https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCIJYVqBIBo

the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity.

continue to double down on pfizer if you want

i'm sure their mission statement is all about health and nothing to do with profits  ;D ;D

Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)


Quote:

John Lorimer Campbell is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and misleading commentary about vaccine safety. By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24am:

the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity

You think so? More than likely YouTube are overwhelmed with trying to remove a lot of misleading Covid content at the moment but I'm sure they'll get around to him eventually.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24am:

i'm sure their mission statement is all about health and nothing to do with profits  ;D ;D

Name one corporation that isn't in business to make profits.

Think hard.

(Here's a clue - if corporations were not making profits they would no longer be in business and, in the case of Pfizer we wouldn't have the excellent Covid vaccines we have today).

Your 'transformation' into another Sir Nail or wombatwoody is almost complete. Congratulations.

He is quoting directly from the official British government competition website

Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy 2500% in one year

And you think they have your best interests at heart

This feels like groundhog Day :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 6:03am:

Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy2500% in one year

I'd like to see the retired nurse's claim in print. from a reputable source (and PLEASE, not from a MEME)

This is all I could find

Pfizer Raises Covid Vaccine Price 27%

June 30, 2022 9:04 am ET

Pfizer has raised the U.S. price of its Covid-19 vaccine, in another sign that investors may be underestimating the durability of its Covid-19 vaccine revenue.

On Wednesday night, Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and its partner BioNTech (BNTX) said that they had signed a $3.2 billion deal with the U.S. government for 105 million doses of their Covid-19 vaccine, to be delivered late this summer and in the fourth quarter of the year.

That price of $30.48 per dose represents a 27% increase over the reported $24 the U.S. paid Pfizer and BioNTech per dose for 200 million in July of 2021. It is 56.3% higher than the $19.50 per dose the U.S. paid for an initial order of 100 million shots in July 2020.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199


Did someone lose a decimal point ?

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 4:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 6:03am: Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy2500% in one year I'd like to see the retired nurse's claim in print. from a reputable source (and PLEASE, not from a MEME) This is all I could find Pfizer Raises Covid Vaccine Price 27% June 30, 2022 9:04 am ET Pfizer has raised the U.S. price of its Covid-19 vaccine, in another sign that investors may be underestimating the durability of its Covid-19 vaccine revenue. On Wednesday night, Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and its partner BioNTech (BNTX) said that they had signed a $3.2 billion deal with the U.S. government for 105 million doses of their Covid-19 vaccine, to be delivered late this summer and in the fourth quarter of the year. That price of $30.48 per dose represents a 27% increase over the reported $24 the U.S. paid Pfizer and BioNTech per dose for 200 million in July of 2021. It is 56.3% higher than the $19.50 per dose the U.S. paid for an initial order of 100 million shots in July 2020. https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199 Did someone lose a decimal point ?

hi buzz, you obviously didnt watch this excellent video.

pfizer were fined 100 million dollars by the british competition commision for increasing the price of dilantin (an epileptic medication that is off patent ) by 2500 %.

probably some people died as a result, because stopping your seizure meds is a bad idea.

is the UK government official website an acceptable link  ::) ::) ::)



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/70-million-in-fines-for-pharma-firms-that-overcharged-nhs

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 4:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 6:03am: Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy2500% in one year I'd like to see the retired nurse's claim in print. from a reputable source (and PLEASE, not from a MEME) This is all I could find Pfizer Raises Covid Vaccine Price 27% June 30, 2022 9:04 am ET Pfizer has raised the U.S. price of its Covid-19 vaccine, in another sign that investors may be underestimating the durability of its Covid-19 vaccine revenue. On Wednesday night, Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and its partner BioNTech (BNTX) said that they had signed a $3.2 billion deal with the U.S. government for 105 million doses of their Covid-19 vaccine, to be delivered late this summer and in the fourth quarter of the year. That price of $30.48 per dose represents a 27% increase over the reported $24 the U.S. paid Pfizer and BioNTech per dose for 200 million in July of 2021. It is 56.3% higher than the $19.50 per dose the U.S. paid for an initial order of 100 million shots in July 2020. https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199 Did someone lose a decimal point ? hi buzz, you obviously didnt watch this excellent video. pfizer were fined 100 million dollars by the british competition commision for increasing the price of dilantin (an epileptic medication that is off patent ) by 2500 %. probably some people died as a result, because stopping your seizure meds is a bad idea. is the UK government official website an acceptable link  ::) ::) ::) https://www.gov.uk/government/news/70-million-in-fines-for-pharma-firms-that-overcharged-nhs

As this forum is called "Coronavirus" - I would have expected your post to have something related to Pfizer Covid vaccines, as you implied ?

It DIDN'T

But in relation to epilepsy medication, he/you have shown that the system WORKS




* and has been pointed out, pharmaceutical companies are multi-national corporations with shareholders

NONE of them have EVER claimed to be a "charity"


.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24am:

the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity.

Mate... Are you serious?  That's one of the most absurd examples of
a non sequitur I've seen for a long time!

I thank you for giving me the best laugh of my otherwise dreary day.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24am:

the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity. continue to double down on pfizer if you want i'm sure their mission statement is all about health and nothing to do with profits  ;D ;D

Drug Cartel: Pfizer shatters profit records, continues raising prices on taxpayer-funded, liability-free products

While many Americans are struggling to put food on the table, Pfizer’s taxpayer-supplied profits almost doubled year over year.

https://dossier.substack.com/p/drug-cartel-pfizer-shatters-profit


$3.2 Billion Taxpayer-Funded Deal With Pfizer Will ‘Enrich Shareholders of Most Profitable Industry in History’

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/3-2-billion-taxpayer-funded-deal-with-pfizer-will-enrich-shareholders-of-most-profitable-industry-in-history/

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:24am: the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity. Mate... Are you serious?  That's one of the most absurd examples of a non sequitur I've seen for a long time! I thank you for giving me the best laugh of my otherwise dreary day.

mate , are you serious.
youtube have deplatformed all content that questions the vax.

twitter has deplatformed all content promoting ivermectin.
100's of doctors have had their accounts frozen for "promoting vaccine hesitancy"

control the media.
straight out of stalins playbook.   educate yourself  ::) ::)

from NPR  , the american equivalent of our ABC


YouTube is cracking down on the spread of misinformation by banning misleading and inaccurate content about vaccines.

The platform announced the change in a blog post Wednesday, explaining that its current community guidelines, which already prohibit the sharing of medical misinformation, have been extended to cover "currently administered" vaccines that have been proven safe by the World Health Organization and other health officials.

The site had previously banned content containing false claims about COVID-19 vaccines under its COVID-19 misinformation policy. The change extends that policy to a far wider number of vaccines

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041493544/youtube-vaccine-misinformation-ban

educate yourself

aquascoot wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 5:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 3rd, 2022 at 2:12am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:24am: the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity. Mate... Are you serious?  That's one of the most absurd examples of a non sequitur I've seen for a long time! I thank you for giving me the best laugh of my otherwise dreary day. mate , are you serious. youtube have deplatformed all content that questions the vax. twitter has deplatformed all content promoting ivermectin. 100's of doctors have had their accounts frozen for "promoting vaccine hesitancy" control the media. straight out of stalins playbook.   educate yourself  ::) ::)

So now you're claiming that YouTube's content managers are sufficiently
medically qualified in order to sort out which COVID related content is
accredited or simply bullshit?  Hardly a clinical standard of any sort LOL.

There are dozens of YouTube videos with self-proclaimed "experts" still
claiming that Ivermectin is a suitable drug for preventing COVID.


Quote:

The FDA has not authorised or approved Ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.  Currently available data do not show Ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.

   

campbell never said it worked.

he was bemused that no one would study it (because there was no cash in it for big pharma).

campbell has repeatedly asked for the data on whether natural immunity works better then vaccine immunity (which the authorities have ) to be released.

it hasnt been.

it would be harder to promote vaccines if data showed having had the disease protected you better then 4 jabs.

ask yourself this.

why does sweden have 3 or 4 deaths a day and new zealand has 30 or 40?

could natural immunity be protective?

worth studying?

or just embarrassing for the promoters of jabs

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 4:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 6:03am: Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy2500% in one year I'd like to see the retired nurse's claim in print. from a reputable source (and PLEASE, not from a MEME) This is all I could find Pfizer Raises Covid Vaccine Price 27% June 30, 2022 9:04 am ET Pfizer has raised the U.S. price of its Covid-19 vaccine, in another sign that investors may be underestimating the durability of its Covid-19 vaccine revenue. On Wednesday night, Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and its partner BioNTech (BNTX) said that they had signed a $3.2 billion deal with the U.S. government for 105 million doses of their Covid-19 vaccine, to be delivered late this summer and in the fourth quarter of the year. That price of $30.48 per dose represents a 27% increase over the reported $24 the U.S. paid Pfizer and BioNTech per dose for 200 million in July of 2021. It is 56.3% higher than the $19.50 per dose the U.S. paid for an initial order of 100 million shots in July 2020. https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199 Did someone lose a decimal point ? hi buzz, you obviously didnt watch this excellent video. pfizer were fined 100 million dollars by the british competition commision for increasing the price of dilantin (an epileptic medication that is off patent ) by 2500 %. probably some people died as a result, because stopping your seizure meds is a bad idea. is the UK government official website an acceptable link  ::) ::) ::) https://www.gov.uk/government/news/70-million-in-fines-for-pharma-firms-that-overcharged-nhs

They probably increased it because patients are working out that it's rubbish.
We have a family member with epilepsy and they use hemp oils now.
Unbelievable results.
TGA approved.
Amazing, and it's from mother earth, not some lab hell bent on keeping you sick.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 5:11am:

youtube have "deplatformed" all content that questions the vax. twitter has "deplatformed" all content promoting ivermectin.

