Donald Trump has become More Popular Since the
January 6 Capitol Attack


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(CNN)Former President Donald Trump still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office. On Thursday, the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol used its first prime-time hearing to make the case that Trump used his power to try and overturn the 2020 election result. The committee faces political headwinds, however. A majority of Americans (55%) now believe that Trump was either not or only partially responsible for the rioters who overtook the Capitol, according to a recent NBC News poll. That's up from 47% in January 2021. January 6 did little damage to Trump over the long term Analysts like me remarked over and over again during Trump's time in office that he was one of, if not the most unpopular presidents. He left office with the lowest approval rating of any president at the end of his first term (39%) and the highest disapproval rating (58%) thanks in part to a late swoon following the events of January 6, 2021. Today, Trump's polling position with Americans overall is one of his best, and he remains the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination. The former President's favorable rating stands at 43% with an unfavorable rating of 52%. That makes for a net favorability rating of -9 points -- not particularly high, but then Trump was never particularly popular. He averaged a net approval rating during his presidency of -12 points. A 3-point jump in net popularity may not seem like much, but his current net favorability rating is higher than 86% of his net approval ratings during his presidency. If nothing else, it's 10 points higher than his net approval rating at the end of his time in office. In 2024 matchups against President Joe Biden, Trump is running a point or two ahead of Biden, on average. It wouldn't be particularly impressive for most politicians to be leading, within the margin of error, a President with a low-40s approval rating. But being barely ahead or tied with Biden would have been a revelation for Trump in 2020. He managed to lead in only about 1% of all national polls taken in 2020 -- and in none that met CNN's standards for publication. In raw numbers, Trump's been ahead in more polls against Biden over the past few months than he was for the entirety of 2020. And while Trump is not as popular among Republicans as he was on Election Day 2020, he's still the man to beat in the GOP field. Trump's favorable rating with Republicans is at or slightly north of 80%. His "very favorable" rating is in the low 50s. By this measure, Trump is more beloved by Republicans than Biden is by Democrats. There is no Republican active in the political arena who is as well liked at this point by the party faithful as Trump. Ahead of 2024, Trump continues to post some of the strongest numbers in national primary polls for any nonincumbent in the last 50 years. He laps the field with about 50% of the vote. Previous nonincumbents polling at Trump's level all went on to win their party's nomination for president if they decided to run. Trump may be a unique case, though, as a former incumbent. Indeed, Trump's numbers don't make him a sure thing. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis holds a higher favorable rating than Trump among Republicans who hold an opinion of both men. Still, Trump is in an enviable position. One that might have been unimaginable when he left office in January 2021. So just what happened to allow Trump to become less unpopular? The answer is probably simple: time. Trump is no longer the president. Americans' memories tend to be very short. Issues that once seemed important (e.g., controlling the coronavirus pandemic) have sunk to the bottom of the priorities list for most voters, as new concerns arise (e.g., inflation). The question for which the answer is yet unknown is what happens if Trump decides to run for president again? Will the American public's strong dislike of him from January 2021 return? Or does distance really make the heart grow fonder?

This isn't coming from the GOP's Fox News, it's coming from CNN. Not exactly Right Wing is CNN.

Is it?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/11/politics/donald-trump-january-6-democrats-moderate/index.html

If Mr Enten started his opinion piece like my version below, he'd be much closer to the truth


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Former President Donald Trump's stupidity and attempt at an insurrection still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

If Mr Enten started his opinion piece like my version below, he'd be much closer to the truth Quote: Former President Donald Trump's stupidity and attempt at an insurrection still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office

CNN relies on it's own polling of likely voters, while you are simply regurgitating DNC taking points.

Both are facts, but the people don't write political headlines, the DNC does though the media.

Well, he couldn't get any less popular.

He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States.

https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:57pm:

Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU

My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024.

