FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

Do I need to draw you a diagram? If wanting people dead is fascism, then communists can't possibly do it

Can you explain what you mean?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:31pm: Do I need to draw you a diagram? If wanting people dead is fascism, then communists can't possibly do it Can you explain what you mean?

Wait, are you dense enough to think communists can be fascists? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

Fascist is as fascist does, suh!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:48pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 12:31pm: Do I need to draw you a diagram? If wanting people dead is fascism, then communists can't possibly do it Can you explain what you mean? Wait, are you dense enough to think communists can be fascists? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!

They are both inhumane, totalitarian ideologies that kill a lot of people for grandiose goal they invariably fail to achieve BECAUSE they both are inhumane totalitarian delusions.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:54pm:

Fascist is as fascist does, suh!

No answer? cool

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:00pm:

They are both inhumane, totalitarian ideologies that kill a lot of people for grandiose goal they invariably fail to achieve BECAUSE they both are inhumane totalitarian delusions.

You have no clue what either word means.  Sit down, old man

Can communists want people dead?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Can communists want people dead?

Not according to you ., That's fascism

Fascist is as Fascist does, suh!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:21pm:

Fascist is as Fascist does, suh!

This is the standard of commentary I've come to expect from you.  We established a long time ago you have no clue what fascism is

Here's a person born in the USSR looking at Russia, Putin and fascism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcTgnM8Fas

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:21pm: Fascist is as Fascist does, suh! This is the standard of commentary I've come to expect from you.  We established a long time ago you have no clue what fascism is

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Fascist is as Fascist does.... pretty simple.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:25pm:

Here's a person born in the USSR looking at Russia, Putin and fascism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcTgnM8Fas

Correct, russia has not been communist for a long time

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:27pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:23pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:21pm: Fascist is as Fascist does, suh! This is the standard of commentary I've come to expect from you.  We established a long time ago you have no clue what fascism is ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

And this.  I imagine it's easier for you to get online on the weekends.  Most people at the nursing home are talking to visitors who love them

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:25pm: Here's a person born in the USSR looking at Russia, Putin and fascism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcTgnM8Fas Correct, russia has not been communist for a long time

Brilliant - you're beginning to wake up ...

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:09pm: Can communists want people dead? Not according to you ., That's fascism

Can you explain this logic?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:20pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:09pm: Can communists want people dead? Not according to you ., That's fascism Can you explain this logic?

not to you.  To literate people, I'd just point to a definition of fascism, which is far right extremism.  can communist be bad? Of course. Is it fascism? It can't be

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:37pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:20pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:09pm: Can communists want people dead? Not according to you ., That's fascism Can you explain this logic? not to you.  To literate people, I'd just point to a definition of fascism, which is far right extremism.  can communist be bad? Of course. Is it fascism? It can't be

I mean you logic about communists not being capable of wanting people dead, if fascists want people dead. You attempted to attribute it to me, but it is your logic.

Are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:50pm:

Are you a communist?

To a fascist, everyone is a communist.  I don't beleive you are this illiterate, stop dodging the points I have made

I am not dodging them. I am trying to understand your logic.

Can only one group at a time want to kill people?

Also, I thought if you were a communist, that might explain your logical leaps.

Are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:02pm:

I am not dodging them. I am trying to understand your logic. Can only one group at a time want to kill people? Also, I thought if you were a communist, that might explain your logical leaps. Are you a communist?

Why would my being a communist make me literate? I mean, I am not arguing, but why are you aware of this?

Are you a communist?

Can you explain your logic?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:06pm:

Are you a communist? Can you explain your logic?

What is a communist? What would make me a communist? So you admit I am the only one presenting a logical chain of ideas?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:02pm: I am not dodging them. I am trying to understand your logic. Can only one group at a time want to kill people? Also, I thought if you were a communist, that might explain your logical leaps. Are you a communist? Why would my being a communist make me literate? I mean, I am not arguing, but why are you aware of this?