BOTH have ONLY banned and closed accounts - after repeated warnings - for posting dangerous information and blatant lies

There's plenty of leeway there

These standards have NOT been set by "big pharma" - "big health" - "big democrat" - "big newspaper" - or an other "bigs" an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist would like to blame

But by Google and Twitter, themselves


.
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who pays the piper calls the tune

Social ad spending analyst firm Pathmatics tracks millions of dollars spent by pharma companies on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. In 2020, for instance, the top five advertisers—Pfizer ($155 million), GlaxoSmithKline ($148 million), Allergan ($119 million), Merck ($116 million) and Novartis ($114 million)—would add $652 million alone to the industry's tally.

Also, there's this classic:

The book, Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future, offers a chilling exposé on the manufacturing of "independent experts." Public relations firms and corporations have seized upon a slick new way of getting you to buy what they have to sell: Let you hear it from a neutral "third party," like a professor or a pediatrician or a soccer mom or a watchdog group. The problem is, these third parties are usually anything but neutral. They have been handpicked, cultivated, and meticulously packaged to make you believe what they have to say--preferably in an "objective" format like a news show or a letter to the editor. And in some cases, they have been paid handsomely for their "opinions."

For example:

    You think that nonprofit organizations just give away their stamps of approval on products? Bristol-Myers Squibb paid $600,000 to the American Heart Association for the right to display AHA's name and logo in ads for its cholesterol-lowering drug Pravachol. Smith Kline Beecham paid the American Cancer Society $1 million for the right to use its logo in ads for Beecham's Nicoderm CQ and Nicorette anti-smoking ads.

    You think that you're witnessing a spontaneous public debate over a national issue? When the Justice Department began antitrust investigations of the Microsoft Corporation in 1998, Microsoft's public relations firm countered with a plan to plant pro-Microsoft articles, letters to the editor, and opinion pieces all across the nation, crafted by professional media handlers but meant to be perceived as off-the-cuff, heart-felt testimonials by "people out there."

    You think that a study out of a prestigious university is completely unbiased? In 1997, Georgetown University's Credit Research Center issued a study which concluded that many debtors are using bankruptcy as an excuse to wriggle out of their obligations to creditors. Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen cited the study in a Washington Times column and advocated for changes in federal law to make it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy relief. What Bentsen failed to mention was that the Credit Research Center is funded in its entirety by credit card companies, banks, retailers, and others in the credit industry; that the study itself was produced with a $100,000 grant from Visa USA and MasterCard International Inc.; and that Bentsen himself had been hired to work as a credit-industry lobbyist.

    You think that all grassroots organizations are truly grassroots? In 1993, a group called Mothers Opposing Pollution (MOP) appeared, calling itself "the largest women's environmental group in Australia, with thousands of supporters across the country." Their cause: A campaign against plastic milk bottles. It turned out that the group's spokesperson, Alana Maloney, was in truth a woman named Janet Rundle, the business partner of a man who did P.R. for the Association of Liquidpaperboard Carton Manufacturers-the makers of paper milk cartons.

    You think that if a scientist says so, it must be true? In the early 1990s, tobacco companies secretly paid thirteen scientists a total of $156,000 to write a few letters to influential medical journals. One biostatistician received $10,000 for writing a single, eight-paragraph letter that was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. A cancer researcher received $20,137 for writing four letters and an opinion piece to the Lancet, the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, and the Wall Street Journal. Nice work if you can get it, especially since the scientists didn't even have to write the letters themselves. Two tobacco-industry law firms were available to do the actual drafting and editing.

Authors Rampton and Stauber reveal many more such examples of "perception management"--all of them orchestrated to make us buy or believe whatever the "independent expert" is pushing. They also explore the underlying assumptions about human psychology--e.g., "the public must be manipulated for its own good"--that make this kind of subliminal hard-sell possible.


https://www.prwatch.org/books/experts.html

a must read wombat
thanks for that

did you know why marjuhana was made illegal?


a media campaign by the biggest newspapers in america which owned paper mills and didnt want hemp to be used for publishing


Today, he would be like a Mark Zuckerburg, CNN, and Fox news, and Jack Dorsey combination—a media super baby if you will—that controls everything people see.

Hearst was paper rich, a timber tycoon, and hemp was the new billion-dollar crop that was going to grow paper faster and cheaper than timber.

In 1938, Popular Mechanics basically told Hearst, “your tree paper is obsolete and will be replaced with the future: hemp paper. Hemp will also replace 25,000 other products, but specifically, f#@$ your tree paper.” But William Randolph Hearst wasn’t going down like that.

Hearst used his many newspapers to stoke racism and demonize cannabis into a deadly drug he called “Marihuana.”

hmm

Pfizer's History of Fraud, Corruption, and Using Nigerian Children as 'Human Guinea Pigs'

How did Pfizer manage to rebrand itself as the savior of humanity?

One of the most significant cultural transformations of the last two years has been the newfound glorification of the pharmaceutical industry.

An industry plagued by decades of fraud, corruption, and criminality managed to quickly rebrand itself as the savior of humanity during the covid-19 crisis.

But nothing inherently changed. Big Pharma still values shareholders’ profits more than people’s lives.

The regulatory agencies still operate as revolving doors to the pharmaceutical giants they are said to regulate.

Big Pharma still dominates lobbying efforts in Washington DC and spends billions each year advertising pharmaceutical products.

Despite the notorious corrupt nature of the pharmaceutical industry, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla claimed during a November 2021 interview, that a small group of “medical professionals” who are intentionally circulating “misinformation” critical of the Pfizer vaccine narrative are “criminals”.

Bourla seemed to have forgotten about the history of his own company.


Pfizer’s Long History Of Criminal Behavior

    In 1992, Pfizer agreed to pay between $165 million and $215 million to settle lawsuits arising from the fracturing of its Bjork-Shiley Convexo-Concave heart valve, which at the time had resulted in nearly 300 deaths, and by 2012 had resulted in 663 deaths.

    In 1994, Pfizer agreed to pay $10.75 million to settle Justice Department claims that the company lied to get federal approval for a mechanical heart valve that has fractured, killing hundreds of patients worldwide. Under the settlement, Pfizer also agreed to pay $9.25 million in coming years to monitor patients who received the device at Veterans Administration hospitals or pay for its removal. The deal was criticized by consumer rights activists who urged Government officials to bring criminal charges and lobbied for a steeper civil penalty for the multibillion-dollar company that had covered up safety concerns even as the device was killing patients.

    In 1996, Pfizer administered an experimental drug during a clinical trial on 200 children in Nigeria but never told the parents that their children were the subjects of an experiment. Eleven of the children died and many others suffered side effects such as brain damage and organ failure. A report by Nigeria’s health ministry concluded, the experiment was "an illegal trial of an unregistered drug," a "clear case of exploitation of the ignorant," and a violation of Nigerian and international law. Pfizer did not obtain consent or inform the patients that they were the subjects of an experiment, not the recipients of an approved drug.

    In 2002, Pfizer agreed to pay $49 million to settle allegations that the drug company defrauded the federal government and 40 states by charging too much for its cholesterol treatment Lipitor. Lipitor had sales of $6.45 billion in 2001.

    In 2004, Pfizer agreed to plead guilty to two felonies and paid $430 million in penalties to settle charges that it fraudulently promoted the drug Neurontin for unapproved uses. Pfizer agreed that it aggressively marketed the epilepsy drug by illicit means for unrelated conditions including bipolar disorder, pain, migraine headaches, and drug and alcohol withdrawal. Pfizer’s tactics included planting company operatives in the audience at medical education events and bribing doctors with luxury trips.

bribing doctors with luxury trips

bribing doctors with luxury trips

bribing doctors with luxury trips

bribing doctors with luxury trips


Prosecutors said Warner-Lambert turned Neurontin into a blockbuster drug with tactics like paying doctors to listen to pitches for unapproved uses and treating them to luxury trips to Hawaii, Florida or the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. One doctor received almost $308,000 to tout Neurontin at conferences.

    In 2008, the New York Times published an article entitled, “Experts Conclude Pfizer Manipulated Studies.” Pfizer delayed the publication of negative studies, spun negative data to place it in a more positive light, and controlled the flow of clinical research data in order to promote it’s epilepsy drug Neurontin. Pfizer discontinued its marketing program for Neurontin in 2004 after the drug became available as a generic. That same year, the company paid $430 million to settle federal criminal and civil claims that one of its subsidiaries had promoted the drug for unapproved uses.

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wombatwoody wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

