier today.



and how Mrs Nemo doing today ? ;D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:28pm

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 11:13am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm:
Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.


Reading on.....



New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

Miller’s spokesman said the Illinois Republican had intended to say the decision was a victory for a “right to life”. The line as delivered was out of step with the disproportionate impact the repeal of abortion rights will have on women of colour.


Ah,

Turdy beat up.


Except that's what the whole anti-abortion stance is all about, "the great replacement", keeping whites the majority in the US etc.

Its entire foundation is racism.

This idiot just said the quiet part out loud, to thundering applause I might add,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZPTd1rA1U

If you can't wrap your head around it, let Jane Elliot explain it to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLsRNaH4Q_E

So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?



Not at all.  Blacks have a higher rate of abortion than whites.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/

As to the replacement, that is something Muslims have been saying about their takeover of Europe - by immigration and out-breeding the native Europeans  - it is not some fantasy but a stated aim.


Aha. So it's not the Jigaboo but the Muselman, eh? Backward, tribal, reflexive - tinted. Inferior in every way.

So unfair of the progs to silence you, old boy. Do you know what you are?

You're a culture warrior,. Most brave. There's the awful pwogwessive milk monitors calling you a naughty old wacist, and there you are agreeing with them. Sorry - disagreeing.

Sorry, disagreeing with their very premise. How very dare they? You're not trying to ban everybody, just the tinted races and their hideous apologists. What's wrong with that?

You're no racist, old boy, you're a culturalist. Superior culture, innit.

Colonialism ended far too soon.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:35pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 11:13am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 2:35pm:
Trump ally Mary Miller calls Roe decision ‘victory for white life’

New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

They're not even trying to hide it any more.


Reading on.....



New York: US Republican Mary Miller, speaking at a rally with former President Donald Trump, called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v Wade a “victory for white life”.

Miller’s spokesman said the Illinois Republican had intended to say the decision was a victory for a “right to life”. The line as delivered was out of step with the disproportionate impact the repeal of abortion rights will have on women of colour.


Ah,

Turdy beat up.


Except that's what the whole anti-abortion stance is all about, "the great replacement", keeping whites the majority in the US etc.

Its entire foundation is racism.

This idiot just said the quiet part out loud, to thundering applause I might add,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZPTd1rA1U

If you can't wrap your head around it, let Jane Elliot explain it to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLsRNaH4Q_E

So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?



Not at all.  Blacks have a higher rate of abortion than whites.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/

As to the replacement, that is something Muslims have been saying about their takeover of Europe - by immigration and out-breeding the native Europeans  - it is not some fantasy but a stated aim.


Aha. So it's not the Jigaboo but the Muselman, eh? Backward, tribal, reflexive - tinted. Inferior in every way.

So unfair of the progs to silence you, old boy. Do you know what you are?

You're a culture warrior,. Most brave. There's the awful pwogwessive milk monitors calling you a naughty old wacist, and there you are agreeing with them. Sorry - disagreeing.

Sorry, disagreeing with their very premise. How very dare they? You're not trying to ban everybody, just the tinted races and their hideous apologists. What's wrong with that?

You're no racist, old boy, you're a culturalist. Superior culture, innit.

Colonialism ended far too soon.

Good to see you agreeing with me, paki.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:57pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Whoa, paki, not so fast.   You accused Sowell of defending wacism, based on your stupid and lazy Wiki. I showed you your lazy stupidity. So back up your moronic accusation first before casually switching to some other moronic smear.

There is 10 rupees in it for you, boy, and mebbe some bananas.  Start tapdancing.




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 4th, 2022 at 10:45pm

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Whoa, paki, not so fast.   You accused Sowell of defending wacism, based on your stupid and lazy Wiki. I showed you your lazy stupidity. So back up your moronic accusation first before casually switching to some other moronic smear.

There is 10 rupees in it for you, boy, and mebbe some bananas.  Start tapdancing.


Don't want to say, eh?

We know how it goes. First you get all toosh. How very dare you call us racist, you dirty tinted Paki, you say, we never confessed to any racism.

Oh, of course, we say, how unfair. Please excuse us. So are you racist?

Not so fast, you say, first you have to ask us nicely.

I see, we say, so sorry. If you really wouldn't mind, do you think you may, if I may be so blunt, be just a little bit racist?

Fuck off, you say, first you fess up to being a dirty black cunt.

Okay, we say, I'm a dirty Pakistani Bastard, a real cunt. Are you a racist?

Wait up, you say, and on and on it goes. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a naughty old tease. You do so love being rogered, no?

Are you a racist?

Ooh!


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:10am

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Whoa, paki, not so fast.   You accused Sowell of defending wacism, based on your stupid and lazy Wiki. I showed you your lazy stupidity. So back up your moronic accusation first before casually switching to some other moronic smear.

There is 10 rupees in it for you, boy, and mebbe some bananas.  Start tapdancing.


Don't want to say, eh?

We know how it goes. First you get all toosh. How very dare you call us racist, you dirty tinted Paki, you say, we never confessed to any racism.

Oh, of course, we say, how unfair. Please excuse us. So are you racist?

Not so fast, you say, first you have to ask us nicely.

I see, we say, so sorry. If you really wouldn't mind, do you think you may, if I may be so blunt, be just a little bit racist?

Fuck off, you say, first you fess up to being a dirty black cunt.

Okay, we say, I'm a dirty Pakistani Bastard, a real cunt. Are you a racist?

Wait up, you say, and on and on it goes. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a naughty old tease. You do so love being rogered, no?

Are you a racist?

Ooh!



Everyone is a "wacist" to a wee Gujarati Scot bufty like you who mindlessly and automatically accuses even a black man like Sowell as a "wacist". That reflex stupidly- hastily gleaned and deployed from Wiki - is just an empty cliche and shows that it is nothing but a lazy, all- purpose attack stick for the unthinking. If Sowell is racist then everyone is and the terms of your understanding of "racist" is all-encompassing and includes everyone.
That's how stupid your question is.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:21am

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Whoa, paki, not so fast.   You accused Sowell of defending wacism, based on your stupid and lazy Wiki. I showed you your lazy stupidity. So back up your moronic accusation first before casually switching to some other moronic smear.

There is 10 rupees in it for you, boy, and mebbe some bananas.  Start tapdancing.


Don't want to say, eh?

We know how it goes. First you get all toosh. How very dare you call us racist, you dirty tinted Paki, you say, we never confessed to any racism.

Oh, of course, we say, how unfair. Please excuse us. So are you racist?

Not so fast, you say, first you have to ask us nicely.

I see, we say, so sorry. If you really wouldn't mind, do you think you may, if I may be so blunt, be just a little bit racist?

Fuck off, you say, first you fess up to being a dirty black cunt.

Okay, we say, I'm a dirty Pakistani Bastard, a real cunt. Are you a racist?

Wait up, you say, and on and on it goes. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a naughty old tease. You do so love being rogered, no?

Are you a racist?

Ooh!



Everyone is a "wacist" to a wee Gujarati Scot bufty like you who mindlessly and automatically accuses even a black man like Sowell as a "wacist". That reflex stupidly- hastily gleaned and deployed from Wiki - is just an empty cliche and shows that it is nothing but a lazy, all- purpose attack stick for the unthinking. If Sowell is racist then everyone is and the terms of your understanding of "racist" is all-encompassing and includes everyone.
That's how stupid your question is.


Sowell? Wacist?

Why, old boy, all Sowell ever did was say how not wacist Mr Trump is.

Sowell's no racist, dear boy. He's not wacist.

You?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 5th, 2022 at 11:57am

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:21am:

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 10:28am:
So, Frank, why doesn't it sound like racism to you?


