Don't you feel like a sucker taking this sh.t ?? Just wait till you start getting the side effects that can come at any time :D LOL

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/haiti-not-vaccinate-citizens-current-vax-rate-1-4-yet-country-one-lowest-covid-death-rates-world-weird-huh/


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Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens, The Current Vax Rate is 1.4% — Yet Country Has One of Lowest COVID Death Rates in the World — Weird, Huh? Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population. “In Haiti, from 3 January 2020 to 5:03 pm CEST, 7 July 2022, there have been 31,703 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 837 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 24 June 2022, a total of 342,724 vaccine doses have been administered,” according to the data from WHO. As of June 24, only 1.4% of the population was fully vaccinated. Haiti had a population of 11,681,526 people as of Thursday, July 7, 2022, according to the data from Worldometers. In contrast to countries that vaccinated the majority of their populations, Haiti has survived the impacts of Covid-19. TGP previously reported just how ineffective the Covid vaccines are around the world. Let’s look at how badly COVID-19 vaccines are doing in different parts of the world, shall we? Australia – 87% vaccinated COVID-19 is running through Australia like a brushfire. The country recently experienced a death record four times greater than at any other point during the pandemic, and the fire is still raging. Maybe a 100% vaccination rate will help, or mandatory booster shots every time someone wants to step outside? New Zealand – 84 % vaccinated Every time I see New Zealand’s numbers I shake my head. What a beautiful country; what an inept government. They recently pulverized their all-time death rate. Maybe they will have more success containing cow farts. Israel – 72% vaccinated Israel doesn’t have a high rate of full vaccination (66%), but the country eagerly embraced all proposed boosters: four. Despite all that, Israel experienced the highest COVID-19 death rate on record this year. Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway – 84%, 83%, 81% 79% vaccinated All Scandinavian countries, except Sweden, recently got obliterated by COVID-19. Finland, Denmark, Iceland and Norway each documented their highest death rates, some beating their records multiple times in the last few weeks. What is worrisome is how long the waves are lasting. Last year, Denmark’s wave lasted from middle of November till the middle of March. This year it started from the beginning of November and it doesn’t seem to be letting up. This year’s footprint is quite troublesome in all four countries. Japan – 82% vaccinated Japan recently experienced its worst death rate this year, doubling its all-time record. Masks and isolation didn’t help either. South Korea – 88% vaccinated Once a shining beacon on how to deal with COVID-19, today South Korea stands at the foot of a monster death spike. It accomplished this with 86.95% of the population fully vaccinated. Hong Kong – 89% The chart speaks for itself. Either the vaccines didn’t work, or the lockdowns only postponed the inevitable. Canada – 86% vaccinated Canada did not beat its record death rate, but the latest wave started a month earlier and has thus far left a similar number of victims than last year. In other words, the vaccines did absolutely nothing… Malta – 92% Another country that beat its all-time record. Malta even imposed fresh new lockdowns in January while the population was over 90% vaccinated. Singapore – 92% Singapore is one of the most vaccinated countries on the planet, and they recently destroyed their all-time COVID-19 death record… twice.

Wow - what a find sir Nail,
it looks like the vaccines are a hoax.   :-[

From the NewsGP site 20 September 2021:

This 2021 report covers the week from 29 August until 4 September,
the most recent period for which official data was released in NSW.

Of the total 4,654 people admitted to hospital with COVID, 3.3% were
confirmed as fully vaccinated, while 18.1%were partially vaccinated,
and 78% were unvaccinated.

Which of course proves the efficacy of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 12:22am:

From the NewsGP site 20 September 2021: This 2021 report covers the week from 29 August until 4 September, the most recent period for which official data was released in NSW. Of the total 4,654 people admitted to hospital with COVID, 3.3% were confirmed as fully vaccinated, while 18.1%were partially vaccinated, and 78% were unvaccinated. Which of course proves the efficacy of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines.

That news is a bit old.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/unvaccinated-patients-dominate-covid-deaths-and-ic

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 12:35am:

That news is a bit old. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/unvaccinated-patients-dominate-covid-deaths-and-ic

I think it does make the valid point however that the vaccines have proved
to be eminently successful at saving millions of lives globally.