Pfizer's History of Fraud, Corruption, and Using Nigerian Children as 'Human Guinea Pigs' How did Pfizer manage to rebrand itself as the savior of humanity? One of the most significant cultural transformations of the last two years has been the newfound glorification of the pharmaceutical industry. An industry plagued by decades of fraud, corruption, and criminality managed to quickly rebrand itself as the savior of humanity during the covid-19 crisis. But nothing inherently changed. Big Pharma still values shareholders’ profits more than people’s lives. The regulatory agencies still operate as revolving doors to the pharmaceutical giants they are said to regulate. Big Pharma still dominates lobbying efforts in Washington DC and spends billions each year advertising pharmaceutical products. Despite the notorious corrupt nature of the pharmaceutical industry, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla claimed during a November 2021 interview, that a small group of “medical professionals” who are intentionally circulating “misinformation” critical of the Pfizer vaccine narrative are “criminals”. Bourla seemed to have forgotten about the history of his own company. Pfizer’s Long History Of Criminal Behavior     In 1992, Pfizer agreed to pay between $165 million and $215 million to settle lawsuits arising from the fracturing of its Bjork-Shiley Convexo-Concave heart valve, which at the time had resulted in nearly 300 deaths, and by 2012 had resulted in 663 deaths.     In 1994, Pfizer agreed to pay $10.75 million to settle Justice Department claims that the company lied to get federal approval for a mechanical heart valve that has fractured, killing hundreds of patients worldwide. Under the settlement, Pfizer also agreed to pay $9.25 million in coming years to monitor patients who received the device at Veterans Administration hospitals or pay for its removal. The deal was criticized by consumer rights activists who urged Government officials to bring criminal charges and lobbied for a steeper civil penalty for the multibillion-dollar company that had covered up safety concerns even as the device was killing patients.     In 1996, Pfizer administered an experimental drug during a clinical trial on 200 children in Nigeria but never told the parents that their children were the subjects of an experiment. Eleven of the children died and many others suffered side effects such as brain damage and organ failure. A report by Nigeria’s health ministry concluded, the experiment was "an illegal trial of an unregistered drug," a "clear case of exploitation of the ignorant," and a violation of Nigerian and international law. Pfizer did not obtain consent or inform the patients that they were the subjects of an experiment, not the recipients of an approved drug.     In 2002, Pfizer agreed to pay $49 million to settle allegations that the drug company defrauded the federal government and 40 states by charging too much for its cholesterol treatment Lipitor. Lipitor had sales of $6.45 billion in 2001.     In 2004, Pfizer agreed to plead guilty to two felonies and paid $430 million in penalties to settle charges that it fraudulently promoted the drug Neurontin for unapproved uses. Pfizer agreed that it aggressively marketed the epilepsy drug by illicit means for unrelated conditions including bipolar disorder, pain, migraine headaches, and drug and alcohol withdrawal. Pfizer’s tactics included planting company operatives in the audience at medical education events and bribing doctors with luxury trips. bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips Prosecutors said Warner-Lambert turned Neurontin into a blockbuster drug with tactics like paying doctors to listen to pitches for unapproved uses and treating them to luxury trips to Hawaii, Florida or the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. One doctor received almost $308,000 to tout Neurontin at conferences.     In 2008, the New York Times published an article entitled, “Experts Conclude Pfizer Manipulated Studies.” Pfizer delayed the publication of negative studies, spun negative data to place it in a more positive light, and controlled the flow of clinical research data in order to promote it’s epilepsy drug Neurontin. Pfizer discontinued its marketing program for Neurontin in 2004 after the drug became available as a generic. That same year, the company paid $430 million to settle federal criminal and civil claims that one of its subsidiaries had promoted the drug for unapproved uses.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/you-idiot-light-box-sign-board-wooden-table-110480935.jpg

Carl D wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56am:

Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) Quote: John Lorimer Campbell is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and misleading commentary about vaccine safety. By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times.

Yep it's groundhog day again when people leave this out.


Quote:

Campbell received a diploma in nursing from the University of London and Bachelor of Science in biology from the Open University. He subsequently earned a Master of Science in health science from the University of Lancaster and a Ph.D. in nursing education from the University of Bolton.[7] The doctorate was awarded in 2013 for work on developing teaching methods using digital media such as online videos.[7]

Funny how everyone leaves out the bit where he has relevant Science qualifications.  ::)

What happened to follow the Science?  ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 11:23pm:

Carl D wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:56am: Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) Quote: John Lorimer Campbell is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and misleading commentary about vaccine safety. By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times. Yep it's groundhog day again when people leave this out. [quote] Campbell received a diploma in nursing from the University of London and Bachelor of Science in biology from the Open University. He subsequently earned a Master of Science in health science from the University of Lancaster and a Ph.D. in nursing education from the University of Bolton.[7] The doctorate was awarded in 2013 for work on developing teaching methods using digital media such as online videos.[7]

Funny how everyone leaves out the bit where he has relevant Science qualifications.  ::)

What happened to follow the Science?  ::)


[/quote]

Corrupt money from Big Pharma put an end to it:

"The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful."

Arnold S. Relman, former editor, New England Journal of Medicine

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56pm:

hi buzz, you obviously didnt watch this excellent video.

With due respect - I'm not in the habit of sourcing my medical advice from long-retired nurses

I have the best medical team and best medical advice I've had in my LIFE - through my teams at ...

https://springsmedical.com.au/springs-medical-daylesford.php

https://www.bhs.org.au/about-us/


Technically, we're both in the 'silly old coot' category, ourselves,
but I've no intention of spending even a quarter of an hour
listening to the rants, ravings and ramblings of ANOTHER one



.

That's weird

All he does is present data from the American FDA
And the British national health

Ignore that data if you wish

And swallow the mainstream narrative

How's that narrative going by the way
Every chief health officer in Australia and every politician was saying this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms

Maybe the retired nurse collecting the data is more honourable then the charlatans who have suddenly gone radio silent

I know Dr Jeannette young has moved into her 100 million dollar castle on 20 acres of the most prime real estate in Brisbane :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 8:17am:

And swallow the mainstream narrative

Wasn't Nellie Neanderthal covering the mainstream media conspiracy theories ?


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aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 8:17am:

How's that narrative going by the way Every chief health officer in Australia and every politician was saying this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms

Yes, this was the "National Plan" supposedly agreed on last year.

Which was (sort of*) OK until Delta and Omicron and it's numerous variants came along.

But, despite the fact it should have been obvious even to to Blind Freddy that the "jabs in arms then open up and let it rip" approach wouldn't work they still went ahead and did it anyway.

Which is why we are in the Covid mess we're in today.


* Even though probably nowhere near the 12,326 deaths so far the "National Plan" still estimated a certain number of deaths which was still unacceptable to me and many others but they were thinking then (as they are still thinking today) that it's mainly the 'oldies' who are dying so that's OK - thinking of all the money they are saving on pensions and health care, etc.

There is probably some truth to what you say Karl
Certainly no one in their right mind should ever rely on the government

Situation you describe is going to become much much much much worse in the coming decades
Has the number of people over 80 quadruples

There is simply not a chance on earth that the hospital system and the aged care system and the taxation system are going to be able to cope with this incredible bulge

Self-reliance will be the only route to having any control

Work on your health
work on your finances
If you are 60 and you intend on relying on the government to provide you with cash and healthcare into the future
I would consider you out of your mind

Carl D wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56am:

Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) Quote: John Lorimer Campbell is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and misleading commentary about vaccine safety. By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times.

Behind every "snake oil salesman" trying to flog equine worming paste,
as a "cure all" COVID19 treatment,
you'll find a flag-waving Trump bobby-soxxer

(did someone forget the Domestos I.V. ?)



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Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 8:17am: How's that narrative going by the way Every chief health officer in Australia and every politician was saying this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms Yes, this was the "National Plan" supposedly agreed on last year. Which was (sort of*) OK until Delta and Omicron and it's numerous variants came along. But, despite the fact it should have been obvious even to to Blind Freddy that the "jabs in arms then open up and let it rip" approach wouldn't work they still went ahead and did it anyway. Which is why we are in the Covid mess we're in today. * Even though probably nowhere near the 12,326 deaths so far the "National Plan" still estimated a certain number of deaths which was still unacceptable to me and many others but they were thinking then (as they are still thinking today) that it's mainly the 'oldies' who are dying so that's OK - thinking of all the money they are saving on pensions and health care, etc.

Don't you think that lockdowns, border closures and other such measures also caused some deaths?

It has been stated by established medical authorities that lockdowns would not control ba.5 anyway.

When you have a condition that has about the same morbidity rate as seasonal flu, it's difficult to do anything more than advise people to wear masks, maintain social distancing etc.

I have done all this from the beginning. I remember being berated for wearing a mask in Narooma NSW when I was there for the 2019/20 Bushfire Emergency.  It was in a Pharmacy, and I replied that in case there was any doubt, I don't actually have it and I don't want to get it.

My risk control measures are my own personal business.  Once they started mandating masks, nobody blinked an eye about mask wearing, except that  you had all these idiots wearing masks around their necks, or not covering their noses with the mask. The police didn't enforce anything.

Then you had silly rules about where you could eat.  I had my car in for new tyres, and I couldn't find anywhere where I could legally eat my take-away. Park benches were off-limits. I finally went into a police station and asked them to clarify the rules (this was in Batemans Bay)

When blanket rules trump informed individual decisions, that's where people stop thinking for themselves.

As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities.

There are signs (not speaking too soon I hope) that the current wave of infections have peaked.

I can't seem to recall any year where Australia has had over 12,000 deaths from the flu? Estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 deaths from Covid by the end of this year if things keep going the way they are.

The current wave of infections may be peaking but it looks like all we will be doing is waiting for the next wave... and the next... endless waves of Covid with the huge number of hospitalisations and deaths that go with each one.

I don't know if our current wave was caused by BA.4 and/or BA.5 but there's still BA.2.75 to come and even a newer BA.4.6 variant of concern.

And, as I've said before - it is WAY past the time to forget the "Omicron is mild" BS and start giving these new variants their own Greek letter.            