Frank doesn't believe in racists, Sad. Frank is a post-racist.

That's where we gave in to the tinted races by ending colonialism and now they want to take over. That's the Jigaboos for you. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

Typical.

Frank, you see, is just trying to take back what's his. Why can't Frank have some rights once in a while? Is that too much to ask? Why can't Frank have a non-tinted country? If they can have one, why not he?

So unfair. The leftards just want to shut Frank up, but he's not having it. So what if he's a racist? Sorry - post-racist? They have feelings too, you know. Why should the leftards get to be the ones banning and silencing everybody? Well, two can play at that game.

If you're not careful, Frank will make up lots of krap and spread it on the internet.

The leftards only have themselves to blame, you know.



I am with this black chappie, against all your idiotic grimacing, paki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzML4LC0xA


But of course you are.


Quote:
During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?

you, of course.


"I've seen no hard evidence,” Sowell said the racism complaint lobbed at Trump. “And, unfortunately, we’re living in a time where no one expects hard evidence. You just repeat some familiar words and people will react pretty much the way Pavlov’s dog was conditioned to react to certain sounds.”


Just so, old boy. We have no evidence you're a racist too, ya? Does that mean it's not true? I'm curious.

I mean, a lot of people are saying it. Look, we'll clear this up once and for all, shall we? Are you a naughty old racist?

Over to you.

Whoa, paki, not so fast.   You accused Sowell of defending wacism, based on your stupid and lazy Wiki. I showed you your lazy stupidity. So back up your moronic accusation first before casually switching to some other moronic smear.

There is 10 rupees in it for you, boy, and mebbe some bananas.  Start tapdancing.


Don't want to say, eh?

We know how it goes. First you get all toosh. How very dare you call us racist, you dirty tinted Paki, you say, we never confessed to any racism.

Oh, of course, we say, how unfair. Please excuse us. So are you racist?

Not so fast, you say, first you have to ask us nicely.

I see, we say, so sorry. If you really wouldn't mind, do you think you may, if I may be so blunt, be just a little bit racist?

Fuck off, you say, first you fess up to being a dirty black cunt.

Okay, we say, I'm a dirty Pakistani Bastard, a real cunt. Are you a racist?

Wait up, you say, and on and on it goes. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a naughty old tease. You do so love being rogered, no?

Are you a racist?

Ooh!



Everyone is a "wacist" to a wee Gujarati Scot bufty like you who mindlessly and automatically accuses even a black man like Sowell as a "wacist". That reflex stupidly- hastily gleaned and deployed from Wiki - is just an empty cliche and shows that it is nothing but a lazy, all- purpose attack stick for the unthinking. If Sowell is racist then everyone is and the terms of your understanding of "racist" is all-encompassing and includes everyone.
That's how stupid your question is.


Sowell? Wacist?

Why, old boy, all Sowell ever did was say how not wacist Mr Trump is.

Sowell's no racist, dear boy. He's not wacist.

You?

Very ackward tapdancing there, Mustaphaken. You think Trump is wacist. Sowell doesn't. My standing with Sowell on such matters catches me out as silly in your rheumatic, watery, unfocused eyes:



Quote:
[quote]During interviews in 2019, Sowell defended Trump against charges of racism.[56][57]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Who's a silly old boy then?
Mustaphaken Twatterati [/quote]

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?

Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're not racist.

So unfair, no?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?

Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're not racist.

So unfair, no?

I said I stand with the black chappie, Sowell.

You are doing quite an imitation of FutureWanker, paki. He inspires you, I can see that - when too much fcckwittery is barely enough, ja?  Tap dance on.




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?

Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're not racist.

So unfair, no?

I said I stand with the black chappie, Sowell.

You are doing quite an imitation of FutureWanker, paki. He inspires you, I can see that - when too much fcckwittery is barely enough, ja?  Tap dance on.


Thomas Sowell is a front bottom.  So is Candace Owens.  You think because some black people are scum, it's not racist for you to be scum.  You're wrong

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:38pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?

Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're not racist.

So unfair, no?

I said I stand with the black chappie, Sowell.

You are doing quite an imitation of FutureWanker, paki. He inspires you, I can see that - when too much fcckwittery is barely enough, ja?  Tap dance on.


Thomas Sowell is a front bottom. 



Can you identify ANY particular view of his that is wrong?  Or do we need to wait until you get bv back to your 'library'?


Paki, you called your FutureWank friend in a great haste there. Tsk, tsk. You needed the intellectual reinforcement, ja?   :D :D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 5th, 2022 at 7:55pm

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:38pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?

Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're not racist.

So unfair, no?

I said I stand with the black chappie, Sowell.

You are doing quite an imitation of FutureWanker, paki. He inspires you, I can see that - when too much fcckwittery is barely enough, ja?  Tap dance on.


Thomas Sowell is a front bottom. 



Can you identify ANY particular view of his that is wrong?  Or do we need to wait until you get bv back to your 'library'?


Paki, you called your FutureWank friend in a great haste there. Tsk, tsk. You needed the intellectual reinforcement, ja?   :D :D


Oh, you've clearly put him in his place there, old boy. Very droll. Poor old Future's stuck on which part of denying Dear Leader's devout racism is wrong. What next?

Asking him what's wrong with Birtherism? Pizzagate? Trump's four years in office?

What a journey. That's what's so cunning, you see. Nobody knows how to respond. Your howlers render them speechless.

Good show, old boy, good show.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by lee on Jul 6th, 2022 at 6:42pm
The problem is that abortion was listed as a privacy issue.
"The misgivings from late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg regarding Roe v. Wade and its susceptibility to come under attack may have ultimately been proven right given the revelations around a leaked opinion draft from the Supreme Court.

The alleged internal document, obtained by Politico, shows that the conservative-majority SCOTUS has provisionally approved to strike down the landmark 1973 ruling that ensures abortion is a constitutional right across the country, along with a subsequent 1992 decision, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which largely upheld the decision.

While it may seem unlikely, Ginsburg, the pioneering advocate for women's rights who died in September 2020 at age 87, was a frequent critic of Roe v. Wade, especially its framing and the speed in which it was pushed through.

In a much-quoted lecture she gave at New York University in 1992, Ginsburg noted how Roe was an example of how "Doctrinal limbs too swiftly shaped...may prove unstable." "

"Ginsburg was in essence disagreeing with Roe's base argument that the right to abortion was based on the privacy of a woman with her doctor, and not a violation of equal protection as guaranteed by the Constitution."

https://www.newsweek.com/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade-abortion-scotus-1702948

Ginsberg was a feminist. All Congress has to do is pass a law on abortion rather than passing it on to unelected officials to oversee.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 6th, 2022 at 7:39pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?


Of course he's not.

Some, I assume, are good people.

Nobody's done more for the blacks than Trump.

Everybody's saying it.




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 6th, 2022 at 10:48pm
Interesting that the supreme court have made 4 contentious rulings in the last 2 weeks and all have had a religious basis and all on the same side of the same religion.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 10:48pm:
Interesting that the supreme court have made 4 contentious rulings in the last 2 weeks and all have had a religious basis and all on the same side of the same religion.

The US is the only remaining western nation where cultural (and puritanical) religiosity infests its societal sensibility and its politics.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 10:48pm:
Interesting that the supreme court have made 4 contentious rulings in the last 2 weeks and all have had a religious basis and all on the same side of the same religion.

The US is the only remaining western nation where cultural (and puritanical) religiosity infests its societal sensibility and its politics.


Yes but the supreme court is there to protect the constitution and much of this is in clear breach of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Ah, so you think Mr Trump's not racist too, eh?


