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Title: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:51pm

China is seen in the West as a threat because it proves with its success,
in all fields, that Western democracy is a failed experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NDfBMmj1Aw

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:04pm

America has 800 military bases across 80 countries around the world the
UK has 124 Russia has 21 China has 1.
Who then threatens the world more?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by lee on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:14pm

You mean those friendly bases offshore are not militarily enhanced. ::)

"Two months before China’s Djibouti base began service in the Horn of Africa in August 2017, influential Chinese military adviser Jin Yinan urged Beijing to build more overseas bases to protect China’s distant maritime interests."

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3125171/size-chinas-navy-may-be-closing-gap-us-fleet-what-can-pla-do

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by freediver on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm

Because they are both powerful and delusional. What happens when they drink their own potato water?

50 million Chinese people starve to death. No repercussions for the CCP.

Covid protected from investigation for several months while the CCP pretended it did not exist, helping it spread rapidly and kill millions. No repercussions for the CCP.

What next?

Also, the CCP is granting it's citizens enormous economic freedoms, while attempting to curtail all their other freedoms. It is internally democratic, but externally autocratic. Neither of these are sustainable. China is destined for interesting times, and the misery created by the CCP with it's lies and incompetence is unlikely to respect national borders like it did with the Great Chinese Famine.

We are always one stupid idea away from catastrophe, and the CCP is not afraid of stupid ideas.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm

Have to agree with you Athos.
China has done well.

From being invaded by the Japs.
Being invaded by the USSR and having land taken from them.
From rising from the ashes to become a now more powerful nation.
To become an Economic heavyweight.
To breeding millions of a Han population that is undiluted by foreigners to show a racial purity of strength.
To breeding even more Han in other countries, like becoming the largest racial group in Sydney (Shang-hai South).
To having a Pacific Fleet more numerous than the USA's global fleet.
To now having 500,000 Han in Russian territory re-taking what the USSR stole.
To sublimely dissolving Caucasoid Uighurs from its lands.
To having Nukes too.
To rescuing Hong Kong from the Opium British Drug Dealers and dealing with the British-made drug addict riots going cold turkey.
To sending vast shipments of illicit drugs to Australia and other nations in revenge to turn such populations into losers.
To getting ready to defeat the last Nationalist stronghold in Taiwan.

...I'm sure there's more to their superiority these days.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:32pm

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

We are always one stupid idea away from catastrophe, and the CCP is not afraid of stupid ideas.

Yes. The CCP has a 19th century mindset of imperialism - trying to sail its Chinese junk down a 21st century river that ends in a waterfall.

It seems the CCP has learned nothing from Chinese 17th century political decline of its imperial legacy.

It just repeats it.

Maybe the CCP thinks 3rd time's a charm.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

The election system in China is based on meritocracy with democracy. Chinese leaders start working from the lowest level. And it takes probably around 30 years to rise up to be president of China. Not only that, if I am not wrong, to be president of China, he or she MUST have a successful record of running a province with a population of at least 80 millions. So only the best of the best can be president of China. Chinese democracy with meritocracy is the best system in the world.
And to say that China is not a democracy is completely false. In fact, unlike Western plutocracy, China has the most successful democratic system in the world.

This is so much different from other western system of democracy where any, obedient deep state moron, can be president. And once an inexperienced (or even mentally incapacitated) person becomes president to run a country, that society suffers as you can see in many western countries.
:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:43pm

The problem here is China practice real democracy, whereas countries like America and Australia do not.
Democracy means rule of the people for the people (democratic outcome), it does not mean having a vote for the figurehead president (democratic process).
As a result, Chinese government policies cares far more about long term well being of the majority, and officials are regularly reprimanded and punished for under performance.
By contrast, elected western government serves the interest in the upper class oligarchs or their colonial masters, but cares very little for the common folks. Just look at Taiwan, Detroit and Portland.

Any educated Chinese will understand why the western electoral system does deliver democracy, because this system surrendered power of the state to rich oligarchs who pull the string from behind. All of the western 'free' media is paid for and controlled by the bourgeoisie, as are the eventual election outcome.

Who in the right mind believe that a senile old man clearly suffering from dementia can effectively rule over the wealthiest country in the world, making difficult decisions on the most complex of issues. He can't, instead a bunch of unelected faceless nameless people makes those decisions for him. The elected person just acts like the president, but don't expect he can function like one.
:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by aquascoot on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:45pm

Jasin wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

i have to agree on that one.

the chinese wanted the rare earth minerals in mexico.
they did a deal with the cartels to supply cheap , lab made fentalnyl in exchange for the cartels giving them access to the minerals.
mexico floods america with cocaine cut with varying ammounts of fentanyl which has resulted in 100,000 overdose deaths in the states and a nation of addicted losers .
china helps fund the cartels people trafficking operations which also affects american cohesion.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:47pm

Note the change in tone.

Looks like the shadow "Athos" had to jump in.

Although Chinelish is still evident.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm

There's no need for jealousy, China is a great nation, because China takes care of her people first and foremost. In the past 20yrs, China has pulled 800,000,000 of her citizens out of extreme poverty, high speed rail is second to none, infrastructure is exceptional, technological advancement are amazing, etc. , wars? What wars?

Can we say the same about U S A (NATO)?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:50pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

How is success determined under the CCP?

2nd generation family Maoists are now in charge and promoting 3rd generation family Maoists.

The CCP is a quasi-aristocracy.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by lee on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:51pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

In the past 20yrs, China has pulled 800,000,000 of her citizens out of extreme poverty, high speed rail is second to none, infrastructure is exceptional,

On the back of fossil fuels and industrial espionage. ::)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:51pm

Democracy can work reasonably well when all parties focus on issues of internal affairs. As soon as external issues dominate the debates between different parties, a democracy is doomed to fail as nationalism and populism will prevail. The political correctness becomes the king’s new clothes, political hypocrites become the leaders of parties and ultimately the leader of a nation. China is not an autocracy as in the narrative of the western media, there is democracy within the ruling party (communist party), and this party has members bigger than the population of Germany! It is less likely for China to have an incompetent leader than in a "real" democracy (plutocracy) like the US, where democracy is only the two party cartel game of the richest, out of 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%!

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

No. The Chinese people are a great people. The CCP is the sewage the Chinese people are forced to live with.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

China is a menace.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by freediver on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm

Quote:

And to say that China is not a democracy is completely false. In fact, unlike Western plutocracy, China has the most successful democratic system in the world.

You stooges need to come up with a consistent spin on Chinese democracy. Most of your colleague spend all their time demonising democracy and pretending China has nothing to do with democracy.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

The word 'lecture', as you use it, has negative connotations in English. You'd might have known that if the CCP hadn't shut down English language tuition in China.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

China is a menace.

OK so we have found more professions you should not get involved in:

Life coach or Military Advisor.

NEVER underestimate your competitor or foe.

:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

No. The Chinese people are a great people. The CCP is the sewage the Chinese people are forced to live with.

CCP is great for great Chinese people.
:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

The word 'lecture', as you use it, has negative connotations in English. You'd might have known that if the CCP hadn't shut down English language tuition in China.