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 6:06pm: Pfizer's History of Fraud, Corruption, and Using Nigerian Children as 'Human Guinea Pigs' How did Pfizer manage to rebrand itself as the savior of humanity? One of the most significant cultural transformations of the last two years has been the newfound glorification of the pharmaceutical industry. An industry plagued by decades of fraud, corruption, and criminality managed to quickly rebrand itself as the savior of humanity during the covid-19 crisis. But nothing inherently changed. Big Pharma still values shareholders’ profits more than people’s lives. The regulatory agencies still operate as revolving doors to the pharmaceutical giants they are said to regulate. Big Pharma still dominates lobbying efforts in Washington DC and spends billions each year advertising pharmaceutical products. Despite the notorious corrupt nature of the pharmaceutical industry, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla claimed during a November 2021 interview, that a small group of “medical professionals” who are intentionally circulating “misinformation” critical of the Pfizer vaccine narrative are “criminals”. Bourla seemed to have forgotten about the history of his own company. Pfizer’s Long History Of Criminal Behavior     In 1992, Pfizer agreed to pay between $165 million and $215 million to settle lawsuits arising from the fracturing of its Bjork-Shiley Convexo-Concave heart valve, which at the time had resulted in nearly 300 deaths, and by 2012 had resulted in 663 deaths.     In 1994, Pfizer agreed to pay $10.75 million to settle Justice Department claims that the company lied to get federal approval for a mechanical heart valve that has fractured, killing hundreds of patients worldwide. Under the settlement, Pfizer also agreed to pay $9.25 million in coming years to monitor patients who received the device at Veterans Administration hospitals or pay for its removal. The deal was criticized by consumer rights activists who urged Government officials to bring criminal charges and lobbied for a steeper civil penalty for the multibillion-dollar company that had covered up safety concerns even as the device was killing patients.     In 1996, Pfizer administered an experimental drug during a clinical trial on 200 children in Nigeria but never told the parents that their children were the subjects of an experiment. Eleven of the children died and many others suffered side effects such as brain damage and organ failure. A report by Nigeria’s health ministry concluded, the experiment was "an illegal trial of an unregistered drug," a "clear case of exploitation of the ignorant," and a violation of Nigerian and international law. Pfizer did not obtain consent or inform the patients that they were the subjects of an experiment, not the recipients of an approved drug.     In 2002, Pfizer agreed to pay $49 million to settle allegations that the drug company defrauded the federal government and 40 states by charging too much for its cholesterol treatment Lipitor. Lipitor had sales of $6.45 billion in 2001.     In 2004, Pfizer agreed to plead guilty to two felonies and paid $430 million in penalties to settle charges that it fraudulently promoted the drug Neurontin for unapproved uses. Pfizer agreed that it aggressively marketed the epilepsy drug by illicit means for unrelated conditions including bipolar disorder, pain, migraine headaches, and drug and alcohol withdrawal. Pfizer’s tactics included planting company operatives in the audience at medical education events and bribing doctors with luxury trips. bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips bribing doctors with luxury trips Prosecutors said Warner-Lambert turned Neurontin into a blockbuster drug with tactics like paying doctors to listen to pitches for unapproved uses and treating them to luxury trips to Hawaii, Florida or the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. One doctor received almost $308,000 to tout Neurontin at conferences.     In 2008, the New York Times published an article entitled, “Experts Conclude Pfizer Manipulated Studies.” Pfizer delayed the publication of negative studies, spun negative data to place it in a more positive light, and controlled the flow of clinical research data in order to promote it’s epilepsy drug Neurontin. Pfizer discontinued its marketing program for Neurontin in 2004 after the drug became available as a generic. That same year, the company paid $430 million to settle federal criminal and civil claims that one of its subsidiaries had promoted the drug for unapproved uses. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/you-idiot-light-box-sign-board-wooden-table-110480935.jpg

Groggy you never explained why. Could you jump online and explain why?

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 11:42am:

I can't seem to recall any year where Australia has had over 12,000 deaths from the flu? Estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 deaths from Covid by the end of this year if things keep going the way they are. The current wave of infections may be peaking but it looks like all we will be doing is waiting for the next wave... and the next... endless waves of Covid with the huge number of hospitalisations and deaths that go with each one. I don't know if our current wave was caused by BA.4 and/or BA.5 but there's still BA.2.75 to come and even a newer BA.4.6 variant of concern. And, as I've said before - it is WAY past the time to forget the "Omicron is mild" BS and start giving these new variants their own Greek letter.

When they call a variant omega, I'll start to worry.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 12:36pm:

Carl D wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:42am: I can't seem to recall any year where Australia has had over 12,000 deaths from the flu? Estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 deaths from Covid by the end of this year if things keep going the way they are. The current wave of infections may be peaking but it looks like all we will be doing is waiting for the next wave... and the next... endless waves of Covid with the huge number of hospitalisations and deaths that go with each one. I don't know if our current wave was caused by BA.4 and/or BA.5 but there's still BA.2.75 to come and even a newer BA.4.6 variant of concern. And, as I've said before - it is WAY past the time to forget the "Omicron is mild" BS and start giving these new variants their own Greek letter.             When they call a variant omega, I'll start to worry.

The virus naming authority should have used the English Alphabet as it has 26 letters.

The Greek one only has 24.😔

Thank God the Italian Alphabet wasn't used. It only has 21 letters! 🥺

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 11:29am:

As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities.

NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia
It SHOULD be - but it is NOT

It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ...

healthcare workers, including trainees and students
people who look after children
carers of people with intellectual disabilities
carers of older people
people who work in laboratories
people who work with or are in contact with animals
anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage
people who work in emergency and essential services

It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment"

It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers

This is a BUSINESS DECISION
If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population

Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant


.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:29am: As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage people who work in emergency and essential services It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment" It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers This is a BUSINESS DECISION If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant .

You're trying to have a logical and fact-based exchange in a discussion full of red pilled boomers circle jerking each other.

Just let the crazy fools be.  They thrive on attention, especially from those who validate and share their insanity. 

They crave that validation that they're special, arguing with them lets them paint you as part of the conspiracy and makes them think they're actively fighting the good fight, on the front lines etc.

They're literally too far gone and spend so much time on here because they've lost every meaningful connection they had in the real world.

I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion.

If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 3:00pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 10:10am: John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:29am: As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage people who work in emergency and essential services It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment" It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers This is a BUSINESS DECISION If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant . You're trying to have a logical and fact-based exchange in a discussion full of red pilled boomers circle jerking each other. Just let the crazy fools be.  They thrive on attention, especially from those who validate and share their insanity.  They crave that validation that they're special, arguing with them lets them paint you as part of the conspiracy and makes them think they're actively fighting the good fight, on the front lines etc. They're literally too far gone and spend so much time on here because they've lost every meaningful connection they had in the real world. I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming.

i have to agree,

people with extreme anxiety about covid are totally focused on themselves (narcissistic).
they didnt want to think about their "mates' who owned small businesses, resturants , gyms.
they supported peoples livelihoods being sacrificed
they didnt care about teenagers in schools missing out on seeing their "mates"

such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means)

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

This is a BUSINESS DECISION[/b] If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant .

You're making assumptions here. I received my first vaccination before most people due to my profession.  I have received all four shots.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but what I'm saying is based on risk.  I would eat at a restaurant if one of the staff wasn't vaccinated. It's a huge leap to assume that 95% of the population wouldn't.

Now that we have the omicron family, the risk reduction from having a vaccination is less. I would still encourage people to get vaccinated though.

However the risk reduction from wearing a mask is greater. 

Yesterday I was on a flight to North Queensland.  The only person not wearing a mask was in my row.  At least there was a seat between us, but the staff obviously didn't want to create a fuss.

Nowadays, you'd probably recognise me in a crowd, because I'm often the only one wearing a mask. In a restaurant, I dine al fresco to minimise the risk of catching covid. So far so good.  The risk of getting long Covid or worse is too high.

So forget about the 95% including myself who got vaccinated.  I'm the 1% who still wears a mask. 

There are a lot more things out there other than Covid that could potentially kill me. They include getting out of bed, not getting out of bed, crossing busy roads and walking down steps.

It's all a question of appropriate risk control.

Unfortunately many people on here don't understand the concept of risk.

Totally UNvaccinated here (I'm only referring to Covid19 shots).

I wear a proper mask IF I need to attend an appointment.

I hand sanitize a lot.

I use our own cars only.

I basically do all shopping, banking etc and work related tasks online.

I haven't had the flu or Covid19 AT ALL.

When are you getting your 5th jab John?

LOL “own cars”

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 3:00pm:

But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion.

Exactly - I believe our society has been like that for a long, long time now but it has taken the Covid pandemic to make it obvious.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means)

That's the forum's word censor - I don't what word SK actually typed but I can imagine. :)

Carl D wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 8:10am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. Exactly - I believe our society has been like that for a long, long time now but it has taken the Covid pandemic to make it obvious. aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) That's the forum's word censor - I don't what word SK actually typed but I can imagine. :)

Mateship? What's that? Remind us all...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 10:10am: John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:29am: As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage people who work in emergency and essential services It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment" It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers This is a BUSINESS DECISION If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant . You're trying to have a logical and fact-based exchange in a discussion full of red pilled boomers circle jerking each other. Just let the crazy fools be.  They thrive on attention, especially from those who validate and share their insanity.  They crave that validation that they're special, arguing with them lets them paint you as part of the conspiracy and makes them think they're actively fighting the good fight, on the front lines etc. They're literally too far gone and spend so much time on here because they've lost every meaningful connection they had in the real world. I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming. i have to agree, people with extreme anxiety about covid are totally focused on themselves (narcissistic). they didnt want to think about their "mates' who owned small businesses, resturants , gyms. they supported peoples livelihoods being sacrificed they didnt care about teenagers in schools missing out on seeing their "mates" such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means)

We're not talking about tanking the economy, we're talking about front bottoms like yourself who preach personal responsibility so things don't need to be mandated then refuse to take any responsibility while advocating for death in some personal cursaid to prove to people who don't care about you how alpha you are.

You're a wretched piece of poo and you are utterly unworthy of the gift of life you so easily disregard in others, dressed up as concern and compassion.

You deserve nothing but being first in line for the outcomes you preach for, but alas, we'll just have to settle for you being a lonely old fart obsessing over proving how right you are to strangers online who don't care because the moment your kids grew up enough to pick and choose who is in their lives, they didn't choose you and your wife, if she stuck around, is the one wearing the pants which is why you preach such misogynistic views here to go along with your raging desire to see people die so you can pretend to be tough, special and most importantly, right.

COVID exposed the people like you, unwilling to take the most basic of steps to help protect others to help in keeping everything open so the people you pretend to care about don't lose their small businesses etc, all while crying about how victimised you are...

The world will be a better place when you're nothing but a statistic, forgotten and used as fodder by conspiracy tards red pilled by similar rhetoric to what you've posted. 

Even that is more than you deserve.

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 8:47am:

Carl D wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 8:10am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. Exactly - I believe our society has been like that for a long, long time now but it has taken the Covid pandemic to make it obvious. aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) That's the forum's word censor - I don't what word SK actually typed but I can imagine. :) Mateship? What's that? Remind us all...

We look after our own, and our own is who is here in this country.  It doesn't matter your age, race or gender, you're one of us.

I used to think country folk were racist until I was living in a rural town for a short time and while they say some of the most incredibly racist things I've heard (until joining this forum), they were the first there when the new Vietnamese family moved in to help them when their shop burned down.  I would always try to do the right thing, but after witnessing this, and taking part where I could help, the locals treated the imports like their own, without hesitation, the moment they needed help.  Even one of the most stoic, walls up no emotions on display farmer we there, hugging the father of the family and crying with him when they were going through what was left of the building.

