Australians in Syrian detention camps to be brought home by federal government 8-)

"Australians in Syrian detention camps to be brought home by federal government"



They are not Australians,     ....they are followers of ISLAM.

ISLAM is a nation of people, with a national purpose.



Q.
Why did these 'Australian' followers of ISLAM travel to Syria ?

A.
They travelled to Syria so that they could be a part of the [emerging, 'blossoming'] ISLAMIC STATE OF SYRIA AND IRAQ [back in 2011].

Allegiance to ISLAM trumps these persons allegiance to Australia and its laws.



These persons are not Australians [except when they want Australians to rescue them from   THEIR OWN   ISLAMIC entanglements].



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1

Quote:

ARGUMENT; The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM; 1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion, and, 2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, NON-ISLAMIC. ".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah." The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM.  [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion] And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not. And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM. INCLUDING, all disbelievers.   e.g. Koran 60.4 . FURTHER; WWW search.... AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists" Essentially, it translates as; ".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah." It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts. It means, HATING the non-moslem.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts. It means, being a moslem. It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW ! Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran.... "Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...." Koran 58.22 "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers." Koran 9.23

Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda.  They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:

Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda. They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

brian,

Q.
Why don't you delete my post brian ???       :-?

Then my TRUTHFUL post would not upset you so much.


Oh, brian cannot delete my post,         ......only,      ......because this is not the DEFENCE board.      :P

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:

Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda. They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

brain,

Instead of accusing me of being 'ISLAMOPHOBIC', why couldn't you have called me a liar ?

And then, you could have embarrassed me in this public forum, by pointing out all of my lies.



FOR EXAMPLE.....
I claimed that [some] 'Australian' followers of ISLAM, travelled to Syria so that they could be a part of the [emerging, 'blossoming'] ISLAMIC STATE OF SYRIA AND IRAQ [back in 2011].

I claimed that ISLAM is a nation of people, with a national purpose.

I claimed that the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM, to ISLAM,   ....trumps any sworn allegiance to Australia and its laws [or to any other secular jurisdiction].

I claimed that these persons are only claiming to be Australians now, because they want Australians to rescue them from   THEIR OWN   ISLAMIC entanglements [i.e. from the consequences of their own choices, as followers of ISLAM].



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Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

....WWW search



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Every one of these 'Australian' followers of ISLAM, in Syria,   ....is still, and remains, a follower of ISLAM.


Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.


That is what a 'moslem' is.


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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

Quote:

MY ARGUMENT; 1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM. 2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law. And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 11:59pm:

Quote: Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA ....WWW search

Quote:

...... Once a person accepts Islam, they unlock a membership to a community that spans all of time and space–the Muslim ummah. The idea of a Muslim community is referenced in Islam’s two primary sources, the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet, or the sunnah. in the Quran [2:143]. Although the word “ummah” is used for other groups of people as well, the general usage of the term today refers specifically to the global Muslim ummah. Ummah is also a term that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, used to describe all of his followers. Many of his sayings use the phrase “my ummah” within them and it is often translated as “nation.” ......

https://www.whyislam.org/social-ties-2/the-bond-between-all-muslims-the-ummah/

ISLAMIC source





Quote:

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" ......

https://sheikyermami.com/2014/06/tabari-969-killing-unbelievers-is-a-small-matter-to-us-2/

Great way to live a life ... leave Australia, where they were safe, to follow some terrorist menfolk to an unsafe illegal war zone, give birth to a bunch of kids, watch while their menfolk are killed by superior forces, get stuck in the place, then beg Australia to take them back where they'll be safe ... safe in jail, if that's what it takes

Prepared to go to jail ..... but we all know they won't be jailed


"Labor needs to assure Australians that individuals who may have been radicalised pose no threat upon their return to Australia — and explain the efforts they're going to undertake to monitor and rehabilitate these individuals."

A bit of double dutch gobbledeegook there I'd say



I'm more than happy to pay the fines rather than vote

They should be returned to Australia under strict conditions. In addition to those conditions mentioned in the article the women should agree to make public appearances and  speak to groups or individuals deemed at risk of radicalisation telling them exactly what life was like under Islamic State.

Quote:

"These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019.

Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground.

Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies

Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. ::) ::)

Quote:

Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.

Do you think leaving the country to join a hostile enemy terrorist organisation might justify a bit of paperwork?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground. Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. ::) ::)

:D :D
Gawd you are full of shite, Bbwian!

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1498885182/198#198

Frank wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 1:04pm: Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground. Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. ::) ::) :D :D Gawd you are full of shite, Bbwian! https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1498885182/198#198

Oh, poor, poor, little, Soren.  Trapped?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 5:43pm:

Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?

Of course. Freedom of speech, innit.

As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that.

Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe.

Frank wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:05pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? Of course. Freedom of speech, innit. As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that. Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe.

I could always just say I have one, which would be just as good.

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? Of course. Freedom of speech, innit. As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that. Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe. I could always just say I have one, which would be just as good.

Modesty, eh, FD? You're just too modest. What next?
Hijab, insh'alah?

Frank wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:32pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? Of course. Freedom of speech, innit. As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that. Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe. I could always just say I have one, which would be just as good. Modesty, eh, FD? You're just too modest. What next? Hijab, insh'alah?

I just awarded myself an honorary doctorate of divinity, for patience in the face of spineless apologetics.

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:42pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:32pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? Of course. Freedom of speech, innit. As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that. Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe. I could always just say I have one, which would be just as good. Modesty, eh, FD? You're just too modest. What next? Hijab, insh'alah? I just awarded myself an honorary doctorate of divinity, for patience in the face of spineless apologetics.

Brian is superior to us:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622526696

Brian,

Quote:

I have a Bachelor degree with honours, a Masters Degree and a Doctor of Divinity degree. In some aspects I am superior to many posters here.   Tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png

Jealousy is a curse, Bobby.   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:42pm:

I just awarded myself an honorary doctorate of divinity, for patience in the face of spineless apologetics.

Based on what I've seen, that's about how you've acquired all your qualifications

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 7:57pm:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Jealousy is a curse, Bobby.   ::) ::)

Yes - you are superior to me and most other people on Ozpolitic.
I am surprised you waste your time with such commoners?

Belgarion wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 8:45am:

They should be returned to Australia under strict conditions. In addition to those conditions mentioned in the article the women should agree to make public appearances and  speak to groups or individuals deemed at risk of radicalisation telling them exactly what life was like under Islamic State.

They're in a body bag?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground. Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. ::) ::)

You have the ability not to ad hom, which you delete posts for in Defence, outside of it as Soren's link shows you doing. What do you call someone that does that?

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 12:22pm:

Quote: "These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019.

Well then we can have confidence that all will be ok.

It is extremely unlikely that Dutton would be right for his first time.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 8:33pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 12:22pm: Quote: "These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019. Well then we can have confidence that all will be ok. It is extremely unlikely that Dutton would be right for his first time.

It might be a long shot but do you think these people that joined Islamic State might actually believe the ideology they left this country to carry out in the M.E.? As you know, even a broken clock... It's pretty poor judgement to let something happen just because you don't like someone even though they have made their intentions and allegiances clear. Perhaps you can claim "it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind."

Bobby. wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:50pm:

Brian is superior to us: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622526696 Brian, Quote: I have a Bachelor degree with honours, a Masters Degree and a Doctor of Divinity degree. In some aspects I am superior to many posters here.   Tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

Yeah, brian is so superior,   .....while on the DEFENCE board.

On that board he behaves like a demi-god.



He answers to no one.
.....merely removing any and all posts with opinions that he, brian [the demi-god] does not agree with/'finds offensive'.