Of course he's not.

Some, I assume, are good people.

Nobody's done more for the blacks than Trump.

Everybody's saying it.


That's true, Greggery. A Jigaboo said it. Do you see?

The old boy cannot possibly be racist. Some of his best friends are Jigaboos, yes?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 11:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2022 at 10:48pm:
Interesting that the supreme court have made 4 contentious rulings in the last 2 weeks and all have had a religious basis and all on the same side of the same religion.

The US is the only remaining western nation where cultural (and puritanical) religiosity infests its societal sensibility and its politics.


Yes but the supreme court is there to protect the constitution and much of this is in clear breach of the establishment clause of the first amendment.

There's the Constitution and then there's American societal religiosity.

Those judges live within that American milieu.

And it's not a first that the SCOTUS could be suspected of acceding to a mob. It was the SCOTUS that upheld 'separate but equal' did not violate the 14th Amendment.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AiA on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 9th, 2022 at 9:47am

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion


Just a thought......Post Exekitiv Order......Roe v Wade remains overturned.......All 50 States & the DC still have the Rights & Powers to decide all matters regarding abortion as the Supreme Court of the United States of America correctly decided......

So, how is 'Kiddie Sniffer Joey' going to enforce illegal abortions in those States where the people's legislatures have decided to severely restrict abortion?

He gunna wave his spayshill majik wand?


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:11am

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Sniffer Joey has got what gweggy has: Biden said: “There’s an increasing concern that extremist governors and others will try to....."


Extremists. Doesn't  fall in with your way of looking at things? Extremist.
Hyped extremists. Ultra hyper extreme extremists.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 11th, 2022 at 6:04pm
Banning abortion leads to increases in maternal death rates


Louisanna has a maternal death rate of 40.4 deaths per 100 000 births. In Australia it ranges from 5 to 8.4 per 100 000 births

this fuken moron of a rethuglican senators' response, when asked about it was that if they don't count black women, then the rate is similar to other areas



[url]In an interview with Politico, the following words came out of Cassidy’s mouth: “About a third of our population is African American; African Americans have a higher incidence of maternal mortality. So, if you correct our population for race, we’re not as much of an outlier as it’d otherwise appear. Now, I say that not to minimize the issue but to focus the issue as to where it would be. For whatever reason, people of color have a higher incidence of maternal mortality.”[/url]



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates


Is this guy for real? :D







Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jul 11th, 2022 at 7:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 6:04pm:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates


Is this guy for real? :D

A southern American piece of white trash, infested with cultural and/or personal uber-religiosity, of course he's for real.

I watched one of these trash making claims that non-Christians can't swear an oath in court because he thought a witness could only swear on the bible.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 11th, 2022 at 7:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 6:04pm:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates


Is this guy for real? :D

A southern American piece of white trash, infested with cultural and/or personal uber-religiosity, of course he's for real.

I watched one of these trash making claims that non-Christians can't swear an oath in court because he thought a witness could only swear on the bible.


the bible thumpers are always the least christian people you will meet.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by lee on Jul 11th, 2022 at 10:30pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:
it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights


"The majority of Democrats, including Lamont, supported the bill, but 10 members of the Black and Puerto Rican Caucus, including McGee, voted against the measure. The bill passed by 87-60 in the state House of Representatives and 25-9 in the Senate. State Rep. Laura Devlin of Fairfield, who is running for lieutenant governor on a ticket with gubernatorial candidate Bob Stefanowski, was among seven Republicans voting in favor of the bill.

Overall, 14 House Democrats voted against the abortion bill, joining with the majority of Republicans in opposition. McGee and others said that Black women make up only 14% of the child-bearing population but have 36% of abortions.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/abortion-politics-front-center-west-091900503.html

It crosses party lines. ::)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:51am

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 7:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 6:04pm:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortality-rates


Is this guy for real? :D

A southern American piece of white trash, infested with cultural and/or personal uber-religiosity, of course he's for real.

I watched one of these trash making claims that non-Christians can't swear an oath in court because he thought a witness could only swear on the bible.


the bible thumpers are always the least christian people you will meet.


The term religious right is an oxymoron - heavy on the moron bit.

The reality is that there is no such thing as a religious right.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:58am

lee wrote on Jul 11th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:
it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights


"The majority of Democrats, including Lamont, supported the bill, but 10 members of the Black and Puerto Rican Caucus, including McGee, voted against the measure. The bill passed by 87-60 in the state House of Representatives and 25-9 in the Senate. State Rep. Laura Devlin of Fairfield, who is running for lieutenant governor on a ticket with gubernatorial candidate Bob Stefanowski, was among seven Republicans voting in favor of the bill.

Overall, 14 House Democrats voted against the abortion bill, joining with the majority of Republicans in opposition. McGee and others said that Black women make up only 14% of the child-bearing population but have 36% of abortions.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/abortion-politics-front-center-west-091900503.html

It crosses party lines. ::)


Yes it always crossed party lines.

The original Roe V Wade decision was made by a republican majority of votes in the supreme court and supported by the republican and democrat party as a whole with members of both opposed to it as well.

As a state governor G Bush passes abortion laws. When he became President the Party opinion had changed so he then opposed abortion. Like so many he was happy to sit on both sides of the fence.

Even the religious opinion has changed when Roe V Wade first passed there was little religious opposition, the religious opposition only came after the republicans chose to make it a political issue.

One of the leading religious opponents to abortion only started his crusade about 7 years after Roe v Wade, that is for 6 years he really didn't think it was a problem.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:15am

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63m-6zxfUyE


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:23am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.


I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 12th, 2022 at 2:06am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.


I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.


I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:04pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 2:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.


I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.


I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.


It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:11pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........


The fact is, it was a weird way to give people a right they naturally should have.  And of course America hates women

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:46pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........


The fact is, it was a weird way to give people a right they naturally should have.  And of course America hates women


Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual American States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:47pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:46pm:
Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....



This is obviously bullshit.  But the fact some states hate women is clearly the main issue

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by lee on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:51pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
This is obviously bullshit. 


So you disagree with Ginsberg. Are you a lawyer too? ::)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm

lee wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
This is obviously bullshit. 


So you disagree with Ginsberg. Are you a lawyer too? ::)


The whole premise is bullshit TBH.  What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do?  Christ.

And the Supreme Court clearly is ideological, it uses legalese to pursue a political agenda

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:56pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:46pm:
Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....



This is obviously bullshit.  But the fact some states hate women is clearly the main issue


Then, the People of these States have the power to change their law, unlike the US Constitution process, by simply voting for legislatures that will change their local abortion legislation to say otherwise. Until then.......it's the State Law......don't like it.....move to a pro-abortion State....


God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless The United States Constitution............AMERICA............

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by lee on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:59pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
The whole premise is bullshit TBH.


What is bullshit? :-?



FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do? 


So amend the Constitution. That is where laws should be made. ::)
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
And the Supreme Court clearly is ideological, it uses legalese to pursue a political agenda


And that is why they shouldn't try to make laws that aren't in the Constitution. ::)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:01pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:56pm:
Then, the People of these States have the power to change their law, unlike the US Constitution process, by simply voting for legislatures that will change their local abortion legislation to say otherwise. Until then.......it's the State Law......don't like it.....move to a pro-abortion State....


Or a civilised country?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:02pm

lee wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
The whole premise is bullshit TBH.


What is bullshit? :-? I told you



FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do? 