Turns out they're really not that racist, they just say racist things.  They recognise humanity and its people like that, racist language and jokes aside, that formed my understanding of what mateship was.

But that was 20 years ago.

My wife and our eldest hopped on the buses to Brisbane twice after the floods to help clean up.

They won't be the last floods, but I'm done with things like the mud army.

As things start to get more difficult in the economy, rates increase and belts need tightening, I'd already gone through our budget and identified the things that I can cut out.

But now, with my new found realisation about the rest of your front bottoms, I've decided that the multiple streaming services we have are more important than the monthly contribution to breast cancer research and the one for Alzheimer's.  Someone else can do it.

Why should I go without netflix?

The next time my neighbour's husband who should really be in a home goes walkabout, I'm not going to join the search, might as well just stay home and watch some Iron Chef.

Or Gladys down the street, widowed and in her 90's, bitch can mow her own lawn and take her bins out and in herself, I've got my own things to worry about.  And if her Woolies delivery isn't on time and she runs out of toilet paper or tissues, she can call her son in Victoria, not my problem.

Trolleys?  No need to return those, just push them into someone else's car when I'm done.

Doing a tip run and got spare space in my tray or trailer, no need to check if my neighbours have anything they need to get rid of.

Provide free accommodation to homeless pets after the bushfires when their families are barely able to find a roof over their head, let alone a pet-friendly one?  Nahhhhhh, not my problem.

Storm or flood damage on your place?  I'll crack a beer and watch you struggle to close your garage door or board up your windows.

There is no point in modern Australia pretending mateship is a thing anymore and trying to be a part of it. 

Too many people have their hands out, wanting assistance when they need help but will never ever help those in return.

"Oh sorry I've got a bad back", "Oh I don't have time, sorry" blah blah blah 

And they're usually the ones who will tell others to pull themselves up by their bootstraps yet cry the loudest when they need help.

Be it something simple like wearing a mask when they're being begged to by authorities so they don't have to mandate it, or lending a hand in a time of crisis.

They have found a way to push their selfishness to such an extreme that it's destroyed what was left of mateship in this country.

It's been replaced with "bugger you, I've got mine" and "People I think I'm better than are getting a level playing field, I deserve more!".

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 8:47am: Carl D wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 8:10am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. Exactly - I believe our society has been like that for a long, long time now but it has taken the Covid pandemic to make it obvious. aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) That's the forum's word censor - I don't what word SK actually typed but I can imagine. :) Mateship? What's that? Remind us all... We look after our own, and our own is who is here in this country.  It doesn't matter your age, race or gender, you're one of us. I used to think country folk were racist until I was living in a rural town for a short time and while they say some of the most incredibly racist things I've heard (until joining this forum), they were the first there when the new Vietnamese family moved in to help them when their shop burned down.  I would always try to do the right thing, but after witnessing this, and taking part where I could help, the locals treated the imports like their own, without hesitation, the moment they needed help.  Even one of the most stoic, walls up no emotions on display farmer we there, hugging the father of the family and crying with him when they were going through what was left of the building. Turns out they're really not that racist, they just say racist things.  They recognise humanity and its people like that, racist language and jokes aside, that formed my understanding of what mateship was. But that was 20 years ago. My wife and our eldest hopped on the buses to Brisbane twice after the floods to help clean up. They won't be the last floods, but I'm done with things like the mud army. As things start to get more difficult in the economy, rates increase and belts need tightening, I'd already gone through our budget and identified the things that I can cut out. But now, with my new found realisation about the rest of your front bottoms, I've decided that the multiple streaming services we have are more important than the monthly contribution to breast cancer research and the one for Alzheimer's.  Someone else can do it. Why should I go without netflix? The next time my neighbour's husband who should really be in a home goes walkabout, I'm not going to join the search, might as well just stay home and watch some Iron Chef. Or Gladys down the street, widowed and in her 90's, bitch can mow her own lawn and take her bins out and in herself, I've got my own things to worry about.  And if her Woolies delivery isn't on time and she runs out of toilet paper or tissues, she can call her son in Victoria, not my problem. Trolleys?  No need to return those, just push them into someone else's car when I'm done. Doing a tip run and got spare space in my tray or trailer, no need to check if my neighbours have anything they need to get rid of. Provide free accommodation to homeless pets after the bushfires when their families are barely able to find a roof over their head, let alone a pet-friendly one?  Nahhhhhh, not my problem. Storm or flood damage on your place?  I'll crack a beer and watch you struggle to close your garage door or board up your windows. There is no point in modern Australia pretending mateship is a thing anymore and trying to be a part of it.  Too many people have their hands out, wanting assistance when they need help but will never ever help those in return. "Oh sorry I've got a bad back", "Oh I don't have time, sorry" blah blah blah  And they're usually the ones who will tell others to pull themselves up by their bootstraps yet cry the loudest when they need help. Be it something simple like wearing a mask when they're being begged to by authorities so they don't have to mandate it, or lending a hand in a time of crisis. They have found a way to push their selfishness to such an extreme that it's destroyed what was left of mateship in this country. It's been replaced with "bugger you, I've got mine" and "People I think I'm better than are getting a level playing field, I deserve more!".

That's not mateship! That's being decent and selfless!

And it went out of fashion a very long time ago unfortunately. That's why frail elderly men/women are fair game on the internet and even in their own homes. Not just on the street. Little kids are also vulnerable. That's why I can't stand listening to the news nowadays.

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2022 at 11:42am:

I can't seem to recall any year where Australia has had over 12,000 deaths from the flu? Estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 deaths from Covid by the end of this year if things keep going the way they are. The current wave of infections may be peaking but it looks like all we will be doing is waiting for the next wave... and the next... endless waves of Covid with the huge number of hospitalisations and deaths that go with each one.

And this ALL began when the POLITICALLY driven move (not health driven move) dropped 99% of compulsory mask requirements when leaving the home

And we STILL have the conspiracy theorizing anti-vaxxers trying to convert all and everyone to the "mask and vaccines don't work" cult - operating through public internet forums

Unlike Facebook, Twitter and Youtube - these forums are UNCONSIONABLE in still hosting the spreading of misleading, dangerous - to outright lying - statements on their sites

These forums have as much blood on their hands as the conspiracy theorists do



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SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 9:35am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 10:10am: John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:29am: As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage people who work in emergency and essential services It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment" It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers This is a BUSINESS DECISION If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant . You're trying to have a logical and fact-based exchange in a discussion full of red pilled boomers circle jerking each other. Just let the crazy fools be.  They thrive on attention, especially from those who validate and share their insanity.  They crave that validation that they're special, arguing with them lets them paint you as part of the conspiracy and makes them think they're actively fighting the good fight, on the front lines etc. They're literally too far gone and spend so much time on here because they've lost every meaningful connection they had in the real world. I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming. i have to agree, people with extreme anxiety about covid are totally focused on themselves (narcissistic). they didnt want to think about their "mates' who owned small businesses, resturants , gyms. they supported peoples livelihoods being sacrificed they didnt care about teenagers in schools missing out on seeing their "mates" such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) We're not talking about tanking the economy, we're talking about front bottoms like yourself who preach personal responsibility so things don't need to be mandated then refuse to take any responsibility while advocating for death in some personal cursaid to prove to people who don't care about you how alpha you are. You're a wretched piece of poo and you are utterly unworthy of the gift of life you so easily disregard in others, dressed up as concern and compassion. You deserve nothing but being first in line for the outcomes you preach for, but alas, we'll just have to settle for you being a lonely old fart obsessing over proving how right you are to strangers online who don't care because the moment your kids grew up enough to pick and choose who is in their lives, they didn't choose you and your wife, if she stuck around, is the one wearing the pants which is why you preach such misogynistic views here to go along with your raging desire to see people die so you can pretend to be tough, special and most importantly, right. COVID exposed the people like you, unwilling to take the most basic of steps to help protect others to help in keeping everything open so the people you pretend to care about don't lose their small businesses etc, all while crying about how victimised you are... The world will be a better place when you're nothing but a statistic, forgotten and used as fodder by conspiracy tards red pilled by similar rhetoric to what you've posted.  Even that is more than you deserve.

I'm not sure I will put that down as constructive criticism ::)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24am:

the fact that youtube have removed none of this content proves its authenticity.

The old coot didn't say anything - even though over sensationalised - that hadn't been reported in the media, previously.

"Pharmaceutical Company Found Guilty Of Price Gouging"
(oddly enough, "let the free market decide" is actually RIGHT-wing ideology)

To some credit, the likes of Youtube and Twitter have a policy of banning account holders who persist in posting misleading information, dangerous information - to outright LIES

Even a former POTUS received a life ban from Twitter for suggesting to the US masses that COVID19 could be cured with large doses of equine worming paste and Pine-O-Cleen injections

He'd be quite free to post ANY of this on Facebook, without any action - provided his posts didn't contain any 'pornographic' images of a woman breastfeeding her new-born

And as we all KNOW, you can post all the lies you like on internet forums, without any repercussions   



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Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 5:56am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:56pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 4:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 6:03am: Pfizer increased the cost of a vital medication buy2500% in one year I'd like to see the retired nurse's claim in print. from a reputable source (and PLEASE, not from a MEME) This is all I could find Pfizer Raises Covid Vaccine Price 27% June 30, 2022 9:04 am ET Pfizer has raised the U.S. price of its Covid-19 vaccine, in another sign that investors may be underestimating the durability of its Covid-19 vaccine revenue. On Wednesday night, Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and its partner BioNTech (BNTX) said that they had signed a $3.2 billion deal with the U.S. government for 105 million doses of their Covid-19 vaccine, to be delivered late this summer and in the fourth quarter of the year. That price of $30.48 per dose represents a 27% increase over the reported $24 the U.S. paid Pfizer and BioNTech per dose for 200 million in July of 2021. It is 56.3% higher than the $19.50 per dose the U.S. paid for an initial order of 100 million shots in July 2020. https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199 Did someone lose a decimal point ? hi buzz, you obviously didnt watch this excellent video. pfizer were fined 100 million dollars by the british competition commision for increasing the price of dilantin (an epileptic medication that is off patent ) by 2500 %. probably some people died as a result, because stopping your seizure meds is a bad idea. is the UK government official website an acceptable link  ::) ::) ::) https://www.gov.uk/government/news/70-million-in-fines-for-pharma-firms-that-overcharged-nhs They probably increased it because patients are working out that it's rubbish. We have a family member with epilepsy and they use hemp oils now. Unbelievable results. TGA approved. Amazing, and it's from mother earth, not some lab hell bent on keeping you sick.

