The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

List the things the media will blame for the Republican win on Tuesday:

Racism
Russia
Trump
Transphobia




ANYTHING BUT Dem policies.

For World Peace, I wish the Republicans well.
For the selfish Democrats who thrive on persecuted victimhood to get ahead and probably claim that Russia started it all as well.
You'll hang yourself like a victim indeed, but you'll not take the lives of billions with you for your Nuke War.

...meanwhile Peccary squeals "But what about Trump!?" >:(

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

List the things the media will blame for the Republican win on Tuesday: ANYTHING BUT Dem policies.

https://i.postimg.cc/B6VR2dvP/Its-The-Economy-STUPID.jpg

Over 80% of all registered voters polled say the Economy and Fuel Prices will determine their vote.

It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US.

The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic.

"Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way".

That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way.

Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah.

Ahh yes Meister Eccy.
The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees) have been trying to use the old Grey South Confederates (aka Rebels) cliche since Trump came out from nowhere... er, well - came out from the Red East Republican Party matter of factly.

They raced around pulling down old Confederate Statues, etc - showing their reason and justification for 'being' who they are today.
No such thing as a Confederate. No matter how much they pay people to Flag the Rebel Flag and KKK Flag at Republican rallies.

The Grey South is long gone. Cain sley Abel remember and Abel died for his 'Domestic' crime (against Black).
Now the Blue North is on its own and will be held accountable for its 'International' crime (against Yellow) - by hanging itself for lack of someone to fight directly.

Desperately they search for that which they fought for - the victimhood of being attacked (by Rebels).
As much as they try to pin the Confederacy past on the Red East Republicans - the Reds are not taking the bait.
As much as the Blue North has used the Media to blatantly make those 'Big Lies' because 'it can' (rather than should) - the People are waking up since last Election, waking up against this Woke evil.

Time for a Sacrifice to move to the next stage on the Global Plan.
Time to sacrifice the Blue North Democrats in America.
Time to sacrifice the French to the Moslems (UK already stepped back ;)).
Time to make a 'Republican Movement' sacrifice here in Australia to the Aborigines and crucify them on the Southern Cross. ;)

Sadly for Biden's 'BUILDING BACK' (the past), the World needs to move FORWARD.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:06am:

Ahh yes Meister Eccy. The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees).

You mean New Englanders from the US northeast.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:09am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:06am: Ahh yes Meister Eccy. The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees). You mean New Englanders from the US northeast.

No I mean the Blue North that stood for the ...Blue North against the Grey South in the Civil War.

...never trust anything 'created' by War. ;)

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

Maybe but it looks too close to call, depends on the turn out.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:09am: Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:06am: Ahh yes Meister Eccy. The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees). You mean New Englanders from the US northeast. No I mean the Blue North that stood for the ...Blue North against the Grey South in the Civil War. ...never trust anything 'created' by War. ;)

You should mean the New Englanders.

The socio-cultural divide between north and south in north America occurred centuries before the civil war.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah.

Quote:

It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative

It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016.

Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming.

One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:16am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:11am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:09am: Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:06am: Ahh yes Meister Eccy. The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees). You mean New Englanders from the US northeast. No I mean the Blue North that stood for the ...Blue North against the Grey South in the Civil War. ...never trust anything 'created' by War. ;) You should mean the New Englanders. The socio-cultural divide between north and south in north America occurred centuries before the civil war.

Yes. It was the Blue North and their Yellow Economics.
v
The Grey South and their Black Economics.

Sadly Australia wasn't really up and running then, so America wasn't really big enough for the both of them.

Hopefully once the Blue North hangs itself like a typical victimhood person does.
The White Supremacists will form the White Party to fill the void in opposition to the Red Republicans.

Cherokee way was to have a White Peace Party and Red War Party.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:16am: Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:11am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:09am: Jasin wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:06am: Ahh yes Meister Eccy. The Blue North Democrats (aka Yankees). You mean New Englanders from the US northeast. No I mean the Blue North that stood for the ...Blue North against the Grey South in the Civil War. ...never trust anything 'created' by War. ;) You should mean the New Englanders. The socio-cultural divide between north and south in north America occurred centuries before the civil war. Yes. It was the Blue North and their Yellow Economics. v The Grey South and their Black Economics.

It was New England's Puritan Calvinist ethos, with its emphasis on hard work and education vs the southern sense of itself as an aristocracy with its slavery and its Scots-Irish religious with their deemphasis on education in favour of divine revelation. That and their fierce sense of independence and self-reliance.

And the Yugoslavian War was actually started by some Serbian/Croats getting drunk on Australian beer at a Checkpoint.
This is a well known truth told by both sides.
But you know there was way more to it.  ;)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible.

Roe Vs Wade is simmering in the background,a short time back the polls indicated a Dem win based on the Roe Vs wade decision, now its close in most seats a 3 or 4 % margin, however I believe the Republicans are in for a few shocks, seats they expect to win easily may not go their way simply because they think that the decision has faded away from peoples minds.

A recent Harvard poll indicates that 40% of Gen Z (18 to 29 yr olds) will definitely cast a vote in the mid terms, up from a lowly 12% back in 2018. The main reason given, they dont want another Trump

Its going to be interesting to see if the Dems can buck the mid term trends.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible.

Yes, that may have an effect.
I think biden will lose some seats.

I think the US is in real trouble for a good leader.
Not Trump, not Biden, not kamala Harris.
Pence?

We had a run of Leaders that were voted out.
It was bad for the country

https://youtu.be/cCEjz3UGAoI

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 3:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible. Yes, that may have an effect. I think biden will lose some seats. I think the US is in real trouble for a good leader. Not Trump, not Biden, not kamala Harris. Pence? We had a run of Leaders that were voted out. It was bad for the country

They say not another Trump term.
But I think the vast majority certainly don't want another Biden term more so.

scope wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible. Roe Vs Wade is simmering in the background,a short time back the polls indicated a Dem win based on the Roe Vs wade decision, now its close in most seats a 3 or 4 % margin, however I believe the Republicans are in for a few shocks, seats they expect to win easily may not go their way simply because they think that the decision has faded away from peoples minds. A recent Harvard poll indicates that 40% of Gen Z (18 to 29 yr olds) will definitely cast a vote in the mid terms, up from a lowly 12% back in 2018. The main reason given, they dont want another Trump Its going to be interesting to see if the Dems can buck the mid term trends.

