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General Discussion >> Thinking Globally >> One China and Taiwan http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1659668205 Message started by issuevoter on Aug 5th, 2022 at 12:56pm |
Title: One China and Taiwan Post by issuevoter on Aug 5th, 2022 at 12:56pm
If imperialism is so dreadful, the Communist Chinese should stop using it for their own ends.
In an imperial history of perhaps 2000 years, mainland Chinese control of Taiwan can be considered to be about 200 years at best. Publicly, the Communist Party uses this relatively brief period to justify its claim to the island. The Chinese communists have historically condemned imperialism, but they are willing to not just accept it in this case, but defend it as proof that whomsoever controls Beijing has the right to impose itself on Taiwan. It was the legacy of the Chinese empires that the CCs wished to overthrow. It is time for democracies to do away with any recognition of the so-called One China policy, which was adopted in the hope the communists would liberalise. They have not. There are the obvious strategic and technological concerns, which are actually more important to Beijing. Like Russia's paranoia, they see this through the lens of their own expansionist intentions. Totalitarians are always scared they will be toppled, therefore they rule by decree. Democracies, on the other hand, have constitutional checks and balances which while far from perfect, are infinitely superior for societies. Totalitarian regimes cannot understand or trust the democratic world's interest in prosperity and peace, because these things are not as important to them. The Party has its own prosperity through control. And as we have seen throughout history, totalitarians are quite prepared to use the lives of their people to stay in power, viz Russia in Ukraine. There is no threat of the US trying to seize control of mainland China. The notion is ludicrous. Likewise, there is no intention for NATO to invade Russia, but these are the self-justifying delusions of their totalitarian governments. The invasion of Ukraine has been a huge wake-up call for democracies, as should be the coming Communist naval base in the Solomon Islands. We do business with totalitarian regimes at our peril. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan No doubt this history will be declared a conspiracy by the usual suspects. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by Belgarion on Aug 5th, 2022 at 12:59pm
Good assessment.
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Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by athos on Aug 5th, 2022 at 1:38pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 12:56pm:
Goodness me such a stupid "Analysis". |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:05pm
So rebut it, bot/CCP drone.
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Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by tickleandrose on Aug 6th, 2022 at 10:40am Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Well... I think the reality is a lot more complicated that this attempted analysis. There is just no way you can fit it into a A4 sized page. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by issuevoter on Aug 6th, 2022 at 12:00pm
Its not of any value to simply say you don't agree. No one give a sh!7 if you do or don't. Write something interesting. Its not a poll.
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Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by tickleandrose on Aug 6th, 2022 at 12:24pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 12:00pm:
Okay, I start with a question Issuevoter. Why are we so concerned about a potential Communist naval base in the Solomon Island? |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 6th, 2022 at 12:40pm
The CCP has only ever attacked other nations it perceives to be hopelessly weak - a mistake they made with Vietnam in the late 70's resulting in a humiliating loss for the PLA.
Mao and his CCP ganisters hid out it the Chinese hinterland while the nationalists fought a war of attrition against Japan. The CCP only began its attack on the nationalists after the Japanese unconditionally surrendered in 1945 and the nationalists were exhausted from its war with Japan. Mao even crowed about this to the Japanese ambassador when diplomatic ties were restored with Japan, mockingly thanking Japan for helping him come to power. Then there was Tibet - hardly a country that could defend itself against any army. The CCP touts its 1.4 billion population as a weapon, never mind that not even 0.1 percent could be mobilised for war. Nearly all of them struggle daily to survive, let alone send their only sons to ultimately be cannon fodder and fish food in the Taiwan strait. On top of that, the Chinese do not consider a military life as particularly honourable - it's the job you have when you haven't got a job or are unemployable. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by athos on Aug 6th, 2022 at 1:39pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 12:40pm:
100% right. Typical globalist leftists deep state propaganda. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by lee on Aug 6th, 2022 at 2:20pm
"China suspends climate change cooperation with US and sanctions Nancy Pelosi in retaliation for Taiwan visit "
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3187927/china-suspends-climate-change-cooperation-us-and-sanctions |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 6th, 2022 at 2:31pm athos wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
You'd understand the Chinese concept of Cha Bu Duo. It infests Chinese society including the PLA. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by Bobby. on Aug 6th, 2022 at 2:34pm