That ...

- "I know a guy"
- "I have a mate"
- "A family member of mine ... "
- "A very reliable source told me ... "

- is just SO Sir Loose Screw



Is there ONE - JUST one - conspiracy theory you DON'T adhere to ?


1. What's your stand on the faked moon landings, created by Stanley Kubrick and commissioned by the US Government ?

2. Barack Obama and Queen Elizabeth II being alien shape shifting lizards ?

3. All of the world's media is under the control of one body - being The Illuminati ?

4. The "chemtrails" sprayed from jet aircraft are chemical birth control to reduce human population ?

5. Hitler's Holocaust was faked ?   

6. The planes that crashed into the WTC twin towers (and the rocket that hit the Pentagon) were empty - and under remote control by George Bush and the Republican Party ?



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aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 9:35am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 10:10am: John_Taverner wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 11:29am: As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewage people who work in emergency and essential services It is recommended for teachers, but no longer in "Terms and Conditions of Employment" It is optional for hospitality operators (and retailers) to include vaccines as "Terms and Conditions of Employment" - for staff and customers based on perceived expectations of customers This is a BUSINESS DECISION If I was informed a restaurant had unvaccinated staff, I wouldn't eat there. nor would 95% of the population Vaccine efficacy OPINIONS are irrelevant . You're trying to have a logical and fact-based exchange in a discussion full of red pilled boomers circle jerking each other. Just let the crazy fools be.  They thrive on attention, especially from those who validate and share their insanity.  They crave that validation that they're special, arguing with them lets them paint you as part of the conspiracy and makes them think they're actively fighting the good fight, on the front lines etc. They're literally too far gone and spend so much time on here because they've lost every meaningful connection they had in the real world. I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming. i have to agree, people with extreme anxiety about covid are totally focused on themselves (narcissistic). they didnt want to think about their "mates' who owned small businesses, resturants , gyms. they supported peoples livelihoods being sacrificed they didnt care about teenagers in schools missing out on seeing their "mates" such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) We're not talking about tanking the economy, we're talking about front bottoms like yourself who preach personal responsibility so things don't need to be mandated then refuse to take any responsibility while advocating for death in some personal cursaid to prove to people who don't care about you how alpha you are. You're a wretched piece of poo and you are utterly unworthy of the gift of life you so easily disregard in others, dressed up as concern and compassion. You deserve nothing but being first in line for the outcomes you preach for, but alas, we'll just have to settle for you being a lonely old fart obsessing over proving how right you are to strangers online who don't care because the moment your kids grew up enough to pick and choose who is in their lives, they didn't choose you and your wife, if she stuck around, is the one wearing the pants which is why you preach such misogynistic views here to go along with your raging desire to see people die so you can pretend to be tough, special and most importantly, right. COVID exposed the people like you, unwilling to take the most basic of steps to help protect others to help in keeping everything open so the people you pretend to care about don't lose their small businesses etc, all while crying about how victimised you are... The world will be a better place when you're nothing but a statistic, forgotten and used as fodder by conspiracy tards red pilled by similar rhetoric to what you've posted.  Even that is more than you deserve. I'm not sure I will put that down as constructive criticism ::)

It's not meant to be, you've proved to be unwilling or incapable of rational debate.

We'd be better off without you, humanity would be better off without those like you.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 12^th, 2022 at 4:23pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 8:23am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 9:35am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 4:15pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 10:10am: [quote author=JTaverner link=1659381791/30#30 date=1659922142] As far as vaccinations are concerned now, they don't offer as much protection as they used to against delta. So they shouldn't be compulsory, except maybe in Aged Care facilities. NO vaccine is "compulsory" in Australia It SHOULD be - but it is NOT It is a "Terms and Conditions of Employment" in some professions, being ... healthcare workers, including trainees and students people who look after children carers of people with intellectual disabilities carers of older people people who work in laboratories people who work with or are in contact with animals anyone exposed to human tissue, blood, body fluids or sewa I'd feel sorry for them if the rhetoric they shared wasn't so dangerous.  But in modern Australia the concept of mateship is dead, if it ever existed and COVID has shown me that the vast majority of people are selfish front bottoms not worthy of my generosity or even compassion. If there was any natural justice in the world the likes of Scoot and Wombat would feel the full effect of what they advocate for rather than easily impressionable dullards who eat up the kind of rhetoric they spout, but alas, they're still here, kicking the screaming. i have to agree, people with extreme anxiety about covid are totally focused on themselves (narcissistic). they didnt want to think about their "mates' who owned small businesses, resturants , gyms. they supported peoples livelihoods being sacrificed they didnt care about teenagers in schools missing out on seeing their "mates" such narcissisitic people are indeed "front bottoms" (whatever that means) We're not talking about tanking the economy, we're talking about front bottoms like yourself who preach personal responsibility so things don't need to be mandated then refuse to take any responsibility while advocating for death in some personal cursaid to prove to people who don't care about you how alpha you are. You're a wretched piece of poo and you are utterly unworthy of the gift of life you so easily disregard in others, dressed up as concern and compassion. You deserve nothing but being first in line for the outcomes you preach for, but alas, we'll just have to settle for you being a lonely old fart obsessing over proving how right you are to strangers online who don't care because the moment your kids grew up enough to pick and choose who is in their lives, they didn't choose you and your wife, if she stuck around, is the one wearing the pants which is why you preach such misogynistic views here to go along with your raging desire to see people die so you can pretend to be tough, special and most importantly, right. COVID exposed the people like you, unwilling to take the most basic of steps to help protect others to help in keeping everything open so the people you pretend to care about don't lose their small businesses etc, all while crying about how victimised you are... The world will be a better place when you're nothing but a statistic, forgotten and used as fodder by conspiracy tards red pilled by similar rhetoric to what you've posted.  Even that is more than you deserve. I'm not sure I will put that down as constructive criticism ::) It's not meant to be, you've proved to be unwilling or incapable of rational debate. We'd be better off without you, humanity would be better off without those like you.

calling people cu*ts and saying the world would be better off without them.

you appear to be suffering a "pain body " attack .

this may help

Pain body is the intensification of ego in the form of negative emotion. The term pain body seems to have come (as far as I am aware) from the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. I can think of no other name that really suits it better than this. You could call it suffering, past pain, painful emotional energy, pain energy, vasana or pain consciousness.

I will stick to calling it the pain body. The pain body is a kind of life form, a kind of energy that feeds off emotional pain. It consists of past emotional pain that has not been fully accepted or released, and feeds off more of it for survival.  You may experience it as anxiety, anger, depression, or some other negative emotional state. You may experience it strongly, or it may be very weak for you - a mild discomfort in the background.

Pain body can be personal to you, inherited through your family, or part of the collective human pain body. Where it comes from does not really matter, as the way to deal with it is always the same.

Have you ever wondered why you experience negative or painful emotions when you would rather not? It seems undesirable yet you still seem to suffer with it. This is because the pain body enjoys it.

Be alert to something inside of you that seeks to become angry, fearful, stressed or in any way negative.

As

Carl D wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 5:56am:

Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

wikipedia discredits someone so it must be true :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

Carl D wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:56am: Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) wikipedia discredits someone so it must be true :D LOL

Here you go, Sir Nail.

I found this just for you.

aquascoot and wombatwoody can have a go too if they like.

:)

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Carl D wrote on Aug 12^th, 2022 at 10:47pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2022 at 9:40pm: Carl D wrote on Aug 2nd, 2022 at 5:56am: Feels like Groundhog Day again.  ::) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) wikipedia discredits someone so it must be true :D LOL Here you go, Sir Nail. I found this just for you. aquascoot and wombatwoody can have a go too if they like. :)

incorrect mr carl
incorrect.

you are, at least more emotionally intelligent then the marsupial who called me a cu*t and wished me dead for "expressing a different opinion to his "

my opinion has been that sweden got it right and we got it wrong
(as in , we got it wrong with places like melbourne having the longest lock down on the planet). when it all pans out, it looks like the overall figures will be fairly close .

we can debate the various pros and cons , in a civilised way, as i have tried to do.

in the end , it comes down to personal philosophy.

to me, a person of say 75 may only have a limited number of years left.
to spend 2 or 3 of those years , alone and isoltaed from family and friends , is not a choice i would make for myself.

if others think differently, they are welcome to think differently.

in the end, it is now probably YOU who needs to stare at the dot on that horse because the authorities coming around to my way of thinking are making YOU stressed and angry.

the chief health officer of the ACT (hardly a radical anti-vaxxer) has said we should stop reporting covid deaths.

if skippy wants to call him a granny killing POS Cu*t who we would all be better off without , he could fire off an email to him.

at least yourself and myself have been able to keep it a bit more civilised.

we can all learn from each other carl.

human flourishing is as important , and just as important as the dogma of safetyism.
its important to establsih balance and i praise mr mcgown and mr albanese for doing that

I got 'all of the above' in colours Carl D.
What's that mean?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

calling people cu*ts and saying the world would be better off without them. you appear to be suffering a "pain body " attack . this may help Pain body is the intensification of ego in the form of negative emotion. The term pain body seems to have come (as far as I am aware) from the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. I can think of no other name that really suits it better than this. You could call it suffering, past pain, painful emotional energy, pain energy, vasana or pain consciousness. I will stick to calling it the pain body. The pain body is a kind of life form, a kind of energy that feeds off emotional pain. It consists of past emotional pain that has not been fully accepted or released, and feeds off more of it for survival.  You may experience it as anxiety, anger, depression, or some other negative emotional state. You may experience it strongly, or it may be very weak for you - a mild discomfort in the background. Pain body can be personal to you, inherited through your family, or part of the collective human pain body. Where it comes from does not really matter, as the way to deal with it is always the same. Have you ever wondered why you experience negative or painful emotions when you would rather not? It seems undesirable yet you still seem to suffer with it. This is because the pain body enjoys it. Be alert to something inside of you that seeks to become angry, fearful, stressed or in any way negative. As

You advocate for death, we're better off without you.