Vangard wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:25pm:

Donald Trump has become More Popular Since the January 6 Capitol Attack Quote: (CNN)Former President Donald Trump still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office. On Thursday, the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol used its first prime-time hearing to make the case that Trump used his power to try and overturn the 2020 election result. The committee faces political headwinds, however. A majority of Americans (55%) now believe that Trump was either not or only partially responsible for the rioters who overtook the Capitol, according to a recent NBC News poll. That's up from 47% in January 2021. January 6 did little damage to Trump over the long term Analysts like me remarked over and over again during Trump's time in office that he was one of, if not the most unpopular presidents. He left office with the lowest approval rating of any president at the end of his first term (39%) and the highest disapproval rating (58%) thanks in part to a late swoon following the events of January 6, 2021. Today, Trump's polling position with Americans overall is one of his best, and he remains the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination. The former President's favorable rating stands at 43% with an unfavorable rating of 52%. That makes for a net favorability rating of -9 points -- not particularly high, but then Trump was never particularly popular. He averaged a net approval rating during his presidency of -12 points. A 3-point jump in net popularity may not seem like much, but his current net favorability rating is higher than 86% of his net approval ratings during his presidency. If nothing else, it's 10 points higher than his net approval rating at the end of his time in office. In 2024 matchups against President Joe Biden, Trump is running a point or two ahead of Biden, on average. It wouldn't be particularly impressive for most politicians to be leading, within the margin of error, a President with a low-40s approval rating. But being barely ahead or tied with Biden would have been a revelation for Trump in 2020. He managed to lead in only about 1% of all national polls taken in 2020 -- and in none that met CNN's standards for publication. In raw numbers, Trump's been ahead in more polls against Biden over the past few months than he was for the entirety of 2020. And while Trump is not as popular among Republicans as he was on Election Day 2020, he's still the man to beat in the GOP field. Trump's favorable rating with Republicans is at or slightly north of 80%. His "very favorable" rating is in the low 50s. By this measure, Trump is more beloved by Republicans than Biden is by Democrats. There is no Republican active in the political arena who is as well liked at this point by the party faithful as Trump. Ahead of 2024, Trump continues to post some of the strongest numbers in national primary polls for any nonincumbent in the last 50 years. He laps the field with about 50% of the vote. Previous nonincumbents polling at Trump's level all went on to win their party's nomination for president if they decided to run. Trump may be a unique case, though, as a former incumbent. Indeed, Trump's numbers don't make him a sure thing. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis holds a higher favorable rating than Trump among Republicans who hold an opinion of both men. Still, Trump is in an enviable position. One that might have been unimaginable when he left office in January 2021. So just what happened to allow Trump to become less unpopular? The answer is probably simple: time. Trump is no longer the president. Americans' memories tend to be very short. Issues that once seemed important (e.g., controlling the coronavirus pandemic) have sunk to the bottom of the priorities list for most voters, as new concerns arise (e.g., inflation). The question for which the answer is yet unknown is what happens if Trump decides to run for president again? Will the American public's strong dislike of him from January 2021 return? Or does distance really make the heart grow fonder? This isn't coming from the GOP's Fox News, it's coming from CNN. Not exactly Right Wing is CNN. Is it? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/11/politics/donald-trump-january-6-democrats-moderate/index.html

*shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it

Vangard wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:30pm: If Mr Enten started his opinion piece like my version below, he'd be much closer to the truth Quote: Former President Donald Trump's stupidity and attempt at an insurrection still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office CNN relies on it's own polling of likely voters, while you are simply regurgitating DNC taking points. Both are facts, but the people don't write political headlines, the DNC does though the media.

I don't care what CNN relies on. If the writer of that article had started his commentary the way I suggested, he'd be much closer to the truth.

https://i.imgflip.com/6mey2r.jpg

Vangard wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:57pm: Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024.

Biden and Hillary Clinton are more popular than Trump   ;D

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

https://i.imgflip.com/6mey2r.jpg

Lol   ;D

God bless them.

They tried.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Vangard wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:57pm: Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024. Biden and Hillary Clinton are more popular than Trump   ;D

We'll see.