Well - being a communist won't make you any more literate than your being anything else... I always love watching people who've half read stuff or heard stuff trying to make sweeping statements about world realities....

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:06pm: Are you a communist? Can you explain your logic? What is a communist? What would make me a communist? So you admit I am the only one presenting a logical chain of ideas?

Logical doesn't necessarily mean correct.... you are, as usual, confused.  That should be logical enough for you .....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Logical doesn't necessarily mean correct.... you are, as usual, confused.  That should be logical enough for you .....

As usual, you are posting random BS because I trigger you.  Illogical isn't more likely to be correct.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:11pm: Logical doesn't necessarily mean correct.... you are, as usual, confused.  That should be logical enough for you ..... As usual, you are posting random BS because I trigger you.  Illogical isn't more likely to be correct.

You can't shift from discussing logical to discussing illogical - try to resolve one first... you're the only one attempting to discuss illogic here...logic is being held up to scrutiny ...

Anyway - remember Hitler was a National Socialist, Stalin claimed to be an International Socialist while upholding strong central control and promoting National interests first (funny that) ... and clearly out of the two Stalin was far worse.... now we have the circus spectacle of various 'educated' and thus 'elite' thinkers trying to tell us that the natural extension of both those failed approaches is the only way forward for us - with them at the helm, of course....

Now if that's not Fascism - nothing is... Fascist is as Fascist does, suh!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:17pm:

You can't shift from discussing logical to discussing illogical - try to resolve one first... you're the only one attempting to discuss illogic here...logic is being held up to scrutiny ... Anyway - remember Hitler was a National Socialist, Stalin claimed to be an International Socialist while upholding strong central control and promoting National interests first (funny that) ... and clearly out of the two Stalin was far worse.... now we have the circus spectacle of various 'educated' and thus 'elite' thinkers trying to tell us that the natural extension of both those failed approaches is the only way forward for us - with them at the helm, of course.... Now if that's not Fascism - nothing is... Fascist is as Fascist does, suh!

Hitler was a national socialist, a term he invented to try to appear like a socialist to win votes.  He was the opposite of socialism.  'first they came for the socialists'.  It's interesting, no one believed that hitler was a socialist 40 years ago.  People could read back then.

"Stalin was worse'  HAHAHAHAH

Piss off.  Clown. 

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:20pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:17pm: You can't shift from discussing logical to discussing illogical - try to resolve one first... you're the only one attempting to discuss illogic here...logic is being held up to scrutiny ... Anyway - remember Hitler was a National Socialist, Stalin claimed to be an International Socialist while upholding strong central control and promoting National interests first (funny that) ... and clearly out of the two Stalin was far worse.... now we have the circus spectacle of various 'educated' and thus 'elite' thinkers trying to tell us that the natural extension of both those failed approaches is the only way forward for us - with them at the helm, of course.... Now if that's not Fascism - nothing is... Fascist is as Fascist does, suh! Hitler was a national socialist, a term he invented to try to appear like a socialist to win votes.  He was the opposite of socialism.  'first they came for the socialists'.  It's interesting, no one believed that hitler was a socialist 40 years ago.  People could read back then. "Stalin was worse'  HAHAHAHAH Piss off.  Clown.

Irrelevant and irreverent nonsense chopped...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:46pm:

Hitler was a national socialist, a term he invented to try to appear like a socialist to win votes.  He was the opposite of socialism.  'first they came for the socialists'.  It's interesting, no one believed that hitler was a socialist 40 years ago.  People could read back then. "Stalin was worse'  HAHAHAHAH Piss off.  Clown.

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And yet you answered none of it

Take your medication

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:00pm:

They are both inhumane, totalitarian ideologies that kill a lot of people for grandiose goal they invariably fail to achieve BECAUSE they both are inhumane totalitarian delusions.

At least you are capable of sequential  (if incorrect) argument; freediver's habit of asking inane questions -without defining terms - to elicit the conclusion he wants. is egregious.