I suspect brian is actually a North Korean, and the 2nd cousin of THE SUPERIOR, Kim Jong-un
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IMAGE.....
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Kim_Jong-un_April_2019_%28cropped%29.jpg/330px-Kim_Jong-un_April_2019_%28cropped%29.jpg
Murderer

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png

Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 12:02pm:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Back to your damp little 'Defence' sandpit, cockwomble.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 12:02pm:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You started it .... by posting a link to a story that the Labor party was never going to change their mind about ... so why post the link? Are you just trying to rub it in our faces?

Yadda is only responding to the story ... and how do you think posters' are going to react when Labor says this? .... "Labor needs to assure Australians that individuals who may have been radicalised pose no threat upon their return to Australia"


There's been about twelve innocent Australians murdered by mulims already in Sydney and Melbourne streets. The risk factor is high with muslims in any Western society

So, who is the Labor party trying to convince when it says: "[potentially] radicalized individuals pose no threat to Australia" ... and in the same breath, saying: We'll monitor them" .... that's great reassurance, isn't it? ... and a stupid contradiction

And that's how it is with muslims, they're a threat and need monitoring. The AFP is watching them all the time

When is Julian Assange coming home? I don't recall he cut any heads off, or murdered anyone, or joined a terrorist organization

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 1:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 12:02pm: https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You started it .... by posting a link to a story that the Labor party was never going to change their mind about ... so why post the link? Are you just trying to rub it in our faces?

If you cannot handle reality, what does that suggest about you, Bias? ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 1:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 12:02pm: https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You started it .... by posting a link to a story that the Labor party was never going to change their mind about ... so why post the link? Are you just trying to rub it in our faces? If you cannot handle reality, what does that suggest about you, Bias? ::) ::)

Cherry picking!


So you're just rubbing it in

There's enough news reports on TV about it without any further antagonizing from you.

If the Labor party won't compromise on the issue and no one can do anything about it, then why bring it up in here? ... stirring, that's all you're doing

You want to talk about reality, well there's one reality you'll need to look at ... both the ALP and the Coalition have the lowest primary vote they've ever had, and it's getting lower. Tell us how they're going to raise it higher?

So how did these people get Australian citizenship?

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 3:36pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 1:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 12:02pm: https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You started it .... by posting a link to a story that the Labor party was never going to change their mind about ... so why post the link? Are you just trying to rub it in our faces? If you cannot handle reality, what does that suggest about you, Bias? ::) ::) Cherry picking! So you're just rubbing it in There's enough news reports on TV about it without any further antagonizing from you.

How is merely posting a headline and a link to it, "antagonising", Bias?  You really do have problems with reality, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

issuevoter wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

So how did these people get Australian citizenship?

They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Not necessarily. The children of illegal immigrants, consular officials, temporary residents or visitors for example, are not Australian citizens, even if born here.

Belgarion wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Not necessarily. The children of illegal immigrants, consular officials, temporary residents or visitors for example, are not Australian citizens, even if born here.

I thought all illegal immigrants lived on Manus or Nauru, Belgarion?  Nor are they born here as a consequence so don't count.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:47pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 3:36pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 1:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 12:02pm: https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/whatsapp/238/yawning-face_1f971.png Whinge, whinge, complain.  Yadda stop being so childish and stick to the topic.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You started it .... by posting a link to a story that the Labor party was never going to change their mind about ... so why post the link? Are you just trying to rub it in our faces? If you cannot handle reality, what does that suggest about you, Bias? ::) ::) Cherry picking! So you're just rubbing it in There's enough news reports on TV about it without any further antagonizing from you. How is merely posting a headline and a link to it, "antagonising", Bias?  You really do have problems with reality, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Because it's what you are, an antagonist

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

A lot of these kids apologists like you want to bring here weren't born here they were born in the Islamic state.

Was the Islamic state declared a terrorist group? Are you supporting terrorists?

Lets see the taxpayers will fund public housing these people will be on welfare then we can add costs for monitoring them to the taxpayers. I guess we can employ more police and prison guards by bringing them back here.

Bringing FunDaMental muslims here what could go wrong?  ::) ::) ::)

Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 10:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:50pm: Brian is superior to us: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622526696 Brian, Quote: I have a Bachelor degree with honours, a Masters Degree and a Doctor of Divinity degree. In some aspects I am superior to many posters here.   Tsk, tsk...    ::) ::) Yeah, brian is so superior,   .....while on the DEFENCE board. On that board he behaves like a demi-god. He answers to no one. .....merely removing any and all posts with opinions that he, brian [the demi-god] does not agree with/'finds offensive'. I suspect brian is actually a North Korean, and the 2nd cousin of THE SUPERIOR, Kim Jong-un . IMAGE..... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Kim_Jong-un_April_2019_%28cropped%29.jpg/330px-Kim_Jong-un_April_2019_%28cropped%29.jpg Murderer

Careful Yadda -   Brian out-degrees you.
He's got degrees coming out of his ears.
He's like a guru or a wise sage who gives out advice to lost people.

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:51am:

Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I  might answer yours.   ::) ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 11:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm:   Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) A lot of these kids apologists like you want to bring here weren't born here they were born in the Islamic state.

They inherited their citizenship from their parent, Baron.   Do you want to overturn the entire rationale of the Vienna Convention?   ::) ::)


Quote:

Was the Islamic state declared a terrorist group? Are you supporting terrorists? Lets see the taxpayers will fund public housing these people will be on welfare then we can add costs for monitoring them to the taxpayers. I guess we can employ more police and prison guards by bringing them back here. Bringing FunDaMental muslims here what could go wrong?  ::) ::) ::)

They are citizens.  They deserve the protection of citizenship.  They are innocent of all crimes until they are judged guilty of any crimes they have been charged with.  You represent the mob.  I do hope you have your flaming torches, hayforks and scythes ready for when they arrive, Baron.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Dutton doing his Mr.Idiot impersonations - Opposition leader Peter Dutton has 'grave concerns' over plan to rescue Australians in Syrian detention camps ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Dutton doing his Mr.Idiot impersonations - Opposition leader Peter Dutton has 'grave concerns' over plan to rescue Australians in Syrian detention camps ::)

He is absolutely right to express grave misgivings.

The jihadi bozo who killed two people on London Bridge was released from prison early, had gone through 'deradicalisation programs' and still killed two young people attending an offender rehabilitation conference to which Usman Khan had been invited as a previous participant in the programme,[ and although banned from entering London under the terms of his release, he was granted a one-day exemption to attend.

Two murdered, five wounded. Jihadi snake shot dead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50594810

Only a complete moral bankrupt and all round cockwomble would characterise grave concern about such people as 'Mr Idiot impersonation'.  You ARE the enemy of what you pretend to be your people, Bbwian.

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:12pm: Dutton doing his Mr.Idiot impersonations - Opposition leader Peter Dutton has 'grave concerns' over plan to rescue Australians in Syrian detention camps ::) He is absolutely right to express grave misgivings. The jihadi bozo who killed two people on London Bridge was released from prison early, had gone through 'deradicalisation programs' and still killed two young people attending an offender rehabilitation conference to which Usman Khan had been invited as a previous participant in the programme,[ and although banned from entering London under the terms of his release, he was granted a one-day exemption to attend. Two murdered, five wounded. Jihadi snake shot dead. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50594810 Only a complete moral bankrupt and all round cockwomble would characterise grave concern about such people as 'Mr Idiot impersonation'.  You ARE the enemy of what you pretend to be your people, Bbwian.