Remember, American voting is completely 100% voluntary. People who never vote can show up in big numbers, while overconfident voters are more prone to stay home and watch the results on TV.

Vangard wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:43pm: Vangard wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:57pm: Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024. Biden and Hillary Clinton are more popular than Trump   ;D We'll see.

No.  We saw.

Both Clinton and Biden - two of the most unpopular POTUS candidates in the history of the country - annihilated Trump in the popular vote.

We're talking millions and millions of votes.

Donald Trump is about as popular as a pork fritter at a Jewish BBQ.

http://www.starstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/medium/38/270838.jpg

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Trump is more popular since Jan 6, 2021

And just imagine how the orange jump suit will flatter his complexion and score in the ratings.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

*shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it

Lucky America - don't care about what you think or care about.   

https://i.imgflip.com/6mkiru.jpg

Vangard wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:43pm: Vangard wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:57pm: Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024. Biden and Hillary Clinton are more popular than Trump   ;D We'll see. Remember, American voting is completely 100% voluntary. People who never vote can show up in big numbers, while overconfident voters are more prone to stay home and watch the results on TV.

Do you really think the Trump supporters will want to leave their sisters' warm beds on a cold November morning just to cast a vote?

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:32pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:22pm: *shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it Lucky America - don't care about what you think or care about.

Amen Frank!! I just spent a week back State-Side, & when I posed my shootin' buddys that question.....do you care what Australians think of America?.....no answer, just laughter!!  ;D ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:49am:

Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 7:32pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:22pm: *shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it Lucky America - don't care about what you think or care about.    Amen Frank!! I just spent a week back State-Side, & when I posed my shootin' buddys that question.....do you care what Australians think of America?.....no answer, just laughter!!  ;D ;D ;D

It's a stupid question.  No one said they care.  We care because of America's impact on the world.  I don't personally care too much if Poland or the USA is fascist, but American fascism affects me more

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:49am:

Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 7:32pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:22pm: *shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it Lucky America - don't care about what you think or care about.    Amen Frank!! I just spent a week back State-Side, & when I posed my shootin' buddys that question.....do you care what Australians think of America?.....no answer, just laughter!!  ;D ;D ;D

The same response we have when asked about your outdated Constitution - laughter.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

Vangard wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:43pm: Vangard wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 5:57pm: Well, he couldn't get any less popular. He lost the popular vote - twice! (by millions, and millions) - and was the most unpopular President in the entire history of the United States. https://youtu.be/vjD3EVC1-zU My hope is that the democrat base believes exactly what you are pushing, because an over-confident voting base stays home come this November's mid-term elections, and when the Republicans take back both Houses of Congress the Republican voter Base will be energized for 2024 - no matter who runs - while the Democrats will be more reluctant to come out come 2024. Biden and Hillary Clinton are more popular than Trump   ;D We'll see. Remember, American voting is completely 100% voluntary. People who never vote can show up in big numbers, while overconfident voters are more prone to stay home and watch the results on TV. Do you really think the Trump supporters will want to leave their sisters' warm beds on a cold November morning just to cast a vote?

No Stupid......they'll bring them too!!!  After all 3 votes are better than one!! It worked a charm fer the demon-RATS in 2020!!!  :D  ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:57am:

No Stupid......they'll bring them too!!!  After all 3 votes are better than one!! It worked a charm fer the demon-RATS!!!  :D  ;D ;D

I fully expect DSM6 to list being a Republican as a mental illness

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 10:49am: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 7:32pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 6:22pm: *shrug* I don't care if America burns to the ground at this point.  They asked for it Lucky America - don't care about what you think or care about.    Amen Frank!! I just spent a week back State-Side, & when I posed my shootin' buddys that question.....do you care what Australians think of America?.....no answer, just laughter!!  ;D ;D ;D The same response we have when asked about your outdated Constitution - laughter.