Quote:

Between November 26 and January 8, 215 double-vaccinated people were admitted to intensive care, compared with 55 unvaccinated people, according to a recent COVID surveillance report.  But those 215 people make up less than 0.1% of fully vaccinated COVID cases recorded in that period, while the 55 make up about 1.5% of unvaccinated cases.  That might not sound like a big difference, but it's like a 1 in 1,000 chance of being admitted to intensive care if you're double vaccinated, versus a 15 in 1,000 chance if you're unvaccinated.  In other words, if you contract COVID, you're 15 times more likely to end up in ICU if you aren't vaccinated.

[ABC News Australia, 3 February 2022]

haitians probably dont carry much body fat.
they probably dont live on white bread, arnotts, kelloggs and cadburys


i counted up how many vaccine a kid in oz gets by their 21 st birthday.

its 22 if you are white
its 26 if you are black and we are wanting to add heaps more.

maybe mother nature thinks you should fight stuff off by yourself.
not everything

vaccines for tetanus and diphtheria and smallpox were very very smart.

but there is a LOT more to health and a healthy immune system then rolling up your slevve and thinking you are now immortal.

thats a good narrative for marketers.
its a catastrophe for the masses

[quote author=thelastnail link=1657374850/0#0 date=1657374850]Don't you feel like a sucker taking this sh.t ?? Just wait till you start getting the side effects that can come at any time :D LOL

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/haiti-not-vaccinate-citizens-current-vax-rate-1-4-yet-country-one-lowest-covid-death-rates-world-weird-huh/

[quote]Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens, The Current Vax Rate is 1.4% — Yet Country Has One of Lowest COVID Death Rates in the World — Weird, Huh?

Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population.

“In Haiti, from 3 January 2020 to 5:03 pm CEST, 7 July 2022, there have been 31,703 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 837 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 24 June 2022, a total of 342,724 vaccine doses have been administered,” according to the data from WHO.

As of June 24, only 1.4% of the population was fully vaccinated. Haiti had a population of 11,681,526 people as of Thursday, July 7, 2022, according to the data from Worldometers.

In contrast to countries that vaccinated the majority of their populations, Haiti has survived the impacts of Covid-19.

TGP previously reported just how ineffective the Covid vaccines are around the world. Let’s look at how badly COVID-19 vaccines are doing in different parts of the world, shall we?


Typical gateway pundit crap, lets just tell part of the truth and suck in people like nails and horseboy ;D ;D

I wonder if the political situation in Haiti over the last few years had anything to do with the low covid case numbers hmmmm.......

Between 2018 and 2019, the political crisis, rising cost of living and allegations of poor governance led to major social movements that culminated in the crisis of ‘Peyi Lòk’ (“closed country” in Haitian Creole), between September and November 2019.

2020, mainly marked by reduced economic activities caused by COVID-19, saw the resurgence of gang activities that aggravated the situation of the most vulnerable. In June 2020, a federation of armed groups called “G9 family and allies” established itself in the metropolitan area and became a key player, dominating developments in downtown Port-au-Prince.


In June 2021, clashes between gangs broke out in the Martissant neighbourhood, at the southern end of the capital. The violence forced at least 19,000 people to flee their homes and affected about 800,000 people living in the disputed areas.


On 24 April 2022, clashes resurged between rival gangs in the communes of Croix-des Bouquets, Tabarre and Cité Soleil in the Port-au-Prince metropolitan area. Over the course of several days, the fighting gradually spread across other communes of the capital, involving more and more allies of the different gangs. Over 200 people were killed, and hundreds wounded.
A reduction in visitor numbers because of the troubles highlighted had a huge impact on the number of covid cases, nothing to do with vaccines.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:54pm:

Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population.

Do you actually believe that is what the data shows?

Haiti has a GDP per capita of US$1200 per annum. Do you really think they are going to test all the people who die of covid to confirm it is covid?

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 9th, 2022 at 11:54pm: Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population. Do you actually believe that is what the data shows? Haiti has a GDP per capita of US$1200 per annum. Do you really think they are going to test all the people who die of covid to confirm it is covid?

The article is about more than just the country of Haiti.

So what?

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 9:25am:

So what?

Do you think all the other countries mentioned are also
examples of poor information?

I didn't get past the second sentence Bobby. If you have a point to make, you will have to make it all by yourself.


Quote:

Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population.

Do you agree with this?