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a short time back the polls indicated a Dem win based on the Roe Vs wade decision, now its close in most seats a 3 or 4 % margin,

In the elections a few months back this was included in the projected results of small wins to the republicans when the real result of the election turned out to be 20 points out of kilter with the polls.

This 20 points are still not included in the polls - they have no idea what is is or where it came from, if it happened again it will be a blood bath.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 3:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible. Yes, that may have an effect. I think biden will lose some seats. I think the US is in real trouble for a good leader. Not Trump, not Biden, not kamala Harris. Pence? We had a run of Leaders that were voted out. It was bad for the country They say not another Trump term. But I think the vast majority certainly don't want another Biden term more so.

Let's put it to the test.

I hope the bloated orange alleged child rapist runs in 2024.

The look on his puffy face when he loses again (by 10,000,000 votes this time) will be priceless.

Don't hold your breath Republicans.
The Media will go all out again to push the Biden mirage.
They're even going to make Focus 2 with Margot Robbie and Will Smith to help the manipulation of minds along in favour of the International Terrorist Democrats.

Maybe Musk will help the Republicans with the Internet side of things? :-?

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

Lol   ;D

You sure got that one wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I was expecting a red wave too, but it sure didn't turn out that way.

The Dems have actually flipped a senate seat - Fetterman has defeated fake Dr. Oz.

And, Democrat Josh Shapiro defeated far-right Republican Doug Mastriano in the Pennsylvania governor’s race.

The big loser tonight?  Trump.

Most of the candidates he endorsed are doing quite badly, whereas the ones who kept their distance from him have done very well.

It's been a clear message from American voters that they're tired of Trump's bullshit.

He'll be annihilated in 2024 if he runs.

Let's hope he does.

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

This aged well, Boris!

Aussie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 5:42pm:

Boris wrote on Nov 5th, 2022 at 7:30am: The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week This aged well, Boris!

;D

Quote:

The Red Wave ?

The puce ripple

The pink trickle   ;D

Joe Biden defies history as Democrats dramatically outperform expectations in 2022 midterm elections

The US midterm elections are almost always a slap in the face of the president in power.

But in the face of a struggling economy, dire approval ratings and the slimmest of legislative majorities, Joe Biden has defied history with today's election results.

With a handful of Senate races and dozens of House of Representative races yet to be called, it appears possible that Biden's Democratic Party may have gained ground today.

Republicans needed to pick up a single seat to take control of the Senate. But at the count at the time of publishing, they are likelier to lose one.

And they needed to pick up five seats in the House of Representatives.

At the moment they have picked up seven seats, and lost two. There are 73 yet to be called.

Joe Biden is the Third Most INCOMPETENT President ever

Nov 1, 2022


Not one thing has improved under Biden:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qk1w1FxeVM

I think Republicans will get the House, senate may stay as it is.

What a disaster for Trump   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXEDJKP6wZ0

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

Quote: The Red Wave ? The puce ripple

Now now, Dnarever, that's rude. We wouldn't want our American friends to feel offended, now would we? Ah, the noble Grand Old Party. Or as Mr Trump calls it, puce-stained panties.

He loves a jolly old wheeze, no? The most honest prez maybe since George Washington. I mean, everybody's saying it, ya?

Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term.

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 4:56am:

Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term.

Oh? Think he'll get impeached, do you?

Like, twice?

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 4:56am:

Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term.

Given that US midterms have historically almost always, with very few exceptions, wiped out the President's party, this result is an embarrassing collapse for the Republicans.

Their likely control of the house will not be by a thumping majority which will reduce their confidence in proposing legislation.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 5:42am:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:56am: Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term. Oh? Think he'll get impeached, do you? Like, twice?

He will get impeached if his own mob don't run him out of town first, just look at his handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal and the southern border. Hunter is going down.

I found Nancy but she doesn't want to talk about it.
;D


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/politics/democrats-lose-big-pelosi-doesn-t-want-to-talk-about-it/ar-AA13T6So?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbf404870bf64314bc6f035412002cf4

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 4:56am:

Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term.

There should have been a red wave, a tsunami, not one of the weakest performances in decades by the out of power party against a first-term President's party.

Yes, the Republicans are still projected to take the house, but by such a small margin compared to the expectations that they might have to be more moderate otherwise it will cost them even more in 2024.

It's noteworthy and especially for the Trump-endorsed candidates, hilarious.

I watched Michael Moore and Bill Maher play good cop, bad cop on the 'red wave'.

Moore was sunny-side-up on the outcome predicting democrats would come out in force, while Maher played the prophet of doom, predicting the end of democracy by a red wave.

Given they're good friends, they helped workshop the sh!t out of those young democrat-leaning eligible voters to get out there and vote.

It was a youth wave that prevented a red wave.

As for southern white trash, Georgians didn't fail to impress. Despite their endless hard-on for Jesus, nearly 49% of them still voted for Herschell Walker.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 9:33am:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:56am: Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term. There should have been a red wave, a tsunami, not one of the weakest performances in decades by the out of power party against a first-term President's party. Yes, the Republicans are still projected to take the house, but by such a small margin compared to the expectations that they might have to be more moderate otherwise it will cost them even more in 2024. It's noteworthy and especially for the Trump-endorsed candidates, hilarious.

Even with the Trump hate vote inspired by the media, Nancy's endless witch hunt and Biden's republican hate adresses to the nation the democrats still went down.

Trump is a legend no matter if he runs in 2024 or not, he has exposed the rats for what they are and if wasn't for the China-pox and the BLM riots he would still be there.

Dopey Joe, his little brown girl, Nancy and the media FFS.

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Even with the Trump hate vote inspired by the media, Nancy's endless witch hunt and Biden's republican hate adresses to the nation the democrats still went down. Trump is a legend no matter if he runs in 2024 or not, he has exposed the rats for what they are and if wasn't for the China-pox and the BLM riots he would still be there. Dopey Joe, his little brown girl, Nancy and the media FFS.

You should move to Alabama.

Americans have sent a signal to the Republican party that they're done with Trump.

The youth vote held back the 'red wave', and that youth vote is only going to grow in the next 2 years.

I'd bet no one is more aware of this than the Republican leadership.

