Greens to flex Senate muscle in push for sick-pay safety net   :)

Sydney Morning Herald
July 23, 2022


The Greens will use their clout in the Senate to push for sick leave to be extended to casuals and other workers during negotiations over the federal government’s planned industrial relations reforms.

Leader Adam Bandt said the party also wanted to lift the minimum wage to 60 per cent of the median income, allow industry-wide bargaining and ensure all workers received minimum pay and conditions.

Greens leader Adam Bandt says the most pressing industrial reforms are boosting workers’ negotiating power and ending insecure work.


The Greens, which hold 12 seats in the new Senate, up from nine previously, will be critical to the government’s ability to pass any legislation opposed by the Coalition. 

“We want people to know that we will fight for better wages and rights at work just as hard as we’ll fight for the environment and the climate,” Bandt told this masthead.

“People put us in parliament in record numbers to push the government to do better.”   :)

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Labor has promised to make secure work an object of the Fair Work Act, but details remain unclear. It also plans to extend the powers of the Fair Work Commission to set minimum standards for gig workers.

The Greens want to outlaw insecure work altogether and empower the commission to create minimum standards for all workers, regardless of whether they are independent contractors or casual employees.

In 2018, they introduced a bill to amend the Fair Work Act to enable the industrial umpire to grant all workers the same basic entitlements.






Just days after the government was forced to reverse its decision to end the $750 pandemic leave payment for workers without access to sick leave, Bandt said that as part of that “genuine safety net” of conditions, he wanted to see sick pay extended to all types of workers.

“This is something we will raise whenever any industrial relations legislation comes before the Senate,” he said.



The Prime Minister is set to reinstate the pandemic leave payments after a national cabinet meeting of leaders today.

But the most pressing industrial reforms were boosting workers’ negotiating power, including by allowing them to bargain at an industry rather than enterprise level, and ending insecure work, he said. As part of the latter, the party wants to establish the presumption that all employment must be ongoing unless there is a case for genuine casual or contract employment.

The Greens’ push will be bolstered by new senators David Shoebridge, a former NSW MLC and workplace lawyer, and economist and employment expert Barbara Pocock. Bandt has also been a workplace lawyer.

Following the pandemic leave fallout, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said this week the situation had “really exposed” the increase in insecure work.

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“For casuals, so many of them don’t simply have sick leave,” he told 5AA radio on Monday.

Asked whether he saw that changing, Albanese didn’t answer directly but said “over a period of time, we need to work towards more secure work”.

“It can’t be changed overnight, it’s something that will be on the agenda at the jobs and skills summit – how we give people that security because it’s not just a matter of the fact of people not having sick leave or annual leave,” he said.

Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke said Labor’s plan for “more secure work, better pay and a fairer workplace system” was supported by the voting public.

“We will hear further ideas for reform when business, unions and civil society come together at the government’s jobs summit in September,” he said. “Those are the measures the government will be pursuing in the parliament.”

It's  like one night stands pushing for marital benefits.

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 9:48am:

It's  like one night stands pushing for marital benefits.

If people needed sex to survive and wanted marriage but only one night stands were on offer, sure

Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe .....

That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed.

Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example....

I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 11:26am:

Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first...

The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job.
Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most.

All theory, no experience.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 11:26am:

Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first...

It doesn't mean that, unless we choose it does

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 11:42am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience.

None of this is true.  You working in a factory does not make you an expert

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 11:42am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience.

Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::)

What do boomers have against coffee with milk?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:09pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk?

It isn't coffee with milk - it's coffee made with milk not water.... huge difference... coffee has to have balls, like any self-respecting Man...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:24pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk? It isn't coffee with milk - it's coffee made with milk not water.... huge difference... coffee has to have balls, like any self-respecting Man...

You think there's no water in a latte? HAHAHAHAAA!!!

My god you're a clueless old man

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:09pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk?

:D

You unerringly grab the crappy end of every stick, ratso, and  never let go. Uncanny.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:33pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:24pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk? It isn't coffee with milk - it's coffee made with milk not water.... huge difference... coffee has to have balls, like any self-respecting Man... You think there's no water in a latte? HAHAHAHAAA!!! My god you're a clueless old man

Steamed milk and espresso. Dope.

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 1:23pm:

You unerringly grab the crappy end of every stick, ratso, and  never let go. Uncanny.

Answer the question fool

crocodile wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 1:24pm:

Steamed milk and espresso. Dope.

How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 1:32pm:

crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water?

Steamed milk.

Latte` drinking cafe`communist... with the mouth of a houso and attitudes to match.... Loser!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 3:26pm:

Latte` drinking cafe`communist... with the mouth of a houso and attitudes to match.... Loser!

Do you even reply to things if you can't cry that I trigger you?

I voted Green once. Back in the Olden days when they were concerned with the air, rivers and forests.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

I voted Green once. Back in the Olden days when they were concerned with the air, rivers and forests.