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Do you actually believe that is what the data shows? Haiti has a GDP per capita of US$1200 per annum. Do you really think they are going to test all the people who die of covid to confirm it is covid?

I agree;  it's more a matter of the potentially huge numbers of COVID-related
deaths in Haiti that have gone unreported—due to very limited postmortem
facilities.  Coupled with the fact that many COVID sufferers never even made
it to a hospital further throws doubt on actual death numbers.

Additionally, the number of confirmed cases in Haiti is lower than the true number
of infections, due to limited testing.

The WHO report says in part, "there have been 31,703 confirmed cases of COVID
with 837 deaths, reported to WHO."    Note the "reported" rider.

Another statistic that confounds the COVID death rate in Haiti is that only 11,335
people per million population have ever been tested; this compares with Australia
at 2,860,509 tests per million people.

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

I didn't get past the second sentence Bobby. If you have a point to make, you will have to make it all by yourself. Quote: Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population. Do you agree with this?

Stop kidding yourself. The sh.t is proven not to work and cause more harm than good. You've taken it for nothing.

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

I didn't get past the second sentence Bobby. If you have a point to make, you will have to make it all by yourself. Quote: Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population. Do you agree with this?

That figure could be wrong as per AusGeoff.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2022 at 10:04am: I didn't get past the second sentence Bobby. If you have a point to make, you will have to make it all by yourself. Quote: Data from the World Health Organization (WHO) showed only 837 people have died in Haiti since the pandemic began, with a vaccination rate of 1.4% of the 11.6 million population. Do you agree with this? Stop kidding yourself. The sh.t is proven not to work and cause more harm than good. You've taken it for nothing.

It is "proven" over and over again by people like you tossing common sense out the window, over and over again.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says?sref=jB82HHlm

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could
adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. 

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response
and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:44am:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says?sref=jB82HHlm European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.  Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency.

there you go freediver ;)

Where do I go Nail?

Why did you fall for that crap in the OP?

Why do so many gullible people think that injecting themselves with a bit of monkey snot is going to save them from something ?

Do you understand why your opening post is crap?

Quote:

Help - A new strain of Moronic going around !

;D

Hospital Admissions Hit 6 Month Highs as 95+% Fully Vaxxed Australia Battles New COVID Wave.

https://twitter.com/Sgtnewsnetwork/status/1546975641299570691?s=20&t=V5z5gIQ_1gxb1fGfPS5LbQ

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:42am:

Hospital Admissions Hit 6 Month Highs as 95+% Fully Vaxxed Australia Battles New COVID Wave.

Do you ever wonder what your life would be if you'd gone to school?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:46am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:42am: Hospital Admissions Hit 6 Month Highs as 95+% Fully Vaxxed Australia Battles New COVID Wave. Do you ever wonder what your life would be if you'd gone to school?

No do you ?? :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:46am: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:42am: Hospital Admissions Hit 6 Month Highs as 95+% Fully Vaxxed Australia Battles New COVID Wave. Do you ever wonder what your life would be if you'd gone to school? No do you ?? :D LOL

You admit you didn't go? LOL!!

Nail do you understand why your opening post is crap?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Why do so many gullible people think that injecting themselves with a bit of monkey snot is going to save them from something ?

I'd have to strongly disagree with this... the vaccines have been proven
to be far more effective than monkey snot [chimpanzeis mucosia] in
preventing COVID infections.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:47am:

I'd have to strongly disagree with this... the vaccines have been proven to be far more effective than monkey snot [chimpanzeis mucosia] in preventing COVID infections.

Indeed.

But, just to be on the safe side I may have to ask if there's any "monkey snot" in the 2nd Pfizer Covid booster I'm having tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon.

I might even take a screenshot of Sir Nail's post, put it on my phone and show them at the chemist just for a laugh.  ;D

Had my 4th Covid vaccination (2nd booster) 3 hours ago (Pfizer).

No ill effects so far, not even a sore arm.

The attached updated image is just for Sir Nail, as promised.  8-)

Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger!  ::)

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Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger!

Maybe you should write a letter to our chief medical officer and ask about it. Tell him sir lastnail put you onto their scam.

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

Quote: Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger! Maybe you should write a letter to our chief medical officer and ask about it. Tell him sir lastnail put you onto their scam.