He is professor and his job is to give lecture to the people including arrogant morons like you.
:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:28pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

The word 'lecture', as you use it, has negative connotations in English. You'd might have known that if the CCP hadn't shut down English language tuition in China.

He is professor and his job is to give lecture to the people including arrogant morons like you.
:)

Chinelish - 'He is professor and his job is to give lecture to the people including arrogant morons like you. '

English - 'He is a professor and his job is to give lectures in English, including to arrogant morons like you'.

So, not a native English-speaking professor, then.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:31pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

No. The Chinese people are a great people. The CCP is the sewage the Chinese people are forced to live with.

CCP is great for great Chinese people.
:)

The CCP will be the destruction of the the great Chinese people.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Belgarion on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If he criticised the CCP in the same way, he'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, in China under the CCP, of murder.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 10:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:59pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.

The word 'lecture', as you use it, has negative connotations in English. You'd might have known that if the CCP hadn't shut down English language tuition in China.

He is professor and his job is to give lecture to the people including arrogant morons like you.
:)

You are not a native "Australian" and what?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by issuevoter on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 10:58am

Its not "seen as," it is a threat. Totalitarian governments answer to no one, therefore a handful of people at the top will make important decisions by decree. At present NK is developing ICBMs which are at the whim of the Kim family dictatorship, but Kim could not survive without Chinese Communist protection.

During the Korean War, both China and Russia were happy to deny involvement, which was a bloody lie. The Chinese Communist Party is dedicated to the overthrow of democratically elected government in Taiwan. The next would be the Philipines. At present they are getting ready to build a naval base in the Solomon Islands for the same strategic reason the Japanese did in WW2. CCP has fought with all its neighbour since they seized power. The communist myth is that they care about ordinary people. It is a system that, like a virus, is a self- replicating parasite. All of this is justified by the worn out excuse that China is threatened by colonialism. Putin has said the same thing about Russia stating that NATO wants invade.

Anyone who believes such fantasy needs to ask themselves if the Western liberal progressive better informed population would allow such aggression? But it is this same population that totalitarians believe will be a pushover. Dream on in your brainwashed delusion.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:40pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

Dear brainwashed arrogant yobbo if you really believe your Nazi shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create confusion.
;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 4:40pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwyslYd63ao

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 4:41pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amre8njCShM&t=76s

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 5:07pm

You must know what the gangsters have done to Tibet and the Uyghurs?

The CCP is no more than a cabal of gangsters!

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 8:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Jasin wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

The USA CIA did pretty much the same.
Let alone put many a Dictator in 'under the table' while playing a rouse via the Media to condemn them. Putting such 'american paid' Dictators in helped to keep those countries 'weak' as part of the US National Security program.

One day, maybe China will rest in peace after rising up against its oppressors and teaching the bullying American's and other nations to 'back off'.

If China is bad. Then the USA is just as bad.
A privatised 'Media' infused political nation which has become the most 'invasive' nation on the planet and thinks it is more the Political top dog than the United Nations of the world. USA is currently still a 'rogue' Political nation.
...with a 4th world Economic character to boot.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by freediver on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:58am

The CCP is like a monkey with a loaded automatic weapon. Not particularly sinister, but still very dangerous.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:04am

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

The CCP is like a monkey with a loaded automatic weapon. Not particularly sinister, but still very dangerous.

CCP is good and two party cartels are very bad.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

I'd bet not even the CCP can count the number of Chinese people disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order', given that any protester about anything that challenges the CCP can be charged and sentenced to serious time or execution.

And it often doesn't end with the protester. It often includes the protesters' families who have their lives ruined.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by freediver on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:54am

athos wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

The CCP is like a monkey with a loaded automatic weapon. Not particularly sinister, but still very dangerous.

CCP is good and two party cartels are very bad.

Got any other idiotic mantras to chant at us?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

How many Aborigines disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for nothing?
:)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:18pm

Exactly!

When Britain 'brexits' Australia and America 'defaults' on its 'mateship' policy with Australia.
Aborigines are gonna massacre any remaining Whiteys who don't bend the knee to them.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by The Grappler on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 12:35am

Why is the West seen as a threat in China?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by The Grappler on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 12:36am

athos wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

How many Aborigines disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for nothing?
:)

Zero.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:41am

athos wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

How many Aborigines disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for nothing?
:)

Name one.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 3:06pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 12:35am:

Why is the West seen as a threat in China?

because the paranoid US wants to maintain global hegemony, despite the fact 1.4 billion Chinese must soon have an economy twice the size - and more - of the US...(barring WW3...)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 4:16pm

I wouldn't really call America the 'West' yet.
It's been politically run by a North (Democrat) and voided South (Confederacy) rivalry for so long that only empowers Yellow Asian economy and Black African sex drive.

The Republicans (east) are waiting for a 'true' West political party to come along to help end this Media circus posing as politics and 'western'.

A true 'Western' system would empower these regions politically: N.America, S.America, Mid-East, Sahul (Aust).

...leaving the regions of Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania to enjoy their 'Media' culture of entertainment.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 6:46pm

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:41am:

athos wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. ::)

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

How many Aborigines disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for nothing?
:)

Name one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_HUGxl0Rnk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkr8RyicCwI

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 7:38pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhXgVBbEHQg

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:17pm

The flaw in those two clips Athos.
Is that if those spitting, biting 'kids' had female Security handling them - the females wouldn't be put up as 'bullies of children' like Men are under the 'emotional blackmail' condemnation of the Media. Those Female Security could give those boys a good stick whacking and everyone would cheer and those boys would cry like babies.
But while the Men are there having to deal with such vile little emotional blackmailers - they're written off as nasty big bullies.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:40am

Let’s begin with the strange argument being advocated by some that Beijing eventually reversing trade bans against us is a demonstration of renewed Chinese commitment to the norms of open trade and the free trade agreement between our two countries.

The politically motivated Chinese trade measures were illegitimate and probably illegal in the first place. Beijing is reconsidering these measures because they have produced the opposite of the intended political and strategic effects. Praising and possibly rewarding one side for merely ceasing to do what is wrong is an extraordinarily low standard for demonstrating commitment to free trade rules and norms.

Moreover, it is not as if China has a credible record of compliance to these cherished rules and norms, and that the past four years of actions against Australia is an aberration.

Since its ascension into the World Trade Organisation in 2001, Beijing has promised an arm’s-length relationship with state-owned enterprises, to cut back on industrial subsidies and other advantages offered to SOEs and national champions, and more recently to refrain from conducting state-backed and systematic intellectual property theft.

Instead, the reverse has occurred while Xi has doubled down on this state-led model on achieving his historic third term in power.
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Then there is the issue of China’s broader geo-economic and geopolitical objectives. The Belt and Road Initiative remains Xi’s primary blueprint to build a Sino-centric economic, trading, infrastructure and supply chain ecosystem in which Chinese entities enjoy an insurmountable position of strength.

The Made in China 2025 plan is still the framework to ensure Chinese SOEs and national champions dominate global export markets in the most strategic and lucrative hi-tech sectors. The explicit endgame is to secure Beijing uncontested geopolitical leverage over our region and beyond.