Another leader of the mob.  I do hope you have your nooses ready, Soren?  As I already said, "They are citizens.  They deserve the protection of citizenship.  They are innocent of all crimes until they are judged guilty of any crimes they have been charged with.  You represent the mob.  I do hope you have your flaming torches, hayforks and scythes ready for when they arrive, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)"

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:12pm: Dutton doing his Mr.Idiot impersonations - Opposition leader Peter Dutton has 'grave concerns' over plan to rescue Australians in Syrian detention camps ::) He is absolutely right to express grave misgivings. The jihadi bozo who killed two people on London Bridge was released from prison early, had gone through 'deradicalisation programs' and still killed two young people attending an offender rehabilitation conference to which Usman Khan had been invited as a previous participant in the programme,[ and although banned from entering London under the terms of his release, he was granted a one-day exemption to attend. Two murdered, five wounded. Jihadi snake shot dead. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50594810 Only a complete moral bankrupt and all round cockwomble would characterise grave concern about such people as 'Mr Idiot impersonation'.  You ARE the enemy of what you pretend to be your people, Bbwian. Another leader of the mob.  I do hope you have your nooses ready, Soren?  As I already said, "They are citizens.  They deserve the protection of citizenship.  They are innocent of all crimes until they are judged guilty of any crimes they have been charged with.  You represent the mob.  I do hope you have your flaming torches, hayforks and scythes ready for when they arrive, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)"

When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian.

Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back?

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:23pm:

When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back?

If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

They should be held accountable for what they did. Do you think joining and assisting the enemy in a time of war is a crime Brian?

Here's a hint: think before responding.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The really young ones will be separated from the mothers, the jihadi bints.
They will be the next Stolen Generation down the track - children of the enemies of Australia saved from their parents will come back and put their hands out for compo for being removed from a toxic environment. Not without precedent in the Australian legal context.

The 16-18 year old cohort will energise all the little jihadis and will be a leavening agent for keepin' the Ummah dream alive in suburban Greenacre and Lakemba.

By your idiotic reckoning, anyone with Australian citizenship who joined Hitler should have been repatriated and left alone until it was proven, in the fog of war, that they did anything like what they they joined up for.

Bbwian, you are a despicable, morally bankrupt man and the only mitigating circumstance is that you are even more stupid and idiotic than you are morally corrupt. 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Those women betrayed our country by running away to marry ISIS fighters.
They then started breeding the next generation of terrorists.
I say - stuff them - we don't want them back here.
They made their bed - now they can lie in it.

I see another member of the mob has joined. Do you have your flaming torches, you pitchforks, your scythes and your nooses ready, Bobby?  Do you always react like this when confronted by someone who has done something wrong?  You seem to be one who judges a person before they have done anything specifically wrong?  I suppose you supported the Nazis in their holocaust against the Jews?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:51am:

Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?

serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you

you'd rather rape them with a cactus?

and whats your solution for the kids?

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:23pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you you'd rather rape them with a cactus? and whats your solution for the kids?

Muslim brides or Bacha Bazi? That is the culture their parents signed up for and a fine culture it is, eh.

Setanta wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you you'd rather rape them with a cactus? and whats your solution for the kids? Muslim brides or Bacha Bazi? That is the culture their parents signed up for and a fine culture it is, eh.

you don't 'sign up' for your culture.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 6:50pm:

I see another member of the mob has joined. Do you have your flaming torches, you pitchforks, your scythes and your nooses ready, Bobby?  Do you always react like this when confronted by someone who has done something wrong?  You seem to be one who judges a person before they have done anything specifically wrong?  I suppose you supported the Nazis in their holocaust against the Jews?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

An educated person like you should know
that you have employed a logical fallacy called Argumentum Ad Hitlerum.

you are forgiven
namaste


https://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentumAdHitlerum

The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler?
This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium',
from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs.

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:37pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you you'd rather rape them with a cactus? and whats your solution for the kids? Muslim brides or Bacha Bazi? That is the culture their parents signed up for and a fine culture it is, eh. you don't 'sign up' for your culture.

Really? So Australian women, converted to Islam, went to join ISIS and they didn't didn't sign up the the Muslim culture and it's ideals? Really? You do sign up for your culture, it can propagate, subsume other cultures, out compete them. That you accept the one handed to you does not mean Jack. If in fact you don't accept what was handed to you, you chose or "signed up" to something else.

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:40pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) The really young ones will be separated from the mothers, the jihadi bints. They will be the next Stolen Generation down the track - children of the enemies of Australia saved from their parents will come back and put their hands out for compo for being removed from a toxic environment. Not without precedent in the Australian legal context. The 16-18 year old cohort will energise all the little jihadis and will be a leavening agent for keepin' the Ummah dream alive in suburban Greenacre and Lakemba. By your idiotic reckoning, anyone with Australian citizenship who joined Hitler should have been repatriated and left alone until it was proven, in the fog of war, that they did anything like what they they joined up for. Bbwian, you are a despicable, morally bankrupt man and the only mitigating circumstance is that you are even more stupid and idiotic than you are morally corrupt.

You appear to have no moral compass at all, Soren.  Did you lose it in your European travels?  For someone who admonishes so many other posters for lacking any morality, you are the worst.  You attack people because of their ethnicity, their "race", their religion and lastly because of their circumstances.  You attack other posters simply for having a differing opinion to yours.  When you grow up and start to act like an adult it could be possible to have a conversation with you but until then, you will remain a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:50pm: I see another member of the mob has joined. Do you have your flaming torches, you pitchforks, your scythes and your nooses ready, Bobby?  Do you always react like this when confronted by someone who has done something wrong?  You seem to be one who judges a person before they have done anything specifically wrong?  I suppose you supported the Nazis in their holocaust against the Jews?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) An educated person like you should know that you have employed a logical fallacy called Argumentum Ad Hitlerum. you are forgiven namaste https://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentumAdHitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs.

Unable to face reality, Bobby?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do.

What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:50pm: I see another member of the mob has joined. Do you have your flaming torches, you pitchforks, your scythes and your nooses ready, Bobby?  Do you always react like this when confronted by someone who has done something wrong?  You seem to be one who judges a person before they have done anything specifically wrong?  I suppose you supported the Nazis in their holocaust against the Jews?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) An educated person like you should know that you have employed a logical fallacy called Argumentum Ad Hitlerum. you are forgiven namaste https://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentumAdHitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs. Unable to face reality, Bobby?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Mr multiple degrees Brian,

apologise for your Reductio Ad Nazium.

"a cheap, juvenile means of debate"

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:02pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do. What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Sure. If being Australian is wishing the demise and annihilation of it's democratic, secular way of life, it's tolerance and generally peaceful way of life and the installation of an Islamic theocracy is what you mean by Australian.

Setanta wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:02pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do. What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Sure. If being Australian is wishing the demise and annihilation of it's democratic, secular way of life, it's tolerance and generally peaceful way of life and the installation of an Islamic theocracy is what you mean by Australian.

Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to seek a similar situation in their hatred of Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, almost anybody that doesn't fit their narrow ideas of what constitutes an "Australian", Setanta.  Should they lose their citizenship as a consequence?  Afterall it is fair for one, it is fair for all, now isn't it?  ::) ::)

Setanta wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:40pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:37pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you you'd rather rape them with a cactus? and whats your solution for the kids? Muslim brides or Bacha Bazi? That is the culture their parents signed up for and a fine culture it is, eh. you don't 'sign up' for your culture. Really? So Australian women, converted to Islam, went to join ISIS and they didn't didn't sign up the the Muslim culture and it's ideals? Really? You do sign up for your culture, it can propagate, subsume other cultures, out compete them. That you accept the one handed to you does not mean Jack. If in fact you don't accept what was handed to you, you chose or "signed up" to something else.