If I get the sudden urge to scratch my armpits during the day it might mean Sir Nail was right. ;D

My arm (left) is a bit sore this morning and I have a bit of a headache same as what happened after my first booster in February but other than that I feel fine, the slight headache has actually started to ease after I got out of bed about an hour ago.

Gateway Pundit    ;D

Carl D wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

If I get the sudden urge to scratch my armpits during the day it might mean Sir Nail was right. ;D My arm (left) is a bit sore this morning and I have a bit of a headache same as what happened after my first booster in February but other than that I feel fine, the slight headache has actually started to ease after I got out of bed about an hour ago.

And all those bananas you've started gorging on?  And unpeeled at that?

I didn't have any issues at all with my two initial jabs, or the two boosters.
Neither did my partner, but her daughter's boyfriend actually fainted within
a couple of minutes.    I shouldn't have laughed, but I did anyway.

Carl D wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

Had my 4th Covid vaccination (2nd booster) 3 hours ago (Pfizer). No ill effects so far, not even a sore arm. The attached updated image is just for Sir Nail, as promised.  8-) Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger!  ::)

Well done.
I'll get my 4th covid vaccination this week too.
A bit late, was hesitant. Had bad effects with my other 3 vaccinations.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:12am:

Carl D wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:20pm: Had my 4th Covid vaccination (2nd booster) 3 hours ago (Pfizer). No ill effects so far, not even a sore arm. The attached updated image is just for Sir Nail, as promised.  8-) Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger!  ::) Well done. I'll get my 4th covid vaccination this week too. A bit late, was hesitant. Had bad effects with my other 3 vaccinations.

I've been one of the lucky ones.

I've had four shots of Pfizer and not a single bad side effect.

It's the perfect time to be getting the 4th jab right now - maximum protection during August, which is when numbers are going to spike again.

I had a sore arm for about 4 days after my first AstraZeneca vaccination last June, nothing after the second one and a sore arm for a couple of days after my 3rd and 4th (Pfizer).

The slight sore arm after my 4th two days ago has almost gone - I can only really feel it now if I touch the spot where the needle went in.

Come on, Sir Nail - hurry up and get yourself vaccinated like the rest of us smart guys and gals. You even get a cool certificate - see attachment - like we've all got which you can print and frame if you like.  8-)

Where is Sir Nail, by the way? Hasn't caught Covid and is in bed sick (or in hospital) I hope?

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AusGeoff wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:38am:

And all those bananas you've started gorging on?  And unpeeled at that?

;D

Haven't had a banana for some time, better not start or I may not be able to stop after my suspected "monkey snot" Covid vaccination.

Right, Sir Nail?  ::)

Carl D wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

I had a sore arm for about 4 days after my first AstraZeneca vaccination last June, nothing after the second one and a sore arm for a couple of days after my 3rd and 4th (Pfizer). The slight sore arm after my 4th two days ago has almost gone - I can only really feel it now if I touch the spot where the needle went in. Come on, Sir Nail - hurry up and get yourself vaccinated like the rest of us smart guys and gals. You even get a cool certificate - see attachment - like we've all got which you can print and frame if you like.  8-) Where is Sir Nail, by the way? Hasn't caught Covid and is in bed sick (or in hospital) I hope?

Oh yeah, I had a sore arm alright after the first three - lasted for several weeks.

This latest one, not much at all.

But I don't count that as a side-effect of the vaccine - it's just the puncture wound.

I've heard of people who got a headache, or were really lethargic for a day, but I had none of that at all.

Here's one for Sir Nail:

Novavax's new Covid vaccine is perfect for people scared of mRNA tech—but it won't win over the unvaccinated

Probably won't win over Sir Nail either but it's worth a shot (pun not intended).

I was considering getting Novavax instead of Pfizer for my 4th shot, our Terry White chemist did have it and it is supposed to be more effective against all of the Omicron variants so far but I've also heard there *may* be some 'unusual' side effects depending on the individual of course so I decided to stick with Pfizer.

Haiti is an excrement hole.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:00am:

It's the perfect time to be getting the 4th jab right now - maximum protection during August, which is when numbers are going to spike again.

Yep, that's why I'm happy that I was able to get my 4th shot before my 65th birthday on August 5th which I wasn't able to do until recently when the 'rules' were changed.