Johnnie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 9:33am: Johnnie wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:56am: Hilarious, because the democrats haven't lost as badly as they thought they would they and their media are calling it a win, Trump's team look set to take the house with the senate up for grabs, anyone seen Nancy! Dopey will not even last a term. There should have been a red wave, a tsunami, not one of the weakest performances in decades by the out of power party against a first-term President's party. Yes, the Republicans are still projected to take the house, but by such a small margin compared to the expectations that they might have to be more moderate otherwise it will cost them even more in 2024. It's noteworthy and especially for the Trump-endorsed candidates, hilarious. Even with the Trump hate vote inspired by the media, Nancy's endless witch hunt and Biden's republican hate adresses to the nation the democrats still went down. Trump is a legend no matter if he runs in 2024 or not, he has exposed the rats for what they are and if wasn't for the China-pox and the BLM riots he would still be there. Dopey Joe, his little brown girl, Nancy and the media FFS.

"his little brown girl"

I mean, I was going to reply to your points, but the fact you need to resort to that sort of racism shows that you don't deserve any respect whatsoever.

Enjoy your echo chamber where that sort of thing is acceptable, and go bugger yourself.

No wonder you love Trump.

Trump was the biggest loser in this election.

The candidates he endorsed performed poorly, and DeSantis did exceptionally well.

The fake doctor - Mehmet Cengiz Öz - was defeated  :)

There was no red wave - merely a pink trickle.

The Dems even managed to flip a senate seat - NOBODY saw that coming.

The (sane) American people have sent a clear message to the Republican Party: "We're tired of Trump's bullshit".

If the GOP gets behind DeSantis for the 2024 election, they'll take back the White House.

If they get behind Trump, they'll lose bigly.  He's yesterday's news.

Exit polls.

It was a Red Wave for white voters. This is what happens when you lose your country due to immigration. You no longer have self-determination.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhIhtRqWQAANwxO?.jpg

No orange wave either.

Trump's losing endorsed Senate candidates

Mehmet Oz—defeated in Pennsylvania by John Fetterman.
Don Bolduc—defeated in New Hampshire by Sen. Maggie Hassan.
Leora Levy—defeated in Connecticut by Richard Blumenthal.
Gerald Malloy—defeated in Vermont by Peter Welch.


Trump's losing endorsed House of Representatives candidates

Bo Hines—defeated in North Carolina's District 13 by Wiley Nickel.
Steve Chabot—defeated in Ohio's District 1 by Greg Landsman.
Madison Gesiotto Gilbert—defeated in Ohio's District 13 by Emilia Sykes.
John Gibbs—defeated in Michigan District 3 by Hillary Scholten.
Yesli Vega—defeated in Virginia's District 7 by Abigail Spanberger.
Karoline Leavitt—defeated in New Hampshire's District 1 by Rep. Chris Pappas.
J.R. Majewski—defeated in Ohio's District 9 by Marcy Kaptur.
Sandy Smith—defeated in North Carolina's District 1 by Don Davis.
Robert Burns—defeated in New Hampshire's District 2 by Ann McLane Kuster.
Sarah Palin—defeated in Alaska's At-Large District 2 by Mary Petlota.
Jim Bognet—defeated in Pennsylvania's District 8 by Matt Cartwright.

Trump's losing endorsed gubernatorial candidates

Tudor Dixon—lost to Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.
Doug Mastriano—lost to Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania.
Lee Zeldin—lost to Governor Kathy Hochul in New York.
Dan Cox—lost to Wes Moore in Maryland.
Geoff Diehl—lost to Maura Healey in Massachusetts.
Tim Michels—lost to Governor Tony Evers in Wisconsin.
Darren Bailey—lost to Governor J.B. Pritzker in Illinois.
Scott Jensen—lost in Minnesota to Governor Tim Walz.
Mark Ronchetti—lost in New Mexico to Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
Derek Schmidt—lost in Kansas to Governor Laura Kelly.

Trump's losing state executive endorsements

Kim Crockett—defeated in the Minnesota secretary of state election by Steve Simon.
Kristina Karamo—defeated in the Michigan secretary of state election by Jocelyn Benson.

:)

Exit polls.

It was a Red Wave for white voters. This is what happens when you lose your country due to immigration. You no longer have self-determination.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhIhtRqWQAANwxO?.jpg

Diversity is where countries go to die.

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

How stupid must you feel right now  ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 11:03am:

Exit polls. It was a Red Wave for white voters. This is what happens when you lose your country due to immigration. You no longer have self-determination. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhIhtRqWQAANwxO?.jpg

Things Republicans will blame for their poor showing on Tuesday right Frank?

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

List the things the media will blame for the Republican win on Tuesday: Racism Russia Trump Transphobia ANYTHING BUT Dem policies.

Claims Democrats will say racism lost them the election

Uses racism to help him cope with Republicans underperforming.

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

Exit polls. It was a Red Wave for white voters. This is what happens when you lose your country due to immigration. You no longer have self-determination. [] width=400 height=400]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhIhtRqWQAANwxO?.jpg[] Diversity is where countries go to die.

Aren't you a foreigner?

‘Trumpty Dumpty’: Former president ridiculed by his own favourite newspaper

One columnist on Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post said Mr Trump was 'perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history’

Donald Trump has been ridiculed by his favourite newspaper, which portrayed him as “Trumpty Dumpty”.

The Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post, which backed Mr Trump for re-election in 2020, eviscerated him following the lacklustre performance by Republicans in the midterm elections.

In a play on the nursery rhyme “Humpty Dumpty” it depicted Mr Trump sitting on a wall under the headline “Trumpty Dumpty”.

It added: “Don [who couldn’t build a wall...] had a great fall. Can all the GOPs men put the party back together again?”

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, which is also part of Mr Murdoch’s media empire, ran an editorial headlined: “Trump is the Republican Party’s biggest loser”.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible.

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Quote:

The Journal’s editorial mentioned each of those names and more, saying that Trump had “a perfect record of electoral defeat” since his victory over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.watoday.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-fires-back-after-sharp-attacks-from-rupert-murdoch-s-news-outlets-20221111-p5bxe0.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed


Quote:

Podhoretz wrote that Trump was “the political equivalent of a can of [insect repellent] Raid” and “perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history”.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 8:15pm: Exit polls. It was a Red Wave for white voters. This is what happens when you lose your country due to immigration. You no longer have self-determination. [] width=400 height=400]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhIhtRqWQAANwxO?.jpg[] Diversity is where countries go to die. Aren't you a foreigner?

He's certainly not an Aussie

Mark Kelly holds on to Arizona seat in critical win for Democrats

"Democrat Mark Kelly has won re-election in Arizona, defeating his far-right challenger Blake Masters in a critical race that puts the Democrats one victory away from securing control of the US Senate."