So amend the Constitution. That is where laws should be made. ::)  Under this broken system, yes


FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
And the Supreme Court clearly is ideological, it uses legalese to pursue a political agenda


And that is why they shouldn't try to make laws that aren't in the Constitution. ::) Why not though? You didn't refute me




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Panther on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:04pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:56pm:
Then, the People of these States have the power to change their law, unlike the US Constitution process, by simply voting for legislatures that will change their local abortion legislation to say otherwise. Until then.......it's the State Law......don't like it.....move to a pro-abortion State....


Or a civilised country?


Anywhere,  except that State where they don't like the 'local' laws.....

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:11pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
This is obviously bullshit. 


So you disagree with Ginsberg. Are you a lawyer too? ::)


The whole premise is bullshit TBH.  What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime,



:D
Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.



47
It is thus apparent that at common law, at the time of the adoption of our Constitution, and throughout the major portion of the 19th century, abortion was viewed with less disfavor than under most American statutes currently in effect. Phrasing it another way, a woman enjoyed a substantially broader right to terminate a pregnancy than she does in most States today. At least with respect to the early stage of pregnancy, and very possibly without such a limitation, the opportunity to make this choice was present in this country well into the 19th century. Even later, the law continued for some time to treat less punitively an abortion procured in early pregnancy.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113/USSC_PRO_410_113_70-18

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:13pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.


Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by lee on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:40pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
So amend the Constitution. That is where laws should be made. Roll Eyes  Under this broken system, yes



Who said the system is broken? Merely that you don't like the laws? ;D ;D ;D ;D


FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
And that is why they shouldn't try to make laws that aren't in the Constitution. Roll Eyes Why not though? You didn't refute me



Because the SC is not responsible to the electorate. They are "unrepresentative swill".  They do not hold the nations morals or anything in their hands.;)

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:00pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.


Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.



Bollocks, piggy on ice. That is not what you said.



FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
The whole premise is bullshit TBH.  What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do?  Christ.


There is nothing sexist in the US  constitution. I doesn't  even mention sex.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.


Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Bollocks.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder, with excommunication as the punishment. Only 3 years later a new pope found the absolute sanction unworkable and again allowed early abortions. 300 years would pass before the Catholic church under Pius IX again declared all abortion murder. This standard, declared in 1869, remains the official position of the church, reaffirmed by the current pope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:05pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.


Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Bollocks.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder, with excommunication as the punishment. Only 3 years later a new pope found the absolute sanction unworkable and again allowed early abortions. 300 years would pass before the Catholic church under Pius IX again declared all abortion murder. This standard, declared in 1869, remains the official position of the church, reaffirmed by the current pope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/


It's weird how illiterate you are

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


and how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:37am

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


They didn't have to specifically;  it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and  80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.   




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:28am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


They didn't have to specifically;  it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and  80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.   




of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt   ::)

you could never convince them otherwise though :D :D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jake Winker Frogen on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:59pm
Like abortions are ever going to banned.

No more than booze.

There is a human an sane way to deal with the human condition and then there is the certain, half wit, prohibitionist way.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jake Winker Frogen on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:09pm
Time to invest in a back ally veterinarian clinic and coat hanger company in Mississippi.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jake Winker Frogen on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:10pm
Time to invest in a back ally veterinarian clinic and coat hanger company in Mississippi.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 19th, 2022 at 8:29am
At the time of the Revolution abortion was done eating certain herbs that were abortifacients. Usually helped by the local “witch.”

The religious right are going to regret Dobbs because there will be horror stories to come plus some that have already happened.

In Ohio a 10yo girl was raped and became pregnant as a result. Pregnancy was discovered 6 weeks and 3 days into to the oregnancy so no abortion was allowed under STUPID Ohio law. So she was driven to Indiana to a doctor there who helped the young girl. That doctor is under investigation now tho did nothing wrong.

In some states doctors will not treat ectopic pregnancies—too afraid of the huge fines and long jail time for helping a pregnant woman. There will be deaths because of this bullshit.

Similarly, already happened in Texas and Wisconsin that I know about, women that suffer miscarriages that do not completely expel the fetal tissue will not be helped while there is a fetal heartbeat.

This crap about “fetal heartbeat” at 6 weeks needs to be exposed. A fetus does not have a heart at 6 weeks, it is just electrical impulses. Nevertheless many women will be caught by this.


Who is going to be mainly affected by this evil law? Poor, mostly colored women. As regards to “saving babies” that woman being FORCED to give birth may lose the family she has now. Some states specifically excluse rape, incest AND THE LIFE OF THE WOMAN as reasons for aborting a pregnancy.

Dodds is all about control of women. That is the US, all about control.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:47pm
Whoever supports this is just scum:


Quote:
Here's the account from a New Orleans doctor, who was told by her hospital's lawyer she couldn't perform a D&E on a 16-weeks-pregnant woman whose water broke. Instead, she went through a "painful, hours-long labor to deliver a nonviable fetus, despite her wishes"



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Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:51pm

Quote:
Sam Karlin
@samkarlin
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13h
Replying to
@samkarlin
"She was screaming--not from pain, but from the emotional trauma she was experiencing," the doctor wrote. After delivering the fetus, she hemorrhaged and lost close to a liter of blood.

"There is absolutely no medical basis...to experience anything like this"


Scum puts women through this crap, not normal people.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 20th, 2022 at 7:18am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:47pm:
Whoever supports this is just scum...


_____________________________________________________________________________
This is just disgusting.  What a horrific scenario for the poor woman.
They should've video'd this and forced all justices on the Supreme
Court to watch it.  Would any of them have been happy were the
patient their wife or daughter?      I'm betting not.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Jul 20th, 2022 at 8:08am

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


and how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


Prayer, dear. It's okay though.

The old boy's pro-death.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Steampipe on Jul 20th, 2022 at 11:12am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20th, 2022 at 7:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:47pm:
Whoever supports this is just scum...


_____________________________________________________________________________
This is just disgusting.  What a horrific scenario for the poor woman.
They should've video'd this and forced all justices on the Supreme
Court to watch it.  Would any of them have been happy were the
patient their wife or daughter?      I'm betting not.


This is just milking the political angle.

No doctor would be charged if they protected their patient.

Just like it is against the law to drive over the speed limit but if you have a medical emergency and drive over the limit no policeman will charge you.

Lawyers advice will always be by the letter of the law.

I don't believe that this story is even true.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 20th, 2022 at 1:30pm
This is, apparently, “babies winning:”




Quote:
Last year, a 35-year-old woman named Amanda, who lives in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, had a miscarriage in the first trimester of her pregnancy. At a large hospital, a doctor performed a surgical procedure often used as a safe and quick method to remove tissue from a failed pregnancy.

She awoke from anesthesia to find a card signed by the nurses and a little pink and blue bracelet with a butterfly charm, a gift from the hospital to express compassion for her loss. “It was so sweet because it’s such a hard thing to go through,” Amanda said.

Eight months later, in January, Amanda, who asked to be identified by her first name to protect her privacy, experienced another first-trimester miscarriage. She said she went to the same hospital, Baylor Scott & White Medical Center, doubled over in pain and screaming as she passed a large blood clot.



But when she requested the same surgical evacuation procedure, called dilation and curettage, or D&C, she said the hospital told her no.



A D&C is the same procedure used for some abortions. In September 2021, in between Amanda’s two miscarriages, Texas implemented a law banning almost all abortions after six weeks into pregnancy.

Following the reversal of Roe v. Wade, numerous states are enacting bans or sharp restrictions on abortion. While the laws are technically intended to apply only to abortions, some patients have reported hurdles receiving standard surgical procedures or medication for the loss of desired pregnancies.

Amanda said the hospital didn’t mention the abortion law, but sent her home with instructions to return only if she was bleeding so excessively that her blood filled a diaper more than once an hour. Hospital records that Amanda shared with The New York Times noted that her embryo had no cardiac activity during that visit and on an ultrasound a week earlier. “She reports having a lot of pain” and “she appears distressed,” the records said.