More recently, Beijing has put forward its Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative, which elevate notions of the collective or greater good over Western ideas about universal or individual rights.

The implication is that it is the prerogative of the ruling regime to define and pursue the collective or greater good on behalf of the people to fast-track material advancement rather than leave that delicate task to one’s democratic processes or pre-existing liberal institutions.
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As we have seen with the WTO, and this time regarding the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) entity without the balancing influence of American or European membership, China will use its size and leverage to change the nature and operation of an institution once it is a member.

The point is that Beijing has not changed even if it is modifying its tactical approach. We seek a functional and stable relationship with an indispensable economic partner. But there cannot be an economic reset nor the return to business as usual with China.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dont-expect-beijing-to-comply-with-trade-rules/news-story/cd0a27fafcc72e70afe49f5fe502b8de

Do not trust China.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

Well, China wants trade with ALL countries, and is trying to resist the global decoupling which the US is trying to force onto the world to contain China and maintain US global hegemony.

As for trade with Oz, Turnbull did the CIA's bidding and banned Huawei on trumped up 'security' grounds.

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The politically motivated Chinese trade measures were illegitimate and probably illegal in the first place.

The Huawei bans, violating world trade norms, started the rot in the first place...

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Beijing is reconsidering these measures because they have produced the opposite of the intended political and strategic effects. Praising and possibly rewarding one side for merely ceasing to do what is wrong is an extraordinarily low standard for demonstrating commitment to free trade rules and norms.

The vicious US determination to cut China out of global free trade has caused China to reconsider its "punishment" of Oz for banning Hauwei.

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Moreover, it is not as if China has a credible record of compliance to these cherished rules and norms, and that the past four years of actions against Australia is an aberration.

Context, explained above.

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Since its ascension into the World Trade Organisation in 2001, Beijing has promised an arm’s-length relationship with state-owned enterprises, to cut back on industrial subsidies and other advantages offered to SOEs and national champions, and more recently to refrain from conducting state-backed and systematic intellectual property theft.

Evil, neoliberal free-market ideology; state subsidization of industry (and individuals) is a legitimate socialist tenet.

As for the WTO, the US is currently blocking its proper function by refusing to appoint judges to the WTO's appellate court.

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Instead, the reverse has occurred while Xi has doubled down on this state-led model on achieving his historic third term in power.

Yes, the excessive reliance on free market ideology in China resulted in the Evergrade fiasco, and funny money tech companies; Xi is working to reverse these evils.

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Then there is the issue of China’s broader geo-economic and geopolitical objectives. The Belt and Road Initiative remains Xi’s primary blueprint to build a Sino-centric economic, trading, infrastructure and supply chain ecosystem in which Chinese entities enjoy an insurmountable position of strength.

er... China's BRI engenders economic development in ALL countries, which the greedy West ignored for decades.

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The Made in China 2025 plan is still the framework to ensure Chinese SOEs and national champions dominate global export markets in the most strategic and lucrative hi-tech sectors. The explicit endgame is to secure Beijing ~~uncontested geopolitical leverage over our region and beyond.~~

The endgame is to promote multi lateral development in all nations, in contrast to the US's paranoid determination to maintain global hegemony and "America First".

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More recently, Beijing has put forward its Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative, which elevate notions of the collective or greater good over Western ideas about universal or individual rights.

Yes, given these Western ideas promote the welfare of the most competitive individuals, over the well-being of all.

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The implication is that it is the prerogative of the ruling regime to define and pursue the collective or greater good on behalf of the people to fast-track material advancement rather than leave that delicate task to one’s democratic processes or pre-existing liberal institutions.

ie, the "delicate task" of maintaining the advantage of the most competitive and greediest individuals.

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As we have seen with the WTO, and this time regarding the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) entity without the balancing influence of American or European membership, China will use its size and leverage to change the nature and operation of an institution once it is a member.

And not before time: the greedy individualistic West is presiding over entrenched poverty and a growing sovereign debt crisis in developing countries.

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The point is that Beijing has not changed even if it is modifying its tactical approach. We seek a functional and stable relationship with an indispensable economic partner. But there cannot be an economic reset nor the return to business as usual with China.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dont-expect-beijing-to-comply-with-trade-rules/news-story/cd0a27fafcc72e70afe49f5fe502b8de

Another of Rupert's evil, self-interested productions, determined to maintain US global hegemony... like a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money"........

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Do not trust China.

Self-interested US global hegemony is far and away a greater threat.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

obviously wrong, the CCP has shown itself to be above all pragmatic, in its search to achieve commin prospeity ,as opposed to the generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantaged maintained in the West's self-interested economic orthodoxy which exists to advantage the most competitive.

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

TheCCP's andyour meaning of pragmatic - lie and cheat and bully to be admitted to the WTO, to have free trade agreements, and then continue to cheat, lie, bully, bend and break the rules?

Sure. That's what everyone else means by corrupt beyond redemption: not an honest bone in the collective body of the CCP.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

These people are feeling exactly what you are saying.
https://mobile.twitter.com/VeteranTakeBack/status/1610433799246213128

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

Yes, of course.

Through the noble pursuits of genocide, slave labour, corruption, copyright theft and debt-trap diplomacy.

Foreign companies are starting to trip over each other to get out of China for a reason - and it ain't the weather.

No one wants to be left behind after the collapse.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

Under the CCP it has become blatant to the world - and on a scale the world has never seen before - and shame on us for turning a blind eye.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

This is the drivel the CCP tells the Chinese people and the number it has thrown all its chips on.

The fact is the CCP's 'progress' has been built on selling sh!t to the world for a dollar a pop - with high-end products overseen by westerners.

That oversight can be transferred to Vietnamese and Indian companies - and they both, along with most of the world, have at least one thing in common - contempt for the CCP.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

Confucius had other ideas. eg:

"The object of the superior man is truth.”

“When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them.”

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Under the CCP it has become blatant to the world - and on a scale the world has never seen before - and shame on us for turning a blind eye.

The world is waking up to US delusions of grandeur and exceptionalism, and it's displays of increasing democratic dysfunction.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

This is the drivel the CCP tells the Chinese people and the number it has thrown all its chips on.

No, its the reality that made Biden reconsider and amend Trump's tariffs.

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The fact is the CCP's 'progress' has been built on selling sh!t to the world for a dollar a pop - with high-end products overseen by westerners.

Long past; and now China is selling the best value EVs all around the world.

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That oversight can be transferred to Vietnamese and Indian companies - and they both, along with most of the world, have at least one thing in common - contempt for the CCP.

India might have contempt for the CCP, but half its population is still living in absolute poverty.....

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:00am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

This is the drivel the CCP tells the Chinese people and the number it has thrown all its chips on.

No, its the reality that made Biden reconsider and amend Trump's tariffs.

[quote]The fact is the CCP's 'progress' has been built on selling sh!t to the world for a dollar a pop - with high-end products overseen by westerners.

Long past; and now China is selling the best value EVs all around the world.

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That oversight can be transferred to Vietnamese and Indian companies - and they both, along with most of the world, have at least one thing in common - contempt for the CCP.