But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range, or when a dumb ass ski-masked fella thinks ignorin' a police command to stop & drop & spins in a shootin' position while goin' to his waist as if he had a gun.....the gunfire drowns out anythin' bein said down here!!!  ;D  https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif  https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range

neither can common sense

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range, or when a dumb ass ski-masked fella thinks ignorin' a police command to stop & drop & spins in a shootin' position while goin' to his waist as if he had a gun.....the gunfire drowns out anythin' bein said down here!!!  ;D  https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif  https://imgur.com/tcXrxxg.gif

Yes, like this.  Imagine living in the shithole that is the USA....

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:09am:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07am: But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range neither can common sense

Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....The Politically neutered Aussie Hoplophobic Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:09am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07am: But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range neither can common sense Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....Aussie Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

You've just said you can't hear anything so how would you know?

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....Aussie Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

I have never seen someone with an IQ above 58 use the word 'sheeple'

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:17am:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:16am: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:09am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07am: But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range neither can common sense Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....The Politically neutered Aussie Hoplophobic Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif You've just said you can't hear anything so how would you know?

Cuz I live here, & unfortunately yer lil whispers just make it over the chortlin' of the magpies & cockoo-burras!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:29am:

Cuz I live here, & unfortunately yer lil whispers just make it over the chortlin' of the magpies & cockoo-burras!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

Trump is a fascist.  His supporters hate America

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:29am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:17am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:16am: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:09am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07am: But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range neither can common sense Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....The Politically neutered Aussie Hoplophobic Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif You've just said you can't hear anything so how would you know? Cuz I live here, & unfortunately yer lil whispers just make it over the chortlin' of the magpies & cockoo-burras!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

I'd hardly call hiding under your table as 'living'

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:29am: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:17am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:16am: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:09am: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:07am: But Aussie laughter can't be heard over gunfire at the shootin' range neither can common sense Ain't no such thing as any kinda sense comin' out of the mouths of Extreme Leftists....The Politically neutered Aussie Hoplophobic Sheeple!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif You've just said you can't hear anything so how would you know? Cuz I live here, & unfortunately yer lil whispers just make it over the chortlin' of the magpies & cockoo-burras!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif I'd hardly call hiding under your table as 'living'

Why, you Aussies been doin' it for close to 200 years while still takin it up the tail from their Monarchist superiors in the MummyLand!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:43am:

Why, you Aussies been doin' it for close to 200 years while takin it up the tail from their Monarchist superiors in the MummyLand!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

Your president has more power than our PM, and the USA gets shafted a lot more as a result

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:43am: Why, you Aussies been doin' it for close to 200 years while takin it up the tail from their Monarchist superiors in the MummyLand!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif Your president has more power than our PM, and the USA gets shafted a lot more as a result

America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? https://imgur.com/SvzDchb.gif

America.....The Home of Freedom & Liberty....link


Source: https://www.un.org/en/desa/international-migration-2020-highlights 
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Top 10 Countries with the Highest Number of Foreign-Born Residents (Immigrants) - United Nations 2020:     United States — 50.6 million     Germany — 15.8 million     Saudi Arabia — 13.5 million     Russia — 11.6 million     United Kingdom — 9.4 million     United Arab Emirates — 8.7 million     France — 8.5 million     Canada — 8.0 million     Australia — 7.7 million     Spain — 6.8 million

Seems if things were so bad in the USA, the numbers would be reversed...... ;)

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:04pm:

America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? ...

America is convenient, like a toilet along a freeway  .. not necessarily a dream destination but when you've gotta go, the first place will do.

You have millions of people that are able to walk or drive across a border .. that's just not possible here.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:19pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 12:04pm: America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? ... .......You have millions of people that are able to walk or drive across a border .. that's just not possible here.

Very few legitimate immigrants....as opposed to illegal aliens......enter America via America's land borders, they come in via air & sea.....99% legally, with the desire to become American & assimilate. They come to take advantage of America's Freedom, Liberty, & vast Opportunities.....most of which aren't available anywhere else in the World....even here in beautiful, quaint Australia.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:19pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 12:04pm: America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? ... America is convenient, like a toilet along a freeway  .. not necessarily a dream destination but when you've gotta go, the first place will do. You have millions of people that are able to walk or drive across a border .. that's just not possible here.