Facts.

incorrect

i advocate for human flourishing.

a position now held by albonese and every premier.

white flag accepted ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 4:44pm:

incorrect i advocate for human flourishing. a position now held by albonese and every premier. white flag accepted ::) ::)

This is what you, Albanese (and Morrison before him) and all of the State Premiers are advocating for.

https://covidlive.com.au/

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aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 4:44pm:

incorrect i advocate for human flourishing. a position now held by albonese and every premier. white flag accepted ::) ::)

The only way I'd give you a white flag was if you wanted to hang yourself with it.

Carl D wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 4:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 4:44pm: incorrect i advocate for human flourishing. a position now held by albonese and every premier. white flag accepted ::) ::) This is what you, Albanese (and Morrison before him) and all of the State Premiers are advocating for. https://covidlive.com.au/

thats the consequence of keeping the economy going and keeping people involved in a functional society.

without an economy there is no health care system
without people interacting in social situations, there is no society

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

thats the consequence of keeping the economy going and keeping people involved in a functional society. without an economy there is no health care system without people interacting in social situations, there is no society

Looks like the economy is going really well with so many workers sick with Covid these days, doesn't it?

Here's today's latest fiasco:

Sydney airport delays hit travellers with queues snaking out of terminals


Quote:

Travellers at Sydney airport were again hit by long delays on Monday morning with check-in queues spilling out of the terminal. A spokesperson for the airport said staff shortages were to blame for the extended wait times as lines stretched out in excess of 150 metres to get through security screening at domestic terminals.

Quote:

“Our security contractor has had significant staff sick leave today, meaning some security screening lanes were not able to be opened,” the spokesperson said.

Go on.... just say the word.... COVID!!!

And, just wait until Monkeypox revs up into top gear... it's going to be a real blast, I'm sure.

Ignore Scoot.  He's all about the economy, but the moment you suggest measures, even from the start, that are designed to keep the economy going but require personal sacrifice from him, he'll have a bitch fit.

Even simple things like mitigation efforts today while everything is open, to keep them open, to help lower the spread so people aren't out sick etc.

Nope, masks are too much to ask for.

Social distancing at the checkout etc, too much to ask.

Vaccinations, WAY TO MUCH TO ASK.

He wants to pretend there is no virus, everything is back to normal, put his head in the sand.

Cry when things go wrong, blame the mitigation efforts when they're there to protect the economy.

Logic is lost on him, we're better off without him.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 4:44pm: incorrect i advocate for human flourishing. a position now held by albonese and every premier. white flag accepted ::) ::) The only way I'd give you a white flag was if you wanted to hang yourself with it.

You're a psychopath.

incorrect

please surrender white flag

i am fully vaxxed with 3 vax and am happy to wear a mask.

my problem is with hypocrites who completely changed their tune from

"just get jabs in arms and we can return to normal
and we have to build a billion dollar white elephant quarantine centre
and teachers and police who wont vax are to be sacked"

and then when they realise they cant beat mother nature (which a sensible person like scooter and the swedes knew from the start)

they completely change the narrative to

"we will cancel free tests
and no mask mandates
and you can enter australia without a test
and unvaxxed teachers and cops can have their jobs back"

if you have a problem its not with me

take it up with albo and the labor premiers of qld, victoria , south australia and WA

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 5:00pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 4:44pm: incorrect i advocate for human flourishing. a position now held by albonese and every premier. white flag accepted ::) ::) The only way I'd give you a white flag was if you wanted to hang yourself with it. You're a psychopath.

he certainly has a lot of built up pain.

some human floursihing would be good for him

i'm surprised he would issue such a statement whilst saying the forum needs to be monitored for hate speech. :-/ :-/

aquascoot wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

incorrect please surrender white flag i am fully vaxxed with 3 vax and am happy to wear a mask. my problem is with hypocrites who completely changed their tune from "just get jabs in arms and we can return to normal and we have to build a billion dollar white elephant quarantine centre and teachers and police who wont vax are to be sacked" and then when they realise they cant beat mother nature (which a sensible person like scooter and the swedes knew from the start) they completely change the narrative to "we will cancel free tests and no mask mandates and you can enter australia without a test and unvaxxed teachers and cops can have their jobs back" if you have a problem its not with me take it up with albo and the labor premiers of qld, victoria , south australia and WA

The Danes are not far behind:

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thats interesting wombat.

does denmark have a different "science" to the USA (where pfizer is one of the biggest political donors and one of the biggest mainstream media advertisors)?

because denmark says no and the USA says yes

for all children aged over 6 months.

and yet, despite the "science" and the CDC recommending it, the up[take in the 6 month to 5 year age group is 5 %.

interesting that 95 % of americans are turning their backs on the advice of the "scientists"

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Date: 8/03/22
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends COVID-19 vaccination for all children and adolescents 6 months of age and older who do not have contraindications using a vaccine authorized for use for their age. See AAP policy.

In this report, drawing on data posted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as of 8.03.22, the AAP reports progress in vaccinating US children, including the 50 States and District of Columbia.

The report covers the vaccine data available for children under 5, and the longer-term data for children 5-11 years and for children 12-17 years of age.

See link below to download the full AAP report. Note: Individual state web sites may have additional or more recent information.

Children Under 5 Years:

As of August 3, 2022, the CDC recorded:

900,000 US children ages 6 months-4 years have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine

Representing 5% of 6 months-4 year-olds
This past week about 93,000 received their first vaccine dose.
About 16.5 million children 6 months-4 year-olds had yet to receive their first COVID-19 vaccine dose.

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Here’s a testimonial from a US navy military mum with 3 sons.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRkSann4/

We all need to have acceptance to those lucky enough to choose the right to free choice not to have the c-jab… and compassion for those that didn’t really have the freedom with very little choice under the  threat of losing job/career.

The problem is you people keep getting away with pushing blatantly false and misleading information that is damaging to people's lives and livelihood and the only thing worse than this being condoned is not only do you don't care about those you hurt but you pretend you're pushing it BECAUSE you care.

And sadly, there is no answer about what to do about it.

If it's ignored, it goes unopposed and vibrates through echo chambers and ends up red pilling a bunch of susceptible people and if it goes opposed it only adds oxygen to the dumpster fire that you people are.

At least there is a clear pathway to deal with the racism here.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:

The problem is you people keep getting away with pushing blatantly false and misleading information that is damaging to people's lives and livelihood and the only thing worse than this being condoned is not only do you don't care about those you hurt but you pretend you're pushing it BECAUSE you care. And sadly, there is no answer about what to do about it. If it's ignored, it goes unopposed and vibrates through echo chambers and ends up red pilling a bunch of susceptible people and if it goes opposed it only adds oxygen to the dumpster fire that you people are. At least there is a clear pathway to deal with the racism here.

so you are a lot smarter then the danish government.
::) ::) ::)

please explain how one of the most secular and progressive governments of one of the most successful countries is "red pilling a bunch of susceptable people"

you just get anxious when anyone threatens your totalitarian smug authority .

i think the danish government are more likely to be honest then pfizer.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:36pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:05pm: The problem is you people keep getting away with pushing blatantly false and misleading information that is damaging to people's lives and livelihood and the only thing worse than this being condoned is not only do you don't care about those you hurt but you pretend you're pushing it BECAUSE you care. And sadly, there is no answer about what to do about it. If it's ignored, it goes unopposed and vibrates through echo chambers and ends up red pilling a bunch of susceptible people and if it goes opposed it only adds oxygen to the dumpster fire that you people are. At least there is a clear pathway to deal with the racism here. so you are a lot smarter then the danish government. ::) ::) ::) please explain how one of the most secular and progressive governments of one of the most successful countries is "red pilling a bunch of susceptable people" you just get anxious when anyone threatens your totalitarian smug authority . i think the danish government are more likely to be honest then pfizer.

Scoot, everything from your thoughts on women, to masculinity, Trump, COVID, the environment and climate change are all on the wrong side of the truth, practically every time.

Not everything you say is a lie, but every conclusion you draw is to support an opinion you hold even if the counter is supported by the facts.

Every time, every single time I take the time and effort to engage with you in a legitimate discussion and fully cite everything I've put forward, include all the bits you left out with your cherry-picking, all you do is double down and pretend none of it matters or try for some silly debate tactic as if there is an adjudicator who can change what is real if you spin a compelling lie well enough.

There are times we have agreed on things but even then you still go on the offensive as if I've not agreed enough.

What's the point?

And don't get me started about your goal post changes...  I've seen them moved left and right but sometimes you've gone cross code and moved a soccer goal into a swimming pool in place of a water polo goal.

I've wondered over the years why you do it.  Plenty of things come to mind but nothing makes you look good.

The most likely, and most tragic would be that you are in fact an outcast in your own family, in your own circles that you need these victories online, real or imagined, to prevent a depression spiral that may lead to you just being another statistic.  As if your literal life depends on you finally having a win and being right because nobody else around you buys or even has time for your bullshit.

And you always do it in a way that paints all your weaknesses as a strength. 

Are we, and is OzPolitic your form of therapy?

Newsflash, if so, you're only running from your problems.  You're not analysing yourself and your views at all, you're simply trying to justify them via any means possible.

And now you're gone full blown antivaxx...