India might have contempt for the CCP, but half its population is still living in absolute poverty.....
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Decoupling has already begun. Foreign companies are moving to Vietnam and India.

Chinese-made EVs have been breaking down and/or batteries blowing up across China.

Poverty in China is rampant.

How long have you lived isolated from the world?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:05am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

Confucius had other ideas. eg:

"The object of the superior man is truth.”

“When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them.”

[quote]Under the CCP it has become blatant to the world - and on a scale the world has never seen before - and shame on us for turning a blind eye.

The world is waking up to US delusions of grandeur and exceptionalism, and it's displays of increasing democratic dysfunction.
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Confucius wrote out of frustration at aristocrats not living a moral life.

The world is waking up to the need for China to be contained - as Deng Xiaoping suggested.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:12am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:05am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

The world is waking up to US delusions of grandeur and exceptionalism, and it's displays of increasing democratic dysfunction.

Confucius wrote out of frustration at aristocrats not living a moral life.

The world is waking up to the need for China to be contained - as Deng Xiaoping suggested.
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so ... a pox on both houses?

Indeed both need to submit to rule of international law, with debt-free money creation in the public sectors of all nations overseen by reformed IMF/World Bank officials, to replace the current crop of sociopathic neoclassicists who run them.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

Indeed both need to submit to rule of international law, with debt-free money creation in the public sectors of all nations overseen by reformed IMF/World Bank officials, to replace the current crop of sociopathic neoclassicists who run them.

The CCP will need to be brought down by the Chinese people before it destroys them all.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm

China's coal use continues to hit record highs.

It built more new coal power plants in 2021 than the rest of the world combined.

This week China signaled it may ease its 2-year unofficial ban on coal imports from Australia.

https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 11:57am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

The CCP will need to be brought down by the Chinese people before it destroys them all.

The ignorant, deluded "natural individual rights" ideologues who despise government and are currently crippling government in the world's "greatest nation" - a national disgrace witnessed by the whole world, as rued by Biden, - that ideology needs to be exposed for the filth it is.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Wrong thread; but China will peak its CO2 emissions by 2030, and achieve zero emissions by 2060, while lifting another 700 million people into the middle class at the same time, on its path to 'common prosperity'.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

👆 CCP Crystal Ball 🔮 comes in handy for spewing propaganda.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

👆 CCP Crystal Ball 🔮 comes in handy for spewing propaganda.

Not propaganda, but let's have a look:

China still needs to lift 700 million, about half its population, out of relative poverty.

Cf Oz which has around 10% living in relative poverty.

and cf. India which still has c.700 million people - about half its population - still living in ABSOLUTE poverty.

See the problem?

The Asian giants - and other developing economies - need to lift living standards quickly, the 1st world doesn't.

Coal is still the fastest and cheapest way to do that, while rolling out renewables ASAP in China and India.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

👆 CCP Crystal Ball 🔮 comes in handy for spewing propaganda.

Not propaganda, but let's have a look:

China still needs to lift 700 million, about half its population, out of relative poverty.

Yep. Crystal Ball Astrology stuff. I understood you the 1st time.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

👆 CCP Crystal Ball 🔮 comes in handy for spewing propaganda.

Not propaganda, but let's have a look:

China still needs to lift 700 million, about half its population, out of relative poverty.

Yep. Crystal Ball Astrology stuff. I understood you the 1st time.

Poor Lisa, hopelessly confused, not capable of understanding much at all.

The need to lift 700 million people out of relative poverty NOW is not crystal ball/looking into the future stuff, it's the task confronting the CCP government NOW.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

👆 CCP Crystal Ball 🔮 comes in handy for spewing propaganda.

Not propaganda, but let's have a look:

China still needs to lift 700 million, about half its population, out of relative poverty.

Yep. Crystal Ball Astrology stuff. I understood you the 1st time.

You're never been intelligent. That much has always been evident. You've essentially just conceded that China is CURRENTLY ie NOW at the (TFU Totally F@rked Up) stage.

(Oh and if you bothered to read my post a tad more carefully instead of toggling btwn IDs ....you would have noticed that I was referring to the predicted ridiculous objectives)

Moving on....the (NOW) task in itself exposes the magnitude of the abysmal failure of the CCP.

The ridiculous crystal ball predictions you included in your post can only fool a dumbarse. Like you.

Anyway it's time you logged off with that id and gave a few of your other ids a chance to have a bit of a sTROLL.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 11:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

You're never been intelligent. That much has always been evident.

Certainly that's been evident of you for a long time, but let's see what you've got:

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You've essentially just conceded that China is CURRENTLY ie NOW at the (TFU Totally F@rked Up) stage.

Wrong of course, economics is not your strong point.
The CCP, over the last 4 decades, has lifted 700 million people out of absolute poverty, faster than any nation in history. And moved 400 million into the middle class.

India by comparison still has 700 million living in absolute poverty, and 400 million still in relative poverty.

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(Oh and if you bothered to read my post a tad more carefully instead of toggling btwn IDs ....you would have noticed that I was referring to the predicted ridiculous objectives)

Devious (or dumb, more likely) aren't you: I explained why China (and India) have to keep burning coal NOW for a while longer, ie, to lift living standards up to developed economy levels, and I noted both intend to reach carbon neutrality by 2060.

You claimed I was 'crystal gazing' as propaganda; burning coal NOW is a necessity for the developing giants, not propaganda. If China and India are still burning coal when they are developed, then you can speak of "propaganda".

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Moving on....the (NOW) task in itself exposes the magnitude of the abysmal failure of the CCP.

Refuted above: no other nation in history has lifted half its population out of absolute poverty in such a short time (4 decades)....and India is yet to do so.

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The ridiculous crystal ball predictions you included in your post can only fool a dumbarse. Like you.

Er... the entire world has signed up to Paris, which means zero carbon emissions by 2050 (the Asian giants 10 years later - reasonable, given the huge task).

Not propaganda (though most nations are probably lying through their teeth...another story, to do with dysfunctional neoliberal economics..)

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Anyway it's time you logged off with that id and gave a few of your other ids a chance to have a bit of a sTROLL.

I'm here to educate you, dear Lisa.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:55pm

Superior Yellow Mongol Man will show Black India and White Russia that Asia is indeed 'Yellow' and already, the CCP has a full 1/3rd of the HAN population living overseas in many countries via 'their' colonisation program.
Yellow Mongol DNA to penetrate in all corners of the globe via its colonies of mass production.

HAN chinese yellow Mongols are now the largest ethnic group of DNA in the city of Sydney (also known as Shang-hai'd).

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by issuevoter on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:29pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:55pm:

You are a paranoiac. Get help.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:35pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:55pm:

You are a paranoiac. Get help.

I'm as crazy as a barnacle. But hey, have a look at the world you're living in. ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:10pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

The problem here is China practices real democracy, whereas countries like America and Australia do not...

Despite Beijing’s recent attempts to sell its own version of democracy,
China’s “consultative democracy” has been on a downslide since Xi came
to power.

The Rise and Fall of Democracy With Chinese Characteristics .