That is just so stupid it had to be you.

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:19pm: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 12:04pm: America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? ... .......You have millions of people that are able to walk or drive across a border .. that's just not possible here. Very few legitimate migrants....as opposed to illegal aliens......enter America via America's land borders, they come in via air & sea.....99% legally, with the desire to become American & assimilate. They come to take advantage of America's Freedom, Liberty, & vast Opportunities.....most of which aren't available anywhere else in the World....even here in beautiful, quaint Australia.

Canada and South America account for just over 4.5million. Thats a good chunk of change.

It's also much easier to migrate to the USA than it is to Australia. We have tight restrictions on the numbers allowed in annually.

According to Freedom House:

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Country	Total Score	Status	Rights	Civil Liberties
Australia	95	Free	39	56
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United States	51	Free	32	51

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[url=https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores][Source]
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John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:35pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 2:19pm: Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 12:04pm: America is still the #1 destination of the World's migrants....51 million in 2020....why isn't Australia even close....it's such a beautiful Country?? ... .......You have millions of people that are able to walk or drive across a border .. that's just not possible here. Very few legitimate migrants....as opposed to illegal aliens......enter America via America's land borders, they come in via air & sea.....99% legally, with the desire to become American & assimilate. They come to take advantage of America's Freedom, Liberty, & vast Opportunities.....most of which aren't available anywhere else in the World....even here in beautiful, quaint Australia. Canada and South America account for just over 4.5million. Thats a good chunk of change. It's also much easier to migrate to the USA than it is to Australia. We have tight restrictions on the numbers allowed in annually.

4.5 million......if that's right that's less than 10%  ::)  .......meaning ±90% immigrated from the rest of the World.....as far as yearly quotas, the USA has immigration quotas too.....we're just more open to immigration than Australia is....

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

4.5 million......if that's right that's less than 10%  ::)  .......meaning ±90% immigrated from the rest of the World.....as far as yearly quotas, the USA has immigration quotas too.....we're just more open to immigration than Australia is....

One suspects both numbers are based on the number there already....

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

.we're just more open to immigration than Australia is....

hence the larger numbers ... it has little to do with peoples preference. I know several people who wanted to come here but found it to difficult so they went to the USA.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 3:30pm: .we're just more open to immigration than Australia is.... hence the larger numbers ... it has little to do with peoples preference. I know several people who wanted to come here but found it to difficult so they went to the USA.

Interesting.  I know several people who decided Australia was a better bet than the US.  They consciously told me that they believed Australia was a better place to migrate to.   :o

If Trump is re-elected the American republic is dead.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 6:50pm:

If Trump is re-elected the American republic is dead.

It's dead now with Biden

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 6:50pm: If Trump is re-elected the American republic is dead. It's dead now with Biden

Can Trump - the alleged child rapist- revive it?

Majority of Americans believe Trump should be criminally charged for Jan 6, poll finds

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-crime-charge-jan-6-poll-b2105233.html

You?

From the archives:

Higher percentage of Americans want Trump's impeachment than wanted Nixon's as Watergate escalated: Poll

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/americans-want-trump-impeached-more-than-nixon-at-start-of-watergate-poll.html

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 9:06pm:

From the archives: Higher percentage of Americans want Trump's impeachment than wanted Nixon's as Watergate escalated: Poll https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/americans-want-trump-impeached-more-than-nixon-at-start-of-watergate-poll.html

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:52pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 7:24am: I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference.  I knew they'd obsess about sex.  Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers. I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts.  I've not started a post on this before.  But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks 1 - we know people are born trans.  We know how this happens.  The biology is well understood.  While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably? 2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness.  Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5.  Gender dysphoria is not being trans.  Not all trans people experience it.  they are different things 3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age.  Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true 4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans.  Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'.  This does no harm.  No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure.  No one gets surgery before they are 18. 5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%.  Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment.  They become trans again later.  The rest realise they were gay.  All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them.  Our only option is if we are kind or not.  Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?