ISIS isn't 'muslim culture'.

and not accepting what is handed to you is not signing up to something else, no matter how much you might wish it so

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:56pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:40pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) The really young ones will be separated from the mothers, the jihadi bints. They will be the next Stolen Generation down the track - children of the enemies of Australia saved from their parents will come back and put their hands out for compo for being removed from a toxic environment. Not without precedent in the Australian legal context. The 16-18 year old cohort will energise all the little jihadis and will be a leavening agent for keepin' the Ummah dream alive in suburban Greenacre and Lakemba. By your idiotic reckoning, anyone with Australian citizenship who joined Hitler should have been repatriated and left alone until it was proven, in the fog of war, that they did anything like what they they joined up for. Bbwian, you are a despicable, morally bankrupt man and the only mitigating circumstance is that you are even more stupid and idiotic than you are morally corrupt.  You appear to have no moral compass at all, Soren.  Did you lose it in your European travels?  For someone who admonishes so many other posters for lacking any morality, you are the worst.  You attack people because of their ethnicity, their "race", their religion and lastly because of their circumstances.  You attack other posters simply for having a differing opinion to yours.  When you grow up and start to act like an adult it could be possible to have a conversation with you but until then, you will remain a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Thank you Mr Bbwian.




https://youtu.be/awGUvwNzC4w

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 7:23pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you

Are you suggesting there is no serious threat?


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"These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019.

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The federal government has not gone into detail about its plans but a spokesman for Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil said any decision is informed by national security advice.

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"The women have all offered their full cooperation with law enforcement authorities should they be repatriated here in Australia," he told the ABC. "They have also offered themselves to be subject to terrorism control orders by consent, which is unprecedented in Australia's history that these women would say we are ok for our every move to be monitored.

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The federal government has said Australian women and children expected to be repatriated from Syria will be closely monitored by national security agencies, as the Coalition argued the rescue mission is too dangerous. Labor frontbencher Tanya Plibersek said the government was following the advice of security agencies. "But I think for everybody involved, there will be an ongoing expectation that our security and intelligence agencies will stay in contact with them and monitor them."

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:02pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do. What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Sure. If being Australian is wishing the demise and annihilation of it's democratic, secular way of life, it's tolerance and generally peaceful way of life and the installation of an Islamic theocracy is what you mean by Australian. Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to seek a similar situation in their hatred of Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, almost anybody that doesn't fit their narrow ideas of what constitutes an "Australian", Setanta.  Should they lose their citizenship as a consequence?  Afterall it is fair for one, it is fair for all, now isn't it?  ::) ::)

Are they leaving Australia to join ISIS or similar groups? If they are, well don't let them back in.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to

Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian.

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian.

Careful - he'll call you a Nazi.  ;)

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian.

I have to wonder about the "nominally" and why it was used.

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Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:56pm: Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:40pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:23pm: When someone joins a foreign enemy army, they normally just get shot Brian. Are you saying we should put them on trial when they get back? If they have committed a crime and it can be proven in a court of law, they get what they deserve.  However, we are discussing women and children here and we all know the attitude of Islamic State towards such people, now, don't we?  You and the rest of the mob have delighted in numerous posts, Freediver, telling us exactly that.  So why now they are in your opinion to be held accountable for what their menfolk did?  Is it because of your mob mentality, Islamophobia?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Get your flaming torches, nooses, hayforks, scythes ready, silly man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) The really young ones will be separated from the mothers, the jihadi bints. They will be the next Stolen Generation down the track - children of the enemies of Australia saved from their parents will come back and put their hands out for compo for being removed from a toxic environment. Not without precedent in the Australian legal context. The 16-18 year old cohort will energise all the little jihadis and will be a leavening agent for keepin' the Ummah dream alive in suburban Greenacre and Lakemba. By your idiotic reckoning, anyone with Australian citizenship who joined Hitler should have been repatriated and left alone until it was proven, in the fog of war, that they did anything like what they they joined up for. Bbwian, you are a despicable, morally bankrupt man and the only mitigating circumstance is that you are even more stupid and idiotic than you are morally corrupt.  You appear to have no moral compass at all, Soren.  Did you lose it in your European travels?  For someone who admonishes so many other posters for lacking any morality, you are the worst.  You attack people because of their ethnicity, their "race", their religion and lastly because of their circumstances.  You attack other posters simply for having a differing opinion to yours.  When you grow up and start to act like an adult it could be possible to have a conversation with you but until then, you will remain a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Thank you Mr Bbwian.

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Anytime, Soren.  When are you going to grow up, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Setanta wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:02pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do. What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Sure. If being Australian is wishing the demise and annihilation of it's democratic, secular way of life, it's tolerance and generally peaceful way of life and the installation of an Islamic theocracy is what you mean by Australian. Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to seek a similar situation in their hatred of Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, almost anybody that doesn't fit their narrow ideas of what constitutes an "Australian", Setanta.  Should they lose their citizenship as a consequence?  Afterall it is fair for one, it is fair for all, now isn't it?  ::) ::) Are they leaving Australia to join ISIS or similar groups? If they are, well don't let them back in.

Some do, some don't.  Their views remain traitorous, according to, no matter where they located but you remain silent on their views.  Interesting, hey?  Is because the mob all agree with their views?   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian.

I am a great deal more realistic than many of the views expressed here by the mob.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Setanta wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:18pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian. I have to wonder about the "nominally" and why it was used.

I used the word to differentiate Australians from the Muslim extremists we are discussing, Setanta.  Do you know any better way to describe non-Muslim Australians?  I don't.   ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:24pm:

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Ahh Jake Bilardi the aussie kid who became a muslim then joined the Islamic state.

He drove a truck loaded with explosives in a homicidal suicidal attack.

What other religions turn their followers into suicidal homicidal maniacs? When was the last time a jew-christian-hindu strapped on explosives to kill themselves and others? 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian. I am a great deal more realistic than many of the views expressed here by the mob.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

By who Brian? Why are you afraid to say?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:02pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:50pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:08pm: So how did these people get Australian citizenship? They tend to be granted Australian citizenship as part of their birthright.  Silly perhaps but when you are born in Australia you are automatically an Australian citizen.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Why be so facetious? Are you trying to say that they were born in Australia? A yes or no will do. What do you think, Bias?  They are as Australian as you are...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Sure. If being Australian is wishing the demise and annihilation of it's democratic, secular way of life, it's tolerance and generally peaceful way of life and the installation of an Islamic theocracy is what you mean by Australian. Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to seek a similar situation in their hatred of Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, almost anybody that doesn't fit their narrow ideas of what constitutes an "Australian", Setanta.  Should they lose their citizenship as a consequence?  Afterall it is fair for one, it is fair for all, now isn't it?  ::) ::) Are they leaving Australia to join ISIS or similar groups? If they are, well don't let them back in. Some do, some don't.  Their views remain traitorous, according to, no matter where they located but you remain silent on their views.  Interesting, hey?  Is because the mob all agree with their views?   ::) ::)

What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 6:43am:

What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS.

Most are here, within our borders, a minority are not, Freediver.  You maybe discussing ISIS but here, I am discussing the nominally Christian, majority white, non-Muslim population who support the right-wing views that we are assured are not that of the majority of Australians, no matter how you'd like them to be.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:43am: What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS. Most are here, within our borders,  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Who was hot for letting them all in, Bbwian?  You. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::) 

Deport people who stand up for Australia ("too right wing" all this cultural cohesion talk), but let in all the illegals from around the world, the more culturally incompatible the better, especially Muslims.

Now bring back the jihadi 'diversity is our strength' wives and children. We can't have enough culturally alien/hostile people in Australia.

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

Are you suggesting there is no serious threat?

Not much more than the threat of you going off half cocked and shooting someone

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:18pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian. I have to wonder about the "nominally" and why it was used. I used the word to differentiate Australians from the Muslim extremists we are discussing, Setanta.  Do you know any better way to describe non-Muslim Australians?  I don't.   ::) ::)

Why nominally Christian though? I know that doesn't fit me and you were responding to me. You know my view on religion.