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Mortdooley on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:38pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:51pm:

China is seen in the West as a threat because it proves with its success,
in all fields, that Western democracy is a failed experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NDfBMmj1Aw

So Communism is the answer to the Worlds problems. Is that your point?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by issuevoter on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:53pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:38pm:

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:51pm:

China is seen in the West as a threat because it proves with its success,
in all fields, that Western democracy is a failed experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NDfBMmj1Aw

So Communism is the answer to the Worlds problems. Is that your point?

He doesn't have a point. All his posts are thinly veiled expressions of his envy of the success of the West. You can bet he doesn't wear Chinese style clothing, and his girlfriend has probably had her eyelids fixed.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:06pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:53pm:

He doesn't have a point. All his posts are thinly veiled expressions of his envy of the success of the West.

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/01/21/china-zig-zagging/#respond

But China is not heading into a slump like the G7 economies. Indeed, both the World Bank and the IMF expect China’s real GDP to rise by over 4% this year, while the most G7 economies will be contracting or have near zero growth. If we take the years 2019-23, China’s economic growth rate will have been at least three times as fast as the US and more than five times as fast as the EU – and that’s assuming no slump in the latter economies this year.......

Another prominent and widely-followed Western analyst, Michael Pettis, who is based in Shanghai, makes a similar argument, namely that what will push China into Japanese-style stagnation is the failure to expand personal consumption and continue to expand investment through rising debt. And only this week Keynesian guru Paul Krugman joined the chorus, talking of China’s “wildly unbalanced” economy, which Krugman claims: “For reasons I don’t fully understand, policymakers have been reluctant to allow the full benefits of past economic growth to pass through to households, and that has led to low consumer demand.”

Unfortunately, sections of the Chinese leadership, particularly their economists in the finance sector, accept this annoyingly stupid argument from the Western experts. How can anybody claim that the mature ‘consumer-led’ economies of the G7 have been successful in achieving steady and fast economic growth, or that real wages and consumption growth have been stronger there? Indeed, in the G7 consumption has failed to drive economic growth; and wages have stagnated in real terms over the last ten years (and are now falling), while real wages in China have shot up.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by athos on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:35pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:55pm:

And what's the problem?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm

Er....BECAUSE it is a threat.

D'oh!

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm

China is becoming militarily less of a threat by the day (not that it was much of one anyway).

It's facing population collapse (in 2022 850K more people died in China than were born and the CCP has admitted it overestimated its under-45s numbers).

It's facing economic collapse as years of CCP corruption and disastrous policies have finally begun to reveal the rot.

The current pandemic is yet to add to China's woes.

The biggest threat to the world will be the CCP's inevitable collapse, as the chaos of China's disintegration wreaks havoc on the Chinese and the global economy.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by The Grappler on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:12am

Expansionism physically and into market domination along with massive links all the way across to Portugal along with endless sabre-rattling and threats and strategic outflanking of 'trading partner nations' with sweet deals to their locals sort of have a way of making other countries nervous ........

Not hard if you think it through real hard - for about one second.....

Let's see.... Why Is China Seen In The West As A Threat? Ummmm - because its leadership's actions are threatening?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:12am:

The US thought it's brand of free trade and globalisation would enrich the US, instead it enriched China.

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Let's see.... Why Is China Seen In The West As A Threat? Ummmm - because its leadership's actions are threatening?

No, because the paranoid US is in danger of losing its global hegemony to a successful China, and has created the "China threat" theory which is swallowed hook-line- and sinker, by delusional Western "individual rights" ideologues.

An ideology that is threatening war over Taiwan, to where the delusional "individual rights" ideologues in China in 1949 fled after losing the war between the ideologies of sovereignty of the law versus the sovereignty of the individual.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Frank on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:09am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:12am:

The US thought it's brand of free trade and globalisation would enrich the US, instead it enriched China.

China cheats and lies.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:27am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

A leg of ham has a better chance of surviving Christmas than the CCP has of seeing out the decade without collapsing.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:47am

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:12am:

The US thought it's brand of free trade and globalisation would enrich the US, instead it enriched China.

China cheats and lies.

No; US companies chasing cheap Chinese labour.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:55am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

A leg of ham has a better chance of surviving Christmas than the CCP has of seeing out the decade without collapsing.

Get back to me in a decade....

If China ignores the advice of Western-trained 'flat-earth' neoliberal/neoclassical economists, it will do just fine - and be bigger than the US.

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/01/21/china-zig-zagging/

...China "zig zagging" between Western individual consumption as the driver of development, cf. national investment as the driver of development.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

A leg of ham has a better chance of surviving Christmas than the CCP has of seeing out the decade without collapsing.

There won't be a China as we know it in a decade. The CCP will be gone before then. Even the Chinese can see that.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

A leg of ham has a better chance of surviving Christmas than the CCP has of seeing out the decade without collapsing.

There won't be a China as we know it in a decade. The CCP will be gone before then. Even the Chinese can see that.

Speculation. Carry on.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:20am:

A leg of ham has a better chance of surviving Christmas than the CCP has of seeing out the decade without collapsing.

There won't be a China as we know it in a decade. The CCP will be gone before then. Even the Chinese can see that.

Speculation. Carry on.

Mine's closer to the truth.

The Chinese economy is on the brink of collapse, with foreign companies exiting monthly, heading for India and Vietnam.

Xi Jinping, like Stalin, Hitler and Mao before him, has become isolated as, like them, he has a reputation for shooting the messenger of bad news, so no one dares tell him how bad things are.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

~~The Chinese economy is on the brink of collapse~~, with foreign companies exiting monthly, heading for India and Vietnam.

..as China heads up the value chain, China is the world's largest manufacturer of quality EVs.

As for "collapse", brain dead Western "government debt" fetishists have been saying that for more than a decade, they will continue to be disappointed
(hint: currency-issuing governments can't go broke, the issue is good management of resources, not money.

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Xi Jinping, like Stalin, Hitler and Mao before him, has become isolated as, like them, he has a reputation for shooting the messenger of bad news, so no one dares tell him how bad things are.

Roberts' (in the linked article) sees it differently of course; certain economists in China are urging the Western approach to development, Xi wants to maintain the common prosperity approach.
Not a matter of hiding the bad news, the economic debate is alive and kicking in China.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

~~The Chinese economy is on the brink of collapse~~, with foreign companies exiting monthly, heading for India and Vietnam.

Xi Jinping, like Stalin, Hitler and Mao before him, has become isolated as, like them, he has a reputation for shooting the messenger of bad news, so no one dares tell him how bad things are.

Chinese-made EVs (where they're not overseen by western managers) are the poorest quality vehicles in China. Musk was warned that once the CCP had stolen his technology, they'd hound Tesla out of the country and pump out cheap low-quality EVs that would be trash within 3 years. The Chinese people are the first victims of the Chinese cha bu duo disease.