ANOTHER Trump-endorsed candidate loses  :)

What happened to the red wave?  I'm curious.

Oh damn!  It just gets better.

Adrian Fontes is elected Arizona secretary of state, beating election denier Finchem

Democrat Adrian Fontes, who previously ran elections for Arizona's largest county, has been narrowly elected to oversee voting in the entire state as secretary of state, according to a race call by The Associated Press.

Fontes defeated Republican Mark Finchem, a far-right candidate with ties to the extremist group the Oath Keepers, who was at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

ANOTHER loss for Trump.

The red wave is looking like a pink trickle now.

This midterm election has turned out to be the worst performance by an opposition party in US history.

And it's because of one "man":

https://wp.inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/SEI_133020096.jpg

Roe v Wade played a part. That young demographic will only grow.

2024 is not guaranteed for the Repugs even if Desantis runs.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

Roe v Wade played a part. That young demographic will only grow. 2024 is not guaranteed for the Repugs even if Desantis runs.

True.

I was convinced DeSanctimonious would win in 2024, but now I'm not so sure.

It looks like the US is coming to its senses.

One thing is for sure, Trump - if he runs -  won't win in 2024.

His reign is over.

Trump is probably still favourite to stand for President in the 2024 election.

In the Rethuglican primaries the Trump base will very likely dominate. If they try to depose Trump it is almost certain that he will burn the place down.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 5:13pm:

Trump is probably still favourite to stand for President in the 2024 election. In the Rethuglican primaries the Trump base will very likely dominate. If they try to depose Trump it is almost certain that he will burn the place down.

I think you're wrong, but I hope you're right.

DeSantis has a real chance - Trump has none (in the presidential election).

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

Oh dear, Boris... didn't happen.    Sorry.

At least now Trump is a spent force, and there's no way the GOP should
back him in 2024.  As much as I hate to say it, DeSantis is their best bet.

Support among Republican primary voters for failed President Trump’s 2024
presidential bid has fallen by nine percentage points since August, a new
Morning Consult poll finds—while Ron DeSantis’ popularity has grown—as
many Republicans blame Trump and question his presidential run after a “red
wave” failed to materialise in the midterm elections.


Quote:

“This was the end of the Trump era and the dawn of the DeSantis era,” a Republican operative close to Trump and his team told ABC News Wednesday after the midterms. “Like every other Trump catastrophe, he did this to himself with stupid and reckless decisions.”

—Forbes, 10 November.

Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

Post 1 : Wrong.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

List the things the media will blame for the Republican win on Tuesday: Racism Russia Trump Transphobia ANYTHING BUT Dem policies.

Post 2 : Wrong.

But the Republicans are Blaming Trump.

Jasin wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 3:30am:

For World Peace, I wish the Republicans well. For the selfish Democrats who thrive on persecuted victimhood to get ahead and probably claim that Russia started it all as well. You'll hang yourself like a victim indeed, but you'll not take the lives of billions with you for your Nuke War. ...meanwhile Peccary squeals "But what about Trump!?" >:(

Post 3: Just JaSin dribbling on his keyboard again.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2022 at 3:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 8:48am: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative resentment building in the US bible belt and throughout the southern US. The socio-cultural engineering experimentation over the last few years has more than alarmed this demographic - they're convinced it's satanic. "Ah gaht mah mahnd made up, an' mah heart is raht, an' ahm goin' with Jesus awl tha way". That's more than an affirmation from this demographic - it's a mortal threat to those who stand in their way. Their Jesus is not a peacenik turning the other cheek, he's a warrior messiah. Quote: It's hard to overestimate the rising tide of the ultra-religious, Christian fundamentalist conservative It is also difficult to measure the pro Roe v Wade Woman's rights vote. This is a group many of which normally don't vote who will this time. This is a direct parallel to the Trump Base who voted for the first time in 2016. Both a dynamic that the polls likely will not measure till after the election. Several recent election votes fell victim to this. One state was polling republicans by 4% the actual vote went Dems by 16% A 20% swing against the republicans that they didn't see coming. One scenario could see this applying across the board, probably not the most likely outcome but it is possible. Yes, that may have an effect. I think biden will lose some seats. I think the US is in real trouble for a good leader. Not Trump, not Biden, not kamala Harris. Pence? We had a run of Leaders that were voted out. It was bad for the country

Quote:

Pence?

No - Pence cucked himself to Trump for 4 years and forty percent of the base still want to hang him. Most rethuglicans would vote democrat before Pence.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 8:24pm:

...But the Republicans are Blaming Trump.

And rightly so...

On election day, the Republicans suffered widespread humiliation. The much-vaunted
“red wave” emerged like a hoax, closer to a red ripple. Although the full results are
still being counted, we know this much at least: that across all states and timezones,
Republicans under-performed. This morning, the stench of failure hangs over Donald
Trump and his party.

With Trump’s specter hovering over the ballot box like a malignant ghost, democracy
and abortion proved to be more resilient issues than predicted. Crime and inflation
remained relevant, but not determinative. Suburban women went Democratic.

Trump is scared. Hours before the polls closed, he lashed out at DeSantis, and
signalled that he was privy to the governor’s secrets – “things about him that won’t
be very flattering”. Of course, after Stormy Daniels, there is little that voters would
find shocking...  LOL

Right now, “Ron DeSanctimonious” occupies rent-free space in Trump’s head. It’s
game on for the Republican presidential nod. In the end, both men may emerge bloodied.    

Suddenly, Biden isn’t looking so old.

—Excerpted from The Guardian Australia, 12 November.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 9:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:24pm: ...But the Republicans are Blaming Trump. And rightly so... On election day, the Republicans suffered widespread humiliation. The much-vaunted “red wave” emerged like a hoax, closer to a red ripple. Although the full results are still being counted, we know this much at least: that across all states and timezones, Republicans under-performed. This morning, the stench of failure hangs over Donald Trump and his party. With Trump’s specter hovering over the ballot box like a malignant ghost, democracy and abortion proved to be more resilient issues than predicted. Crime and inflation remained relevant, but not determinative. Suburban women went Democratic. Trump is scared. Hours before the polls closed, he lashed out at DeSantis, and signalled that he was privy to the governor’s secrets – “things about him that won’t be very flattering”. Of course, after Stormy Daniels, there is little that voters would find shocking...  LOL Right now, “Ron DeSanctimonious” occupies rent-free space in Trump’s head. It’s game on for the Republican presidential nod. In the end, both men may emerge bloodied.     Suddenly, Biden isn’t looking so old. —Excerpted from The Guardian Australia, 12 November.