Communism seeks  to introduce common prosperity, as opposed to mere acceptance of inequality arising from market outcomes (as in the US today), or privilege (as in Czarist Russia). 

Stalin adopted fascist methods eventually, because he didn't understand alternative solutions to the problems at hand.

It remains to be seen how the US will deal with the egregious community-cohesion-destroying inequality it is facing at home.

Trump tried to externalize the problem with an "America First" policy, but his China tariffs have caused inflation in the US, while  Biden is trying to unite the country with his "China threat" theory.

We live in interesting times...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 1:00pm: They are both inhumane, totalitarian ideologies that kill a lot of people for grandiose goal they invariably fail to achieve BECAUSE they both are inhumane totalitarian delusions. At least you are capable of sequential  (if incorrect) argument; freediver's habit of asking inane questions -without defining terms - to elicit the conclusion he wants. is egregious. Communism seeks  to introduce common prosperity, as opposed to mere acceptance of inequality arising from market outcomes (as in the US today), or privilege (as in Czarist Russia).  Stalin adopted fascist methods eventually, because he didn't understand alternative solutions to the problems at hand. It remains to be seen how the US will deal with the egregious community-cohesion-destroying inequality it is facing at home. Trump tried to externalize the problem with an "America First" policy, but his China tariffs have caused inflation in the US, while  Biden is trying to unite the country with his "China threat" theory. We live in interesting times...

I think overall that Stalin assumed the use of force was a solution.  Force is not owned by fascism, although I'd agree some of his methods were in common with those of fascists.  The right assume that Lenin and Stalin are Jesus and we follow their sacred texts, instead of learning to do better with time.  Every successful socialist society has no traces of Stalinism in it

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home, the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups.

‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’

‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’

‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’

‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed.

‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’

‘Where will you find the room to work?’

‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'”
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/


So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home, the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups. ‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’ ‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. ‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. ‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one… ‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’ ‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’ ‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed. ‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’ ‘Where will you find the room to work?’ ‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'” https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/ So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities.

Any literate person can see this quote proves my point.  Hitler invented his own 'socialism'.  And killed the socialists first

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home, the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups. ‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’ ‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. ‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. ‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one… ‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’ ‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’ ‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed. ‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’ ‘Where will you find the room to work?’ ‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'” https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/ So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities.

You content to use Hitler's definitions (!) of socialism, communism, and Marxism?

I'll get back to your post later, but I reckon you might be on shaky ground....

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 2:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:06pm: Are you a communist? Can you explain your logic? What is a communist? What would make me a communist? So you admit I am the only one presenting a logical chain of ideas?

Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one.

Ui
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 3:21pm: I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home, the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups. ‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’ ‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. ‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. ‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one… ‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’ ‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’ ‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed. ‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’ ‘Where will you find the room to work?’ ‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'” https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/ So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities. Any literate person can see this quote proves my point.  Hitler invented his own 'socialism'.  And killed the socialists first

And Lenin and Stalin and Mao invented their own socialism and killed untold millions in the name of their invented socialism.

The point is - socialism is a deadly dangerous ideology, whether Hitlerite, Leninist, Maoist, Pol Potist, Castoist, Chavesista or your own or Great Cleavage's idiotic version of it. It's  ALWAYS A DEADLY FAILURE regardless of how you interpret it because it starts with a utopia and wants real people to conform to it even if it kills them, which it always does.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:

Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one.

No, I've defined the word fascism in a thread here and everyone ran crying.  Your modus operandi is to say random BS and flee debate. I am destroying you by asking questions you can't answer, and making obvious that your original posts were meaningless.

I need to know what YOU think a communist is, your definition of if I am one or not.  LOL!!!

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:08pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:06pm: Are you a communist? Can you explain your logic? What is a communist? What would make me a communist? So you admit I am the only one presenting a logical chain of ideas? Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one.