Common prosperity is now an in-joke among ordinary Chinese and nobody's advising Xi how badly things are going until they're falling apart - like wolf-warrior diplomacy - which is why Zhao Lujan evaporated overnight.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Wrong:

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/manufacturers/global/features/chinese-dominance-european-ev-market-it-happening?t%5B0%5D=Electrification&curl=1

"Indeed, meeting safety and low-budget expectations are the most significant achievements of Chinese brands, which now offer several models with varying prices. This ability to provide EVs at low-budget and even at premium car level is a vital advantage for Chinese brands, which appear as a loyalty test for European customers and satisfy them with their traditional, luxury car taste.

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Common prosperity is now an in-joke among ordinary Chinese and nobody's advising Xi how badly things are going until they're falling apart - like wolf-warrior diplomacy - which is why Zhao Lujan evaporated overnight.

Wrong again. Common prosperity is a joke among greedy western economists who reject the very concept.

Whereas in China it is at least a contested concept, advocated by Xi, since the survival of the CCP depends on achieving it.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

So you don't know any Chinese people, then.

The trend with the Chinese has been the realisation that the Chinese people are considered by the CCP as a commodity to be 'mined', used, and then dispatched with no latitude for anything other than service to the 500 families that form the core of the CCP - a model similar to those of Nazism, Stalinism and Maoism.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by The Grappler on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:02am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm:

On a military forum I frequent, they give the fancy Chinese carrier about one hour against a forty year old US nuke carrier, for a lot of reasons. As for their army, only a fool uses attrition against greater numbers.... chop 'em up slowly with high tech... and their air force is made up of knock-offs of Russian jets from way back yonder... they claim a few more modern ones, but.... oh, well...

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:47am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

So you don't know any Chinese people, then.

Not personally, though I have met Chinese 'democracy lovers' who have immigrated to Oz.

Their world view is the same as yours - based on delusions about 'individual rights' and 'individual sovereignty'.

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The trend with the Chinese has been the realisation that the Chinese people are considered by the CCP as a commodity to be 'mined', used, and then dispatched with no latitude for anything other than service to the 500 families that form the core of the CCP - a model similar to those of Nazism, Stalinism and Maoism.

Mere Western propaganda. Carry on.

Meanwhile the situation in the world's leading democracy aka "the beacon on the hill' is unsustainable, as half the population is living paycheck to paycheck amid soaring inequality - which is even more extreme than that in China, despite the fact per capita GDP is 5 times higher in the US.

Just to demonstrate the egregious effects of the greedy 'individual sovereignty' ideology, on a nation's distribution of resources.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:47am:

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Mere Western propaganda. Carry on.

Because you don't know Chinese people, you wouldn't know that those comments were viral on Chinese social media sites until the CCP banned their uploading and deleted them.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:31pm:

Because you don't know Chinese people, you wouldn't know that those comments were viral on Chinese social media sites until the CCP banned their uploading and deleted them.

Meanwhile, don't forget the mirror:

"the situation in the world's leading democracy aka "the beacon on the hill' is unsustainable, as half the population is living paycheck to paycheck amid soaring inequality - which is even more extreme than that in China, despite the fact per capita GDP is 5 times higher in the US.

Just to demonstrate the egregious effects of the greedy 'individual sovereignty' ideology, on a nation's distribution of resources."

So even if China collapses, we still have to deal with the egregious effects of a greedy, delusional "individual sovereignty/individual liberty" ideology which is ravaging the whole world:

Quote:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/cope-with-your-own-debt-china-tells-us-over-zambia-debt-relief/ar-AA16IXPP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f139683c113249af85fe93c0ae4c7045

‘Cope with your own debt’, China tells US over Zambia debt relief

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 4:26pm

Musk on China:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/musk-says-china-rivals-work-hardest-smartest/ar-AA16KbeT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c28a82a5efdf4ee19571c9eca3fecaaa

Musk says China rivals 'work hardest, smartest'

"Asked about Tesla's competition, Musk responded that he respected car companies in China, calling it the most competitive market in the world.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 4:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Musk learned finally what everyone was telling him would happen if he criticised or competed with the CCP - Teslas were banned from using Chinese roads.

After the CCP had stolen the technology, given it to CCP-owned companies and produced low-quality, cheap knock-offs, Musk was forced to lower the price of Teslas, which then angered those who had bought them at the higher price, so Tesla was forced to repay the original customers the difference.

Nepotism, corruption and kleptocracy are the pillars of totalitarian government and the fatal reasons they all, without exception, collapse.

Now Musk thinks he can turn back time by blowing smoke up CCP arse. He'll learn the hard way again, that once the CCP knows you're weak, it will squeeze harder - the 500 families running the CCP will steal every dollar out of Musk before blowing the husk of Tesla out of China.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Never mind Musk; you are certainly proving your stripes: a deluded "individual rights" ideologue leading the world over a cliff into endless wars, spiralling inequality, and entrenched poverty.

Let's see who has to learn the hard way.....

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Let's see who has to learn the hard way.....

That will be the CCP. China is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Fears are the death toll from covid will rival a Mao-era catastrophe. With over 100 million in rural China living in abject poverty, they will likely make up the majority of victims.

The CCP is making overtures to the US that, in the event of an economic collapse, the CCP be propped up - i.e. not left to collapse.

On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 5:55am

A brighter note, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Let's see who has to learn the hard way.....

That will be the CCP. China is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Er ...while Yellen is screaming for Congress to raise the debt ceiling in the US.

Actually, the truth is: neither the US nor China can go bankrupt (provided they maintain productivity and don't borrow in foreign currencies), they both have currency-issuing governments)

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Fears are the death toll from covid will rival a Mao-era catastrophe. With over 100 million in rural China living in abject poverty, they will likely make up the majority of victims.

Mainly elderly victims, which will mean more resources available to develop the economy.

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The CCP is making overtures to the US that, in the event of an economic collapse, the CCP be propped up - i.e. not left to collapse.

Yes, I suspect the CCP is deluded by Western economists with their debt fetish, a Western (non-Marxist) ruse to keep the mass of people in relative poverty.

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On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:31am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

Mainly elderly victims, which will mean more resources available to develop the economy.

That's definitely what the CCP is hoping for. It dovetails into the current sentiment doing the rounds among Chinese people about the CCP treating them like a commodity to be mined. utilised, then disposed of in a Stalinist / Maoist context.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

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On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

The million dead in the US is the total number of dead. If we're talking total numbers, the worst predictions for the total number of dead in China, after the upcoming waves of this virus are over, will be closer to 40 million.

The CCP's top retired leaders who have died from covid are all recipients of multiple organ transplants and therefore immuno-compromised; organs removed from live victims in prisons and concentration camps. We can all only hope that their deaths were painful.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:25am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

Quote:

On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

How cool. When can we get that here?

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:54am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

Quote:

On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

How cool. When can we get that here?

Given you're a nutjob of not much use to society, sign yourself up for organ donation. When they're ready for your organs they will shoot you in the back of the head (you have to be alive up until harvest time and you cannot have a death-causing drug in your system) then harvest your organs within about 20 minutes.

If you have a rare blood type, your location and travel will be recorded, so they'd know where to abduct you when someone prominent with your matching blood type needs a kidney/liver/heart.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:59am

But I'm not a Criminal.