As opposed to all of society being better?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 3:52pm: I voted Green once. Back in the Olden days when they were concerned with the air, rivers and forests. As opposed to all of society being better?

In what ways 'better'?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 3:46pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 3:26pm: Latte` drinking cafe`communist... with the mouth of a houso and attitudes to match.... Loser! Do you even reply to things if you can't cry that I trigger you?

Meh ......

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 9:48am:

It's  like one night stands pushing for marital benefits.

good ... then maybe they start hiring people full time again instead of calling them casuals so that they don't have to pay benefits

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 4:32pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 3:52pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 3:52pm: I voted Green once. Back in the Olden days when they were concerned with the air, rivers and forests. As opposed to all of society being better? In what ways 'better'?

Kinder, fairer, more decent. The things you hate

Given all you do is cry at me, I sent you a PM.  But you were scared to answer so I assume you're just attempting some sort of performance art where you demonstrate incompetence?

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 9:48am: It's  like one night stands pushing for marital benefits. good ... then maybe they start hiring people full time again instead of calling them casuals so that they don't have to pay benefits

It's more like a guy having sex with some woman and insisting he wants to get serious but he doesn't

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 12:24pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk? It isn't coffee with milk - it's coffee made with milk not water.... huge difference... coffee has to have balls, like any self-respecting Man...

;D ;D ;D


coffee in a mug full of water has about as much balls as you .... NONE

crocodile wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 1:24pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:33pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:24pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:09pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 12:08pm: Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:42am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 11:26am: Well - here's the bandicoot in the storm pipe ..... That means the casual loading component for sick leave will have to be taken out ... meaning the hourly rate will lower with no guarantee that sick leave will be taken, or equally to the total amount removed. Creative rostering could mean that a person who calls in sick for a six hour shift might be shifted to a two hour ... just an example.... I think if we're going to hang casual loading, maybe we want to just talk about it first... The thing about Green ideas like this is that none of them ever worked in a real job. Political activism at uni, research assistant, public service job at most. All theory, no experience. Sounds about right - it's all worked out over a latte` at lunch in front of the faux fire in winter....  ::) What do boomers have against coffee with milk? It isn't coffee with milk - it's coffee made with milk not water.... huge difference... coffee has to have balls, like any self-respecting Man... You think there's no water in a latte? HAHAHAHAAA!!! My god you're a clueless old man Steamed milk and espresso. Dope.

and the shot of espresso is? what exactly? ::)

crocodile wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 2:45pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk.

are you vying for an idiot award?

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 4:37pm:

crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award?

I don't think he's serious.  I think he's mocking the person who said it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 4:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 4:37pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award? I don't think he's serious.  I think he's mocking the person who said it

Ohh, in that case

Sorry Croc

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 4:37pm:

crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award?

Milk is 87% water anyway.

crocodile wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 4:37pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award? Milk is 87% water anyway.

'

But it isn't water LOL!! You can't run milk through an espresso machine

crocodile wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 4:37pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award? Milk is 87% water anyway.

and? we're 60% water too. Next time eat the coffee beans than piss in a cup, you can call that coffee too if thats your criteria

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 3:52pm: I voted Green once. Back in the Olden days when they were concerned with the air, rivers and forests. As opposed to all of society being better?

The Greens today are just a faction of the Left. In the Federal election that defeated the Gillard/Rudd Labor Party, the Green platform said little about environmental matters, which is where they got their name. The platform included onshore processing with legal  and financial support for anyone who claimed it. Deference to the UN. A policy that required the Australian military to fight defensively. Universal Basic Income. As a nationalist, I cannot vote for these policies.

These policies did not go down well, and while the Greens may still favour them, the have toned it down. The shiny new platform is online. But it should be remembered that the poster boy for the Greens got four people electrocuted with his hare-brained insulation scheme.

Unlike yourself, I do not see people as villains for not voting my way. The Greens are just way out of their depth.

Not quite sure about what FutureTheLeftWankTo asserts - fascist!

Have an alternative view - FASCIST!

Haven't  read any of the books he cant remember - FASCIST!!!

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2022 at 8:59pm:

crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 4:37pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award? Milk is 87% water anyway. and? we're 60% water too. Next time eat the coffee beans than piss in a cup, you can call that coffee too if thats your criteria

Don't drink coffee.

crocodile wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 11:06am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 8:59pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 4:37pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 2:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:32pm: crocodile wrote on Jul 23rd, 2022 at 1:24pm: Steamed milk and espresso. Dope. How does he think you get the taste out of the bean into liquid, without water? Steamed milk. are you vying for an idiot award? Milk is 87% water anyway. and? we're 60% water too. Next time eat the coffee beans than piss in a cup, you can call that coffee too if thats your criteria Don't drink coffee.

It was obvious from your total lack of even the most basic coffee knowledge.