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 5:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 4:50pm: freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:43am: What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS. Most are here, within our borders,  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Who was hot for letting them all in, Bbwian?  You. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)  Deport people who stand up for Australia ("too right wing" all this cultural cohesion talk), but let in all the illegals from around the world, the more culturally incompatible the better, especially Muslims. Now bring back the jihadi 'diversity is our strength' wives and children. We can't have enough culturally alien/hostile people in Australia.

you are more likely to be deported for your hate speech than any muslim born here.

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 5:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 4:50pm: freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:43am: What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS. Most are here, within our borders,  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Who was hot for letting them all in, Bbwian?  You. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) ::)  Deport people who stand up for Australia ("too right wing" all this cultural cohesion talk), but let in all the illegals from around the world, the more culturally incompatible the better, especially Muslims.

Where have I suggested that, Soren?  Stop erecting strawmen arguments which don't exist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Now bring back the jihadi 'diversity is our strength' wives and children. We can't have enough culturally alien/hostile people in Australia.

Soren as usual you are assuming guilt without anything but your prejudice to go on.  Why?  Were you abused on a similar basis as a child?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:49pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:18pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:41pm: Many, nominally, Christian Australians appear to Your delusional fantasies are evidence of nothing more than your delusional fantasies Brian. I have to wonder about the "nominally" and why it was used. I used the word to differentiate Australians from the Muslim extremists we are discussing, Setanta.  Do you know any better way to describe non-Muslim Australians?  I don't.   ::) ::) Why nominally Christian though? I know that doesn't fit me and you were responding to me. You know my view on religion.

*SIGH* I have attempted to explain why I used the term, Setanta.  You may not be a "nominally Christian" person but many other people in Australia are.  Stop thinking this is about you all the time.  You really must do something about your feelings of persecution.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 9:09pm: Are you suggesting there is no serious threat? Not much more than the threat of you going off half cocked and shooting someone

Can you explain why politicians from both sides, national security, and the women themselves support monitoring, if there is no significant threat?


freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:23pm: freediver wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:51am: Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack? serious threat  :D :D :D to much cool aid for you Are you suggesting there is no serious threat? Quote: "These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019. [quote]The federal government has not gone into detail about its plans but a spokesman for Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil said any decision is informed by national security advice.

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"The women have all offered their full cooperation with law enforcement authorities should they be repatriated here in Australia," he told the ABC. "They have also offered themselves to be subject to terrorism control orders by consent, which is unprecedented in Australia's history that these women would say we are ok for our every move to be monitored.

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The federal government has said Australian women and children expected to be repatriated from Syria will be closely monitored by national security agencies, as the Coalition argued the rescue mission is too dangerous. Labor frontbencher Tanya Plibersek said the government was following the advice of security agencies. "But I think for everybody involved, there will be an ongoing expectation that our security and intelligence agencies will stay in contact with them and monitor them."

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:43am: What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS. Most are here, within our borders, a minority are not, Freediver.  You maybe discussing ISIS but here, I am discussing the nominally Christian, majority white, non-Muslim population who support the right-wing views that we are assured are not that of the majority of Australians, no matter how you'd like them to be.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You say some incredibly stupid things Brian. A lot, in fact. That is up there with the best of them. Supporting right wing views is not the same as joining a foreign enemy in a time of war.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 8:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 4:50pm: freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 6:43am: What do you mean "no matter where they located"? What planet are you on Brian? We are talking about people who went to join ISIS. Most are here, within our borders, a minority are not, Freediver.  You maybe discussing ISIS but here, I am discussing the nominally Christian, majority white, non-Muslim population who support the right-wing views that we are assured are not that of the majority of Australians, no matter how you'd like them to be.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) You say some incredibly stupid things Brian. A lot, in fact. That is up there with the best of them. Supporting right wing views is not the same as joining a foreign enemy in a time of war.

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Boring as all hell, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Can you explain why politicians from both sides, national security, and the women themselves support monitoring, if there is no significant threat?

because they're politicians trying to win the vote of islamaphobes like you

John Smith wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:50pm: Can you explain why politicians from both sides, national security, and the women themselves support monitoring, if there is no significant threat? because they're politicians trying to win the vote of islamaphobes like you

Yeah, nah. They wanted to, supported and intended to breed Islamic warriors for IS. Let the "warriors" they bred stay and carry on. Australia is not IS, no home here for that ideology.

I know that puts me on the right to some and obviously a Nazi too, to some but I've always been left, just not so far left I'm around the bend.

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Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

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When I was 16-17 we used to drive out to the hills past Kalamunda and invade burnoffs of cleared trees bulldozed into long rows or sit on the beach tripping not planning world domination and breeding ideological warriors. I miss the '70's.

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 10:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:54pm: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/117/281/224/original/d5fceb0be508a3f6.jpg When I was 16-17 we used to drive out to the hills past Kalamunda and invade burnoffs of cleared trees bulldozed into long rows or sit on the beach tripping not planning world domination and breeding ideological warriors. I miss the '70's.

Peace man.

We are talking about the wives and children of ISIS fighters - not the ISIS fighters themselves.

In any other context the Islamophobes would gleefully wax lyrical about how these same poor women are forced to do whatever their men-folk tell them to - wear the hijab, don't work, forced marriage etc. Now when it comes to actually helping these women, they're all "oh, they brought it upon themselves" - even though it would be entirely consistent with their stereotypical narrative to argue that they were forced to travel to Syria by their husbands.

As for the children, no one on planet earth could possibly say they are anything other than victims in all this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

We are talking about the wives and children of ISIS fighters - not the ISIS fighters themselves. In any other context the Islamophobes would gleefully wax lyrical about how these same poor women are forced to do whatever their men-folk tell them to - wear the hijab, don't work, forced marriage etc. Now when it comes to actually helping these women, they're all "oh, they brought it upon themselves" - even though it would be entirely consistent with their stereotypical narrative to argue that they were forced to travel to Syria by their husbands. As for the children, no one on planet earth could possibly say they are anything other than victims in all this.

Don't be so predictably two faced and dishonest.

They lived in Australia. They went to Syria DESPITE warnings not to. They were not Shanghaied but went freely, willingly. They liked it while there, while IS was spreading, while the gruesome beheadings and rapes and enslavement a were happening.
They only want to come back because their IS dreams failed, because the Islamic slipper with the iron heel is on the other foot.

do you include the babies and toddlers that were born in refugee camps in that broad-stroke Frank?

At least some of the women were teenagers when they were married  - how much agency do you think they had in getting married (off?) to these brutes? How much less agency do you think they had in tagging along with their husbands to Syria? Come on Frank, you lot are all about muslim women's lack of agency when it suits your agenda. Your hypocrisy is so blatantly transparent.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:34am:

do you include the babies and toddlers that were born in refugee camps in that broad-stroke Frank? At least some of the women were teenagers when they were married  - how much agency do you think they had in getting married (off?) to these brutes? How much less agency do you think they had in tagging along with their husbands to Syria? Come on Frank, you lot are all about muslim women's lack of agency when it suits your agenda. Your hypocrisy is so blatantly transparent.

So they are victims? Of their Muslim husbands?
But not when hijabing up?

Should we remove their children and have a Muslim stolen generation in 20 years?

Why did Muslims flock to something as gruesome and evil as IS? Were they, like Gillard, just young and naive?

How do we, how can we, know that they have renounced IS  and all it's works and ways?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:34am:

do you include the babies and toddlers that were born in refugee camps in that broad-stroke Frank? At least some of the women were teenagers when they were married  - how much agency do you think they had in getting married (off?) to these brutes? How much less agency do you think they had in tagging along with their husbands to Syria? Come on Frank, you lot are all about muslim women's lack of agency when it suits your agenda. Your hypocrisy is so blatantly transparent.

They should be considered on a case by case basis, but any adult who went to join ISLAMIC state willingly should be treated as an enemy of Australia. Gandalf's sympathy for traitors is his MO.