Maybe you can tell me why the Moslems will do to the French, what the Germans did to the Jews? Afterall, Britain has backed out of the EU (Brexit) to leave the French out in front.
C'mon Mr worldly expert - do tell. ;)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:04am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:59am:

The need for organs isn't predicated on your being a criminal - it makes it easier to get to you but, as long as you're a nutjob, the criteria for candidacy can be extended to the likes of you. They'd likely have to take you off your meds for at least a week to clean your blood.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:14am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:59am:

But the original post states that the organs were taken from Criminals. So what are you blathering about? You have just stated that people who aren't Criminals - like myself, should have their organs removed. I think you're sinister. At least the CCP removes organs from Criminals. Are you going to donate your organs when you die? Have you ticked the box?
Personally, I think your organs are like the fish that John West rejects anyway. ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:17am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:59am:

The criteria can be extended to include nutjobs by a panel of psychiatry experts who could deem the likes of you as no use to society and categorise you as a candidate for organ donation.

Don't think the CCPs current dark logic can't be extended to include other categories of potential donor victims.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:23am

Well you can have my brain anytime Mr Eccy. You're obviously in need. ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:32am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Well you can have my brain anytime Mr Eccy. You're obviously in need. ;D

Your brain matter wouldn't qualify for use - it's too neurologically wired for psychiatric disorders.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:33am

Maybe you could get a Sperm Donation off FreeDiver?
I mean - how green is his cactus? ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:39am

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:33am:

Maybe you could get a Sperm Donation off FreeDiver?
I mean - how green is his cactus? ;D

Ah, one of your sexual fetishes is out and about - you supressed it for a while, but...

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:33am:

Maybe you could get a Sperm Donation off FreeDiver?
I mean - how green is his cactus? ;D

Ah, one of your sexual fetishes is out and about - you supressed it for a while, but...

Oh you got me there Mr Eccy. My envy of FD is that I fail to be the Forum's biggest Prick here. It's a shame you're just a 'soft on' or I might be envious of you too. ;D

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:03pm

Looks like 'Soft-on' has left the building.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Looks like 'Soft-on' has left the building.

Still here. Waiting for you to move further down your sexual fetich path.

Homoeroticism is a feature of Australians with, let's say, broad accents.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

Quote:

On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

Meantime your evil individualist ideology is killing 45000 Americans a year who can't afford health insurance, in the richest country on the planet.

Sheer evil, the resulting hyper-partisanship is making the place ungovernable - and dangerous, with gun deaths increasing all the time.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Looks like 'Soft-on' has left the building.

Still here. Waiting for you to move further down your sexual fetich path.

Homoeroticism is a feature of Australians with, let's say, broad accents.

Well I'm glad you confirmed that you're Mr Soft-on by replying. ;)

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:11pm

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

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On a brighter note, it is estimated that 10% of the CCP's top retired leaders have died from covid.

Same as in the US, with it's million dead....

But you claim CCP officials are wealthy; covid seems to affect the poor more severely.

This is where you prove your ignorance of the Chinese health system under the CCP.

State health care is non-existent in China. The Chinese, (particularly in rural areas) rely on TCM as modern medicine and medicos are unavailable.

That which is available is cripplingly expensive. Private health insurance, like everything in China under the CCP, is completely corrupted. Chinese citizens may pay into a fund, but the company will not pay out on any medical procedures or modern medicine they may need.

The training of doctors at universities in China under the CCP is laughable. The lecturer hands out texts, which the students are expected to read with no questions or dissent entertained - medical cha bu duo. You can be fast-tracked to graduation via guanxi with CCP officials.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

This is where you prove your ignorance of the Chinese health system under the CCP.

This is where you prove you are an evil individualist ideologue. I was telling you about the consequences of your evil individualist ideology in the richest nation on the planet.

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State health care is non-existent in China. The Chinese, (particularly in rural areas) rely on TCM as modern medicine and medicos are unavailable.

That which is available is cripplingly expensive. Private health insurance, like everything in China under the CCP, is completely corrupted. Chinese citizens may pay into a fund, bud the company will not pay out on any medical procedures or modern medicine they may need.

The training of doctors at universities in China under the CCP is laughable. The lecturer hands out texts, which the students are expected to read with no questions or dissent entertained - medical cha bu duo. You can be fast-tracked to graduation via guanxi with CCP officials.

Yet your evil ideology kills people in the richest nation on the planet, for lack of affordable health insurance.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:31pm

The American Health system is one of the worst in the world.
During the Vietnam War - it's medics killed most of the wounded. The American Health System was one of Hillary's favourite 'honey jars' to dip into to fund Obama (As Wikileaks proved) and is nothing more than a revenue making scheme for the Democrats.

These days, Americans escape the USA and swim to Cuba, for the far superior Health System that was set up by Castro and his Communism.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

This is where you prove your ignorance of the Chinese health system under the CCP.

This is where you prove you are an evil individualist ideologue. I was telling you about the consequences of your evil individualist ideology in the richest nation on the planet.

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State health care is non-existent in China. The Chinese, (particularly in rural areas) rely on TCM as modern medicine and medicos are unavailable.

More ideology-based lies:
(quick google)

"China does have free public healthcare which is under the country's social insurance plan. The healthcare system provides basic coverage for the majority of the native population and, in most cases, expats as well. However, it will depend on the region you reside in."

Now in a country with still a fifth the US per capita GDP, obviously there will remain inadequacies in the system.

[quote]That which is available is cripplingly expensive. Private health insurance, like everything in China under the CCP, is completely corrupted. Chinese citizens may pay into a fund, bud the company will not pay out on any medical procedures or modern medicine they may need.

The training of doctors at universities in China under the CCP is laughable. The lecturer hands out texts, which the students are expected to read with no questions or dissent entertained - medical cha bu duo. You can be fast-tracked to graduation via guanxi with CCP officials.

Yet your evil ideology kills people in the richest nation on the planet, for lack of affordable health insurance.
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You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

The Chinese health system under the CCP is non-existent.

You might have noticed in the clips from China show people in hospitals with drips in their arms. The Chinese have an obsession with them. They think they're receiving western antibiotics and the health system humours them with saline solution.

Hospital wards are disease pits as they are rarely sterilised, just wiped down with a cloth and water.

Doctors generally do not travel to or are not located in rural areas, so the local witch doctor makes do with dead insects and herbs.

Child health, due to poverty, is bad and will be the reason that a larger number of young people will die in China than has been the case anywhere else in the world.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

And you are going to have to relinquish your evil individualist ideology, before you can sensibly criticize the CCP.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:56pm

Considering the Chinese population is greater than the American one, especially the white American population.
I would say the 'Health' of China is going great guns.
Afterall - their Health system isn't turning their kids into freaks.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

And you are going to have to relinquish your evil individualist ideology, before you can sensibly criticize the CCP.

The world is all going to see, as we did after the collapse of the Soviet Union, what evil really is when the CCP collapses.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

And you are going to have to relinquish your evil individualist ideology, before you can sensibly criticize the CCP.

The world is all going to see, as we did after the collapse of the Soviet Union, what evil really is when the CCP collapses

Only an evil, blind, individualist ideologue could make such an idiotic remark - the whole world is always confronted with the evil of entrenched poverty and endless wars everywhere.