Trump has never been popular among republicans. The issue is that the base will continues to vote for him which means that he doesn't need the standard republican politicians to win the nomination - as in 2016.

Problem is the same as we seen in this last election. The Base can elect Trump candidates in a republican run off election but the form does not hold up in a full election. The result is that Trump can win nomination weather the republican politicians like him or not but he likely cannot win a full election.

He lost the peoples vote in 2016 by 3 million votes and then in 2020 he lost it by 8 million votes, You would expect that this number can only get worse for Donald.

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Eat a dick you kangaroo fascist.


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Boris wrote on Nov 5^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

The Republicans will demolish the Democrats next week

If being demolished means retaining the senate and defeating most of Trump's high profile candidates, then yes - the Republicans have demolished the Democrats   ;D

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

They also look like gaining a senate seat.

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Maybe since Roosevelt in the early 1900's.

It’s been odd listening to Fox News lately. They now seem to blame youth voters for the mid term results. Going so far as to say they have been brainwashed. If anything youth voters seem to recognise many of them will be in debt, they’ve seen two “once in a lifetime” recessions. When they look at Republicans they see they are not offering solutions, they are offering hate, division, conspiracy and authoritarianism.

Why would they vote Republican?

The Republican Party has lost its way. Which is a shame. The party of Lincoln, Grant and Eisenhower.

What a waste.

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

Raven wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:09am:

It’s been odd listening to Fox News lately. They now seem to blame youth voters for the mid term results. Going so far as to say they have been brainwashed. If anything youth voters seem to recognise many of them will be in debt, they’ve seen two “once in a lifetime” recessions. When they look at Republicans they see they are not offering solutions, they are offering hate, division, conspiracy and authoritarianism. Why would they vote Republican? The Republican Party has lost its way. Which is a shame. The party of Lincoln, Grant and Eisenhower. What a waste.

Youth voters would be more inclined to vote for populist socialism and soft sentencing

real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024.

he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division.

an alpha male we can all rally around.

he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell.


god bless him

Raven wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:09am:

The Republican Party has lost its way. Which is a shame. The party of Lincoln, Grant and Eisenhower.

This one is the usual schtick trotted out when mourning the death of the original Republican party.

Lincoln and Grant would have been Democrats by today's standards.

Lincoln received gushing letters from Karl Marx, himself, no less.

It's been 160 years since Lincoln's Republican Paty, 150 years since Grant's and 70 years since Eisenhower's.

Blame Goldwater, and then the politicisation of evangelical Christians of the south.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him

Given up on Trump, hey?    ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:14am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 5:09am: real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him Given up on Trump, hey?    ;D

not at all

trump is worth studying

he can teach us the powers of persuasion
how to start another venture following failure
the art of self amusement
how to engage an audience
stand up comedy.

one should study trump for a few hours.

what one should not do is study him for 6 years.

one would then be neglecting ones elderly mother
ones neighbours
ones children
ones business.

it would be tragic to see your life wasted (6 years of it or maybe 10 % of your time on earth) obsessing over someone elses leading role in their own movie.

you want to be the star in your own movie.

not a mere lowly chode who lives life by running a commentary on anothers life and has no life of their own.

how mediocre that would be
chode purgatory.
so insignificant that you define yourself by that which you despise.

what you obsess about, you will become  :'( :'( :'(

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him

Only if he can get past the Swamp and scare-crow Nancy Pelosi ... but she might lose the Speakers chair, so that only leaves the Swamp, and we all know how powerful they are

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 5:09am: real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him Only if he can get past the Swamp and scare-crow Nancy Pelosi ... but she might lose the Speakers chair, so that only leaves the Swamp, and we all know how powerful they are

Trump V2 or Trump lite is the last thing they need, what they need to do is to go back to being republicans. De Scaremonger is not the answer.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 5:09am: real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him Only if he can get past the Swamp and scare-crow Nancy Pelosi ... but she might lose the Speakers chair, so that only leaves the Swamp, and we all know how powerful they are

Yes the Trump swamp will be a problem for the next Republican selected.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 7:14am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 5:09am: real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him Given up on Trump, hey?    ;D not at all trump is worth studying he can teach us the powers of persuasion

Like, how to persuade more people to vote for Clinton and Biden?   ;D

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

real americans will vote for governor de santis is record numbers in 2024. he will emerge from the ashes like a pheonix and demolish the party of woke ideology, inflation, identity politics, lawlessness and division. an alpha male we can all rally around. he will give the old buck a presidential pardon , finish the wall , and take his place in the white house where he will chuck out all the adult daipers and get the cleaners to remove that old person smell. god bless him

I know, right? And didn't you say the same for Mr Trump, devout Dear Leader and Alpha stallion?

After losing the house and senate, getting booted out in one term and now losing his big red wave, he's lying low in Mar a Lago, throwing his dinner at Fox News.

So I'm curious. Should we have ignored your predictions last time, or should we do it now?

Lol   ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FI268HuVcAIuxt1.jpg

Text "LOSER" to 70789

It was close

Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4%

Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6%

Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4% Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6%

Near enough isn't good enough.

The revolting little neo-Nazi with the pixie haircut lost.

End of story   :)

Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4% Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6%

Looks like the Swamp slipped in a few extra votes for Hobbs

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

Who knows. If you want Australia to have voluntary voting then speak to your local MP or start a grass roots campaign. If enough people support you then you can change it.

Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4% Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6%

I agree, Matty, but let's get to the bottom of this CoNuNdRuM.

Who lost?

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Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:47pm:

Boris wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 9:03pm: It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4% Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6% Looks like the Swamp slipped in a few extra votes for Hobbs

Na the Swamp feeds into the lake as you would expect.

https://i.imgflip.com/70uo78.jpg

Raven wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 11:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 2:56am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here? Who knows. If you want Australia to have voluntary voting then speak to your local MP or start a grass roots campaign. If enough people support you then you can change it.

I'll start with you, which one do you want for Australia, voluntary or compulsory voting?

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US.

For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect.

I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away

Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have

You say there shouldn't be compulsory voting, but that the government was obliged to hold a referendum?

Compulsory for the politicians to act, but not for you?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 2:56am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here? The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US. For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:32am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 2:56am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here? The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US. For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting. That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

There's no evidence of widespread voter cheating in the US that would have changed any results.