“This appears to be miscarriage in process,” the records noted, but suggested waiting to confirm and advised a follow-up in seven days.



Once home, Amanda said, she sat on the toilet digging “fingernail marks in my wall” from the pain. She then moved to the bathtub, where her husband held her hand as they both cried. “The bathtub water is just dark red,” Amanda recalled. “For 48 hours, it was like a constant heavy bleed and big clots.”



She added, “It was so different from my first experience where they were so nice and so comforting, to now just feeling alone and terrified.”




https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/health/abortion-miscarriage-treatment.html



What scumbags think this is desirable or normal in the 21st century?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by 0ktema on Jul 20th, 2022 at 10:10pm
I found this passage from an essay, by the late English moral philosopher Sir Bernard Williams, to be particularly worthy of consideration when approaching the subject of abortion.

"Whether it is actually possible, in the long run, to have a society which combines full acceptance of liberal abortion institutions with humane attitudes to such things as birth, death and killing depends, in part, on whether it is genuinely possible for most people, without either self-deception or brutality, to feel that the killing of a foetus is something basically different from the killing of a separate human being: to feel that, not just to think it. Whether that is possible for most people I do not claim to know. But there is one significant piece of evidence on the subject which does not seem to be often mentioned: that there is a difference between the death of a foetus in early pregnancy, and the death of a separate human being.

This is a difference, above all, in the experience of women. A genuine psychological distinction, for most women, exists with regard to spontaneous abortion: for most women, to miscarry at two or three months is not at all the same experience as a stillbirth, or an infant dying in its first weeks. I speak of the emotional or psychological difference, not just of the obvious physical difference, though that itself no doubt contributes. If there is that difference with regard to spontaneous abortion, it is no good, on the question of induced abortion, advancing theories or fears which involve the consequence that the difference should not exist, that miscarriage and stillbirth should seem the same. Yet many moral theories about abortion do seem to have that consequence.

This is a point about the experience of women. In the end, this issue can only come back to the experience of women. This is not because their experiences are the only thing that count. It is because their experiences are the only realistic and honest guide we have to what the unique phenomenon of abortion genuinely is, as opposed to what moralists, philosophers and legislators say it is, It follows that their experience is the only realistic guide to what the deepest consequences will be of our social attitudes to abortion."


https://books.google.com.au/books?id=tW2YDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=Whether+it+is+actually+possible,+in+the+long+run,+to+have+a+society+which+combines+full+acceptance+of+liberal+abortion+institutions&source=bl&ots=044Y13daFq&sig=ACfU3U05CYOEgsTjBw6gi2AyqGt3JF5SeA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi13eLyr4f5AhWZTWwGHSfPAYwQ6AF6BAggEAM#v=onepage&q=Whether%20it%20is%20actually%20possible%2C%20in%20the%20long%20run%2C%20to%20have%20a%20society%20which%20combines%20full%20acceptance%20of%20liberal%20abortion%20institutions&f=false

Here is the 20min video on Roe vs Wade which led me to the above passage ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvPjY8MtbH8

I have developed vast respect for Vlad Vexler, his contributions to understanding the Russia/Ukraine crisis are outstanding!


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 21st, 2022 at 4:28am

Steampipe wrote on Jul 20th, 2022 at 11:12am:
...Just like it is against the law to drive over the speed limit but if you have a medical emergency and drive over the limit no policeman will charge you.

I couldn't find any confirmation of that.   Links please.

Legal Aid Victoria says you could be charged, initially, for breaking the speed limit.

In court, "you may have a defence if you had to speed because of an emergency,
for example if someone was critically ill in the car. The magistrate will decide if
your reason is good enough. You might also have a defence if you did not speed
voluntarily. For example, you had a seizure".

I understand it's more likely though that a police vehicle will provide you an escort
to the hospital, with lights and siren.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 21st, 2022 at 10:56am
Bernard Williams was very good at presenting the lay of the land of philosophical issues. He was very good at seeing and seeing through where various other philosophers were coming from. He was coming from an old left/Labour perspective himself.

I agree that a woman's experience is very significant but I cannot agree that it is is the "only realistic and honest guide we have to what the unique phenomenon of abortion genuinely is". Abortion affects others, not just the woman and secondly, a woman's experience is informed by a broader landscape of experiences and values around her. Making a baby and aborting it or bringing it into the world are not exclusive and private experiences of women alone.

Williams sets out the lay of the land and shows that there is, as always, a balance here and that balance is negotiated by various voices and parties, the woman's own being a very significant one.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by FutureTheLeftWant on Jul 21st, 2022 at 10:58am

Frank wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 10:56am:
Bernard Williams was very good at presenting the lay of the land of philosophical issues. He was very good at seeing and seeing through where various other philosophers were coming from. He was coming from an old left/Labour perspective himself.

I agree that a woman's experience is very significant but I cannot agree that it is is the "only realistic and honest guide we have to what the unique phenomenon of abortion genuinely is". Abortion affects others, not just the woman and secondly, a woman's experience is informed by a broader landscape of experiences and values around her. Making a baby and aborting it or bringing it into the world are not exclusive and private experiences of women alone.

Williams sets out the lay of the land and shows that there is, as always, a balance here and that balance is negotiated by various voices and parties, the woman's own being a very significant one.


Shouldn't you be considering which is Tucker Carlson's most compelling argument, to shame me once and for all?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Steampipe on Jul 21st, 2022 at 11:06am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 4:28am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 20th, 2022 at 11:12am:
...Just like it is against the law to drive over the speed limit but if you have a medical emergency and drive over the limit no policeman will charge you.

I couldn't find any confirmation of that.   Links please.

Legal Aid Victoria says you could be charged, initially, for breaking the speed limit.


In court, "you may have a defence if you had to speed because of an emergency,
for example if someone was critically ill in the car. The magistrate will decide if
your reason is good enough. You might also have a defence if you did not speed
voluntarily. For example, you had a seizure".

I understand it's more likely though that a police vehicle will provide you an escort
to the hospital, with lights and siren.


It will take less time for you to list all the people charged with driving over the speed limit when genuinely rushing someone to hospital.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by SadKangaroo on Jul 21st, 2022 at 3:28pm

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


No they don't, they just need to change how other parts of the constitution are interpreted, just like with the 2nd amendment. 

It never used to mean every person has the right to carry whatever gun they want, whenever they want and nobody can stop them, it meant what was written and the NRA even supported that too at one point helping shape legislation that came into law restricting weapons, which included a national registry for machine guns and sawed-off shotguns and taxing them heavily.

The constitution and the amendments mean bugger all, it's all how SCOTUS decides to interpret it, otherwise, only well-regulated militias would have the right to bear arms, not lone wolf gravy seals in meal team six.

All they need to do is set a new precedent.

It would be impossible to do today without either some folks 2nd amendmenting some of the current judges or by expanding the court to include more judges.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 21st, 2022 at 5:59pm
Abortion laws raise challenging moral questions. It’s not for judges to make up the bioethics of trimesters, viability, and the dividing line between foetus and human life. Rather, it is for people through their elected representatives to find the appropriate balance between the competing interests of women, the unborn child, and society’s moral compass. Legislatures legislate to make law; the judiciary applies law. Using the judiciary to resolve highly political contestation can increase social conflict. Only the democratic process can facilitate compromise and adjustment based on a rigorous assessment of the full range of policy considerations and carefully crafted exemptions and protections.