If they are not victims, their children most definitely are. Not even you can deny that. And so what then? Remove the children and have a stolen generation?

We owe them a duty of care. The government says they will only follow security advise. And if the security advise says there is a way of repatriating them without increasing the threat, then, really, what besides sheer vindictiveness could be the objection?

issuevoter wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:43am:

They should be considered on a case by case basis

Thats the most coherent thing you've said - ever, I think. Genuine applause.

If only you ended your post there.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

We are talking about the wives and children of ISIS fighters - not the ISIS fighters themselves. In any other context the Islamophobes would gleefully wax lyrical about how these same poor women are forced to do whatever their men-folk tell them to - wear the hijab, don't work, forced marriage etc. Now when it comes to actually helping these women, they're all "oh, they brought it upon themselves" - even though it would be entirely consistent with their stereotypical narrative to argue that they were forced to travel to Syria by their husbands.

The muslim women have got no brains, otherwise they'd have nothing to do with maniac blokes with a twisted sense of self preservation and preserving Islam, those idiots ended up getting taken out, they got exactly what they deserved ... and if any more try it, they'll get the very same treatment

The women, just like their violent menfolk, are brain-dead, nothing between their ears, empty vacuum, Islam does that to them, it's a sad way to live



polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

As for the children, no one on planet earth could possibly say they are anything other than victims in all this.

If the children are victims, it's only because of the stupid actions of their parents, who have no idea of what personal responsibility is, and no sense of responsibility towards their children

We know the Labor party won't change their minds about letting them re-enter Australia, the Labor party is just as mad as they are, empty vacuums, I certainly have never voted for them, nor the Coalition, in fact I don't vote at all now, Australia has gone to the pack, evidenced by, not only this type of muslim thing, but by all the drug dealing and murdering that's going on, not to mention the massive debt that's accumulating from government spending, a tax cut won't fix anything, there's too many other things wrong, we get around with blinkers on, and muffs on our ears

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polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

If they are not victims, their children most definitely are. Not even you can deny that. And so what then? Remove the children and have a stolen generation? We owe them a duty of care. The government says they will only follow security advise. And if the security advise says there is a way of repatriating them without increasing the threat, then, really, what besides sheer vindictiveness could be the objection?

Why go to ISIS despite repeated warnings not to and have children there? What happened to parental duty of care?

They turned they back on Australia, their Western home country, aided with the avowed enemies of their country - but now they want back? Why do they want to come back? What changed? Can't assist in the rape and slaughter of ISIS any more? Why don't they go to Afganistan or Pakistan?  Those places are much closer to their Islamic hearts than infidel running dog Of thd Great Satan and Little Satan as nd they can bring up their kiddies much more Islamically there, untainted by evil infidel surroundings.




Memory aid:
ISIS systematically and violently targeted non-Sunni Syrians and Iraqis, expelling them from their homes, plundering their properties and businesses and claiming them as a war spoil (ghanima). Non-Muslim minorities were forced to pay a form of protection tax (jizya), or convert on threat of death. Thousands were taken hostage, ransomed, or executed, while others were enslaved.

ISIS attracted unprecedented numbers of foreigners who came to join the organisation or live in territory under its rule. Estimates place the total number at 40,000 people from 80 countries. The number of Australians who travelled to Iraq and Syria has been reported to be 230, although this figure includes people who joined other militant groups.

As a territorially expansive organisation, ISIS has sought to co-opt conflicts and grow subsidiaries in other parts of the world, including elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa, the Caucasus, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. Subsidiaries are sometimes existing insurgent groups ISIS subsumed, or splinter factions of them. Their relationships with ISIS vary in closeness, depending on the nature of ties between them.

Further reflecting the importance ISIS places on territory, subsidiaries are treated as, and organised by, provinces (wilayat). Because ISIS rejects the legitimacy of international borders, a province(wilayah)may stretch across several countries. There can also be multiple provinceswithin a country. ISIS has also referred toareas where it has neither territory nor an announced subsidiary as provinces. ISIS does so to maintain an appearance of expansion—as was the case with its April 2019 reference to ‘wilayah Turkey’, following the loss of its last territory. Expansion of territory has not, however, been ISIS’s sole focus.

ISIS had already set up an external operations section dedicated to organising terrorist attacks outside Syria and Iraq before it declared the establishment of its caliphate in mid-2014. The section was part of the external wing of ISIS’s security department. It was established as a means of exerting control over foreigners within ISIS who were agitating to carry out external attacks. The security department’s internal wing was already holding Western hostages.

In September 2014, the head of ISIS’s security department released a statement that was akin to a standing operational order and which has become one of its most enduring and important releases. Although framed as a response to growing international efforts against ISIS, the statement was driven by internal imperatives to co-opt the jihadist milieu and project an image of power and capability. The statement gave ISIS supporters around the world, particularly in the West, carte blanche sanction to carry out attacks in its name. Supporters were told they should attack wherever and whenever they could, without seeking further permission or instruction. Australia was among several countries singled out.

Almost immediately, ISIS supporters in a number of Western countries began to follow this guidance, carrying out what came to be termed ‘ISIS inspired’ or ‘lone-actor’ attacks.
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Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

but now they want back? Why do they want to come back? What changed?

Did you ever consider maybe, just maybe now they are free from the yoke of their brute husbands, and free from their ISIS overlords - only now they are free to choose where to live - and they choose their western homelands?

No of course you didn't.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2022 at 1:04pm: but now they want back? Why do they want to come back? What changed? Did you ever consider maybe, just maybe now they are free from the yoke of their brute husbands, and free from their ISIS overlords - only now they are free to choose where to live - and they choose their western homelands? No of course you didn't.

Bollocks. Eyewash.  They didn't travel with their husbands. Many travelled independently and then got married there.

And if they married here - you are saying Muslim men here are brutes oppressing their wives? And their wider Muslim communities allow and tolerate it?

Of course you are saying exactly that.

John Smith wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:50pm: Can you explain why politicians from both sides, national security, and the women themselves support monitoring, if there is no significant threat? because they're politicians trying to win the vote of islamaphobes like you

Do you think the women involved are also trying to win votes? What about the national security apparatus? How grand is this conspiracy you feel compelled to invoke in order to avoid acknowledging that people who join a foreign enemy terrorist organisation might in fact pose a threat, while also insisting it is nothing to do with Islam, which you are not defending?


polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

We are talking about the wives and children of ISIS fighters - not the ISIS fighters themselves. In any other context the Islamophobes would gleefully wax lyrical about how these same poor women are forced to do whatever their men-folk tell them to - wear the hijab, don't work, forced marriage etc. Now when it comes to actually helping these women, they're all "oh, they brought it upon themselves" - even though it would be entirely consistent with their stereotypical narrative to argue that they were forced to travel to Syria by their husbands.

Which narrative are you going with Gandalf?


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do you include the babies and toddlers that were born in refugee camps in that broad-stroke Frank?

Babies born in a foreign enemy country to foreign parents who are enemies of this country. There are millions to choose from Gandalf. Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.


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We owe them a duty of care. The government says they will only follow security advise. And if the security advise says there is a way of repatriating them without increasing the threat, then, really, what besides sheer vindictiveness could be the objection?

Time for some common sense Gandalf. Think for yourself. Is there a way to repatriate members of IS without increasing the threat?

Bringing these muslims back is like draining the dirty oil from your car engine then putting it back in the engine and calling it an oil change

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.

We simply can't go around declaring that Australian citizens that are problematic for us are no longer our problem - and that they need to be someone else's problem. It just doesn't work that way.


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Time for some common sense Gandalf. Think for yourself. Is there a way to repatriate members of IS without increasing the threat?

Common sense tells me I need to be well versed in all the facts to make such a judgement - which I am not. Neither, it turns out, are you.