None.  Zip.  Zero.

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:32am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 2:56am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here? The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US. For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting. That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

The strategy is aimed squarely at the fact that voting is optional. Convincing people to not vote and doing things to make voting more difficult or to prevent voting is a strategy that cannot work if voting is mandatory.

Yes they could still find other ways to cheat but this is one of the primary ways in which they do currently cheat, the other is Jerrymandering. Do you know that there was one state where the Republican Democrat vote was 50/50 but this result means that the Rethuglicans win about 14 house seats and the Democrats win around 4?


Do you know that there are about 235 house seats and that from this number there are about 30 that will depend on the result off an election to change all the others are that dominant that they cannot swing based on boundaries.  All the house seats that the Republicans look like picking up were the result of changed boundaries (Jerrymander).

Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes      50.4% Kari Lake     R 1,247,859 votes      49.6%

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhkepkdWIAA0CyP.jpg

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:10am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens. Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes.

Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:45am: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:10am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens. Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes. Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs

"Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy."

LOL, don't kid yourself

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway

If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

He is right that is how it works ?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

Raven wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 11:20pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 2:56am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:16am: Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:35am: Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades. Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think? Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them. If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here? Who knows. If you want Australia to have voluntary voting then speak to your local MP or start a grass roots campaign. If enough people support you then you can change it. I'll start with you, which one do you want for Australia, voluntary or compulsory voting?

Raven doesn’t care if it’s voluntary or compulsory. He will still vote.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have.

If you won't travel a mere 38km in order to vote once every three years,
then it's obvious you're selfishly happy to avoid undertaking what amounts
to a civic duty.  That you apparently care so little for democracy in Australia
is unacceptable, but I'm betting you'll be the first person to whinge when
the party you support is voted out.

And consider this:  In the US, eligible voter turnout is around 66% while in
Australia it's around 92% (with compulsory voting).  So which electoral
process is more likely to support—at the very least—the ideals of democracy?

As you choose not to vote in elections, you've renounced any legitimate right
to criticize the governing party; either Liberal or Labor.

The government has also made other things compulsory, without any plebiscite.
Do you also object to those?  Driver license, passport, Medicare, or Tax File number
for example.

And when you're next picked up by the police for driving without a license, are
you seriously going to tell the police you don't choose to have one, because
it was too difficult to obtain it, or it was unreasonable for the government to
make its  possession compulsory?

(BTW, given any reasonable grounds, you can apply to the
AEC for postal vote form.        It's not rocket surgery FFS.)

https://youtu.be/OQuwD23kBDY

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:29pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:45am: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:10am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens. Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes. Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy. No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs "Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy." LOL, don't kid yourself .

Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2022C00074


(15)  An elector commits an offence if the elector fails to vote at an election.

Penalty:  1 penalty unit.

        (15A)  Strict liability applies to an offence against subsection (15).

Note:          For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.

        (15B)  Subsection (15) does not apply if the elector has a valid and sufficient reason for the failure.

Note:          A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (15B) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 9:54pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:29pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:45am: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:10am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens. Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes. Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy. No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs "Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy." LOL, don't kid yourself . Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2022C00074

1918 is the year the Act first passed.

Compulsory voting wasn't introduced (by amendment) until 1924.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper) He is right that is how it works ?

Well there you go, need I say any more?

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:13pm:

If you won't travel a mere 38km in order to vote once every three years, then it's obvious you're selfishly happy to avoid undertaking what amounts to a civic duty.  That you apparently care so little for democracy in Australia is unacceptable, but I'm betting you'll be the first person to whinge when the party you support is voted out.

I'm not in the city, I'm in the bush and that 38ks is 76k round trip on a winding hilly narrow backroad, laden with roos and wombats with a one in 10 chance of hitting one if traveling at the speed limit. A roo jumped out and side-swiped my near new Kia 5 months ago, I estimate the damage to be around $4,000, I was doing 78 in a 100k zone, it all happened in a blink of an eye. Now I do only 60 in that 100k zone. It's a warning to anyone traveling in central NSW. There's road kill everywhere, the roos need culling

The AEC's limit is 8ks for voting, and why they don't make more of an effort to bring polling booths closer to voters in this day and age is pure neglect of their CIVIC DUTY, if you want to talk about civic duty ... or do you think it doesn't have to work both ways?

Postal voting is the same, 76k round trip to the nearest PO mailing box. It has to be done twice for a postal vote, that's 152ks total. You can do a postal vote for me if you like, but you'll have to pay for the petrol, I won't be



AusGeoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:13pm:

And consider this:  In the US, eligible voter turnout is around 66% while in Australia it's around 92% (with compulsory voting).  So which electoral process is more likely to support—at the very least—the ideals of democracy?

Only 72.85% in Lingari ....


"Lingari in the Northern Territory topped the list of lowest turnout, with just 72.85 per cent of voters casting a ballot in this area. The electorate includes the towns of Alice Springs and Katherine, with about 19,000 of the 70,000 residents not voting.

Some of the residents use mobile polling, with teams from the Australian Electoral Commission generally visiting around 400 communities located far from polling places mostly in NT, Western Australia and Queensland, to record people’s votes. These teams often access these locations using 4WDs, helicopters and light aircraft."


Voters in the US are not are not criminalized if they don't vote ... So why are we criminalized? You don't know do you?

this is as close as the trump supporters got to a red wave.. here they're all on their way to one of his rallies

https://cv-images.clickhole.com/originals/rt0du6zc4oqnfqtn4849.jpg

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

.........I'm not in the city, I'm in the bush and that 38ks is 76k round trip on a winding hilly narrow backroad, laden with roos and wombats with a one in 10 chance of hitting one if traveling at the speed limit. A roo jumped out and side-swiped my near new Kia 5 months ago, I estimate the damage to be around $4,000, I was doing 78 in a 100k zone, it all happened in a blink of an eye. Now I do only 60 in that 100k zone. It's a warning to anyone traveling in central NSW. There's road kill everywhere, the roos need culling The AEC's limit is 8ks for voting, and why they don't make more of an effort to bring polling booths closer to voters in this day and age is pure neglect of their CIVIC DUTY, if you want to talk about civic duty ... or do you think it doesn't have to work both ways? Postal voting is the same, 76k round trip to the nearest PO mailing box. It has to be done twice for a postal vote, that's 152ks total. You can do a postal vote for me if you like, but you'll have to pay for the petrol, I won't be.........