SCOTUS did not outlaw abortion or make a finding on the merits of abortion, only on whether the US Constitution confers a nationwide right to abortion. Answering in the negative, it returns the matter to the political arena of democratic contestation on a state-by-state basis. As has become distressingly commonplace, the extremists hog the bullhorns while the broad middle with nuanced views on this morally fraught issue retreats into self-silencing solitude. Some believe life begins at conception and all abortion is the slaughter of innocents. Others, that any woman has the right to choose abortion to the very edge of birth. Most believe that abortion should be available under some circumstances but vary on the nature of the restrictions.

The hysterical claptrap let loose on the world since the Dobbs v Jackson decision, ignores the legal nature of the decision, the simple statement that courts should stay out of this and leave it to the democratic process to resolve. Instead, the complexity of the issue is reduced to soundbites and bumper sticker slogans. ‘F— you, Supreme Court!’ was the thoughtful response, middle finger raised, from singer Janelle Monáe.

Ramesh Thakur

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 21st, 2022 at 6:09pm

Frank wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
only on whether the US Constitution confers a nationwide right to abortion.


no it didn't.

It overturned a 50 yr ruling on a womans right to privacy ... a right afforded to women by the 14th amendment. They basically argued that the 14th amendment didn't apply against state abortion laws. The rethuglican puppets currently in the supreme court don't care about the constitution .. for them this was about politics.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:03am
Woman Terrified She May Have To Actually Use One Of The Dozens Of Cheap, Readily Available Methods of Birth Control In Post-Roe America

GRAND RAPIDS, MI — Thousands of women around the country are being forced to face a terrifying new reality in which they actually have to use one of the dozens of cheap, readily available methods of birth control in post-Roe America.

"For the first time, my habit of having unprotected sex with a different Tinder date every week to fill the empty hole in my soul may have consequences," said local concerned woman Sandra Tibbensburg. "I can't be bothered to stop at the gas station and pay three bucks for a pack of Trojans every time I go to a sleepover at a strange man's house! This is literally The Handmaid's Tale."

Some women are even going further, taking the drastic step of avoiding sex altogether outside the bonds of marriage. "I can't believe it has come to this point, but I may have to start being responsible with my body and relationships," said another concerned woman. "My very humanity has been stripped away from me now that I can't act like a sex-crazed animal. This is so scary."

With the dangers of post-Roe America ever-present, many women are now demanding servants follow them around to feed them free birth control crushed up in applesauce on a spoon. "If we don't do this, rights are dead in America," said Tibbensburg.

At publishing time, men reported being terrified they may actually have to start working hard for a woman's affections and getting married before having sex.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:06am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
only on whether the US Constitution confers a nationwide right to abortion.


no it didn't.

It overturned a 50 yr ruling on a womans right to privacy ... a right afforded to women by the 14th amendment. They basically argued that the 14th amendment didn't apply against state abortion laws. The rethuglican puppets currently in the supreme court don't care about the constitution .. for them this was about politics.


Abortion is carried out in a clinical setting, involving dozens of people - hardly a procedure carried out in the privacy of your bedroom as the the act that led to it was.
It is a personal matter but very far from something done in privacy.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:17am

Frank wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:06am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
only on whether the US Constitution confers a nationwide right to abortion.


no it didn't.

It overturned a 50 yr ruling on a womans right to privacy ... a right afforded to women by the 14th amendment. They basically argued that the 14th amendment didn't apply against state abortion laws. The rethuglican puppets currently in the supreme court don't care about the constitution .. for them this was about politics.


Abortion is carried out in a clinical setting, involving dozens of people - hardly a procedure carried out in the privacy of your bedroom as the the act that led to it was.
It is a personal matter but very far from something done in privacy.



;D ;D ;D

thats a pathetic excuse, even by your standards. Just about all medical procedures are carried out in clinical settings. That doesn't mean others get a say in what you do.

Let me guess, you think doctor /client privacy is a bad thing too??  :D :D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 26th, 2022 at 11:18am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 21st, 2022 at 5:59pm:
only on whether the US Constitution confers a nationwide right to abortion.


no it didn't.

It overturned a 50 yr ruling on a womans right to privacy ... a right afforded to women by the 14th amendment. They basically argued that the 14th amendment didn't apply against state abortion laws. The rethuglican puppets currently in the supreme court don't care about the constitution .. for them this was about politics.

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by AusGeoff on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:09pm

Frank wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:06am:
...Abortion is carried out in a clinical setting, involving dozens of people - hardly a procedure carried out in the privacy of your bedroom as the the act that led to it was.
It is a personal matter but very far from something done in privacy.


Not so.  I'm guessing you've never been in an abortion clinic?

The woman is in a private room in the surgery, with the doctor
and one, or sometimes two nurses.  And  the commonly used
vacuum aspiration takes about 5-10 minutes to perform, so it's
hardly a drawn out procedure (if you'll excuse the pun).

And of course abortions need to be carried out in a suitably
equipped surgery with all its hygiene and sterilisation procedures
in place.  Do you seriously believe that it's better for abortions
to be carried out in a bedroom, with all its concomitant health and
safety risks?

And as for your claimed "dozens" of people?     Nonsensical.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Steampipe wrote on Jul 20th, 2022 at 11:12am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20th, 2022 at 7:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:47pm:
Whoever supports this is just scum...


_____________________________________________________________________________
This is just disgusting.  What a horrific scenario for the poor woman.
They should've video'd this and forced all justices on the Supreme
Court to watch it.  Would any of them have been happy were the
patient their wife or daughter?      I'm betting not.


This is just milking the political angle.

No doctor would be charged if they protected their patient.

Just like it is against the law to drive over the speed limit but if you have a medical emergency and drive over the limit no policeman will charge you.

Lawyers advice will always be by the letter of the law.

I don't believe that this story is even true.


Deluded much?

Or

Very Much?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


They didn't have to specifically;  it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and  80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.   




of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt   ::)

you could never convince them otherwise though :D :D


Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


They didn't have to specifically;  it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and  80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.   




of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt   ::)

you could never convince them otherwise though :D :D


Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?


;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 2:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2022 at 11:08pm:
Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering-protection-women-denied-right-to-abortion



Good.


it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.


If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......


Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.


I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.


I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.


It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........


The Ninth amendment protects existing rights. This is a right that existed for about 50 years making it an existing right.

The supreme courts logic is bogus in claiming that the only rights protected are those that existed pre 1868. The supreme court would not be willing to apply this measure to a heap of other rights.

Was there a 1868 right to own an AR-15 ?

Note: There is no right to marry in the constitution. In fact neither women or Blacks exist in the constitution.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm:
In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days


And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?


They didn't have to specifically;  it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and  80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.   




of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt   ::)

you could never convince them otherwise though :D :D


Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?


;D ;D ;D


My family did the same thing but at least they laughed about it.

I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Steampipe on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.


Future parents will not know the sex of their child until the child decides and even then it could change often.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2022 at 3:05pm

Steampipe wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.


Future parents will not know the sex of their child until the child decides and even then it could change often.


Yes isn't this level of acceptance wonderful?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 26th, 2022 at 3:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 3:05pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.


Future parents will not know the sex of their child until the child decides and even then it could change often.


Yes isn't this level of acceptance wonderful?

A parable

It was foretold that the year's harvest of rye would be contaminated with ergot, a fungus with effects similar to LSD. Whoever ate the rye would become mad.

The prime minister said we must put aside enough grain so we won't have to eat this year's harvest.

But the king said, "But then we will be the only ones who will be sane. Everyone else will be mad. Therefore they will think that we are the mad ones. Therefore, we too must eat this year's grain. But we will put a mark on our foreheads so at least we will know we are mad. I will look at your forehead you will look at mine, and when we see this sign, we will know we are both mad."