Courtesy of your evil ideology which prevents a proper rules-based order being established, as was attempted in 1946, but destroyed by ideologues insisting on protection of 'national sovereignty' (hence the crippling veto in the UNSC).

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

And you are going to have to relinquish your evil individualist ideology, before you can sensibly criticize the CCP.

The world is all going to see, as we did after the collapse of the Soviet Union, what evil really is when the CCP collapses

You're stringing adjectives and clutching pearls again.

You need to understand that totalitarianism is hard-wired to fail and collapse. It is inherently corrupt - as all its forms elsewhere in the 20th century have proved.

The CCP has tried to plug the lie that absolute poverty has been eradicated in China. The only things that are alive and well in China are: rampant corruption, absolute poverty and covid-19

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

It's quite obvious that the USA - claiming to be the righteous of the Political world above the UK, is in fact - failing to lead by example and that is why other nations are manifested as political failures also. The illusion is that the USA uses them, to distract the world from it's own failing.

It's a False God, using the lesser False Gods, to make itself look better than it really is.

A True God, would never do so. A True God (Of Politics) would lead by example for other nations to follow - the proven path of success. The USA is (currently?) not that.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

You're going to have to leave your mother's basement and talk to Chinese people who can teach you something about China under the CCP.

And you are going to have to relinquish your evil individualist ideology, before you can sensibly criticize the CCP.

The world is all going to see, as we did after the collapse of the Soviet Union, what evil really is when the CCP collapses

~~You're stringing adjectives~~ and clutching pearls again.

The truth is a pearl.

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You need to understand that totalitarianism is hard-wired to fail and collapse. It is inherently corrupt - as all its forms elsewhere in the 20th century have proved.

You need to understand that totalitarianism was a reaction against the evils of the capitalist world in the 19th century. Undoubtedly Marx would not have approved of the methods used to establish 'socialism', in Russia and China - they were largely subsistence agricultural economies, not the industrializing economy Marx had in mind.

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The CCP has tried to plug the lie that absolute poverty has been eradicated in China. The only things that are alive and well in China are: rampant corruption, absolute poverty and covid-19

The only thing alive in your head is blind, self-interested "freedom" ideology.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by Xavier on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:55pm

The past points to Australia being the Criminals and the Americans being the Free.
The future points to Australia being freed and America being the Criminal.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 4:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

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You need to understand that totalitarianism is hard-wired to fail and collapse. It is inherently corrupt - as all its forms elsewhere in the 20th century have proved.

Lenin had no problem with imposing a reign of terror on the newly formed Soviet Union. Stalin having usurped the state by exiling and murdering all contenders, lost count of how many Soviets he'd murdered after 10 million. Mao didn't bother counting but was ok with the murder of half the population of China if needed (300 million). Xi is ploughing his way to Mao-style numbers as the facade of the CCP's health care system is laid bare for the fraud that it is.

The number of Chinese living today in extreme poverty in China is estimated at over 100 million. Most will be dead by the end of the year.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

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You need to understand that totalitarianism is hard-wired to fail and collapse. It is inherently corrupt - as all its forms elsewhere in the 20th century have proved.

So you don't understand the principle of reaction - in this case, against the evils of 19th century capitalism.

Meanwhile, s ince 1980 China has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

Time for you to teach yourself something about macro- eonomics, regardless of any sins of the CCP:

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=51201

Conclusion
The point is that both sides of .... politics are crippled by the same fictional mania about having to design policies that cover spending with tax revenue, not understanding that to really address the challenges will require substantially larger fiscal deficits for an extended period into the future".

It will be far more benficial for you, than listening to Peterson's unbalanced "individual responsibility" nonsense based on his ignorance of economics.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

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You need to understand that totalitarianism is hard-wired to fail and collapse. It is inherently corrupt - as all its forms elsewhere in the 20th century have proved.

So you rant about others digging up Maoist past atrocities, then rant about 19th-century capitalism.

The CCP has published that it lifted more people out of poverty since 1980, but the CCP is currently congratulating itself on the success of its pandemic management. It does not acknowledge that absolute poverty is far from eradicated in China and any mention of it will get the reporter arrested and jailed for picking quarrels and causing trouble.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So you rant about others digging up Maoist past atrocities, then rant about 19th-century capitalism.

Poor analysis: I point out that the CCP has evolved since Mao, so that since 1980 it has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

Meanwhile the evils of 19th century capitalism gave rise to central command states like Stalin's Russia and Mao's China, while capitalist excesses remain in the US and elsewhere (like 45,000 uninsured health deaths in the US per year)

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The CCP has published that it lifted more people out of poverty since 1980,

And the entire world - except apparently deluded "freedom values" ideologues like you, acknowledges the fact.

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but the CCP is currently congratulating itself on the success of its pandemic management.....

Change of topic won't save you

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It does not acknowledge that absolute poverty is far from eradicated in China and any mention of it will get the reporter arrested and jailed for picking quarrels and causing trouble.

China's per capita GDP is 5 times and more the level of 3rd world absolute poverty.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So you rant about others digging up Maoist past atrocities, then rant about 19th-century capitalism.

Poor analysis: I point out that the CCP has evolved since Mao, so that since 1980 it has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

No it hasn't evolved. It's got more secretive about hiding atrocities. Using its surveillance technology, the CCP has quietly disappeared nearly everyone who held up a piece of blank paper in December, even arresting people who lived near by or were just walking past demonstrations.

The actual number of people lifted out of poverty will never be known as the CCP has fabricated, in its favour, every figure known about China and, given there is no independent reporting possible, it is now understood that all data about China is unreliable.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 3:20pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So you rant about others digging up Maoist past atrocities, then rant about 19th-century capitalism.

Poor analysis: I point out that the CCP has evolved since Mao, so that since 1980 it has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

No it hasn't evolved.

Poor anaysis. as usual.

We are talking about how to engender prosperity and eliminate poverty. China has created the world's largest middle class (400 million) in history , as well as lifting a billion out of 3rd world poverty, since 1980, at the fastest rate in history.

That's evolution.

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The actual number of people lifted out of poverty will never be known as the CCP has fabricated, in its favour, every figure known about China and, given there is no independent reporting possible, it is now understood that all data about China is unreliable.

Er...it's a fact China is now the biggest economy in the world by PPP - which relates to purchasing power inside any nation, to give comparisons of purchasing power within nations.

about $23 trillion in fact ...hefty enough to eliminate absolute poverty.

Title: Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat?
Post by MeisterEckhart on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 4:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

So you rant about others digging up Maoist past atrocities, then rant about 19th-century capitalism.

Poor analysis: I point out that the CCP has evolved since Mao, so that since 1980 it has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

No it hasn't evolved.

China is on the verge of economic collapse.

There are only two things that concern CCP seniors, (and they're not how to engender prosperity and eliminate poverty): (1) how to get their money out of China and (2) where to escape to when the CCP collapses. The US/Canada, UK, Australia and Europe are likely closed off to them, which leaves Russia and maybe the middle east as the two most likely regions. Russia, of course, looks less attractive by the day, so the middle east is fast becoming the most likely.

Most have already got their families out.