So you don't go into town at all for anything?   ::)

John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper) except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win

Again, if I remember correctly, you said that in a later post, not your first one

Actually, I've been trying to work out how low the Lib's and Lab's primary vote would have to go before all their preference votes would be ineffective for them to form government. What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%, the electorate would start to question the validity and integrity of preferential votes, because it would mean the major parties are getting more preference votes than primary votes. So would a party be prevented from forming government if they got more preference votes than primary votes .... something to think about!

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 17th, 2022 at 2:04pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper) except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win Again, if I remember correctly, you said that in a later post, not your first one Actually, I've been trying to work out how low the Lib's and Lab's primary vote would have to go before all their preference votes would be ineffective for them to form government. What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%, the electorate would start to question the validity and integrity of preferential votes, because it would mean the major parties are getting more preference votes than primary votes. So would a party be prevented from forming government if they got more preference votes than primary votes .... something to think about!

so what if I said it later. when I made my first post I didn't feel I needed to explain every intricate details of how our electoral system works just to make a comment on a chat board. I, wrongfully it seems,  assumed that grown adults who had been voting for decades had a clue about how it worked. Especially given that they're on a political forum.  It turned out I was wrong.

Where the red wave was reflected in votes counted was in Florida where Ron DeSantis won 59.4 per cent of the vote. This was not only because he has proved to be an excellent governor, but also because he wisely closed the door to fraud in ‘mail-in’ voting and ballot harvesting, while cleansing the roll of the dead and requiring voter ID.

Rather than pointing to systemic fraud and gerrymandering as reasons for the failure of the red wave being reflected in seats won, the usual suspects, and not only Democrats, the never-Trumpers, RINOs, the mainstream and social media, but also panicking Republican grandees, joined together in blaming Donald Trump.

They have foolishly made him the ubiquitous and principal enemy of the people, just as Emmanuel Goldstein was in the Oceania of Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four.

The mainstream media might as well host a daily two-minute Trump hate session at 11am similar to Goldstein’s.

The fact is that as in 2016, when the lead contenders were Donald Trump and the excellent Ted Cruz, the Republicans have a veritable stable of quality choices for worthy future US presidents and thereby leaders of the free world.

The Democrats, now a neo-Marxist rabble, have none.
David Flint

No fraud - Republicans win.



Australians should not feign superiority. Our electoral system is more open to fraud than most comparable countries.

In 1983, the Hawke government legislated to make it ‘easier to vote’. So instead of voting in a nearby subdivisional polling station, I found I could vote in about 40 places, all without ID or any controls. Even when controls became easily available through the internet, they were never installed. Then in the middle of the 2010 election, the High Court moved against John Howard’s blocking of the usual tsunami of fraudulent, unverifiable enrolments in the week after the calling of an election. Declaring it unconstitutional, the Court waited until near Christmas to publish their unconvincing reasons and reveal their decision was taken by the narrowest majority. Meanwhile, GetUp! boasted it had 100,000 additional names inserted onto the rolls.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/11/red-wave-was-no-trickle-it-was-real/

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 17th, 2022 at 2:04pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper) except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win Again, if I remember correctly, you said that in a later post, not your first one Actually, I've been trying to work out how low the Lib's and Lab's primary vote would have to go before all their preference votes would be ineffective for them to form government. What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%, the electorate would start to question the validity and integrity of preferential votes, because it would mean the major parties are getting more preference votes than primary votes. So would a party be prevented from forming government if they got more preference votes than primary votes .... something to think about!

Quote:

What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%

This would most likely mean that one of the minority party's primary vote would have risen to the point where they could form government.

John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 5:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2022 at 5:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 17th, 2022 at 2:04pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:35pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 2:39pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:49pm: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote? You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper) except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win Again, if I remember correctly, you said that in a later post, not your first one Actually, I've been trying to work out how low the Lib's and Lab's primary vote would have to go before all their preference votes would be ineffective for them to form government. What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%, the electorate would start to question the validity and integrity of preferential votes, because it would mean the major parties are getting more preference votes than primary votes. So would a party be prevented from forming government if they got more preference votes than primary votes .... something to think about! so what if I said it later. when I made my first post I didn't feel I needed to explain every intricate details of how our electoral system works just to make a comment on a chat board. I, wrongfully it seems,  assumed that grown adults who had been voting for decades had a clue about how it worked. Especially given that they're on a political forum.  It turned out I was wrong.

Tell us another one

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

Where the red wave was reflected in votes counted was in Florida where Ron DeSantis won 59.4 per cent of the vote. This was not only because he has proved to be an excellent governor, but also because he wisely closed the door to fraud in ‘mail-in’ voting and ballot harvesting, while cleansing the roll of the dead and requiring voter ID

Very wise moves by DeSantis, they're exactly what the voters would have wanted too

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

What I've deduced so far is that if their primary vote dropped to say 25%

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 6:16pm:

This would most likely mean that one of the minority party's primary vote would have risen to the point where they could form government.

That would be great, finally the major parties monopoly on politics would be gone and they won't be major party any longer - can't wait!

All votes should hold 100% of their value ... as it is now, mine get discarded and thrown in the bin, because I voted for the "wrong" candidate, my whole life that's been happening whenever I've voted. So I don't vote anymore, for me it's waste of time and expense

I'm looking forward to the time when my vote counts for something, then I'll start voting againi

Wife beater and walking advertisement for helmets - Herschel Walker - has been defeated in the Georgia runoff by incumbent Raphael Warnock.

The Senate is now 51 to 49, in the Dem's favour.

"Red wave"   ;D

TRUMP

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:48pm:

TRUMP

Yes.

Another Trump-endorsed candidate lost   ;D

Who cares if Trump wins or loses.
He had nothing to lose in the first place.
What matters is that he makes you froth at the mouth.  ;D

Peccary: The Forum's biggest liar, fraud and soccer b*itch.

99% of the vote counted now, and Warnock is 85,000 votes ahead of the wife beater/werewolf.

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff

And you're a homo-erotic deviant and stalker of members on this board with your chum John Smith and Doxxer Monk.

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:57pm:

Who cares if Trump wins or loses. He had nothing to lose in the first place. What matters is that he makes you froth at the mouth.  ;D Peccary: The Forum's biggest liar, fraud and soccer b*itch.

I see. So America's leadership doesn't really matter. What's important is to rile up Greggery.

Does this adequately encapsulate your social-political world view, JaSin?

I'm curious.