That's where all this ergot-contaminated wokery and  gender-schmender claptrap crap is taking us.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Jul 26th, 2022 at 9:30pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 26th, 2022 at 10:06am:
...Abortion is carried out in a clinical setting, involving dozens of people - hardly a procedure carried out in the privacy of your bedroom as the the act that led to it was.
It is a personal matter but very far from something done in privacy.


Not so.  I'm guessing you've never been in an abortion clinic?

The woman is in a private room in the surgery, with the doctor
and one, or sometimes two nurses.  And  the commonly used
vacuum aspiration takes about 5-10 minutes to perform, so it's
hardly a drawn out procedure (if you'll excuse the pun).

And of course abortions need to be carried out in a suitably
equipped surgery with all its hygiene and sterilisation procedures
in place.  Do you seriously believe that it's better for abortions
to be carried out in a bedroom, with all its concomitant health and
safety risks?

And as for your claimed "dozens" of people?     Nonsensical.

There are dozens of people involved before and after the woman gets into that room with the doc and two nurses.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 18th, 2022 at 7:52am
The evil abortion ban laws will see the maternal death rates among colored women reach 33%:


Quote:
Nearly 50 years after the historic landmark decision that helped inform and shape women’s rights to choose, The Supreme Court in a 5–4 decision, viciously overturned Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood, ending the constitutional right to abortion and shaking women’s rights to the core.

More personally for Black women, the decision represents a deeper plunge into devastating health effects; — as if significant health and maternal mortality rates are not disparaging enough, the ban could potentially raise Black maternal deaths to 33 percent, in the same America where Black women already face some of the worst health and pregnancy-related outcomes.


https://madamenoire.com/1320765/black-women-reproductive-rights/

A woman with an ectopic pregnancy—death to fetus and mother—was sent home by her OBS-GYN! To see if it might turn into another kind (normal?) of pregnancy. This is evil poo!

https://t.co/Yd2K9KYS4d


ProLife my arse! Racist to the core. One of the idiot SCOYUS judges based his decision on the writings of Hale:


Quote:
Hale's writings have been cited as recently as 2022: his opinion on abortion was cited by Samuel Alito in the leaked opinion version of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.[90]


Hale lived in the time of the English Civil Ware and the Restoration.

Hale was a male chauvinist to the core and due to his writings (incl judgements as chief justice of England) and so propagated belief that men are in charge of women. Hale hated single or divorced older women—they were not controlled by men. Witches and demons do not exist, of course, but some of the old women knew plants and herbs that could cause spontaneous miscarriage—abortions. Women making choices themselves about their own fertility and bodily autonomy was of course anathema to male chauvinists like Hale and the dickhead “justice” Alito.

Hale is in the common law etc “everywhere” in England and in America (and likely here too.) He needs to be expunged and replaced with civilised laws/judgements!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:11am
Here we go—ban abortions to increase the number of white babies?

Some think that the anti-abortion movement wants to ban abortion so that the white race will grow in numbers—and they use disgusting propaganda to convert people to the anti-abortion movement—Jews eating babies etc.

Funny part is, most white women will be wealthy enough to afford safe abortions, it will be the poor, incl colored, women will be forced to give birth if they become pregnant. So white numbers will decline relative to black people.

https://reprorights.substack.com/p/expert-discusses-link-between-white?sd=pf

Of course it is poor women, in the US mostly colored women, who will be forced to give birth, most white women will be able to obtain safe abortions so white numbers will DECREASE relative to colored people! Who expects sense from christo-fascists?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:13am
And the poo just rolls on and on. “ProLife” my rosy red arse!


Quote:
ATLANTA — More than 50 years ago, Susie Beall experienced unthinkable pain, when she says her own father repeatedly raped her at their metro Atlanta home, leaving her pregnant at 13 years old.

“Carrying your own father’s child is one of the most disgusting feelings that a child can have, said Beall. “And when I look back on that, I know that he contaminated my entire youth.”

Now, she’s worried more Georgia girls will experience that same pain.

While Georgia’s new heartbeat abortion law does allow for exceptions for victims of rape and incest, it also says they must file a police report to receive an abortion. [my emphasis.]

But Beall says many victims of incest are afraid to tell on relatives – sometimes out of concern for their own safety.

“That’s why I stayed quiet because I knew my father would kill me. I knew it,” said Beall.




https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/incest-victim-says-georgia-heartbeat-abortion-law-may-cause-girls-share-similar-story-her/DZWN5VXWY5CTBBKMK2YCR7DQLY/


A 13yo can’t leave home and set up a new life somewhere unless a relative takes her in.

Filthy poo these laws!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:16am
Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Aug 19th, 2022 at 4:50pm
Republican numbers will likely decline as many women refuse to reproduce with republican males.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2022 at 5:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 18th, 2022 at 7:52am:
The evil abortion ban laws will see the maternal death rates among colored women reach 33%:


Quote:
Nearly 50 years after the historic landmark decision that helped inform and shape women’s rights to choose, The Supreme Court in a 5–4 decision, viciously overturned Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood, ending the constitutional right to abortion and shaking women’s rights to the core.

More personally for Black women, the decision represents a deeper plunge into devastating health effects; — as if significant health and maternal mortality rates are not disparaging enough, the ban could potentially raise Black maternal deaths to 33 percent, in the same America where Black women already face some of the worst health and pregnancy-related outcomes.


https://madamenoire.com/1320765/black-women-reproductive-rights/

A woman with an ectopic pregnancy—death to fetus and mother—was sent home by her OBS-GYN! To see if it might turn into another kind (normal?) of pregnancy. This is evil poo!

https://t.co/Yd2K9KYS4d


ProLife my arse! Racist to the core. One of the idiot SCOYUS judges based his decision on the writings of Hale:

[quote]Hale's writings have been cited as recently as 2022: his opinion on abortion was cited by Samuel Alito in the leaked opinion version of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.[90]


Hale lived in the time of the English Civil Ware and the Restoration.

Hale was a male chauvinist to the core and due to his writings (incl judgements as chief justice of England) and so propagated belief that men are in charge of women. Hale hated single or divorced older women—they were not controlled by men. Witches and demons do not exist, of course, but some of the old women knew plants and herbs that could cause spontaneous miscarriage—abortions. Women making choices themselves about their own fertility and bodily autonomy was of course anathema to male chauvinists like Hale and the dickhead “justice” Alito.

Hale is in the common law etc “everywhere” in England and in America (and likely here too.) He needs to be expunged and replaced with civilised laws/judgements![/quote]


What a load of bollocks, Baldrick.
Viciously??? Viciously overturned??  WTF???

Racist to the core? Balls again.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D


I bet anything that you have no idea about common law, or indeed what Alito cited from Hale, in what context or what it means.





Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2022 at 5:19pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:16am:
Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.



Cheeses!!!


The Pill was hailed as the turning point for women's liberation. Now it's abortion or nuffin'.  Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions. 

You do know, Baldrick, that state law can be changed by the electorate. A SCOTUS decision cannot.  Abortion is not banned by the overturning of Roe. Laws regulating it are simply recognised to be the responsibility of State legislatures (JUST LIKE IN AUSTRALIA).   

And "growing the abortion business"?? A good thing??



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 6:09pm
Oh I have some idea about common law, ignopramus.

But every day since the SCOTUS viciously overturned Roe v Wade ON PURELY IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS I read of raped children (10–15yo) HAVING to carry the fetus of their attacker. In at least SEVEN of these backward states the children will have to cede parental rights to their rapist!

Also, women who WANTED their pregnancy but had problems—partial miscarriage, waters breaking early, before the fetus developed lungs etc etc now have to go through hell because of these devil-inspired laws.