He can't access his vast library, you see.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:09pm: Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one. No, I've defined the word fascism in a thread here and everyone ran crying.  Your modus operandi is to say random BS and flee debate. I am destroying you by asking questions you can't answer, and making obvious that your original posts were meaningless. I need to know what YOU think a communist is, your definition of if I am one or not.  LOL!!!

Great. What about communism?

Are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:16pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:15pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:09pm: Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one. No, I've defined the word fascism in a thread here and everyone ran crying.  Your modus operandi is to say random BS and flee debate. I am destroying you by asking questions you can't answer, and making obvious that your original posts were meaningless. I need to know what YOU think a communist is, your definition of if I am one or not.  LOL!!! Great. What about communism? Are you a communist?

Depends, what do you mean by the question?

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:09pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:08pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 2:06pm: Are you a communist? Can you explain your logic? What is a communist? What would make me a communist? So you admit I am the only one presenting a logical chain of ideas? Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one. He can't access his vast library, you see.

I defined fascism off the top of my head and you all cried.  I'm home right now, not that I need the library, i've only needed it when you asked me to name books I've read

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:09pm: Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one. No, I've defined the word fascism in a thread here and everyone ran crying.  Your modus operandi is to say random BS and flee debate. I am destroying you by asking questions you can't answer, and making obvious that your original posts were meaningless. I need to know what YOU think a communist is, your definition of if I am one or not.  LOL!!!

Well, you are  ignorant,  vicious and blinkered enough to be both a  commie and a nazi. You are a totalitarian prick, ratty on uppers.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:16pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:15pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:09pm: Wow. Too complicated for you eh? You throw the word fascist around with gay abandon for anyone you disagree with. But you forget what a communist is as soon as you are asked if you are one. No, I've defined the word fascism in a thread here and everyone ran crying.  Your modus operandi is to say random BS and flee debate. I am destroying you by asking questions you can't answer, and making obvious that your original posts were meaningless. I need to know what YOU think a communist is, your definition of if I am one or not.  LOL!!! Great. What about communism? Are you a communist? Depends, what do you mean by the question?

Ah. I mean, are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

Ah. I mean, are you a communist?

this must be the fabled debating ability of the right wing.....

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Well, you are  ignorant,  vicious and blinkered enough to be both a  commie and a nazi. You are a totalitarian prick, ratty on uppers.

It's funny the right wing fundamentally agree with hitler and talk like this.  LOL!!!!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:21pm: Ah. I mean, are you a communist? this must be the fabled debating ability of the right wing.....

You can make the answer as complicated as you want. It is still a very simple question.

Are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

You can make the answer as complicated as you want. It is still a very simple question. Are you a communist?

It's amusing to me that you have no capacity for discussion or debate.

Let's start one.

Are you a communist?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:44pm:

Let's start one. Are you a communist?

What do you mean by that? What would make me a communist? Reading Marx? Supporting Stalinism? Admiring Cuba? Wanting to live in China?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:44pm: Let's start one. Are you a communist? What do you mean by that? What would make me a communist? Reading Marx? Supporting Stalinism? Admiring Cuba? Wanting to live in China?

By your own definition.

Go on.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:49pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:44pm: Let's start one. Are you a communist? What do you mean by that? What would make me a communist? Reading Marx? Supporting Stalinism? Admiring Cuba? Wanting to live in China? By your own definition. Go on.

By my own definition, no, I'm not a communist. Right wing extremists just assume that extremism is the only option, so if I am not far right I must be far left

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:54pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:49pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:44pm: Let's start one. Are you a communist? What do you mean by that? What would make me a communist? Reading Marx? Supporting Stalinism? Admiring Cuba? Wanting to live in China? By your own definition. Go on. By my own definition, no, I'm not a communist. Right wing extremists just assume that extremism is the only option, so if I am not far right I must be far left

Well, it wasn't that hard, once you comprehended a simple question (took you a lot of running, crying and yeah-but-no-butting).

Not that your definition IS THE definition, either for commies, fascists, right wing etc.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:

Well, it wasn't that hard, once you comprehended a simple question (took you a lot of running, crying and yeah-but-no-butting). Not that your definition IS THE definition, either for commies, fascists, right wing etc.