My elderly aunt and I are now as protected as we can possibly be - she had her 4th shot on May 31st (Pfizer), she's had 2 AZ and 2 Pfizer like me and we also don't go anywhere without wearing a mask, of course.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:47am:

the vaccines have been proven to be far more effective than monkey snot [chimpanzeis mucosia] in preventing COVID infections.

So explain this:

Whilst you were distracted by Boris resigning, the UK Gov. quietly published a report confirming the Vaccinated account for 94% of all COVID-19 Deaths since April, 90% of which were Triple/Quadruple Jabbed



On the 7th July, Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, announced he was resigning. Since then the Mainstream Media in the UK have distracted the public with 24/7 news on that announcement and speculation on who could replace him.

It’s times like these that you ought to watch what bad news is being quietly published in the background in the hope that it won’t receive much attention, and it just so happens that hours before Boris announced his resignation, his Government published new data that proves things have been terrible for the vaccinated population in England over the past couple of months.

Back in March 2022, the UK Health Security Agency announced that from April 1st 2022, they would no longer publish the vaccination status of Covid-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths in England.

At the time, the UKHSA claimed this was because the UK Government had ended free universal Covid-19 testing and this therefore affected their “ability to robustly monitor Covid-19 cases by vaccination status”.

However, this was a lie.

The UK Health Security Agency had been looking for an excuse for months to stop publishing the data because it clearly showed the vaccinated population were suffering immense immune system damage, with case, hospitalisation, and death rates per 100,000 highest among the fully vaccinated population.

Now we have more evidence to both prove the UKHSA was lying, and that the current mainstream media storm surrounding the resignation of Boris Johnson is just a distraction.

This is because another UK Government agency, known as the Office for National Statistics (ONS), has just published data on deaths by vaccination status.

The latest dataset from the ONS is titled ‘Deaths by Vaccination Status, England, 1 January 2021 to 31 May 2022‘, and it can be accessed on the ONS site or downloaded here...

https://expose-news.com/2022/07/11/boris-distraction-uk-gov-revealed-triple-vaccinated-94percent-covid-deaths/

We’ve taken the figures provided by the ONS for both April and May 2022, and produced the following chart showing Covid-19 deaths by vaccination status in England between 1st April and 31st May 2022:

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Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:12am: Carl D wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:20pm: Had my 4th Covid vaccination (2nd booster) 3 hours ago (Pfizer). No ill effects so far, not even a sore arm. The attached updated image is just for Sir Nail, as promised.  8-) Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger!  ::) Well done. I'll get my 4th covid vaccination this week too. A bit late, was hesitant. Had bad effects with my other 3 vaccinations. I've been one of the lucky ones. I've had four shots of Pfizer and not a single bad side effect. It's the perfect time to be getting the 4th jab right now - maximum protection during August, which is when numbers are going to spike again.

Yep it certainly is groggary, knock yourself out with as many as you can get into you  ;)

https://t.me/covidbc/3879

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freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question?

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Nail do you understand why your opening post is BS?

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 11:05am:

Nail do you understand why your opening post is BS?

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No?

:D LOL

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Are you capable of any independent thought on this topic?

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Are you capable of any independent thought on this topic?

No I'm just waiting for mainstream media to report the fallout from their medical negligence ;)

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Fine. Let's take this real slowly, for your benefit.

What do you think the covid numbers from Haiti that you posted actually demonstrate?

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 1:13pm:

Fine. Let's take this real slowly, for your benefit. What do you think the covid numbers from Haiti that you posted actually demonstrate?

That you keep injecting yourself with that sh.t that doesn't do anything :D LOL

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question?

Hey FD, how did that crow taste?

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Are you capable of any independent thought on this topic?

He's admitted here to being a (very sick) sociopath.

When I asked him why he keeps making threads about the supposed dangers of vaccines, and about people allegedly dying from the side-effects (what's in it for you?), he said: "I like rubbing it in".

Not "I'm concerned about people doing harm to themselves, and I want to try to save some lives".  No.

He said "I like rubbing it in".

He believes that people are suffering horrible side-effects, and even dying, from Covid vaccinations and he's deriving pleasure from it.

This is the sort of person who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near pets or guns.

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

Quote: Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger! Maybe you should write a letter to our chief medical officer and ask about it. Tell him sir lastnail put you onto their scam.

More likely than not he's been bought and paid for, otherwise he wouldn't be in that position.