The Chinese are evil bastards who want to kill us:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_biological_weapons_program A large-scale Chinese state-run biological weapons program was reported to exist as recently as 2015, based on analysis from former IDF military intelligence officer Dany Shoham, integrating the findings of several different countries' defence agencies. The program reportedly includes at least 42 facilities that are involved in research, development, production, or testing of biological weapons (30 associated with the People's Liberation Army and 12 associated with the Chinese defense ministry).[3][8] US intelligence agencies assumed as early as 1993 that the state of China had an operational, secretive, and sizable bioweapons arsenal that is "extremely hidden" but continuously upgraded.[3][4] The official position of the US Department of State, as published in a 2021 report, is that China likely operated an offensive bioweapons program before the 1984 signing of the BWC treaty, and continued to operate the program afterwards. The report also expresses concern that China may have transferred controlled biological weapons-related items to nations of international concern (e.g. Iran).[9][10][11] According to Nuclear Threat Initiative, no evidence of the program's existence has been officially released. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by Ye Grappler on Aug 6th, 2022 at 4:11pm
https://au.news.yahoo.com/chinas-swipe-at-australia-over-taiwan-escalation-235302532.html?utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=EDM&utm_campaign=EDM&utm_term=News&ncid=newsletter_edm_uf9cw7lph94
"China has taken aim at the US's allies for not stepping in and dissuading Nancy Pelosi from visiting Taiwan. Beijing has lambasted the US House Speaker over her controversial visit, calling it an "egregious provocation" to the one-China policy. China has retaliated by commencing unprecedented military drills in waters surrounding Taiwan, a move it believes is justified to defend its sovereignty and deter foreign interference in what it deems internal matters. Australia's Foreign Minister Penny Wong said in a statement on Friday the response from Beijing was "deeply concerning" and is "disproportionate and destabilising". But China's Assistant Foreign Minister Hua Chunying criticised such comments, saying nations expressing concern over the situation did little to prevent such an outcome. "Our countermeasures are necessary as a warning to the provocateurs and as a step to uphold our sovereignty and security," she said. "Now the US and its sidekicks have spoken up accusing China of “overreacting”. "But if they truly care about regional peace and stability, why hadn’t they stood up and tried to dissuade Pelosi early on? Couldn’t they have seen this coming and prevented it?"Ms Hua went on to list dozens of countries and political parties she says have criticised the US over Ms Pelosi's visit, saying 80 to 90 per cent of the world's population is "standing with China". "I hope that the US and its handful of “buddies” will realise that if they do respect the principle of democracy, then they should hear and respect the voice of the more than 1.4 billion Chinese people." Experts say China's response was inevitable Noting that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, several experts have warned Ms Pelosi's visit will undermine stability across the Taiwan Strait. "What the American visit means now is to put China into difficult position, somehow to control the area. It is a violation of international law," said Huseyin Bagci, head of the Turkish Foreign Policy Institute." So it's now a violation of international law for a government personage to visit a foreign country... remind me of that next time we want to send a few lazy billions to Turkey... |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by issuevoter on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:58pm
Well, its not just Taiwan that the Beijing Communist Party is claiming to own. They invaded Tibet like it was theirs. But just tonight I'm watching the ABC news and it has been announced that the Communist Party is claiming the right to choose the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama when he dies. So not only are they happy to use historical imperialism when it suits them, but it looks like they are going to appoint a commissar of mysticism too. One of the problems with Communist Chinese is they have no sense of humour.
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Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 7th, 2022 at 11:27pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 10:58pm:
This claim has been part of CCP's usurpation of Tibetan culture for decades. In 1995 the rebirth of the 11th Panchen Lama (the second most senior role in Tibetan Buddhism) was declared by the Dalai Lama after the death of the 10th Panchen Lama. The CCP abducted the named boy and his family (they have never been seen again) and named its own Panchen Lama. The CCP also decreed that it had the right to declare the rebirth of the Dalai Lama upon the death of the current one. The CCP is a gangster organisation with a country. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by issuevoter on Aug 10th, 2022 at 4:49pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 11:27pm:
If the West hasn't heard the wake-up call concerning totalitarian regimes sound by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, we are in deep do-do. Call a fascist by any other name and etc. They may be wearing business suits now, but they are still Maoists dedicated to the destruction of democracy. They are still trying it in Korea and Taiwan is next. |
Title: Re: One China and Taiwan Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 10th, 2022 at 5:09pm issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 4:49pm:
The PLA leadership are too busy making money running corrupt companies (yes, the PLA runs its own businesses!) to be bothered wasting their time with war. |
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