We've probably all got an uncle like you, that one that nobody wants to invite but has to, because "family", that says vastly inappropriate things to the young kids at the party and finds a way to bring up Trump, Climate Change or whatever the flavour of the month COVID Conspiracy they've latched onto around the dinner table.  The one that was asked to wear a mask during the peak of our outbreak before vaccines were available and couldn't understand why everyone around them were shills and paid to disagree with him.

I've sadly got an uncle and sibling like that.  But I'm an adult and I can pick and choose who is in my family.

I've been away from here for a few weeks and in such a short time there is a noticeable difference in how bad things are.

And you've had a massive decline over the years.  There used to be an ability to discuss things with you, but now, it's just easier to treat you how most of those like you treat everyone else here.

Opposing views are important, more important than most people realise. But there is a line where things used to stay in the Fringe that has become mainstream here now.

It's quite sad how some people can pick and choose their reality when it should speak for itself.

Opinions should always be guided by the facts, but you champion the notion that if a fact doesn't support your opinion it can be ignored or dismissed.

There's really no point in trying to engage with those like you in a meaningful way, you just abuse it anyway.

Sophia wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:27am:

************************************************* Here’s a testimonial from a US navy military mum with 3 sons. https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRkSann4/ We all need to have acceptance to those lucky enough to choose the right to free choice not to have the c-jab… and compassion for those that didn’t really have the freedom with very little choice under the  threat of losing job/career.

👆 I feel that way.

ok, you admit i am not stuck in "group think"

thank you.

now , do you think the danish health care system which says "no vax for under 18" is corrupt and  the american health care system which says "vax from 6 months of age" is a model health system?

and should australia follow the corrupt danes who want to kill people or the noble americans who always tell the truth ? ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 2:22pm:

and should australia follow the corrupt danes who want to kill people or the noble americans who always tell the truth ? ::) ::) ::)

Australia is already killing people... lots of people.

Now at the rate of 1,000 deaths about every 2 weeks.

73 more reported today.

The total pandemic deaths will probably reach 13,000 tomorrow, 16 days after we reached 12,000.

Nearly 10,000 since the start of this year.

Don't tell me you haven't noticed?

https://covidlive.com.au/

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Carl D wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 2:22pm: and should australia follow the corrupt danes who want to kill people or the noble americans who always tell the truth ? ::) ::) ::) Australia is already killing people... lots of people. Now at the rate of 1,000 deaths about every 2 weeks. 73 more reported today. The total pandemic deaths will probably reach 13,000 tomorrow, 16 days after we reached 12,000. Nearly 10,000 since the start of this year. Don't tell me you haven't noticed? https://covidlive.com.au/

carl,  would vaccinating everyone under 18 improve those figures?

denmark says no

america says "well, at least it will improve pfizers figures, so everyone over 6 months needs 3 vaccines"

am i advocating genocide by suggesting that we need to do individual risk assessments on who should get what?

i know that means people have to think and cant remain in "group think"

The vaccine did nothing to the figures.
They botched the figures deliberately to start with,  then they got all the sheep jabbed,  then told the sheep that the death rate is dropping because they've been good sheep.

Nothing changed.
I still am yet to meet an unvaxxed person that has had a serious bout of covid.
All just runny noses,  but still able to function normally.
No carry over effects like miocarditis,  as some sheep like to say that's what covid now causes.
Well that's horseshyte. 
No one I know that is umvaxxed and had a positive covid test has any heart problems at all.
It's all bullshyte north Korean style propaganda, and the dumb arses are swallowing it hook line and sinker. 

aquascoot wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:

carl,  would vaccinating everyone under 18 improve those figures? denmark says no america says "well, at least it will improve pfizers figures, so everyone over 6 months needs 3 vaccines"

The vaccines, as inadequate as they are for the moment have still prevented probably millions worldwide from dying and being hospitalised.

There is now an Omicron specific vaccine which has been approved in the UK but I'm guessing by the time we get it here in Australia the virus will have mutated enough to reduce this new vaccine's effectiveness as well.

Getting people to actually have the new vaccine once it arrives will be another problem too because... well... the pandemic is supposed to be over, isn't it?

Another issue with the "let it rip" approach now used by Australia and many other countries... the longer the virus is allowed to spread uncontrollably the more chance there is of more and more mutations happening.

We're playing a very dangerous game with COVID-19 at the moment because there is no guarantee the next mutation won't be as deadly as the original SARS from 20 years ago which had about a 10% fatality rate.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:

america says "well, at least it will improve pfizers figures, so everyone over 6 months needs 3 vaccines"

You seem to have this thing about Pfizer, just like Sir Nail. You do realize they are not the only pharaceutical company that produces vaccines, don't you?


aquascoot wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:

am i advocating genocide by suggesting that we need to do individual risk assessments on who should get what? i know that means people have to think and cant remain in "group think"

"Individual risk assessments"? Oh, is that this "personal responsibility" again which has apparently now replaced "Public Health" in Australia and many other countries?

All this means is that governments are now too lazy (and/or incompetent) to do their jobs so they've 'handballed' it over to the population, save themselves lots of money in the process and at the same time they're attempting to absolve themselves of responsibility in any class action lawsuits resulting from Covid deaths and Long Covid, etc.

And, I'm sure I don't need to repeat for the umpteenth time how well this "personal responsibility" ISN'T working... I see it every day when I go shopping... unmasked people everywhere coughing and spluttering (and many not even bothering to cover their mouths while they're doing it) because it's too much of an inconvenience for them to do something as simple as wear a mask.

Mind you, I'm not blaming these people entirely because they've been misled by governments and big business into believing the pandemic is over as I've said many times here already in other threads.

I've seen probably only about 5% of people wearing masks in the shops when I've been out lately. In fact, the number of mask wearers seems to have dropped even more since governments started "strongly recommending" people wear masks indoors in crowded places. Funny about that.

Posting the entire article as it requires registration:

EXCLUSIVE: Pfizer Vaccine Whistleblower Responds to Motion to Dismiss False Claims Suit

By Alice Giordano
August 25, 2022

Pfizer can’t use the government as a shield from liability for making false claims about its COVID-19 vaccine, lawyers for a whistleblower argued in response to Pfizer’s motion to dismiss a False Claims Act lawsuit.

“Respondents claim fraudulent certifications, false statements, doctored data, contaminated clinical trials, and firing of whistleblowers can be ignored based on the theory that they contracted their way around the fraud,” lawyers for Brook Jackson, who worked as regional director at one of the clinical trials used to develop the Pfizer vaccine, wrote in their Aug. 22 court filing.

“A drug company cannot induce the taxpayers to pay billions of dollars for a product that honest data would show poses more risks than benefits, and that ignores the actual contract and the law itself.”

Jackson’s lawsuit alleges that Pfizer and two of its subcontractors violated the False Claims Act by providing bogus clinical trial results to garner Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval of its COVID-19 vaccine.

Under federal law, individuals can sue on behalf of the government and win treble damages if they can prove an individual or company deliberately lied to the government.

One of Jackson’s attorneys, Warner Mendenhall, told The Epoch Times that the payout could be as much as $3.3 trillion.

“It would be enough to bankrupt Pfizer,” he said.

Mendenhall, whose law firm has won multimillion-dollar False Claims Act cases, based his estimates on the more than $2 billion the U.S. government has paid Pfizer for more than 100 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccine.

In motions to dismiss the lawsuit, Pfizer and its subcontractors argued that besides Jackson’s allegations being false, the government, not a private citizen, can initiate a False Claims Act complaint and the lawsuit against them should, therefore, be dismissed.

“The Relator may not pursue the claims against Pfizer without the Government first pursuing them in an administrative proceeding,” Pfizer’s motion reads.

The companies also argued that the FDA was well aware of Jackson’s claims for at least two years before the lawsuit was filed against them and that it publicly responded to Jackson’s allegations by expressing the agency’s “full confidence” in the data used to support the vaccine.

However, Mendenhall said a false claims action is independent of the government’s knowledge and that Jackson only has to prove Pfizer and its subcontractors presented fraudulent information to the FDA.

Jackson was third in command of the clinical trials conducted by Ventavia Research Group as part of Pfizer’s application for emergency use authorization for its COVID-19 vaccine. She was there for only 18 days before being fired by Ventavia after reporting what she called “absolute mayhem” and an utter disregard for safety protocols and federal regulations in developing the vaccine.

She has submitted more than 400 exhibits as part of her complaint. She said a former Taco’s cashier was among those tasked with injecting patients with the experimental vaccine. She alleged that the trial staff falsified patient signatures on informed consent paperwork. And she has described a daily mess of unsanitary conditions.

Jackson also responded for the first time to Pfizer’s characterization of her as an anti-vaccine, anti-government individual out for money as vengeance for her firing.

She has worked on a long list of government-run clinical trials for vaccines and said she’s pro-vaccine. She pointed out that her children have had all their childhood vaccines and that her entire family gets the flu vaccine yearly. She received the COVID-19 vaccine as soon as it was available and was initially one of its biggest cheerleaders.

While she’s seeking compensation for her termination as part of her actions against Pfizer and the other companies, Jackson said she plans to donate any money she receives under her legal action against the companies to those injured by the vaccine.

“As far as I’m concerned, it’s blood money,” she said. “The world should be disgusted by what went on here with the shameful actions behind this dangerous vaccine.”

Attorneys representing Pfizer didn’t return calls seeking comment.

Pfizer is no stranger to False Claims Act litigations.

In 2009, the pharma giant agreed to pay $2.3 billion in settlement fees in the largest health care fraud case brought under the False Claims Act in U.S. history. The U.S. Department of Justice filed the lawsuit against Pfizer for misbranding one of its drugs with “the intent to defraud or mislead.”


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aquascoot wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 5:12am:

from NPR  , the american equivalent of our ABC

Are you very UNRESEARCHED - or just very THICK ?



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wombatwoody wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 6:02pm:

Posting the entire article as it requires registration: EXCLUSIVE: Pfizer Vaccine Whistleblower Responds to Motion to Dismiss False Claims Suit The Epoch Times Copyright © 2000 - 2022 https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-pfizer-vaccine-whistleblower-responds-to-motion-to-dismiss-false-claims-suit_4685709.html

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