Claiming with certainty that the threat level can only be increased with the repatriation of these people, when we have little idea of the actual facts surrounding these people - is nothing but an exercise in bigotry.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. .

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Tha Milat analogy is too stupid and/or shamelessly dishonest.

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

No dumping.

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. No dumping.

You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren.  Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. No dumping. You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren.  Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

THEY relinquished their responsibilities as citizens by disobeying Australian laws. They went to obey the laws of entities openly hostile to Australia.

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 5:15pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. No dumping. You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren.  Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. THEY relinquished their responsibilities as citizens by disobeying Australian laws. They went to obey the laws of entities openly hostile to Australia.

Doesn't work that way, Soren.  A non sequitur from you, as usual. You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. No dumping.

Yep.

Actions have consequences.

These idiots can GGF.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

They are only citizens when there are do-gooders like you who are willing to ignore their criminal actions ... otherwise they don't give a toss about Australia, they're just taking advantage of govt handouts so they, or their children, can try their stupid little jaunt again some day. If you think they care about Western life, you're an idiot

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

You mean 'are' Australian citizens?


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it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.


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We simply can't go around declaring that Australian citizens that are problematic for us are no longer our problem

Sure we can, if they leave the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation.


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Common sense tells me I need to be well versed in all the facts to make such a judgement - which I am not. Neither, it turns out, are you.

Nice dodge Gandalf. What about if the fact is that they voluntarily left the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation? Is that enough facts, or do you need to wait until after they come home and start stabbing random people on the street?

The reason Gandalf wants Australian muzlum terrorists back from the Middle East is plainly obvious. But for any relatively new forum members, a little back story might be helpful.

When Islamists were butchering people in Africa and the Middle East, Gandalf went looking for something more than his pathetic little existence in this country. It just wasn't spiritual enough for him. Against a panorama of muzlum beheadings  of non-believers in the Middle East and Indonesia, not to mention the atrocities carried out in non-Islamic countries, Gandalf chose Islam.

When criticised for Islamic proselytising, Gandalf stated here on Ozpol that Australia is already a part of Islam, and when asked to clarify which was the higher authority, our constitution or the Koran, he refused to answer. So, the right of his people to return to Australia is not because they are Australian, it is because Australia is part of Islam.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:11am:

So, the right of his people to return to Australia is not because they are Australian, it is because Australia is part of Islam.

LOL

He suffers from "Self-inflicted delusion" syndrome

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 7:38am:

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say? most of whom were not even conceived at the time.


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Sure we can, if they leave the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation.

No, you can't FD. What a laughable proposition. By your logic, Afghanistan can just wave off hordes of their own terrorists en-route to Australia and absolve themselves of all responsibility for them. Provided of course they leave "voluntarily" - right? They can even use the defence "oh, but we told them not to!"


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Nice dodge Gandalf. What about if the fact is that they voluntarily left the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation? Is that enough facts, or do you need to wait until after they come home and start stabbing random people on the street?

caveats are obviously needed on the word "voluntarily" - with a "more information needed" label attached. Especially for those unborn fetuses. Facts FD. They actually matter.

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Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say?

Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) They are only citizens when there are do-gooders like you who are willing to ignore their criminal actions ... otherwise they don't give a toss about Australia, they're just taking advantage of govt handouts so they, or their children, can try their stupid little jaunt again some day. If you think they care about Western life, you're an idiot

They are Australian citizens.  Some people think more of that than you.  The legal system believes it is irrevocable.   Consider that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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The legal system believes it is irrevocable.

Crap.

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The legal system believes it is irrevocable.

:D :D
"The legal system believes"   ;D ;D



Have you met the legal system, Bbwian? 


Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports?

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

Quote: Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say? Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.

Nor are they capable of making decisions like voluntarily leaving one country for another - as you claimed.

Also, they do have rights to citizenship when they are born. And they have been born FD.

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:18am: Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship. Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens. They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility. One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either. Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us. . Complete bollocks, on stilts. We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to. Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren.  They and their children are citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing. They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went. Yet they went. No dumping.

Listen to yourself Frank, you are so transparently silly.

Imagine if a bunch of Islamists from some shithole middle east country turned up on our shores and cause us mayhem. Said shithole country declares "We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went."

Are you going to be consistent and agree that this country bears absolutely no responsibility for these citizens of theirs? Are you going to argue that they are now the problem of any other country except the one they actually came from and are still citizens of?

Frank wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports?

Their passports are immaterial, Soren.  They remain citizens, no matter what they have or haven't done with their passports.  The legal system views them as citizens.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports?

He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship.

We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses?

So what have they done with their passports?
Destroyed them.


Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else.

LOL are you seriously suggesting they could come back home no problem - if only they had kept their passports?

tsk tsk Frank, rolls eyes

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 10:23am:

LOL are you seriously suggesting they could come back home no problem - if only they had kept their passports? tsk tsk Frank, rolls eyes

Why? Do you know of any law that prevents an Australian passport holder from entering Australia?



Anyway, joining the Islamic STATE should mean forfeiting their Australian citizenship, regardless if it was their only one before or one of a dual citizenship. They joined an enemy state of Australia. Their Australian citizenship should be stripped from them for that.  That the Islamic STATE collapsed is no reason to restore it to them.

Frank wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 4:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:53pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses? So what have they done with their passports? Destroyed them. Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else.

The government has in the past refused to issue new ones, Soren.  Not because of who they are but because of their circumstance.  They feared them, so they refused them entry to Australia.  They did not however, revoke their citizenship.  Why?  Because it was complicated, too complicated for numpties like you to figure it out.  Why don't you answer Gandalf's question?  Is it really too hard to figure out an answer?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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Anyway, joining the Islamic STATE should mean forfeiting their Australian citizenship, regardless if it was their only one before or one of a dual citizenship. They joined an enemy state of Australia. Their Australian citizenship should be stripped from them for that.  That the Islamic STATE collapsed is no reason to restore it to them.

We don't make people stateless for a very good reason - namely there is no just grounds for us to expect another country to be burdened the cost of looking after them. The fact that they may be criminals (as you seem determined to insist they are) - makes this even more the case: whoever takes them has to bear the costs of:
- institutionalising them
- rehabilitating them
- protecting their own community from them
- (most likely) putting them on welfare if they ever get free of incarceration
- medical costs etc etc


If ISIS still existed and it was possible for them to stay there, it would be a completely different story. However that "homeland" is now the sovereign land of another country - I think Syria or Turkey. They don't want them either - they don't deserve them (they were fighting ISIS just FYI), and we have no right to dump these people on them.

Who are we to tell another country that our undesirables - and all the associated costs - are now their problem?

How is it fair? You certainly wouldn't expect us to host someone else's undesirables ("go back to where you came from" - you would screech) - so why should it ok for someone else?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 1:19pm:

Quote: Anyway, joining the Islamic STATE should mean forfeiting their Australian citizenship, regardless if it was their only one before or one of a dual citizenship. They joined an enemy state of Australia. Their Australian citizenship should be stripped from them for that.  That the Islamic STATE collapsed is no reason to restore it to them. We don't make people stateless for a very good reason - namely there is no just grounds for us to expect another country to be burdened the cost of looking after them. The fact that they may be criminals (as you seem determined to insist they are) - makes this even more the case: whoever takes them has to bear the costs of: - institutionalising them - rehabilitating them - protecting their own community from them - (most likely) putting them on welfare if they ever get free of incarceration - medical costs etc etc If ISIS still existed and it was possible for them to stay there, it would be a completely different story. However that "homeland" is now the sovereign land of another country - I think Syria or Turkey. They don't want them either - they don't deserve them (they were fighting ISIS just FYI), and we have no right to dump these people on them. Who are we to tell another country that our undesirables - and all the associated costs - are now their problem? How is it fair? You certainly wouldn't expect us to host someone else's undesirables ("go back to where you came from" - you would screech) - so why should it ok for someone else?