Just like here:

"The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful."

Arnold S. Relman, former editor, New England Journal of Medicine

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 2:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:26pm: Quote: Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger! Maybe you should write a letter to our chief medical officer and ask about it. Tell him sir lastnail put you onto their scam. More likely than not he's been bought and paid for, otherwise he wouldn't be in that position. Just like here: "The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful." Arnold S. Relman, former editor, New England Journal of Medicine

When you're making up a conspiracy theory, you can clearly make up an answer for any fact thrown at you

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:46pm: freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:26pm: Quote: Oh, I forgot to ask if there was any monkeysnot in my vaccine... bugger! Maybe you should write a letter to our chief medical officer and ask about it. Tell him sir lastnail put you onto their scam. More likely than not he's been bought and paid for, otherwise he wouldn't be in that position. Just like here: "The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful." Arnold S. Relman, former editor, New England Journal of Medicine When you're making up a conspiracy theory, you can clearly make up an answer for any fact thrown at you

Fine, keep your head in the sand.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 3:05pm:

Fine, keep your head in the sand.

If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 3:08pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm: Fine, keep your head in the sand. If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it

Are you suggesting I made up that quote?

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 3:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:08pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm: Fine, keep your head in the sand. If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it Are you suggesting I made up that quote?

I am suggesting you seek out and quote morons

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 3:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:08pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm: Fine, keep your head in the sand. If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it Are you suggesting I made up that quote?

You make up stuff all the time, you are a lying piece of garbage

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 2:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm: Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question? Hey FD, how did that crow taste?

It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 5:44pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm: Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question? Hey FD, how did that crow taste? It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.

Then it made you hallucinate.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 6:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm: Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question? Hey FD, how did that crow taste? It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought. Then it made you hallucinate.

Why does this ignorant BS not get bans, but I do for telling the truth?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:51pm: freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm: Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question? Hey FD, how did that crow taste? It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought. Then it made you hallucinate. Why does this ignorant BS not get bans, but I do for telling the truth?

Go and complain in the Feedback forum.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 1:00pm:

;)

About that pic of the thalidomide babies:

Why Weren’t These Vaccines Put Through the Proper Safety Trials For Gene Technology, Asks a Former Pharmaceutical Research Scientist

Dr John D. Flack – The Daily Sceptic Feb 7, 2022

I joined Beecham Research Laboratories in 1970 as a pharmacologist/endocrinologist...

The pharmaceutical industry was still reeling from the thalidomide disaster and the industry along with Government regulatory authorities worked together to do as much as was possible to avoid such tragedies ever happening again. It was perhaps quite understandable, then, we were ultra-cautious, and I have no doubt that on the faintest whiff of any safety problem we ‘failed safe’ and almost certainly ‘threw the baby out with the bath water on many occasions. The industry and regulatory authorities were obsessed in putting safety over efficacy. Getting a drug through the preclinical and clinical stages of safety testing was not only very expensive but invariably took more than a decade. Patent law was changed to give an extended period for exclusivity to allow for the industry to have any chance of making a return on investment...

Coupled with this the industry was seen as a very convenient ‘whipping boy’ by the print and TV media. There was hardly a week when BBC Panorama wasn’t exposing some scandal. Making money by trying to make the sick well was seen as a positively evil objective. Investigative journalism was the way to journalistic stardom. What a contrast to the situation we see today. To all intents and purposes over the past two years the Government regulatory authorities, academia, mainstream media and industry appear to be sharing the same bed – all very cosy! Gone, it seems to me, are the checks and balances that we had in the 1980s that provided the public with some sense of confidence that the medicines being marketed were both effective and safe. Academics are frequently charged now with having vested interests. Securing grant money for research is now a matter for international consideration. Witness the huge amount of funding our universities now receive from China and the Gates Foundation. Who can blame the sceptics cry of ‘follow the money’?