Now you're getting it.  If I just said no, I would not know what he meant by the question, or if my answer was accurate

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:54pm: Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:54pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:49pm: freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 4:44pm: Let's start one. Are you a communist? What do you mean by that? What would make me a communist? Reading Marx? Supporting Stalinism? Admiring Cuba? Wanting to live in China? By your own definition. Go on. By my own definition, no, I'm not a communist. Right wing extremists just assume that extremism is the only option, so if I am not far right I must be far left Well, it wasn't that hard, once you comprehended a simple question (took you a lot of running, crying and yeah-but-no-butting). Not that your definition IS THE definition, either for commies, fascists, right wing etc.

In this case, however, there are clearly a form of madness. Only an extremist would view everyday thinking as fascist or anything remotely similar - anyway - trannies are still not getting their way and their problems are all their own making.... they can get help to heal the rift between their mind and body.  Sounds easier to treat the head than sculpt the body...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

In this case, however, there are clearly a form of madness. Only an extremist would view everyday thinking as fascist or anything remotely similar - anyway - trannies are still not getting their way and their problems are all their own making.... they can get help to heal the rift between their mind and body.  Sounds easier to treat the head than sculpt the body...

So you're saying Nazism was not fascism in Germany, because it was every day thinking?

Cry about cock on another thread, this ones about communism.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:

‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property.

quick google:

"What is Marx view on private property?

As Marx says, under capitalism, "private property has already been abolished for nine-tenths of the population." In other words, as long as the economy is run by a few wealthy people in their own interest, the working class won't be able to achieve prosperity.

Hence we can see Hitler's first mis-characterization of Marxism.


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Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

Hitler's comment here re  'negation of personality' merely confirms he is a typical Conservative who surmises government on behalf of collective well-being will necessarily 'negate personality' (no doubt,  of criminal drug lords and the like....). 

And as for "patriotism", it is mostly "the last refuge of the scoundrel"; and of course  nationalists (and Hitler was above all a nationalist, like most flag-waving Conservatives).   

Whereas  Marxists are indeed internationalists: the world urgently needs to put aside nationalism and adopt an international rules based system  (meaning the power of veto in the UNSC has to be consigned to the dust-bin of history).   


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‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists.

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That's right, because Hitler was a Conservative, as shown above).


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We are not internationalists.

As pointed out above.


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Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

So workers exist for the fulfillment of the racist state....

That's fascism, certainly neither Marxism or socialism. 


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‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’

Ok...healthy individuals and healthy community, good.


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‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed. ‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity.

I would say 50/50, but anyway...


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No healthy man is a Marxian.

Conservative ideological BS...


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Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration.

Non sequitur....


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Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’

A quaint juxtaposition of  starry-eyed  Conservationism (Bavaria) set against exploitative capitalism in the North.   


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‘Where will you find the room to work?’ ‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'” https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/

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So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities.

I think Hitler - obviously a very confused man in search of an ideology -  succeeded in totally bamboozling you.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:05pm: In this case, however, there are clearly a form of madness. Only an extremist would view everyday thinking as fascist or anything remotely similar - anyway - trannies are still not getting their way and their problems are all their own making.... they can get help to heal the rift between their mind and body.  Sounds easier to treat the head than sculpt the body... So you're saying Nazism was not fascism in Germany, because it was every day thinking? Cry about cock on another thread, this ones about communism.

You re confusing yourself again... nobody said that Fascism was ordinary everyday thinking - any more than the silliness of many Russians in actually believing their fearless leader is saving them from Fascists...

We all know how touchy you are about your trannies... don't let it lead you into rash actions...

Isn't it past your curfew time or are you on someone else's computer?  Not out with all your friends having a coldie or anything?  Glass of win with all the women friends?

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

You re confusing yourself again...

You might try some actual debate debate, as I did above in #56