We dumped nobody.  These jihadis and their bints dumped Australia. 


Let some fundamentalist Muslim country take them in.  Afghanistan, say. They'd fit right in. Or Yemen or Pakistan.

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

We dumped nobody.  These jihadis and their bints dumped Australia.

Thats not the fault of Syria or Turkey - who now have to pay the price of having them in their country.

You haven't answered my question - why should we expect another country - who have nothing to do with them - take responsibility for them?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:53pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses? So what have they done with their passports? Destroyed them. Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else. The government has in the past refused to issue new ones, Soren.  Not because of who they are but because of their circumstance.  They feared them, so they refused them entry to Australia.  They did not however, revoke their citizenship.  Why?  Because it was complicated, too complicated for numpties like you to figure it out.  Why don't you answer Gandalf's question?  Is it really too hard to figure out an answer?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Operation of the law.

Law.

Operation of.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 1:40pm: We dumped nobody.  These jihadis and their bints dumped Australia.  Thats not the fault of Syria or Turkey - who now have to pay the price of having them in their country. You haven't answered my question - why should we expect another country - who have nothing to do with them - take responsibility for them?

Why should we take responsibility for people who repudiated us and sided with our sworn enemies??

It IS the Syrians' and Turks' and assorted other Muslim's responsibility - THEY  allowed the Islamic State to happen on their territories.  Muslims, nobody else, are responsible for ISIS, Al Qaida, Hamas, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and all the rest. Islam is the ONLY force that makes all these places, and many besides, utter shiteholes. Islam fuqqs everything up.
There is no place where Islam is not a malignant influence.  It's a cancer on every place where it is allowed to take root. Has been for centuries.  Nothing, absolutely nothing good has come from Islam for 800 years. Nothing.
Only shite, blood, hate.

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:53pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses? So what have they done with their passports? Destroyed them. Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else. The government has in the past refused to issue new ones, Soren.  Not because of who they are but because of their circumstance.  They feared them, so they refused them entry to Australia.  They did not however, revoke their citizenship.  Why?  Because it was complicated, too complicated for numpties like you to figure it out.  Why don't you answer Gandalf's question?  Is it really too hard to figure out an answer?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Operation of the law. Law. Operation of.

They found that they had to pass new legislation which covered the revocation of a person's citizenship that it could only apply to those that held duel citizenship.  Even then it was difficult apparently.  Australia did not have the right to abandon it's citizens to null-citizenship.  This has been explained several times already, Soren are you really that thick that you cannot understand what has been said?  Do I have to repeat it again in words of less than two syllables?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 1:40pm: We dumped nobody.  These jihadis and their bints dumped Australia.  Thats not the fault of Syria or Turkey - who now have to pay the price of having them in their country. You haven't answered my question - why should we expect another country - who have nothing to do with them - take responsibility for them?

An Islamic country should take them. They are muslim and incompatible with Australian culture and law, they have demonstrated that by wearing those black tents and going to Syria without using their two brains cells to work out the consequences, or seeking legal advise before they went

We should never have let muslims into Australia, they don't get on with anyone, they have their own stupid ancient codes that are foreign to modern Western civilization, we'll never get used to them, just like we'll never get used to African darkies, etc. Australia is going to the dogs with all these varied miscreants, they don't appreciate anything, and don't understand anything Australian



 

If you really want to understand Muzlums in Australia, ask a secular or Christian Lebanese.

So why should another country be responsible for Australia's rejects?


Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

It IS the Syrians' and Turks' and assorted other Muslim's responsibility - THEY  allowed th Islamic Srate to happen on their territories.

Well thats an answer I guess. A stupid answer, but still an answer. And thats the best I can hope for.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:03am:

So why should another country be responsible for Australia's rejects? Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:36pm: It IS the Syrians' and Turks' and assorted other Muslim's responsibility - THEY  allowed th Islamic Srate to happen on their territories.  Well thats an answer I guess. A stupid answer, but still an answer. And thats the best I can hope for.

THEY rejected Australia for Islamic State.  Let another Islamic state have them.

Australia is not a hotel that you check in and out of.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 10:16pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:53pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses? So what have they done with their passports? Destroyed them. Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else. The government has in the past refused to issue new ones, Soren.  Not because of who they are but because of their circumstance.  They feared them, so they refused them entry to Australia.  They did not however, revoke their citizenship.  Why?  Because it was complicated, too complicated for numpties like you to figure it out.  Why don't you answer Gandalf's question?  Is it really too hard to figure out an answer?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Operation of the law. Law. Operation of. They found that they had to pass new legislation which covered the revocation of a person's citizenship that it could only apply to those that held duel citizenship.  Even then it was difficult apparently.  Australia did not have the right to abandon it's citizens to null-citizenship.  This has been explained several times already, Soren are you really that thick that you cannot understand what has been said?  Do I have to repeat it again in words of less than two syllables?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Don't worry, cockwomble, Albo will bring them back because he is, like you, an ass.

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 10:16pm: Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:53pm: Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:33pm: Quote: The legal system believes it is irrevocable. :D :D "The legal system believes"   ;D ;D Have you met the legal system, Bbwian?  Those bints - what have they done with their Australian passports? He is right in the case where the person doesn't hold dual citizenship. We can't, under Australian law, make people stateless. And while they remain Australian citizens, they are our responsibility. Why should we expect them to be someone elses? So what have they done with their passports? Destroyed them. Why don't they apply for new ones. Put in the paperwork, like everyone else. The government has in the past refused to issue new ones, Soren.  Not because of who they are but because of their circumstance.  They feared them, so they refused them entry to Australia.  They did not however, revoke their citizenship.  Why?  Because it was complicated, too complicated for numpties like you to figure it out.  Why don't you answer Gandalf's question?  Is it really too hard to figure out an answer?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Operation of the law. Law. Operation of. They found that they had to pass new legislation which covered the revocation of a person's citizenship that it could only apply to those that held duel citizenship.  Even then it was difficult apparently.  Australia did not have the right to abandon it's citizens to null-citizenship.  This has been explained several times already, Soren are you really that thick that you cannot understand what has been said?  Do I have to repeat it again in words of less than two syllables?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Don't worry, cockwomble, Albo will bring them back because he is, like you, an ass.

Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 9:55am:

Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Look Brain,
they married into ISIS - our enemies - and now
when it all went bad they want us to rescue them.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 10:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:55am: Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Look Brain, they married into ISIS - our enemies - and now when it all went bad they want us to rescue them.   ::)

They are still Australian citizens, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:10am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:55am: Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Look Brain, they married into ISIS - our enemies - and now when it all went bad they want us to rescue them.   ::) They are still Australian citizens, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian - it was and still is - a war.
It's the war on terror.
No Australian PM has ever denounced the Bush Doctrine -
it's still in force.

Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdvm6h8WKg

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:10am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:55am: Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Look Brain, they married into ISIS - our enemies - and now when it all went bad they want us to rescue them.   ::) They are still Australian citizens, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

They shouldn't be. They abandoned Australia for its enemies.
Australia did not dump them, THEY dumped Australia. Let  the Syrians deal with them.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 11:11am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:10am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:55am: Coming from you that must constitute a compliment, Soren.  He is acting on the best advice from the Public Service,  he is not abandoning Australian Citizens.  He is acting responsibly.  Unlike you and the "cockwombles" from the Tory party.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Look Brain, they married into ISIS - our enemies - and now when it all went bad they want us to rescue them.   ::) They are still Australian citizens, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Brian - it was and still is - a war. It's the war on terror. No Australian PM has ever denounced the Bush Doctrine - it's still in force. Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists

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Boring and simplistic.  Run along, Bobby, stop wasting our time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)