So it was that in 1980 I transitioned into pharmaceutical development and became Director of Safety Evaluation of the newly named Beecham Pharmaceuticals. This grand title – again reflecting the emphasis on safety – at ground level meant managing the toxicology and metabolism/pharmacokinetic departments for a decade. Though a raft of safety studies had been agreed to try to guarantee safety, how was it possible to trust the industry to do these studies in strict accordance with the Government regulatory guidelines? Thus, the implementation of formal inspections by the Government regulatory authorities to monitor Good Laboratory Practice (GLP), Good Clinical Practice (GCP) and Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP). No stone would be unturned during these inspections, and I recall now the many sleepless nights mentally wrestling with the inspectorate from the USA Federal Drug Agency and the U.K. Safety of Medicines Department – now called the MHRA (Medicines Health Regulatory Authority). However, it must be said that though there was most certainly, and rightly, an adversarial atmosphere, there was always a recognition that the joint goal was to provide effective medicines that were safe.

With this background, we come to December 2020, when, under emergency measures, ‘vaccines’ still in the experimental phase of development were rolled out with much fanfare to immunise the vulnerable population against the new viral disease of COVID-19. If this was something of a surprise, there was also the knowledge that previous attempts to discover effective and safe vaccines against earlier strains of this type of virus, namely SARS-1 and MERS, had failed. Furthermore, historically, coronaviruses in general had not proven to be amenable to conventional vaccine technology.

Annually the general population are offered ‘flu vaccines – few are concerned about their safety, and rightly. Not too much concern either as to their efficacy, but who cares if they are safe. Surely these new ‘vaccines’ can be considered in a similar manner? No, I am afraid not. These new gene-based ‘vaccines’ are working in a completely novel way – nothing remotely resembling that of traditional vaccines. Given that pharmaceutical companies work competitively it was also somewhat of a surprise they took the same approach of targeting what has been termed the ‘spike protein’ of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This protein is nasty – sometimes being referred to as a ‘pathogenic protein’ – and is recognised as causing many of the awful pathologies associated with the disease of COVID-19. Logically you would inactivate or at least attenuate this nasty spike protein and develop a vaccine around the attenuated virus. But that’s not what was done. These ‘vaccines’ do not contain any of the offending virus at all but rather the gene sequence that causes the nasty spike protein to be made in the body. We have little idea how much of this nasty protein is produced or for how long it lasts after an injection of the gene sequence...

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Now to the important question as to safety of this new class of ‘vaccines’, which are still in their experimental phase of development. The experiment will in fact not finish until 2023. If the ‘vaccines’ are of limited efficacy their safety profile must be as near perfect as any medicine can be since they are being given to healthy people who might become infected. Based on the strategy outlined above you would predict that the spike protein being produced by the gene-based ‘vaccine’ as having a toxicology profile not dissimilar to what is seen when infected by the virus. And indeed, that’s just what the data tell us. The side-effect reporting systems in the USA and U.K. show unequivocally that these “vaccines” are an order of magnitude greater of adverse effects than conventional vaccines. Qualitatively the side effect profile is consistent with what we might expect from our knowledge of the biological (pharmacology and toxicology) properties of the spike protein. To claim that the side effects are rare and mild is highly misleading. They are indeed what one might expect to see in sensitive patients.

Then there is the crucial question of what we cannot possibly know at this point – that is of their long-term safety. Again, there are good scientific reasons why these injections might interfere with other vital body systems. It is not good enough to dismiss them as theoretical scaremongering. It is down to the manufacturer and regulatory authorities to address these issues experimentally and to demonstrate there are no reasons to be concerned. In my view, all the regulatory authorities around the world, including our own MHRA, have failed the general public who would expect that they question every aspect of the safety of medicines, especially when it comes down to the assessment of medicines designed not to treat disease but to prevent disease in otherwise healthy people...

It seems to me that the regulatory authorities may have considered this new class of medicine as a vaccine and followed the toxicology guidelines for conventional vaccines. But as discussed above, they are not vaccines in the conventional sense. They are injections of a laboratory synthesised gene sequence – what in previous decades we would have called a new chemical entity (NCE). Furthermore, they are being given, not as a single dose, but because of their limited efficacy as repeated injections – called boosters. On the hoof, it seems, it is decided that extra doses must be given. How can this possibly be unless supported by the appropriate safety studies? And how convenient for the worldwide authorities regulating the approval of new medicines that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA modified the definitions of vaccine and vaccination – to allow for the new “ways in which vaccines can be administered” – to embrace this new technology that would be previously classed as an NCE. Sorry, but simply changing the definition of the term vaccine to fit the properties of these novel injections doesn’t obviate the need to conduct the appropriate studies by which their safety can properly be assessed. That is why I use the term vaccine in quotation marks or simply describe them as injections.