Then the children, raped and often raped by an uncle or father—they give birth then THEIR life is wrecked and the rape babies they are FORCED to give birth to never are healthy or normal.

E V I L

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 6:11pm
The third world states that ban abortion are moving to ban contraception, Sore End! IUDs by definition are outlawed as is the morning after pill*. Why don’t you do some damn reading instead of expounding your ignorance here eh?


* There is a medicine used to treat autoimmune diseases like Lupus. That drug is also used, in MUCH HIGHER doses, to clean up ectopic pregnancies. Because of these evil laws drafted in a hurry by morons who have no medical knowledge at all women in the third world states can no longer get this drug so must turn to more expensive and less effective alternative treatments because oh no we can’t have an abortion, can we?

Do you know about the “dob in a neighbor” laws in Texas and other retarded states. I bet you didn’t.


All this to force poor women, colored women mostly, to give birth. Too fricking bad about those women’s partners  and existing children and that woman’s job, eh? These evil laws are racist from the get go!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19th, 2022 at 6:09pm:
Oh I have some idea about common law, ignopramus.

But every day since the SCOTUS viciously overturned Roe v Wade ON PURELY IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS I read of raped children (10–15yo) HAVING to carry the fetus of their attacker. In at least SEVEN of these backward states the children will have to cede parental rights to their rapist!

Also, women who WANTED their pregnancy but had problems—partial miscarriage, waters breaking early, before the fetus developed lungs etc etc now have to go through hell because of these devil-inspired laws.

Then the children, raped and often raped by an uncle or father—they give birth then THEIR life is wrecked and the rape babies they are FORCED to give birth to never are healthy or normal.

E V I L




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:25pm
No refutation of what I posted, eh Sore End?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:32pm
Then we have THIS shyte:



Quote:
Duty To Warn 🔉
@duty2warn
· 16h
A Florida appeals court on Monday upheld a ruling that denied a parentless 16-year-old an abortion out of concern she “lacked the maturity to make the decision.”
But she has the maturity to be a single mother, with no family, education or resources?


Insanity!

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 19th, 2022 at 8:46pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:25pm:
No refutation of what I posted, eh Sore End?

State law, mong.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Aug 19th, 2022 at 11:16pm

Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2022 at 5:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19th, 2022 at 7:16am:
Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.



Cheeses!!!


The Pill was hailed as the turning point for women's liberation. Now it's abortion or nuffin'.  Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions. 

You do know, Baldrick, that state law can be changed by the electorate. A SCOTUS decision cannot.  Abortion is not banned by the overturning of Roe. Laws regulating it are simply recognised to be the responsibility of State legislatures (JUST LIKE IN AUSTRALIA).   

And "growing the abortion business"?? A good thing??



Quote:
Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions. 


Rubbish it is exactly what the right to life group want and it is what various states may decide to deliver.

You comment is so uneducated that you see to not even be aware that this is exactly what Supreme court Justice Clarence Thomas argued in his official support to the Dobbs decision.

This means that the belief that banning contraception is an expected result of the Dobbs decision - only one of many..


Quote:
Thomas voted with the 6-3 majority that struck down Roe. In a concurring opinion, however, he expressed the view that he would go further — much further — than the majority in thinking through the implications of today’s decision. One passage in particular captured people’s attention:

In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents.

The key concept is the term “substantive due process,” which refers to the idea that the Constitution protects rights that are neither purely procedural (like rights to fair trial procedures) nor explicitly mentioned in the Constitution (like the freedom of the press). Thomas is arguing that such “unenumerated” rights are basically made up: not just the right to abortion protected in Roe, but also protections for birth control in Griswold v. Connecticut, same-sex sexual relations in Lawrence v. Texas, and same-sex marriage in Obergefell.


Here he is asking for (soliciting) cases to be brought to the supreme court to allow things like contraception and same sex marriage to be banned.

You say nobody is calling for this but the truth is that it could hardly be a more high profile push for exactly that.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 20th, 2022 at 7:56am
What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing  activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Aug 20th, 2022 at 10:55pm

Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2022 at 7:56am:
What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing  activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.


Just as the nutbag states are banning all abortion they will ban contraception and same sex marriage.

Removing the Supreme court rulings that protect these rights effective for many people ends the rights as we are seeing with abortion in many US states.


Quote:
Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions.


The fact remains that the statement you made is 100% untrue there is a push for this to happen.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 21st, 2022 at 7:24am
If Frank would only do some reading. . .

Repug Governor candidate—the 10yo giving birth to her rape baby and bonding with it will be an opportunity to heal the pain of the rape or wtte. These people are not normal. christofascists more like.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:54am
This is about reversing  activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by mothra on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:03am

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:54am:
This is about reversing  activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.


^^^ Frank, on repeat and missing the point for literal months now.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:30am

Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2022 at 7:56am:
What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing  activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.


The power belongs to women - not elected representatives.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2022 at 11:29am

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:03am:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 8:54am:
This is about reversing  activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.


^^^ Frank, on repeat and missing the point for literal months now.

Not at all.

It is NOT for courts to legislate on made-up grounds like privacy.

Even Bader Ginsburg thought that was unfortunate. If anything, she said, equal protection rights under the constitution  might have been a better ground than privacy.

In any case, SCOTUS found that abortion is not a privacy matter in the meaning of privacy in the constitution (as Ginsburg also said) so they reversed Roe which was on that basis.  It is a constitutional law issue. Roe was in error in constitutional law.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 21st, 2022 at 11:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 9:30am:

Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2022 at 7:56am:
What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing  activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't  belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.


The power belongs to women - not elected representatives.



Not the power to legislate, it doesnt.


Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:05pm
So true!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazM3uVWIAAuewh?format=jpg

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:39pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:05pm:
So true!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazM3uVWIAAuewh?format=jpg


You are thicker than Gino Smiff  -what an effort, Juvenile Mong!!!! You are self-taught, so obvious. Well done, somebody has to be you.  Carry on.



Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Mustapha_Khunt on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:41pm

Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:05pm:
So true!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazM3uVWIAAuewh?format=jpg


You are thicker than Gino Smiff  -what an effort, Juvenile Mong!!!! You are self-taught, so obvious. Well done, somebody has to be you.  Carry on.


Do you know what you are, dear boy?

You're virtuous. You mean every last word, no?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:45pm

Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 6:05pm:
So true!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazM3uVWIAAuewh?format=jpg


You are thicker than Gino Smiff  -what an effort, Juvenile Mong!!!! You are self-taught, so obvious. Well done, somebody has to be you.  Carry on.


An insult from Frank is normally a strong indication that you were correct.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:12pm
Yeah, Frank isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

I notice he hasn’t discussed the contents of what I posted, guess that would give him a headache?

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Dnarever on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 9:25pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:12pm:
Yeah, Frank isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

I notice he hasn’t discussed the contents of what I posted, guess that would give him a headache?


Yes that is what confirms that you were right, he cannot argue the points so he goes straight to insults.

Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 24th, 2022 at 12:09pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:12pm:
Yeah, Frank isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

I notice he hasn’t discussed the contents of what I posted, guess that would give him a headache?



It's nonsense by and for juvenile mongs. It's a longwinded way of saying shut up if you agree with the reversal of Roe.




Title: Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Post by Frank on Aug 24th, 2022 at 12:10pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24th, 2022 at 12:09pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:12pm:
Yeah, Frank isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

I notice he hasn’t discussed the contents of what I posted, guess that would give him a headache?



It's nonsense by and for juvenile mongs. It's a longwinded way of saying shut up if you agree with the reversal of Roe.

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