The fear here is that the red wave was squashed but it may be temporary as the situation driving the red wave still persists but was overridden by the crazies threat to democracy. It is possible that if the Republicans do not go with Trump the red wave could surge in 2024 with no crazy leader to frighten the voters they could easily vote on the economic lies from the right..

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 2:57pm: Who cares if Trump wins or loses. He had nothing to lose in the first place. What matters is that he makes you froth at the mouth.  ;D Peccary: The Forum's biggest liar, fraud and soccer b*itch. I see. So America's leadership doesn't really matter. What's important is to rile up Greggery. Does this adequately encapsulate your social-political world view, JaSin? I'm curious.

So you're a Peccary Sock now Karnal. You're about as original as he is.

Warnock is 90,000 ahead now   :)

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff

Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking.

I would advise that you don't send Joe your co-ordinates.

Nobody said that Trump took the nuclear codes except as a joke. However he did take nuclear secrets and they did recover some of those in the legal search.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. I would advise that you don't send Joe your co-ordinates. Nobody said that Trump took the nuclear codes except as a joke. However he did take nuclear secrets and they did recover some of those in the legal search.

Are you confirming the codes are safely in the demented ones hands? crikey now i am scared. Yes the news of Trump stealing those codes was the joke of the century but you lot ran with it. 8-)

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking.

Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty.

Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated.

Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch.

Changing the subject won't change that fact   :)

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff

But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot.

Dopey Joe.
No Show Joe.
Joe the most Incompetent President ever.
Hospital Orderly Joe.
Doctor Biden and his wife Joe.
Biden and his wife Kamala
Chasing butterflies Biden.


He has to be one of the most pathetic Presidential displays ever! To think he apparently represents the 'INSTITUTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM' of American Politics.
Compare that with the fact that Trump came in from outside of Politics, as all 'amateurs' can do (or all Amateur Astronomers are frauds too ;)) and didn't really have to live up to the ideal of the 'institution'.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, ...

He's off somewhere celebrating the Democratic Party's win in Georgia.

"Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock will win Georgia’s Senate runoff, CNN projects, giving Democrats an additional seat in the Senate next year. With his defeat of Republican challenger Herschel Walker, Democrats will control 51 seats to the GOP’s 49."

https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--h165GXy0--/f_auto,t_content-image-mobile@1/v1612350881/legacygeneric/biden-debate-ryan.gif

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe...

Why, he's in the Oval Office, Matty. He's sitting behind the Resolute Desk, administering the rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.

You know, all those rules Mr Trump didn't have time for during his four years of executive time, and now wants to terminate if he loses an erection.

You?

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 4:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe... Why, he's in the Oval Office, Matty. He's sitting behind the Resolute Desk, administering the rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. You know, all those rules Mr Trump didn't have time for during his four years of executive time, and now wants to terminate if he loses an erection. You?

“Different people say different things but as I understand it, if you’re the president of the United States, you can terminate the constitution just by saying it’s terminated, even by thinking about it.

“There doesn’t have to be a process. There can be a process, but there doesn’t have to be.

“You’re the president – you make that decision.”

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 5:20pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 4:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot. Dopey Joe. No Show Joe. Joe the most Incompetent President ever. Hospital Orderly Joe. Doctor Biden and his wife Joe. Biden and his wife Kamala Chasing butterflies Biden. He has to be one of the most pathetic Presidential displays ever! To think he apparently represents the 'INSTITUTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM' of American Politics. Compare that with the fact that Trump came in from outside of Politics, as all 'amateurs' can do (or all Amateur Astronomers are frauds too ;)) and didn't really have to live up to the ideal of the 'institution'.

Apparently and according to the latest media Joe is dead so at
least there might be a bit of a shake up now, thank fkk.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 5:20pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 4:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot. Dopey Joe. No Show Joe. Joe the most Incompetent President ever. Hospital Orderly Joe. Doctor Biden and his wife Joe. Biden and his wife Kamala Chasing butterflies Biden. He has to be one of the most pathetic Presidential displays ever! To think he apparently represents the 'INSTITUTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM' of American Politics. Compare that with the fact that Trump came in from outside of Politics, as all 'amateurs' can do (or all Amateur Astronomers are frauds too ;)) and didn't really have to live up to the ideal of the 'institution'. Apparently and according to the latest media Joe is dead ...

And he's still more popular than Failed Forty Five   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 7:42pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:30pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 5:20pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 4:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot. Dopey Joe. No Show Joe. Joe the most Incompetent President ever. Hospital Orderly Joe. Doctor Biden and his wife Joe. Biden and his wife Kamala Chasing butterflies Biden. He has to be one of the most pathetic Presidential displays ever! To think he apparently represents the 'INSTITUTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM' of American Politics. Compare that with the fact that Trump came in from outside of Politics, as all 'amateurs' can do (or all Amateur Astronomers are frauds too ;)) and didn't really have to live up to the ideal of the 'institution'. Apparently and according to the latest media Joe is dead ... And he's still more popular than Failed Forty Five   ;D

Some get more popular after they are dead but Biden will just be dead and unless anyone can prove otherwise Biden is dead.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:30pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 5:20pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 4:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 3:26pm: Just checking in to see if anyone knows the whereabouts of the nuclear codes that were supposed to be at Don's house? I hope the demented hair sniffer doesn't have them, BTW anyone seen him lately, he might have fallen off his perch since he is very old frail and sickly looking. Changing the subject won't do you any good, Matty. Another high profile Trump-backed candidate has been defeated. Failed Forty Five really does have the Sidam Touch. Changing the subject won't change that fact   :) https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/georgia/senate-runoff But where is Joe, he seems to go off the radar often and if he does have those nuclear codes and not Don then anything could happen, we could all die because he is a fkkn demented idiot. Dopey Joe. No Show Joe. Joe the most Incompetent President ever. Hospital Orderly Joe. Doctor Biden and his wife Joe. Biden and his wife Kamala Chasing butterflies Biden. He has to be one of the most pathetic Presidential displays ever! To think he apparently represents the 'INSTITUTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM' of American Politics. Compare that with the fact that Trump came in from outside of Politics, as all 'amateurs' can do (or all Amateur Astronomers are frauds too ;)) and didn't really have to live up to the ideal of the 'institution'. Apparently and according to the latest media Joe is dead ... And he's still more popular than Failed Forty Five   ;D Some get more popular after they are dead but Biden will just be dead and unless anyone can prove otherwise Biden is dead.

And he's still more popular than Failed Forty Five   ;D