But have we been blinded and duped by technology and lost sight of the end game of providing safe and effective medicines? Was it a judicious use of the PCR, rapid antigen test technology and information APP technology to drive the test and trace fiasco? Was the gene technology ready to be used in a mass world-wide vaccination programme without a thorough examination of the potential problems of short- and long-term safety of this previously untested technology?

In my view, technocracy has trumped the sound principles, established over decades and centuries, of basic medical practice, immunology, virology, pharmaceutical sciences and public health generally. In the process, political democracy, personal freedoms, free speech and choice have been dangerously sidelined and even censored.


John D. Flack B. Pharm. Ph.D. is a retired Pharmaceutical Research and Development Scientist.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

Now to the important question as to safety of this new class of ‘vaccines’, which are still in their experimental phase of development. The experiment will in fact not finish until 2023. If the ‘vaccines’ are of limited efficacy their safety profile must be as near perfect as any medicine can be since they are being given to healthy people who might become infected. Based on the strategy outlined above you would predict that the spike protein being produced by the gene-based ‘vaccine’ as having a toxicology profile not dissimilar to what is seen when infected by the virus. And indeed, that’s just what the data tell us. The side-effect reporting systems in the USA and U.K. show unequivocally that these “vaccines” are an order of magnitude greater of adverse effects than conventional vaccines. Qualitatively the side effect profile is consistent with what we might expect from our knowledge of the biological (pharmacology and toxicology) properties of the spike protein. To claim that the side effects are rare and mild is highly misleading. They are indeed what one might expect to see in sensitive patients. Then there is the crucial question of what we cannot possibly know at this point – that is of their long-term safety. Again, there are good scientific reasons why these injections might interfere with other vital body systems. It is not good enough to dismiss them as theoretical scaremongering. It is down to the manufacturer and regulatory authorities to address these issues experimentally and to demonstrate there are no reasons to be concerned. In my view, all the regulatory authorities around the world, including our own MHRA, have failed the general public who would expect that they question every aspect of the safety of medicines, especially when it comes down to the assessment of medicines designed not to treat disease but to prevent disease in otherwise healthy people... It seems to me that the regulatory authorities may have considered this new class of medicine as a vaccine and followed the toxicology guidelines for conventional vaccines. But as discussed above, they are not vaccines in the conventional sense. They are injections of a laboratory synthesised gene sequence – what in previous decades we would have called a new chemical entity (NCE). Furthermore, they are being given, not as a single dose, but because of their limited efficacy as repeated injections – called boosters. On the hoof, it seems, it is decided that extra doses must be given. How can this possibly be unless supported by the appropriate safety studies? And how convenient for the worldwide authorities regulating the approval of new medicines that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA modified the definitions of vaccine and vaccination – to allow for the new “ways in which vaccines can be administered” – to embrace this new technology that would be previously classed as an NCE. Sorry, but simply changing the definition of the term vaccine to fit the properties of these novel injections doesn’t obviate the need to conduct the appropriate studies by which their safety can properly be assessed. That is why I use the term vaccine in quotation marks or simply describe them as injections. But have we been blinded and duped by technology and lost sight of the end game of providing safe and effective medicines? Was it a judicious use of the PCR, rapid antigen test technology and information APP technology to drive the test and trace fiasco? Was the gene technology ready to be used in a mass world-wide vaccination programme without a thorough examination of the potential problems of short- and long-term safety of this previously untested technology? In my view, technocracy has trumped the sound principles, established over decades and centuries, of basic medical practice, immunology, virology, pharmaceutical sciences and public health generally. In the process, political democracy, personal freedoms, free speech and choice have been dangerously sidelined and even censored. John D. Flack B. Pharm. Ph.D. is a retired Pharmaceutical Research and Development Scientist.

Were you stillborn, wombat?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody? Or is that a loaded question?

Somebody else do the maths. What percentage were vaccinated in the UK. If the vaccines had absolutely no effect, what percentage of the vaccinated would you expect to get Covid? By the way, a single dose of Astra Zeneca is pretty close to ineffective for Omicron.

What percentage actually got Covid?
(Not rocket science.)

Then write a conclusion.

(Shagged if I can be bothered)

Add that one to your word censor FD.